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Holy fuck...
Donald Trump is expected on Monday to propose screening immigrants with an ideological questionnaire.
According to The Associated Press, the Republican presidential nominee plans to present a proposal during an address in Youngstown, Ohio, to create an ideological admissions test that would question potential immigrants on positions such as religious freedom, gender equality and gay rights. The test, in addition to combing social media and interviewing friends and families, would be used to determine whether potential immigrants support American values.
“Mr. Trump's speech will explain that while we can’t choose our friends, we must always recognize our enemies,” Trump campaign senior policy adviser Stephen Miller said Sunday.
In his address on combating terrorism and defeating the Islamic State, Trump will also “describe the need to temporarily suspend visa issuances to geographic regions with a history of exporting terrorism and where adequate checks and background vetting cannot occur,” Miller added.
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Is he not aware we do a lot of those things already? We don’t do it in the form of nakedly xenophobic quiz that people can lie on, but we heavily screen immigrants/refugees and anyone seeking access to our country from dangerous regions.
I expect we are going to get a full less into just how poorly informed Trump is on the immigration process of anyone who isn’t a super model.
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On August 15 2016 22:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Holy fuck... Show nested quote +Donald Trump is expected on Monday to propose screening immigrants with an ideological questionnaire.
According to The Associated Press, the Republican presidential nominee plans to present a proposal during an address in Youngstown, Ohio, to create an ideological admissions test that would question potential immigrants on positions such as religious freedom, gender equality and gay rights. The test, in addition to combing social media and interviewing friends and families, would be used to determine whether potential immigrants support American values.
“Mr. Trump's speech will explain that while we can’t choose our friends, we must always recognize our enemies,” Trump campaign senior policy adviser Stephen Miller said Sunday.
In his address on combating terrorism and defeating the Islamic State, Trump will also “describe the need to temporarily suspend visa issuances to geographic regions with a history of exporting terrorism and where adequate checks and background vetting cannot occur,” Miller added. Source
Let's bring back literacy tests and the grandfather clause back too. Make America Great Again!
On August 15 2016 22:40 Plansix wrote:
Is he not aware we do a lot of those things already? We don’t do it in the form of nakedly xenophobic quiz that people can lie on, but we heavily screen immigrants/refugees and anyone seeking access to our country from dangerous regions.
I expect we are going to get a full less into just how poorly informed Trump is on the immigration process of anyone who isn’t a super model.
IDK if he knows how supermodel immigration works either, after all we haven't seen Ivanka's visas...
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Everyone knows that terrorists can't lie. Foolproof!
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On August 15 2016 22:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Holy fuck... Show nested quote +Donald Trump is expected on Monday to propose screening immigrants with an ideological questionnaire.
According to The Associated Press, the Republican presidential nominee plans to present a proposal during an address in Youngstown, Ohio, to create an ideological admissions test that would question potential immigrants on positions such as religious freedom, gender equality and gay rights. The test, in addition to combing social media and interviewing friends and families, would be used to determine whether potential immigrants support American values.
“Mr. Trump's speech will explain that while we can’t choose our friends, we must always recognize our enemies,” Trump campaign senior policy adviser Stephen Miller said Sunday.
In his address on combating terrorism and defeating the Islamic State, Trump will also “describe the need to temporarily suspend visa issuances to geographic regions with a history of exporting terrorism and where adequate checks and background vetting cannot occur,” Miller added. Source
would question potential immigrants on positions such as religious freedom, gender equality and gay rights.
I have to wonder how much of the Republican party would pass this admissions test? I'm thinking ~40% of the Republicans in NC wouldn't be let in the country under Trump lol.
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On August 15 2016 22:45 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2016 22:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Holy fuck... Donald Trump is expected on Monday to propose screening immigrants with an ideological questionnaire.
According to The Associated Press, the Republican presidential nominee plans to present a proposal during an address in Youngstown, Ohio, to create an ideological admissions test that would question potential immigrants on positions such as religious freedom, gender equality and gay rights. The test, in addition to combing social media and interviewing friends and families, would be used to determine whether potential immigrants support American values.
“Mr. Trump's speech will explain that while we can’t choose our friends, we must always recognize our enemies,” Trump campaign senior policy adviser Stephen Miller said Sunday.
In his address on combating terrorism and defeating the Islamic State, Trump will also “describe the need to temporarily suspend visa issuances to geographic regions with a history of exporting terrorism and where adequate checks and background vetting cannot occur,” Miller added. Source Show nested quote +would question potential immigrants on positions such as religious freedom, gender equality and gay rights. I have to wonder how much of the Republican party would pass this admissions test? I'm thinking ~40% of the Republicans in NC wouldn't be let in the country under Trump lol.
That's why you include a grandfather clause.
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This is going to be one of those things that plays well to his crowd and the rest of the country is going to ask “Don’t we do that? I watched that Thanks Giving episode of West Wing and a bunch of Law and Order, I am pretty sure they ask those questions.”
