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On August 15 2016 11:06 Leporello wrote:Sigh. I hope we're delaying giving Donald Trump classified information for as long as possible. Every day, it seems, we're hearing about a new staffer or accomplice having direct ties to Putin and/or the Kremlin. Unbelievable. It just gets worse and worse. What a surprise that Donald Trump has a weird, previously unexplained distaste for NATO. Trump probably couldn't even name half the countries in Eastern Europe, but for "some reason", he has strong opinions about NATO. What a coincidence. But what does it matter? Donald Trump could invite Vladimir Putin over to desecrate on Ronald Reagan's corpse, and I'm sure the Trump-voters would find it great.
The Kremlin isn't in the Ukraine and Trump's not an agent of Putin. He's had two wives from Eastern Europe. He's had the same ideas about other countries taking advantage of US defense for 30 years.
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On August 15 2016 11:06 Leporello wrote:Sigh. I hope we're delaying giving Donald Trump classified information for as long as possible. Every day, it seems, we're hearing about a new staffer or accomplice having direct ties to Putin and/or the Kremlin. Unbelievable. It just gets worse and worse. What a surprise that Donald Trump has a weird, previously unexplained distaste for NATO. Trump probably couldn't even name half the countries in Eastern Europe, but for "some reason", he has strong opinions about NATO. What a coincidence. But what does it matter? Donald Trump could invite Vladimir Putin over to desecrate on Ronald Reagan's corpse, and I'm sure the Trump-voters would find it great.
Obviously clasified information should be given to Hillary who knows how to keep them safe.
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On August 15 2016 12:16 Nevuk wrote:
How did I only just now see this :
Jesus Christ, this guy really represents everything that is stupid in this world..
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If you really want to go digging into his account, you can probably find twits from around 2012 when he was a prominent part of the birther movement.
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On August 15 2016 14:04 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2016 11:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2016 09:14 biology]major wrote:On August 15 2016 09:06 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 09:05 zlefin wrote:On August 15 2016 09:03 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 08:57 zlefin wrote:
nuked -> No, it's not, which means you either didn't read the question properly, or don't know what you're talking about remotely, given how complex the sourcing of social issues is.
you also wouldn't get banned for being generically not pc.
so your statement is simply ignorant nonsense.
and if you think you know the answer, you should post it. Its not complex at all. Does telling someone hes ignorant make you feel above him? I can respect that. I like the word. if you have the answer, provide it; otherwise you got nothing. I have the answer but i would get banned if i provided it. Sheriff of milwaukee already answered this question. Single parent households, terrible parenting, terrible schools and overall lack of personal accountability in the community. As to why black people commit crime disproportionately, it's a cultural thing that many of them are trapped in. Hard to escape though, if you have no dad, and no adequate schooling. Just because a black sheriff said it doesn't mean it wasn't racist, stupid, and wrong. Single Parent households, terrible schools have little to nothing to do with black people's culture, that's a result of white culture. Remember it was white culture that trafficked them to the US, stripped them of their language and culture, then killed them if they learned to read, write, swim, etc... It was white culture that segregated them, put them in the crappiest places they could (by legally and illegally forbidding them from living places, and confiscating their land), As for crime statistics, you have to be pretty gawddamn dense to think they paint an accurate picture of who's committing crimes It would lead you to think things like rich white people don't do cocaine, when we know they consume more than their fair share. Like the video I posted earlier where he says "black people don't carry spring assisted knives more than white people", but if you looked at BPD's booking sheets you'd swear they all do. That's because if you have a white guy walking down the street and a black guy walking down the street, both with a knife, only one of them is going to get stopped unconstitutionally, violated again when he is searched, then if he stands up for his rights and tries to inform the officer he's violating the law, he get's an asswhoopin and arrested for resisting arrest (for the knife the cop didn't know about until violating his constitutional rights 2x). If by the off chance the cop does stop and arrest the white guy, it's far more likely the cop gets a reprimand and the guy's case gets dismissed. Meanwhile the black guy is looking at a longer sentence and no defender to point out his rights were violated multiple times invalidating the arrest. White culture destroyed black culture, murdered anyone who tried to bring it back, segregated black people, abused them, stole from them, denied them their rights, imprisoned their fathers, still segregating their education, and as I showed in Milwaukee, still segregating cities, racist policing, and so much more crap... It's certainly a culture issue, but it's white culture that's the problem. Release those white guilt chains brother.
I'm black yo. And honestly no one wants anyone to feel guilty about it (unless that's the only thing that will motivate someone to stand up for what is right), just want people to stop saying obnoxiously ignorant and racist things like "racism isn't a major problem in America anymore" or "it's just a few bad apples", or "it's not really a racial problem" or "if only the protesters would X they would be more successful", or any of the other crap that typically comes out every time we are reaffirmed of the reality that constitutional and civil rights are only granted to some of our citizens and the white power structure can't be bothered to make any real effort to address it. But ignorant jerky opinions on how black people (or the discussion of the realities of race in general) are what's preventing progress are never in a shortage.
Unless you wouldn't mind being deprived your constitutional/civil rights (speaking generically to Americans) you should be out there protesting with them or at least, at minimum, stfu about how they're doing wrong until you're out there organizing your own protests.
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On August 15 2016 15:53 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2016 14:04 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 11:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2016 09:14 biology]major wrote:On August 15 2016 09:06 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 09:05 zlefin wrote:On August 15 2016 09:03 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 08:57 zlefin wrote:
nuked -> No, it's not, which means you either didn't read the question properly, or don't know what you're talking about remotely, given how complex the sourcing of social issues is.
you also wouldn't get banned for being generically not pc.
so your statement is simply ignorant nonsense.
