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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10691 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-09 14:27:23
August 09 2016 14:26 GMT
#93601
Thats probably why they try this.... imagine 2 trumps meeting each other...
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9184 Posts
August 09 2016 14:32 GMT
#93602
On August 09 2016 23:17 ticklishmusic wrote:
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On August 09 2016 23:10 Dan HH wrote:
Hahah, Philippine congressman is trying to get Trump banned in the country



http://time.com/4444403/philippines-donald-trump-ban-terrorist-joey-salceda/


didnt the phillipines elect their own donald trump?


Compared to that guy Trump is an angel
You're now breathing manually
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 09 2016 14:36 GMT
#93603
Apparently the Republicans are now pushing to have redacted emails that had Bill Clinton’s schedule as a private citizen un-redacted because they happened to come across them in that state department investigation. Their argument is because he is a former president and the Clinton Foundation is corrupt, his schedule is not private.

I don’t know which is sadder, the fact this is still going on or the Republicans believe anyone will give a fuck. They are the boy who cried wolf and they refuse to accept it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 09 2016 14:45 GMT
#93604
On August 09 2016 21:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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#ManyPeopleAreSaying they don’t buy Trump’s claim on Iran

"Many people are saying that the Iranians killed the scientist who helped the U.S. because of Hillary Clinton's hacked emails," Donald Trump tweeted on Monday, a claim for which USA TODAY could find no evidence.

An Iranian scientist accused of providing information on his country's nuclear program to the U.S. has been executed for treason, an Iranian judiciary spokesman said Sunday. There is no evidence that the execution was related in any way to Hillary Clinton or the Democratic National Committee email hacking.

The Twitterverse quickly jumped on Trump's tweet, using the GOP presidential nominee's indisputably vague qualifier "#ManyPeopleAreSaying" to claim everything from the moon landing being fake to that Trump stole the idea of the wall from Pink Floyd

~ http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/08/08/donald-trump-iran-scientist-hillary-clinton-manypeoplearesaying/88432610/

This hashtag makes me so happy, to know that plenty of other people aren't convinced by Donald Trump's passive aggressive "I can say anything because I'm pretending to cite a group of non-existent people and not take ownership of my own statements because hey I didn't say I meant them but I'm just repeating what other people said." It's been like this since Trump was a birther, insisting that "some people" were asking questions about Obama's birth certificate. Sigh.


By all appearances Trump is still a birther, to be clear. It would also appear that thinking conservatives want to vote for a birther to be president.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15664 Posts
August 09 2016 14:48 GMT
#93605
On August 09 2016 23:36 Plansix wrote:
Apparently the Republicans are now pushing to have redacted emails that had Bill Clinton’s schedule as a private citizen un-redacted because they happened to come across them in that state department investigation. Their argument is because he is a former president and the Clinton Foundation is corrupt, his schedule is not private.

I don’t know which is sadder, the fact this is still going on or the Republicans believe anyone will give a fuck. They are the boy who cried wolf and they refuse to accept it.


It will be interesting to see if there is a point at which these sorts of investigations end as a result of Republicans not actually wanting Trump to be president. I think we are still in for some heavy distancing from Trump. Trump doesn't have a mechanism of recovering from being behind because his message only works when he's winning. I think if Trump doesn't make gains this month, people will be unofficially ditching him.

I really think the FEC filings are going to be damning. I get the feeling his fundraising has absolutely plummeted this month. His July fundraising was in the midst of his convention whereas things have totally flipped since then. I imagine people are less likely to donate to someone who is really far behind. I also imagine people are generally really hesitant to donate to him right now for plenty of other reasons. People have got to be getting pretty skeptical. And now with reports of republican donors giving to Clinton...I really think this is Trump's last month to recover. He can't go into September down a solid 10%+.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
August 09 2016 14:49 GMT
#93606
Counting someone out too early is a mistake, even someone as crazy as Trump; elections can do funny things in the final months.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 09 2016 14:53 GMT
#93607
The Democrats are also reminding people of that. We still have the debates and several other events before November. There is always a slim chance that Trump will do well in a debate. Though doubt he will be able to stand up to Clinton because its not like she is going to pull any punches. The issues that Trump true believers didn’t care about are back in play in these debate.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 09 2016 15:33 GMT
#93608
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Wew lad
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CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
August 09 2016 15:41 GMT
#93609
Just make sure people realize they still have to vote.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44243 Posts
August 09 2016 16:13 GMT
#93610
On August 10 2016 00:33 ticklishmusic wrote:
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Wew lad


Do these percentages account for those who are likely to vote third party? Or is this only a hypothetical head to head?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 09 2016 16:17 GMT
#93611
On August 10 2016 01:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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On August 10 2016 00:33 ticklishmusic wrote:
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Wew lad


Do these percentages account for those who are likely to vote third party? Or is this only a hypothetical head to head?

Yes. He always accounts for that. Johnson is at .01%.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44243 Posts
August 09 2016 16:22 GMT
#93612
On August 10 2016 01:17 Plansix wrote:
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On August 10 2016 01:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 10 2016 00:33 ticklishmusic wrote:
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Wew lad


Do these percentages account for those who are likely to vote third party? Or is this only a hypothetical head to head?

Yes. He always accounts for that. Johnson is at .01%.


Gotcha. It seems that Stein will have no effect whatsoever on the election, but perhaps there's a small chance that Johnson takes enough Trump votes away in a swing state for it to help Clinton a tiny bit.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 09 2016 16:35 GMT
#93613
On August 10 2016 01:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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On August 10 2016 01:17 Plansix wrote:
On August 10 2016 01:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 10 2016 00:33 ticklishmusic wrote:
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Wew lad


Do these percentages account for those who are likely to vote third party? Or is this only a hypothetical head to head?

