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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
September 25 2013 16:29 GMT
#9401
Lol "starting to agree with him". Nice try Danglars, but we all know that your camp abandoned Christie the moment he agreed to take a walk with Obama post hurricane
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 25 2013 18:22 GMT
#9402
Though there will be variations across the country, most Americans will be able to choose from multiple health insurance plans and pay lower-than-expected premiums for coverage on the Obamacare health insurance marketplaces, according to data released Wednesday by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

According to the administration's analysis of data for the 36 states participating in the federal marketplace, with some additional information from 11 states with state-based marketplaces, 95 percent of Americans will be able to choose between two or more health insurance carriers and will live in states where premiums are lower than originally estimated by the Congressional Budget Office.

It's the definitive look at the insurance market with less than a week to go until the marketplaces open for enrollment.
"We've done a pretty good job of getting affordable options on the shelves," Jeanne Lambrew, deputy assistant for health policy to Obama, told reporters Tuesday in advance of the report's public release. "That is success that we've gotten to the point where we can say that."

On average, people will have a choice of 56 different insurance plans -- depending on which state you live in, though, that figure could range from seven (in Alabama) to 106 (in Arizona). The average number of insurers in a state is eight, though that again ranges from one to 13 in different states.


Source
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-25 18:40:52
September 25 2013 18:38 GMT
#9403
I'm hearing talk about another debt crisis battle.

No, for the love of all that is 'murican, no. If the sequestration or last debt ceiling crisis was any indication, political brinksmanship has an alarming tendency to carry unintended negative consequences or else fail entirely. And I am highly critical of people willing to hold a country's financial and economic well-being hostage for political brownie points.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 25 2013 19:39 GMT
#9404
So after all that talk, not a filibuster but a hope in delaying cloture, Cruz votes Yes on Cloture....
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
September 25 2013 20:04 GMT
#9405
Well it's hard to stand up for what you believe in when the only thing you believe in is your own ambitions.
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sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
September 25 2013 20:12 GMT
#9406
On September 26 2013 04:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So after all that talk, not a filibuster but a hope in delaying cloture, Cruz votes Yes on Cloture....

This vote was entirely meaningless, as I'm sure your aware. It was a test vote. The final vote comes later. Stop trying to confuse people who don't know better.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-25 20:14:11
September 25 2013 20:13 GMT
#9407
On September 25 2013 18:42 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 18:38 IgnE wrote:
He took breaks. Disqualified.


Oh, and he wasn't reading recipes from his Grandma's recipe book either or reciting the phone book. He's been talking about Obamacare this entire time.



Dude read _Green and Eggs Ham_ with no irony and was reading tweets. Stop confusing people who don't know better.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
September 25 2013 20:14 GMT
#9408
On September 26 2013 05:12 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 04:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So after all that talk, not a filibuster but a hope in delaying cloture, Cruz votes Yes on Cloture....

This vote was entirely meaningless, as I'm sure your aware. It was a test vote. The final vote comes later. Stop trying to confuse people who don't know better.

So was his filibuster. I mean you don't want another Romney on your hands, do you? He's getting to be a mite inconsistent and we're nowhere near the election season.
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
September 25 2013 20:18 GMT
#9409
On September 26 2013 05:14 Jormundr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 05:12 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On September 26 2013 04:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So after all that talk, not a filibuster but a hope in delaying cloture, Cruz votes Yes on Cloture....

This vote was entirely meaningless, as I'm sure your aware. It was a test vote. The final vote comes later. Stop trying to confuse people who don't know better.

So was his filibuster. I mean you don't want another Romney on your hands, do you? He's getting to be a mite inconsistent and we're nowhere near the election season.


To be fair, he is nothing like Romney.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 25 2013 22:08 GMT
#9410
WASHINGTON -- While Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) was bemoaning the "defeatist attitude" of his fellow Republican senators, his close ally Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) acknowledged Obamacare won't be defunded in a bill to keep the federal government open.

The Kentucky Republican stood with Cruz in his all-night speech against Obamacare, but later on Wednesday Paul added his name to those who say the writing is on the wall.

"I'm not saying we would get everything we want. We don't want to fund [Obamacare] at all, but I'm ready to admit we may not get that," Paul told reporters shortly after he voted to begin debate on the government funding bill passed by House Republicans last week.

That bill would keep the federal government open beyond Sept. 30, but permanently strips the Affordable Care Act of its funding, as Cruz and his allies have demanded. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is expected to amend the measure to restore funding for the Affordable Care Act in the course of a subsequent procedural vote that requires a simple majority.

Republicans, with 46 votes, could stop the bill during the procedural motion; but many of them oppose shutting down the federal government, especially since it wouldn't lead to the end of Obamacare, and the GOP is likely to bear the brunt of the blame.