and if you think you know the answer, you should post it. Its not complex at all. Does telling someone hes ignorant make you feel above him? I can respect that. I like the word. if you have the answer, provide it; otherwise you got nothing. I have the answer but i would get banned if i provided it. Sheriff of milwaukee already answered this question. Single parent households, terrible parenting, terrible schools and overall lack of personal accountability in the community. As to why black people commit crime disproportionately, it's a cultural thing that many of them are trapped in. Hard to escape though, if you have no dad, and no adequate schooling. Just because a black sheriff said it doesn't mean it wasn't racist, stupid, and wrong. Single Parent households, terrible schools have little to nothing to do with black people's culture, that's a result of white culture. Remember it was white culture that trafficked them to the US, stripped them of their language and culture, then killed them if they learned to read, write, swim, etc... It was white culture that segregated them, put them in the crappiest places they could (by legally and illegally forbidding them from living places, and confiscating their land), As for crime statistics, you have to be pretty gawddamn dense to think they paint an accurate picture of who's committing crimes It would lead you to think things like rich white people don't do cocaine, when we know they consume more than their fair share. Like the video I posted earlier where he says "black people don't carry spring assisted knives more than white people", but if you looked at BPD's booking sheets you'd swear they all do. That's because if you have a white guy walking down the street and a black guy walking down the street, both with a knife, only one of them is going to get stopped unconstitutionally, violated again when he is searched, then if he stands up for his rights and tries to inform the officer he's violating the law, he get's an asswhoopin and arrested for resisting arrest (for the knife the cop didn't know about until violating his constitutional rights 2x). If by the off chance the cop does stop and arrest the white guy, it's far more likely the cop gets a reprimand and the guy's case gets dismissed. Meanwhile the black guy is looking at a longer sentence and no defender to point out his rights were violated multiple times invalidating the arrest. White culture destroyed black culture, murdered anyone who tried to bring it back, segregated black people, abused them, stole from them, denied them their rights, imprisoned their fathers, still segregating their education, and as I showed in Milwaukee, still segregating cities, racist policing, and so much more crap... It's certainly a culture issue, but it's white culture that's the problem. Release those white guilt chains brother. I'm black yo. And honestly no one wants anyone to feel guilty about it (unless that's the only thing that will motivate someone to stand up for what is right), just want people to stop saying obnoxiously ignorant and racist things like "racism isn't a major problem in America anymore" or "it's just a few bad apples", or "it's not really a racial problem" or "if only the protesters would X they would be more successful", or any of the other crap that typically comes out every time we are reaffirmed of the reality that constitutional and civil rights are only granted to some of our citizens and the white power structure can't be bothered to make any real effort to address it. But ignorant jerky opinions on how black people (or the discussion of the realities of race in general) are what's preventing progress are never in a shortage. Unless you wouldn't mind being deprived your constitutional/civil rights (speaking generically to Americans) you should be out there protesting with them or at least, at minimum, stfu about how they're doing wrong until you're out there organizing your own protests.
Im not saying there aren't racial issues in the USA, I just dont think white people are responsible for it in the degree you think they are.
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On August 15 2016 16:22 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2016 15:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2016 14:04 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 11:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2016 09:14 biology]major wrote:On August 15 2016 09:06 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 09:05 zlefin wrote:On August 15 2016 09:03 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 08:57 zlefin wrote:
nuked -> No, it's not, which means you either didn't read the question properly, or don't know what you're talking about remotely, given how complex the sourcing of social issues is.
you also wouldn't get banned for being generically not pc.
so your statement is simply ignorant nonsense.
and if you think you know the answer, you should post it. Its not complex at all. Does telling someone hes ignorant make you feel above him? I can respect that. I like the word. if you have the answer, provide it; otherwise you got nothing. I have the answer but i would get banned if i provided it. Sheriff of milwaukee already answered this question. Single parent households, terrible parenting, terrible schools and overall lack of personal accountability in the community. As to why black people commit crime disproportionately, it's a cultural thing that many of them are trapped in. Hard to escape though, if you have no dad, and no adequate schooling. Just because a black sheriff said it doesn't mean it wasn't racist, stupid, and wrong. Single Parent households, terrible schools have little to nothing to do with black people's culture, that's a result of white culture. Remember it was white culture that trafficked them to the US, stripped them of their language and culture, then killed them if they learned to read, write, swim, etc... It was white culture that segregated them, put them in the crappiest places they could (by legally and illegally forbidding them from living places, and confiscating their land), As for crime statistics, you have to be pretty gawddamn dense to think they paint an accurate picture of who's committing crimes It would lead you to think things like rich white people don't do cocaine, when we know they consume more than their fair share. Like the video I posted earlier where he says "black people don't carry spring assisted knives more than white people", but if you looked at BPD's booking sheets you'd swear they all do. That's because if you have a white guy walking down the street and a black guy walking down the street, both with a knife, only one of them is going to get stopped unconstitutionally, violated again when he is searched, then if he stands up for his rights and tries to inform the officer he's violating the law, he get's an asswhoopin and arrested for resisting arrest (for the knife the cop didn't know about until violating his constitutional rights 2x). If by the off chance the cop does stop and arrest the white guy, it's far more likely the cop gets a reprimand and the guy's case gets dismissed. Meanwhile the black guy is looking at a longer sentence and no defender to point out his rights were violated multiple times invalidating the arrest. White culture destroyed black culture, murdered anyone who tried to bring it back, segregated black people, abused them, stole from them, denied them their rights, imprisoned their fathers, still segregating their education, and as I showed in Milwaukee, still segregating cities, racist policing, and so much more crap... It's certainly a culture issue, but it's white culture that's the problem. Release those white guilt chains brother. I'm black yo. And honestly no one wants anyone to feel guilty about it (unless that's the only thing that will motivate someone to stand up for what is right), just want people to stop saying obnoxiously ignorant and racist things like "racism isn't a major problem in America anymore" or "it's just a few bad apples", or "it's not really a racial problem" or "if only the protesters would X they would be more successful", or any of the other crap that typically comes out every time we are reaffirmed of the reality that constitutional and civil rights are only granted to some of our citizens and the white power structure can't be bothered to make any real effort to address it. But ignorant jerky opinions on how black people (or the discussion of the realities of race in general) are what's preventing progress are never in a shortage. Unless you wouldn't mind being deprived your constitutional/civil rights (speaking generically to Americans) you should be out there protesting with them or at least, at minimum, stfu about how they're doing wrong until you're out there organizing your own protests. Im not saying there aren't racial issues in the USA, I just dont think white people are responsible for it in the degree you think they are.