Yes. He always accounts for that. Johnson is at .01%.


Gotcha. It seems that Stein will have no effect whatsoever on the election, but perhaps there's a small chance that Johnson takes enough Trump votes away in a swing state for it to help Clinton a tiny bit.

The media is now shifting into the phase where they are trying to make the election more interesting than it might really be. Or more interesting to people who have already decided. Nate Silver already did his traditional election write up explaining the reports of "skewed polls".

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polls-arent-skewed-trump-really-is-losing-badly/
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7884 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-09 17:16:50
August 09 2016 17:14 GMT
#93614
The NYT Editorial Board analysis of Trump's fantastic tax and economic plan.

Here

Donald Trump said on Monday that he wanted to usher in “economic renewal,” but most of his proposals would hurt the economy, rack up huge deficits, accelerate climate change and leave the country isolated from the world.

In a speech billed as a blueprint for stimulating growth and creating jobs, Mr. Trump offered a grab bag of ideas that borrow from discredited supply-side economics, the fossil fuel industry’s wish list and “America First” isolationism. He also criticized Hillary Clinton and President Obama for what he called their “job-killing, tax-raising, poverty-inducing” agenda. It was vintage Trump, full of promises of greatness and victories backed by fantastical proposals.

Mr. Trump told the Detroit Economic Club that he would cut taxes to an extent not seen since Ronald Reagan was in the White House. He said he would slash the corporate tax rate to 15 percent, arguing that the current statutory 35 percent is one of the highest among developed countries. He did not mention that the average effective corporate tax rate was 18.1 percent in 2015, including state and local taxes, according to the White House and the Treasury Department. He claims he would help workers by getting rid of the estate tax, though repealing it would have almost no effect on working families. Under current law, that tax doesn’t touch 99.8 percent of all estates because it applies only to that portion of an estate that exceeds $5.4 million for an individual or $10.9 million for a married couple.

The big problem with Mr. Trump’s tax ideas is that they would leave a multitrillion-dollar deficit for no benefit. Proponents of supply-side economics argue that cutting tax rates encourages people to work and businesses to invest. But the gains are much more modest than proponents claim because many businesses won’t invest unless demand for their products is growing and many people are not motivated by lower tax rates to work more.

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On the other hand, significant tax cuts exact very real costs. Mr. Trump’s previous tax plan, released last year, would have reduced federal revenue by $9.5 trillion over 10 years, according to the Tax Policy Center, meaning that Mr. Trump would have to slash government spending or increase borrowing substantially. George W. Bush pushed big tax cuts through Congress in 2001 and 2003 with the promises of strong growth that never materialized.

Mr. Trump also promises to take a machete to existing federal regulations and put a moratorium on new rules. He wants to get rid of environmental policies that he says are driving up the cost of electricity by restricting the production and use of coal and other fossil fuels. In fact, electricity rates, adjusted for inflation, have increased just 2.2 percent, to 12.82 cents per kilowatt-hour, from 2008 to 2015 and are expected to decline to 12.64 cents this year, according to the federal Energy Information Administration.

Increasing fossil fuel production, and the carbon dioxide emissions associated with it, is exactly the wrong strategy at a time when the world has become increasingly concerned about global warming and its disastrous consequences. But this is of little concern to Mr. Trump, who has dismissed climate change as a hoax and whose “energy revolution,” as he outlined it on Monday, made no mention of carbon-free renewable energy sources.

On trade, Mr. Trump renewed his pledge to kill the Trans-Pacific Partnership, an agreement that Mr. Obama negotiated with 11 countries. Mr. Trump claims he can bring back millions of manufacturing jobs to the United States by slapping retaliatory tariffs against China for manipulating its currency, offering illegal subsidies to its exporters and stealing intellectual property from American companies. But such actions would do nothing to recreate jobs that have been replaced by automation, and companies could move production to other developing countries. Mr. Trump’s earlier pledge to put a 45 percent tariff on all Chinese goods would almost certainly start a trade war that would harm American industries that export goods to China.

Mr. Trump considers himself a businessman, uniquely capable of improving the economy. But this list of misguided and risky proposals would reduce economic growth while showering the rich with tax breaks.

To Trumpers out there, what is your rational for supporting him at that point?
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 09 2016 17:21 GMT
#93615
Every tax plan ever by the Republicans is ultimately unviable. But the corporations are happy so it's all well and good.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-09 17:26:32
August 09 2016 17:26 GMT
#93616
Every working parent has an estate worth at least 5 million bucks. Obviously.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 09 2016 17:26 GMT
#93617
I love tax cuts for those who are already making millions. Of course they won't just pack away the money and will spend it on making new jobs. I best they would also raise my salary if the mean goverment didn't tax them so much.

Seriously, that thing does nothing for me. Offers me nothing, provide me with nothing and does nothing to assure I will have a job in 4-8 years.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-09 17:30:08
August 09 2016 17:28 GMT
#93618
69% of Trump supporters think the election will be rigged. I'm legitimately a bit worried about violence from that group when he loses.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/poll-69-of-trump-supporters-think-that-when-clinton-wins-it-will-be-because-it-was-rigged/
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
August 09 2016 17:30 GMT
#93619
The notion that a robust and progressive tax code actually helps stabilize and support "free market" dynamics elsewhere in the economy is incredibly foreign to Republicans. In that sense, Trump is as mainstream as it gets.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 09 2016 17:31 GMT
#93620
On August 10 2016 02:26 Plansix wrote:
I love tax cuts for those who are already making millions. Of course they won't just pack away the money and will spend it on making new jobs. I best they would also raise my salary if the mean goverment didn't tax them so much.

Reminds me of this cartoon.
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