To Cruz, who spoke Wednesday on Rush Limbaugh's radio show, that stance shows that Republicans are "beaten down."


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
BioNova
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States598 Posts
September 25 2013 22:30 GMT
#9411
On September 26 2013 05:18 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 05:14 Jormundr wrote:
On September 26 2013 05:12 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On September 26 2013 04:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So after all that talk, not a filibuster but a hope in delaying cloture, Cruz votes Yes on Cloture....

This vote was entirely meaningless, as I'm sure your aware. It was a test vote. The final vote comes later. Stop trying to confuse people who don't know better.

So was his filibuster. I mean you don't want another Romney on your hands, do you? He's getting to be a mite inconsistent and we're nowhere near the election season.


To be fair, he is nothing like Romney.


It remains to be seen who he is. There is a large segment of the libertarian wing who flat out don't like him. This lil snip comes from the DailyPaul.

- Senator Cruz was born in Canada, and thus automatically a Canadian citizen. Cruz's father was born in 1939 in Matanzas, Cuba, his mother born in Wilmington, Delaware. Cruz announced that he is renouncing his Canadian citizenship. [See “natural born citizen” as required by Article II, Section I, Clause 5 of the US Constitution for President and by the 12th Amendment for Vice President.]

- In 1998, Cruz served as private counsel for Congressman John Boehner during Boehner’s lawsuit against Congressman Jim McDermott for releasing a tape recording of a Boehner telephone conversation.

- Cruz joined the Bush–Cheney campaign in 1999 as a domestic policy adviser, advising President George W. Bush on a wide range of policy and legal matters, including civil justice, criminal justice, constitutional law, immigration, and government reform. There he met his wife, Heidi Nelson Cruz, another policy adviser who works for Goldman Sachs.

- Cruz assisted in assembling the Bush legal team, devise strategy, and draft pleadings in the Florida and U.S. Supreme Courts during the 2000 Florida presidential recounts, winning twice in the U.S. Supreme Court.

- After President Bush took office, Cruz served as an associate deputy attorney general in the U.S. Justice Department and as the director of policy planning at the U.S. Federal Trade Commission.

- George P. Bush, the nephew of former President George W. Bush, endorsed Cruz for U.S. Senate.

"Ted is the future of the Republican Party," Bush said in a statement. "He is a proven conservative, and his personal story embodies the American Dream. Like Marco Rubio in Florida, I am confident that Ted will inspire a new generation of leaders to stand up and defend American Exceptionalism."

- Heidi Cruz, who graduated Phi Beta Kappa with a B.A. in economics and international relations from CMC in 1994, is a vice president in the Private Wealth Management Group at Goldman Sachs, Texas. She and her two partners work with clients to implement high net worth portfolios across a range of investments and asset classes, including complex derivatives products, private equity, hedge funds, single stock risk management, U.S. and international equities, and fixed income.

- Ms. Cruz began her career as an investment banker with JPMorgan in New York, focusing on international structured finance and subsequently on Latin America mergers and acquisitions.

- In 2000, she served on the Bush 2000 Campaign in Austin as one of President George W. Bush's three economic advisors. She also served in the Administration as the economic director for the Western Hemisphere at the National Security Council at the White House, advising the President and then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice. She also is a former director at the U.S. Treasury Department and was special policy assistant to Ambassador Robert B. Zoellick, then Chief U.S. international trade negotiator.

- Heidi Cruz is a Term Member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).


I don't see him as a serious 2016 contender when he get's drilled like this in his own circles. He's mud in the water.
I used to like trumpets, now I prefer pause. "Don't move a muscle JP!"
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 26 2013 01:44 GMT
#9412
On September 26 2013 01:29 farvacola wrote:
Lol "starting to agree with him". Nice try Danglars, but we all know that your camp abandoned Christie the moment he agreed to take a walk with Obama post hurricane

It was actually when he refused to sign on with other country governors opposing Obamacare. He made a political calculation and the result soured him in many of our minds. That is not to say he is leagues ahead of McCain and Romney. Without the stands that Tea Party representatives have been making, he would've been in the front or close to it in the pool for 2016 candidates. Lee & Cruz have captured the heart of the movement, Chris Christie is yesterday's news with his hardball on unions.

On September 26 2013 05:13 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 18:42 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On September 25 2013 18:38 IgnE wrote:
He took breaks. Disqualified.


Oh, and he wasn't reading recipes from his Grandma's recipe book either or reciting the phone book. He's been talking about Obamacare this entire time.



Dude read _Green and Eggs Ham_ with no irony and was reading tweets. Stop confusing people who don't know better.

He scored a few laughs there. A few of those tweets were pretty good, "If it's bad for Congress, they have no right to force it on their constituents." Step away from the talking points and listen to a half hour of the raw speech, not just the parts others want you to characterize the whole speech by. He took apart Obamacare in all its aspects of failure.