Dude we're talking about a country where black people were brought in America and then used as slaves for 200 years. You think that had no influence on the present?
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On August 15 2016 16:33 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2016 16:22 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 15:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2016 14:04 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 11:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2016 09:14 biology]major wrote:On August 15 2016 09:06 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 09:05 zlefin wrote:On August 15 2016 09:03 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 08:57 zlefin wrote:
nuked -> No, it's not, which means you either didn't read the question properly, or don't know what you're talking about remotely, given how complex the sourcing of social issues is.
you also wouldn't get banned for being generically not pc.
so your statement is simply ignorant nonsense.
and if you think you know the answer, you should post it. Its not complex at all. Does telling someone hes ignorant make you feel above him? I can respect that. I like the word. if you have the answer, provide it; otherwise you got nothing. I have the answer but i would get banned if i provided it. Sheriff of milwaukee already answered this question. Single parent households, terrible parenting, terrible schools and overall lack of personal accountability in the community. As to why black people commit crime disproportionately, it's a cultural thing that many of them are trapped in. Hard to escape though, if you have no dad, and no adequate schooling. Just because a black sheriff said it doesn't mean it wasn't racist, stupid, and wrong. Single Parent households, terrible schools have little to nothing to do with black people's culture, that's a result of white culture. Remember it was white culture that trafficked them to the US, stripped them of their language and culture, then killed them if they learned to read, write, swim, etc... It was white culture that segregated them, put them in the crappiest places they could (by legally and illegally forbidding them from living places, and confiscating their land), As for crime statistics, you have to be pretty gawddamn dense to think they paint an accurate picture of who's committing crimes It would lead you to think things like rich white people don't do cocaine, when we know they consume more than their fair share. Like the video I posted earlier where he says "black people don't carry spring assisted knives more than white people", but if you looked at BPD's booking sheets you'd swear they all do. That's because if you have a white guy walking down the street and a black guy walking down the street, both with a knife, only one of them is going to get stopped unconstitutionally, violated again when he is searched, then if he stands up for his rights and tries to inform the officer he's violating the law, he get's an asswhoopin and arrested for resisting arrest (for the knife the cop didn't know about until violating his constitutional rights 2x). If by the off chance the cop does stop and arrest the white guy, it's far more likely the cop gets a reprimand and the guy's case gets dismissed. Meanwhile the black guy is looking at a longer sentence and no defender to point out his rights were violated multiple times invalidating the arrest. White culture destroyed black culture, murdered anyone who tried to bring it back, segregated black people, abused them, stole from them, denied them their rights, imprisoned their fathers, still segregating their education, and as I showed in Milwaukee, still segregating cities, racist policing, and so much more crap... It's certainly a culture issue, but it's white culture that's the problem. Release those white guilt chains brother. I'm black yo. And honestly no one wants anyone to feel guilty about it (unless that's the only thing that will motivate someone to stand up for what is right), just want people to stop saying obnoxiously ignorant and racist things like "racism isn't a major problem in America anymore" or "it's just a few bad apples", or "it's not really a racial problem" or "if only the protesters would X they would be more successful", or any of the other crap that typically comes out every time we are reaffirmed of the reality that constitutional and civil rights are only granted to some of our citizens and the white power structure can't be bothered to make any real effort to address it. But ignorant jerky opinions on how black people (or the discussion of the realities of race in general) are what's preventing progress are never in a shortage. Unless you wouldn't mind being deprived your constitutional/civil rights (speaking generically to Americans) you should be out there protesting with them or at least, at minimum, stfu about how they're doing wrong until you're out there organizing your own protests. Im not saying there aren't racial issues in the USA, I just dont think white people are responsible for it in the degree you think they are. Dude we're talking about a country where black people were brought in America and then used as slaves for 200 years. You think that had no influence on the present?
As I've said, not to a degree other people here think. In the past sure, today not so much.
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On August 15 2016 16:22 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2016 15:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2016 14:04 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 11:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2016 09:14 biology]major wrote:On August 15 2016 09:06 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 09:05 zlefin wrote:On August 15 2016 09:03 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 08:57 zlefin wrote:
nuked -> No, it's not, which means you either didn't read the question properly, or don't know what you're talking about remotely, given how complex the sourcing of social issues is.
you also wouldn't get banned for being generically not pc.
so your statement is simply ignorant nonsense.
and if you think you know the answer, you should post it. Its not complex at all. Does telling someone hes ignorant make you feel above him? I can respect that. I like the word. if you have the answer, provide it; otherwise you got nothing. I have the answer but i would get banned if i provided it. Sheriff of milwaukee already answered this question. Single parent households, terrible parenting, terrible schools and overall lack of personal accountability in the community. As to why black people commit crime disproportionately, it's a cultural thing that many of them are trapped in. Hard to escape though, if you have no dad, and no adequate schooling. Just because a black sheriff said it doesn't mean it wasn't racist, stupid, and wrong. Single Parent households, terrible schools have little to nothing to do with black people's culture, that's a result of white culture. Remember it was white culture that trafficked them to the US, stripped them of their language and culture, then killed them if they learned to read, write, swim, etc... It was white culture that segregated them, put them in the crappiest places they could (by legally and illegally forbidding them from living places, and confiscating their land), As for crime statistics, you have to be pretty gawddamn dense to think they paint an accurate picture of who's committing crimes It would lead you to think things like rich white people don't do cocaine, when we know they consume more than their fair share. Like the video I posted earlier where he says "black people don't carry spring assisted knives more than white people", but if you looked at BPD's booking sheets you'd swear they all do. That's because if you have a white guy walking down the street and a black guy walking down the street, both with a knife, only one of them is going to get stopped unconstitutionally, violated again when he is searched, then if he stands up for his rights and tries to inform the officer he's violating the law, he get's an asswhoopin and arrested for resisting arrest (for the knife the cop didn't know about until violating his constitutional rights 2x). If by the off chance the cop does stop and arrest the white guy, it's far more likely the cop gets a reprimand and the guy's case gets dismissed. Meanwhile the black guy is looking at a longer sentence and no defender to point out his rights were violated multiple times invalidating the arrest. White culture destroyed black culture, murdered anyone who tried to bring it back, segregated black people, abused them, stole from them, denied them their rights, imprisoned their fathers, still segregating their education, and as I showed in Milwaukee, still segregating cities, racist policing, and so much more crap... It's certainly a culture issue, but it's white culture that's the problem. Release those white guilt chains brother. I'm black yo. And honestly no one wants anyone to feel guilty about it (unless that's the only thing that will motivate someone to stand up for what is right), just want people to stop saying obnoxiously ignorant and racist things like "racism isn't a major problem in America anymore" or "it's just a few bad apples", or "it's not really a racial problem" or "if only the protesters would X they would be more successful", or any of the other crap that typically comes out every time we are reaffirmed of the reality that constitutional and civil rights are only granted to some of our citizens and the white power structure can't be bothered to make any real effort to address it. But ignorant jerky opinions on how black people (or the discussion of the realities of race in general) are what's preventing progress are never in a shortage. Unless you wouldn't mind being deprived your constitutional/civil rights (speaking generically to Americans) you should be out there protesting with them or at least, at minimum, stfu about how they're doing wrong until you're out there organizing your own protests. Im not saying there aren't racial issues in the USA, I just dont think white people are responsible for it in the degree you think they are.