And we don’t provide “temp visas” to regions with violent conflicts. Like does he think we are marketing work visas to Syria? “Avoid the war, come pick fruit in America until the conflict is over.”
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On August 15 2016 22:48 Plansix wrote:
And we don’t provide “temp visas” to regions with violent conflicts. Like does he think we are marketing work visas to Syria? “Avoid the war, come pick fruit in America until the conflict is over.”
These would be trump visas, more awesome than other visas because trump.
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Will they change the quiz every year like the SATs? I wonder what the essay section would look like? Will you be able to buy a copy of the quiz from an immigrant who already passed?
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On August 15 2016 23:03 Plansix wrote:
Will they change the quiz every year like the SATs? I wonder what the essay section would look like? Will you be able to buy a copy of the quiz from an immigrant who already passed?
Don't worry. Trump will have the best observers watching to make sure nobody cheats the process.
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Donald Trump’s New York state co-chair is not backing off comments he made last week in which he said Khizr Khan, whose son died in Iraq in 2004, doesn’t deserve the title of “Gold Star parent.”
In an email to BuzzFeed News on Sunday, Carl Paladino said Khan dishonored the memory of his son by speaking at the Democratic National Convention, a speech Paladino claims Hillary Clinton paid Khan to deliver. Paladino also accused Khan of connections to Islamic terrorists. He did not provide any evidence to support either claim.
“Kahn’s (sic) history of advocating for Islamist terrorists like the Muslim Brotherhood and his prior communications with terrorist individuals and organizations give reason to his dumb attempt to enter the arena and re-define to real Americans the Trump they know as a patriotic leader who will confront and destroy America’s demons and do what Hillary and her hero Barack don’t have the fortitude or disposition to do,” Paladino wrote
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“Allowing himself to be so controlled by Hillary that he would dishonor the memory of his heroic son shows the man’s lack of character and backbone,” he added. “I am certain that most Gold Star parents would despise Mr Kahn’s (sic) attempt to politicize his son’s loss. Hillary should be ashamed and pillaged for encouraging the Kahn’s (sic) to so tragically make fools of themselves.”
Paladino said last week on Imus in the Morning that Khan doesn’t deserve the title of a Gold Star parent because he’s shown himself to be “anti-American” and may be a supporter of “the ISIS-type of attitude against America.”
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It's amazing that despite his tenuous relationship with the truth Donald Trump seems to think terrorists can't just lie to you about their values.
In fact, they're probably going to get A+s on any test like this. They know more about degenerate Western values than anyone.
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Speaks at the convention for a political party. Get's called anti-American.
This is so ridiculously backward I don't know what to say.
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They have taken a page right out of McCarthy’s book.
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Honestly, someone using the term "real Americans" is basically a cue to ignore what they have to say. Unless someone can show me a way where the implications of "fake Americans" aren't blatantly racist/xenophobic.
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On August 15 2016 23:22 TheYango wrote:
Speaks at the convention for a political party. Get's called anti-American.
This is so ridiculously backward I don't know what to say.
how about "that's a terrible thing to say and that guy should be fired"
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On August 15 2016 23:22 TheYango wrote:
Speaks at the convention for a political party. Get's called anti-American.
This is so ridiculously backward I don't know what to say.
It makes sense if you view the opposing party as the enemy of the nation
On August 15 2016 23:28 TheYango wrote:
Honestly, at this point, someone using the term "real Americans" is basically a cue to ignore what they have to say.
Was "real america" ever actually a concept that could be taken seriously?
I thought it was always an attempt to politically an culturally delegitimize certain americans. That it's tied to the birther movement doesn't help.
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On August 15 2016 23:29 PassiveAce wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2016 23:22 TheYango wrote:
Speaks at the convention for a political party. Get's called anti-American.
This is so ridiculously backward I don't know what to say. It makes sense if you view the opposing party as the enemy of the nation
When you demonize the other party and feed into crazy theories like the president isn’t a US citizen, this is the natural outcome. I’m not a huge fan of McCain on many fronts, but he did not feed into that and said he respected Obama. Sadly, he is a dying breed of Republican.
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On August 15 2016 23:28 TheYango wrote:
Honestly, someone using the term "real Americans" is basically a cue to ignore what they have to say. Unless someone can show me a way where the implications of "fake Americans" aren't blatantly racist/xenophobic.
No true scotsman would approve of this message.
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So, I'm going to mention this a second time, and while I think it will fall on deaf ears again maybe someone will learn a thing or two.
Ukraine is not Russia. The Yanukovich government was not Russia. It wasn't even really pro-Russian, it was just a corrupt government that was willing to pit Western and Russian influence against each other to try to get the biggest handouts it could. The article calls that government pro-Russian but it really isn't. So unless more info comes out it's far more likely that Manafort was just involved in standard garden variety profiteering off of shitty governments.
Also, Trump's "make NATO countries pay for itself" is most likely his own words. That doesn't sound like something a foreign government would say.
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