The real crazies in the party are the birthers and their ilk. This goes for every person that can't comprehend a birth from an American citizen that was a citizen at his birth. The Council on Foreign Relations and John Birch Society types aren't big players.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
September 26 2013 01:56 GMT
#9413
On September 26 2013 10:44 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 01:29 farvacola wrote:
Lol "starting to agree with him". Nice try Danglars, but we all know that your camp abandoned Christie the moment he agreed to take a walk with Obama post hurricane

It was actually when he refused to sign on with other country governors opposing Obamacare. He made a political calculation and the result soured him in many of our minds. That is not to say he is leagues ahead of McCain and Romney. Without the stands that Tea Party representatives have been making, he would've been in the front or close to it in the pool for 2016 candidates. Lee & Cruz have captured the heart of the movement, Chris Christie is yesterday's news with his hardball on unions.

Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 05:13 IgnE wrote:
On September 25 2013 18:42 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On September 25 2013 18:38 IgnE wrote:
He took breaks. Disqualified.


Oh, and he wasn't reading recipes from his Grandma's recipe book either or reciting the phone book. He's been talking about Obamacare this entire time.



Dude read _Green and Eggs Ham_ with no irony and was reading tweets. Stop confusing people who don't know better.

He scored a few laughs there. A few of those tweets were pretty good, "If it's bad for Congress, they have no right to force it on their constituents." Step away from the talking points and listen to a half hour of the raw speech, not just the parts others want you to characterize the whole speech by. He took apart Obamacare in all its aspects of failure.

The real crazies in the party are the birthers and their ilk. This goes for every person that can't comprehend a birth from an American citizen that was a citizen at his birth. The Council on Foreign Relations and John Birch Society types aren't big players.

Well I mean you can't just write the birthers off like that. They may very well redeem themselves if they criticize a certain presidential hopeful for not being born in the U.S.
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 26 2013 02:02 GMT
#9414
I love people like Cruz. They keep the Republican party exactly where they are, which is exactly where I'd like them to stay. Where they are currently, no one can win the republican primary, which will ultimately end with an unelectable candidate. As if Hilary wasn't going to have an easy enough election, republicans continue to oppose the ACA. Keep it up!!
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
September 26 2013 02:04 GMT
#9415
Ugh Hillary is the last thing we need. Another term of Clintonites such as Summers Geithner et al will do wonders for this economy I'm sure.
MMT University is coming! http://www.mmtuniversity.org/
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
September 26 2013 02:18 GMT
#9416
fuck hilary give me elizabeth
shikata ga nai
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
September 26 2013 02:28 GMT
#9417
Now you're talking.

If Elizabeth got the nod, I'd vote mainstream for the first time since Nader's first run.
MMT University is coming! http://www.mmtuniversity.org/
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
September 26 2013 02:33 GMT
#9418
On September 26 2013 10:44 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 01:29 farvacola wrote:
Lol "starting to agree with him". Nice try Danglars, but we all know that your camp abandoned Christie the moment he agreed to take a walk with Obama post hurricane

It was actually when he refused to sign on with other country governors opposing Obamacare. He made a political calculation and the result soured him in many of our minds. That is not to say he is leagues ahead of McCain and Romney. Without the stands that Tea Party representatives have been making, he would've been in the front or close to it in the pool for 2016 candidates. Lee & Cruz have captured the heart of the movement, Chris Christie is yesterday's news with his hardball on unions.

Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 05:13 IgnE wrote:
On September 25 2013 18:42 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On September 25 2013 18:38 IgnE wrote:
He took breaks. Disqualified.


Oh, and he wasn't reading recipes from his Grandma's recipe book either or reciting the phone book. He's been talking about Obamacare this entire time.



Dude read _Green and Eggs Ham_ with no irony and was reading tweets. Stop confusing people who don't know better.

He scored a few laughs there. A few of those tweets were pretty good, "If it's bad for Congress, they have no right to force it on their constituents." Step away from the talking points and listen to a half hour of the raw speech, not just the parts others want you to characterize the whole speech by. He took apart Obamacare in all its aspects of failure.

The real crazies in the party are the birthers and their ilk. This goes for every person that can't comprehend a birth from an American citizen that was a citizen at his birth. The Council on Foreign Relations and John Birch Society types aren't big players.




@GOP Sick of our employees deluding themselves into believing they are our bosses. #MakeDCListen #KeepCruzing #DefundObamacare
— Tammy Smith (@theyhaunt1235) September 25, 2013
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 26 2013 02:40 GMT
#9419
A Clinton/Warren ticket would be amazing but unleash billions of Lobbyist/Insecure men and organized religion force.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
September 26 2013 02:41 GMT
#9420
can't win with two women on the ticket
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