That's fine, I wouldn't expect you to. My rant isn't exactly representative of my actual position, it's more of just trying to show how what it was addressing sounds like to most PoC. There's plenty of truth in there, but it's obviously problematic. The point is that people think they are presenting something innocuous and clinical, but they are actually saying something highly charged and then whine about PC police. Honestly,I'd rather folks say it, get it called out for being as racist as it is, bicker about it for a bit if one must, then move on.
Bottom line, when it comes to responsibility, if white people wanted black (and other PoC) people to have their constitutional and civil rights respected on par with white people it would be done already. Any other description of the issue is intended to distract/deflect from the key hurdle in the way of progress. That's not to say others don't have roles to play, but that's not where the onus lays.
Are you Croatian from Croatia? If so, then the whole "maybe in the past" thing makes sense.
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On August 15 2016 17:09 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2016 16:22 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 15:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2016 14:04 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 11:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2016 09:14 biology]major wrote:On August 15 2016 09:06 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 09:05 zlefin wrote:On August 15 2016 09:03 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 08:57 zlefin wrote:
nuked -> No, it's not, which means you either didn't read the question properly, or don't know what you're talking about remotely, given how complex the sourcing of social issues is.
you also wouldn't get banned for being generically not pc.
so your statement is simply ignorant nonsense.
and if you think you know the answer, you should post it. Its not complex at all. Does telling someone hes ignorant make you feel above him? I can respect that. I like the word. if you have the answer, provide it; otherwise you got nothing. I have the answer but i would get banned if i provided it. Sheriff of milwaukee already answered this question. Single parent households, terrible parenting, terrible schools and overall lack of personal accountability in the community. As to why black people commit crime disproportionately, it's a cultural thing that many of them are trapped in. Hard to escape though, if you have no dad, and no adequate schooling. Just because a black sheriff said it doesn't mean it wasn't racist, stupid, and wrong. Single Parent households, terrible schools have little to nothing to do with black people's culture, that's a result of white culture. Remember it was white culture that trafficked them to the US, stripped them of their language and culture, then killed them if they learned to read, write, swim, etc... It was white culture that segregated them, put them in the crappiest places they could (by legally and illegally forbidding them from living places, and confiscating their land), As for crime statistics, you have to be pretty gawddamn dense to think they paint an accurate picture of who's committing crimes It would lead you to think things like rich white people don't do cocaine, when we know they consume more than their fair share. Like the video I posted earlier where he says "black people don't carry spring assisted knives more than white people", but if you looked at BPD's booking sheets you'd swear they all do. That's because if you have a white guy walking down the street and a black guy walking down the street, both with a knife, only one of them is going to get stopped unconstitutionally, violated again when he is searched, then if he stands up for his rights and tries to inform the officer he's violating the law, he get's an asswhoopin and arrested for resisting arrest (for the knife the cop didn't know about until violating his constitutional rights 2x). If by the off chance the cop does stop and arrest the white guy, it's far more likely the cop gets a reprimand and the guy's case gets dismissed. Meanwhile the black guy is looking at a longer sentence and no defender to point out his rights were violated multiple times invalidating the arrest. White culture destroyed black culture, murdered anyone who tried to bring it back, segregated black people, abused them, stole from them, denied them their rights, imprisoned their fathers, still segregating their education, and as I showed in Milwaukee, still segregating cities, racist policing, and so much more crap... It's certainly a culture issue, but it's white culture that's the problem. Release those white guilt chains brother. I'm black yo. And honestly no one wants anyone to feel guilty about it (unless that's the only thing that will motivate someone to stand up for what is right), just want people to stop saying obnoxiously ignorant and racist things like "racism isn't a major problem in America anymore" or "it's just a few bad apples", or "it's not really a racial problem" or "if only the protesters would X they would be more successful", or any of the other crap that typically comes out every time we are reaffirmed of the reality that constitutional and civil rights are only granted to some of our citizens and the white power structure can't be bothered to make any real effort to address it. But ignorant jerky opinions on how black people (or the discussion of the realities of race in general) are what's preventing progress are never in a shortage. Unless you wouldn't mind being deprived your constitutional/civil rights (speaking generically to Americans) you should be out there protesting with them or at least, at minimum, stfu about how they're doing wrong until you're out there organizing your own protests. Im not saying there aren't racial issues in the USA, I just dont think white people are responsible for it in the degree you think they are. That's fine, I wouldn't expect you to. My rant isn't exactly representative of my actual position, it's more of just trying to show how what it was addressing sounds like to most PoC. There's plenty of truth in there, but it's obviously problematic. The point is that people think they are presenting something innocuous and clinical, but they are actually saying something highly charged and then whine about PC police. Honestly,I'd rather folks say it, get it called out for being as racist as it is, bicker about it for a bit if one must, then move on. Bottom line, when it comes to responsibility, if white people wanted black (and other PoC) people to have their constitutional and civil rights respected on par with white people it would be done already. Any other description of the issue is intended to distract/deflect from the key hurdle in the way of progress. That's not to say others don't have roles to play, but that's not where the onus lays. Are you Croatian from Croatia? If so, then the whole "maybe in the past" thing makes sense.
Yes i am a Croatian from Croatia.
What exactly do white people need to do to have the constituional right respected equally? I get what measures should be done regarding the police and i agree with those but in regarding other matters, what measures would make you happy and stop blaming white people?
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On August 15 2016 17:50 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2016 17:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2016 16:22 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 15:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2016 14:04 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 11:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2016 09:14 biology]major wrote:On August 15 2016 09:06 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 09:05 zlefin wrote:On August 15 2016 09:03 NukeD wrote:
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Its not complex at all.
Does telling someone hes ignorant make you feel above him? I can respect that. I like the word. if you have the answer, provide it; otherwise you got nothing. I have the answer but i would get banned if i provided it. Sheriff of milwaukee already answered this question. Single parent households, terrible parenting, terrible schools and overall lack of personal accountability in the community. As to why black people commit crime disproportionately, it's a cultural thing that many of them are trapped in. Hard to escape though, if you have no dad, and no adequate schooling. Just because a black sheriff said it doesn't mean it wasn't racist, stupid, and wrong. Single Parent households, terrible schools have little to nothing to do with black people's culture, that's a result of white culture. Remember it was white culture that trafficked them to the US, stripped them of their language and culture, then killed them if they learned to read, write, swim, etc... It was white culture that segregated them, put them in the crappiest places they could (by legally and illegally forbidding them from living places, and confiscating their land), As for crime statistics, you have to be pretty gawddamn dense to think they paint an accurate picture of who's committing crimes It would lead you to think things like rich white people don't do cocaine, when we know they consume more than their fair share. Like the video I posted earlier where he says "black people don't carry spring assisted knives more than white people", but if you looked at BPD's booking sheets you'd swear they all do. That's because if you have a white guy walking down the street and a black guy walking down the street, both with a knife, only one of them is going to get stopped unconstitutionally, violated again when he is searched, then if he stands up for his rights and tries to inform the officer he's violating the law, he get's an asswhoopin and arrested for resisting arrest (for the knife the cop didn't know about until violating his constitutional rights 2x). If by the off chance the cop does stop and arrest the white guy, it's far more likely the cop gets a reprimand and the guy's case gets dismissed. Meanwhile the black guy is looking at a longer sentence and no defender to point out his rights were violated multiple times invalidating the arrest. White culture destroyed black culture, murdered anyone who tried to bring it back, segregated black people, abused them, stole from them, denied them their rights, imprisoned their fathers, still segregating their education, and as I showed in Milwaukee, still segregating cities, racist policing, and so much more crap... It's certainly a culture issue, but it's white culture that's the problem. Release those white guilt chains brother. I'm black yo. And honestly no one wants anyone to feel guilty about it (unless that's the only thing that will motivate someone to stand up for what is right), just want people to stop saying obnoxiously ignorant and racist things like "racism isn't a major problem in America anymore" or "it's just a few bad apples", or "it's not really a racial problem" or "if only the protesters would X they would be more successful", or any of the other crap that typically comes out every time we are reaffirmed of the reality that constitutional and civil rights are only granted to some of our citizens and the white power structure can't be bothered to make any real effort to address it. But ignorant jerky opinions on how black people (or the discussion of the realities of race in general) are what's preventing progress are never in a shortage. Unless you wouldn't mind being deprived your constitutional/civil rights (speaking generically to Americans) you should be out there protesting with them or at least, at minimum, stfu about how they're doing wrong until you're out there organizing your own protests. Im not saying there aren't racial issues in the USA, I just dont think white people are responsible for it in the degree you think they are. That's fine, I wouldn't expect you to. My rant isn't exactly representative of my actual position, it's more of just trying to show how what it was addressing sounds like to most PoC. There's plenty of truth in there, but it's obviously problematic. The point is that people think they are presenting something innocuous and clinical, but they are actually saying something highly charged and then whine about PC police. Honestly,I'd rather folks say it, get it called out for being as racist as it is, bicker about it for a bit if one must, then move on. Bottom line, when it comes to responsibility, if white people wanted black (and other PoC) people to have their constitutional and civil rights respected on par with white people it would be done already. Any other description of the issue is intended to distract/deflect from the key hurdle in the way of progress. That's not to say others don't have roles to play, but that's not where the onus lays. Are you Croatian from Croatia? If so, then the whole "maybe in the past" thing makes sense. Yes i am a Croatian from Croatia. What exactly do white people need to do to have the constituional right respected equally? I get what measures should be done regarding the police and i agree with those but in regarding other matters, what measures would make you happy and stop blaming white people?
What exactly needs to be done is probably worthy of a dissertation or something. I've already given some pretty basic steps they can start with if they're interested in actually doing something. There's a whole host of options of places to look for other ideas as well. But step one is having an honest conversation and the majority don't seem ready for that still.
EDIT: It's not about making me happy, or blaming white people, it's about acknowledging the role white people play in the equation, otherwise we're not having a real conversation. Which is pretty much what happens every time the topic comes up anywhere.
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On August 15 2016 18:21 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2016 17:50 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 17:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2016 16:22 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 15:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2016 14:04 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 11:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2016 09:14 biology]major wrote:On August 15 2016 09:06 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 09:05 zlefin wrote:
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if you have the answer, provide it; otherwise you got nothing. I have the answer but i would get banned if i provided it. Sheriff of milwaukee already answered this question. Single parent households, terrible parenting, terrible schools and overall lack of personal accountability in the community. As to why black people commit crime disproportionately, it's a cultural thing that many of them are trapped in. Hard to escape though, if you have no dad, and no adequate schooling. Just because a black sheriff said it doesn't mean it wasn't racist, stupid, and wrong. Single Parent households, terrible schools have little to nothing to do with black people's culture, that's a result of white culture. Remember it was white culture that trafficked them to the US, stripped them of their language and culture, then killed them if they learned to read, write, swim, etc... It was white culture that segregated them, put them in the crappiest places they could (by legally and illegally forbidding them from living places, and confiscating their land), As for crime statistics, you have to be pretty gawddamn dense to think they paint an accurate picture of who's committing crimes It would lead you to think things like rich white people don't do cocaine, when we know they consume more than their fair share. Like the video I posted earlier where he says "black people don't carry spring assisted knives more than white people", but if you looked at BPD's booking sheets you'd swear they all do. That's because if you have a white guy walking down the street and a black guy walking down the street, both with a knife, only one of them is going to get stopped unconstitutionally, violated again when he is searched, then if he stands up for his rights and tries to inform the officer he's violating the law, he get's an asswhoopin and arrested for resisting arrest (for the knife the cop didn't know about until violating his constitutional rights 2x). If by the off chance the cop does stop and arrest the white guy, it's far more likely the cop gets a reprimand and the guy's case gets dismissed. Meanwhile the black guy is looking at a longer sentence and no defender to point out his rights were violated multiple times invalidating the arrest. White culture destroyed black culture, murdered anyone who tried to bring it back, segregated black people, abused them, stole from them, denied them their rights, imprisoned their fathers, still segregating their education, and as I showed in Milwaukee, still segregating cities, racist policing, and so much more crap... It's certainly a culture issue, but it's white culture that's the problem. Release those white guilt chains brother. I'm black yo. And honestly no one wants anyone to feel guilty about it (unless that's the only thing that will motivate someone to stand up for what is right), just want people to stop saying obnoxiously ignorant and racist things like "racism isn't a major problem in America anymore" or "it's just a few bad apples", or "it's not really a racial problem" or "if only the protesters would X they would be more successful", or any of the other crap that typically comes out every time we are reaffirmed of the reality that constitutional and civil rights are only granted to some of our citizens and the white power structure can't be bothered to make any real effort to address it. But ignorant jerky opinions on how black people (or the discussion of the realities of race in general) are what's preventing progress are never in a shortage. Unless you wouldn't mind being deprived your constitutional/civil rights (speaking generically to Americans) you should be out there protesting with them or at least, at minimum, stfu about how they're doing wrong until you're out there organizing your own protests. Im not saying there aren't racial issues in the USA, I just dont think white people are responsible for it in the degree you think they are. That's fine, I wouldn't expect you to. My rant isn't exactly representative of my actual position, it's more of just trying to show how what it was addressing sounds like to most PoC. There's plenty of truth in there, but it's obviously problematic. The point is that people think they are presenting something innocuous and clinical, but they are actually saying something highly charged and then whine about PC police. Honestly,I'd rather folks say it, get it called out for being as racist as it is, bicker about it for a bit if one must, then move on. Bottom line, when it comes to responsibility, if white people wanted black (and other PoC) people to have their constitutional and civil rights respected on par with white people it would be done already. Any other description of the issue is intended to distract/deflect from the key hurdle in the way of progress. That's not to say others don't have roles to play, but that's not where the onus lays. Are you Croatian from Croatia? If so, then the whole "maybe in the past" thing makes sense. Yes i am a Croatian from Croatia. What exactly do white people need to do to have the constituional right respected equally? I get what measures should be done regarding the police and i agree with those but in regarding other matters, what measures would make you happy and stop blaming white people? What exactly needs to be done is probably worthy of a dissertation or something. I've already given some pretty basic steps they can start with if they're interested in actually doing something. There's a whole host of options of places to look for other ideas as well. But step one is having an honest conversation and the majority don't seem ready for that still. EDIT: It's not about making me happy, or blaming white people, it's about acknowledging the role white people play in the equation, otherwise we're not having a real conversation. Which is pretty much what happens every time the topic comes up anywhere.
I haven't seen anyone not acknowledge the role that white people play so regarding that I dont think you are being honest with yourself about that. The problem is that we cant seem to go past that point, generally everyone agrees that whites play a huge role, but you will continue to insist that we do not acknowledge it.
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On August 15 2016 19:49 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2016 18:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2016 17:50 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 17:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2016 16:22 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 15:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2016 14:04 NukeD wrote:On August 15 2016 11:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 15 2016 09:14 biology]major wrote:On August 15 2016 09:06 NukeD wrote:
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I have the answer but i would get banned if i provided it. Sheriff of milwaukee already answered this question. Single parent households, terrible parenting, terrible schools and overall lack of personal accountability in the community. As to why black people commit crime disproportionately, it's a cultural thing that many of them are trapped in. Hard to escape though, if you have no dad, and no adequate schooling. Just because a black sheriff said it doesn't mean it wasn't racist, stupid, and wrong. Single Parent households, terrible schools have little to nothing to do with black people's culture, that's a result of white culture. Remember it was white culture that trafficked them to the US, stripped them of their language and culture, then killed them if they learned to read, write, swim, etc... It was white culture that segregated them, put them in the crappiest places they could (by legally and illegally forbidding them from living places, and confiscating their land), As for crime statistics, you have to be pretty gawddamn dense to think they paint an accurate picture of who's committing crimes It would lead you to think things like rich white people don't do cocaine, when we know they consume more than their fair share. Like the video I posted earlier where he says "black people don't carry spring assisted knives more than white people", but if you looked at BPD's booking sheets you'd swear they all do. That's because if you have a white guy walking down the street and a black guy walking down the street, both with a knife, only one of them is going to get stopped unconstitutionally, violated again when he is searched, then if he stands up for his rights and tries to inform the officer he's violating the law, he get's an asswhoopin and arrested for resisting arrest (for the knife the cop didn't know about until violating his constitutional rights 2x). If by the off chance the cop does stop and arrest the white guy, it's far more likely the cop gets a reprimand and the guy's case gets dismissed. Meanwhile the black guy is looking at a longer sentence and no defender to point out his rights were violated multiple times invalidating the arrest. White culture destroyed black culture, murdered anyone who tried to bring it back, segregated black people, abused them, stole from them, denied them their rights, imprisoned their fathers, still segregating their education, and as I showed in Milwaukee, still segregating cities, racist policing, and so much more crap... It's certainly a culture issue, but it's white culture that's the problem. Release those white guilt chains brother. I'm black yo. And honestly no one wants anyone to feel guilty about it (unless that's the only thing that will motivate someone to stand up for what is right), just want people to stop saying obnoxiously ignorant and racist things like "racism isn't a major problem in America anymore" or "it's just a few bad apples", or "it's not really a racial problem" or "if only the protesters would X they would be more successful", or any of the other crap that typically comes out every time we are reaffirmed of the reality that constitutional and civil rights are only granted to some of our citizens and the white power structure can't be bothered to make any real effort to address it. But ignorant jerky opinions on how black people (or the discussion of the realities of race in general) are what's preventing progress are never in a shortage. Unless you wouldn't mind being deprived your constitutional/civil rights (speaking generically to Americans) you should be out there protesting with them or at least, at minimum, stfu about how they're doing wrong until you're out there organizing your own protests. Im not saying there aren't racial issues in the USA, I just dont think white people are responsible for it in the degree you think they are. That's fine, I wouldn't expect you to. My rant isn't exactly representative of my actual position, it's more of just trying to show how what it was addressing sounds like to most PoC. There's plenty of truth in there, but it's obviously problematic. The point is that people think they are presenting something innocuous and clinical, but they are actually saying something highly charged and then whine about PC police. Honestly,I'd rather folks say it, get it called out for being as racist as it is, bicker about it for a bit if one must, then move on. Bottom line, when it comes to responsibility, if white people wanted black (and other PoC) people to have their constitutional and civil rights respected on par with white people it would be done already. Any other description of the issue is intended to distract/deflect from the key hurdle in the way of progress. That's not to say others don't have roles to play, but that's not where the onus lays. Are you Croatian from Croatia? If so, then the whole "maybe in the past" thing makes sense. Yes i am a Croatian from Croatia. What exactly do white people need to do to have the constituional right respected equally? I get what measures should be done regarding the police and i agree with those but in regarding other matters, what measures would make you happy and stop blaming white people? What exactly needs to be done is probably worthy of a dissertation or something. I've already given some pretty basic steps they can start with if they're interested in actually doing something. There's a whole host of options of places to look for other ideas as well. But step one is having an honest conversation and the majority don't seem ready for that still. EDIT: It's not about making me happy, or blaming white people, it's about acknowledging the role white people play in the equation, otherwise we're not having a real conversation. Which is pretty much what happens every time the topic comes up anywhere. I haven't seen anyone not acknowledge the role that white people play so regarding that I dont think you are being honest with yourself about that. The problem is that we cant seem to go past that point, generally everyone agrees that whites play a huge role, but you will continue to insist that we do not acknowledge it.
Those who aren't of whom I speak, do not think I am talking about them. I'm not talking about just here though, even if everyone here agreed on something, that doesn't mean much. When I say "majority of white people" I'm talking about Americans (in this context). Those who I'm speaking about here, regularly say things that show they are, in fact, not acknowledging the role white people have played in the situation we face now.
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Hundreds of gay activists will begin a campaign of civil disobedience and direct action against gun companies and their supporters on Monday, to demand an end to the epidemic of gun violence blighting the US.
Members of Gays Against Guns, a group formed in the wake of the massacre of 49 people at the Pulse gay nightclub in Orlando earlier this summer, said they would “no longer stand by and watch the gun industry profit from death”.
Organizers of the collective, which has more than 300 members in New York and chapters in nine other cities across the country, said they were prepared to break the law and get arrested in their fight against gun manufacturers, their shareholders, the National Rifle Association (NRA) and its corporate backers.
Ken Kidd, who is helping lead the group’s direct action campaign, which kicks off on Monday, said GAG would go much further than other gun control pressure groups, such as the Brady campaign and Everytown, by “targeting not only politicians, but other baddies that work with the killing machine”.
As well as directly targeting the US two biggest gun companies, Smith & Wesson and Sturm, Ruger & Co, the campaign – which is modeled on and includes members of the 1980s direct action gay rights campaign group Act Up – will also go after their investors.
“We are targeting corporations that either invest in the gun industry or align themselves with the NRA,” Kidd told fellow activists at a planning meeting at the Center in Chelsea last week.
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Donald Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, slammed the New York Times Monday on morning after the newspaper published a story reporting that secret ledgers in Ukraine show more than $12 million in cash earmarked for him.
The report states that the political party of former Ukraine president and pro-Russia ally Viktor Yanukovych set aside $12.7 million for Manafort. Investigators say the money was part of an illegal, undisclosed payment system, the Times reports.
“Once again, the New York Times has chosen to purposefully ignore facts and professional journalism to fit their political agenda, choosing to attack my character and reputation rather than present an honest report,” Manafort said in a statement obtained by NBC News. “The suggestion that I accepted cash payments is unfounded, silly and nonsensical.”
The story comes a little more than a day after the Times published a story examining the internal struggles facing Trump’s campaign, a story that also elicited strong responses from the Republican nominee and his campaign.
It’s unclear if Manafort actually received payments, but prosecutors told the Times that Manafort “must have realized the implications of his financial dealings.”
But Manafort strongly denied that he ever received off-the-books payments or has done work with the governments of Ukraine or Russia.
“My work in Ukraine ceased following the country’s parliamentary elections in October 2014,” Manafort says. “In addition, as the article points out hesitantly, every government official interviewed states I have done nothing wrong.”
The Times story was retweeted by Corey Lewandowski, the former Trump campaign manager and Manafort rival who was fired in June.
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Looks like this Russia line of attack is going to have more legs than I thought. Curious what the democrats can do with it.
Anyone got any guesses as to what asinine and\or dangerous thing Trump says this week to put his staffers on suicide watch?
My guess is he gets so mad at the press he either promotes violence against them or openly advocates limitations on the first amendment, in a way he hasnt before.
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On August 15 2016 21:28 On_Slaught wrote:
Looks like this Russia line of attack is going to have more legs than I thought. Curious what the democrats can do with it.
Anyone got any guesses as to what asinine and\or dangerous thing Trump says this week to put his staffers on suicide watch?
My guess is he gets so mad at the press he either promotes violence against them or openly advocates limitations on the first amendment, in a way he hasnt before.
I expect the Democrats to not mention the Russia line unless concrete proof shows up. Best to not get their hands dirty on baseless stuff.
As for Trumps dumb thing. Who knows, there is just so much to choose from :p
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On August 15 2016 14:13 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2016 11:06 Leporello wrote:Sigh. I hope we're delaying giving Donald Trump classified information for as long as possible. Every day, it seems, we're hearing about a new staffer or accomplice having direct ties to Putin and/or the Kremlin. Unbelievable. It just gets worse and worse. What a surprise that Donald Trump has a weird, previously unexplained distaste for NATO. Trump probably couldn't even name half the countries in Eastern Europe, but for "some reason", he has strong opinions about NATO. What a coincidence. But what does it matter? Donald Trump could invite Vladimir Putin over to desecrate on Ronald Reagan's corpse, and I'm sure the Trump-voters would find it great. The Kremlin isn't in the Ukraine and Trump's not an agent of Putin. He's had two wives from Eastern Europe. He's had the same ideas about other countries taking advantage of US defense for 30 years. [obscenely large and irrelevant picture inserted here]
You seem to be being deliberately obtuse. This was the pro-Russian Ukraine that was overthrown, that Manafort is accused of accepting money from. So....
And then the photographed letter you attached has nothing to do with anything NATO or Russia, so I'm not sure what the point of it is.
Donald has had a strange pro-Russian anti-NATO stance his whole campaign. It makes no sense, given Russia's actions the past 10 years. NATO has never been more relevant than it is today. And he wants to weaken it, question its relevancy? What? It's nonsense.
So, just a coincidence, then, that we hear, time and time again, about these pro-Kremlin connections.
Just a coincidence.
Right.
And to the other poster who responded: Yes, I do trust Hillary more than Trump with classified information, especially in regards to Europe and Asia.
But that's not saying anything, because at this point, it seems pretty obvious that Trump is, witting or unwittingly, a fucking Russian stooge. For real.
The party of Reagan. Jesus Christ.
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On August 15 2016 20:56 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +Donald Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, slammed the New York Times Monday on morning after the newspaper published a story reporting that secret ledgers in Ukraine show more than $12 million in cash earmarked for him.
The report states that the political party of former Ukraine president and pro-Russia ally Viktor Yanukovych set aside $12.7 million for Manafort. Investigators say the money was part of an illegal, undisclosed payment system, the Times reports.
“Once again, the New York Times has chosen to purposefully ignore facts and professional journalism to fit their political agenda, choosing to attack my character and reputation rather than present an honest report,” Manafort said in a statement obtained by NBC News. “The suggestion that I accepted cash payments is unfounded, silly and nonsensical.”
The story comes a little more than a day after the Times published a story examining the internal struggles facing Trump’s campaign, a story that also elicited strong responses from the Republican nominee and his campaign.
It’s unclear if Manafort actually received payments, but prosecutors told the Times that Manafort “must have realized the implications of his financial dealings.”
But Manafort strongly denied that he ever received off-the-books payments or has done work with the governments of Ukraine or Russia.
“My work in Ukraine ceased following the country’s parliamentary elections in October 2014,” Manafort says. “In addition, as the article points out hesitantly, every government official interviewed states I have done nothing wrong.”
The Times story was retweeted by Corey Lewandowski, the former Trump campaign manager and Manafort rival who was fired in June. Manafort blasts NYT, denies he accepted Ukraine cash payments
I love how Corey is still trying to get manafort fired lol
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On August 15 2016 22:25 PassiveAce wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2016 20:56 farvacola wrote:Donald Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, slammed the New York Times Monday on morning after the newspaper published a story reporting that secret ledgers in Ukraine show more than $12 million in cash earmarked for him.
The report states that the political party of former Ukraine president and pro-Russia ally Viktor Yanukovych set aside $12.7 million for Manafort. Investigators say the money was part of an illegal, undisclosed payment system, the Times reports.
“Once again, the New York Times has chosen to purposefully ignore facts and professional journalism to fit their political agenda, choosing to attack my character and reputation rather than present an honest report,” Manafort said in a statement obtained by NBC News. “The suggestion that I accepted cash payments is unfounded, silly and nonsensical.”
The story comes a little more than a day after the Times published a story examining the internal struggles facing Trump’s campaign, a story that also elicited strong responses from the Republican nominee and his campaign.
It’s unclear if Manafort actually received payments, but prosecutors told the Times that Manafort “must have realized the implications of his financial dealings.”
But Manafort strongly denied that he ever received off-the-books payments or has done work with the governments of Ukraine or Russia.
“My work in Ukraine ceased following the country’s parliamentary elections in October 2014,” Manafort says. “In addition, as the article points out hesitantly, every government official interviewed states I have done nothing wrong.”
The Times story was retweeted by Corey Lewandowski, the former Trump campaign manager and Manafort rival who was fired in June. Manafort blasts NYT, denies he accepted Ukraine cash payments I love how Corey is still trying to get manafort fired lol
Corey knows his cushy CNN gig won't last forever. He wants to make sure there's a chair for him when the music stops. Everyone on the Trump campaign who isn't a true believer is looking to justify their association with the dumpster fire so they can find a job after the campaign.
I expect at least 4 very juicy tell-all books to come out of this.
Also, Manafort should be gone by the end of the day. There's been an awful lot of smoke around his Russian connections, and the ledger seems to be the fire. While it's not necessarily a sign of conspiracy, it's definitely a sign of corruption which is bad enough. For crying out loud, on the flip side people are complaining about donations to a freaking charity.
Also, more fuel for the fire:
Just weeks after she started preparing opposition research files on [Manafort] last spring, Democratic National Committee consultant Alexandra Chalupa got an alarming message when she logged into her personal Yahoo email account. ‘Important action required,’ read a pop-up box from a Yahoo security team … ‘We strongly suspect that your account has been the target of state-sponsored actors.’ Chalupa — who had been drafting memos and writing emails about Manafort’s connection to pro-Russian political leaders in Ukraine — quickly alerted top DNC officials. ‘Since I started digging into Manafort, these messages have been a daily occurrence on my Yahoo account despite changing my password often,’ she wrote in a May 3 email to Luis Miranda, the DNC’s communications director, which included an attached screengrab of the image of the Yahoo security warning.
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