US Politics Mega-thread - Page 4491

On July 27 2016 05:06 zeo wrote:
edit: tbh he should have just left quietly. Endorsing her is getting embarrassing.

On July 27 2016 05:30 Dan HH wrote:

Why is it embarrassing? He explained very eloquently why he doesn't want a Trump presidency. Embarrasing would be to put his actual thoughts aside in order to pander to his loudest fans.

On July 27 2016 05:32 LegalLord wrote:

Possible, and we don't know for sure, but I sense it's more than that. It's a significant reversal from his earlier position that Hillary will have to play her own part in winning over his supporters.

On July 27 2016 05:35 Plansix wrote:

To be honest, it is partly his fault for allowing his supporters to demonize her for so long and not giving them realistic expectations. And demonizing her himself. Obama v Clinton was super nasty up until the convention, but everyone operated under the understanding that whoever won was the only way forward.

And some of them are just babies.

On July 27 2016 05:38 Gorsameth wrote:

Didn't Obama draw on a fair few new idealistic voters? I think the only reason we didn't see similar things happening in 2008 was because Obama won instead of Hillary.

If Bernie had won this time I'm pretty sure the Hillary crowd would have fallen in line without all this mess. It is the nature of the losing voters, not the campaign itself.

On July 27 2016 05:44 Plansix wrote:

I think we would have seen a similar sort of fall out. But the key with that one is that neither side was trying to display the other as corrupt or rigging the system, so they would have come together. Obama never made that argument, even though the DNC favored Clinton by a lot. People forget that it was Bill who gave a powerful speech during the convention telling the DNC that he and the party were putting their faith in Obama.

But Bernie isn’t a democrat. He sat this stuff out every election and it shows. He wasn’t prepared to have to rally his supporters behind someone else. And they were not prepared to have to do it to accomplish what he wants.

On July 27 2016 05:45 xDaunt wrote:
The underlying problem with Democrat/Progressive unity is Hillary herself. Looking at the situation in the light most favorable to her, she lacks the charisma to unify the party like Obama did after that nasty primary. Looking at the situation a little more realistically, she clearly is unlikable to a large chunk of the Democrat base, which makes it very difficult to rally behind her.

On July 27 2016 05:47 Doodsmack wrote:


Donald Trump makes it very easy to rally.

On July 27 2016 05:45 xDaunt wrote:
The underlying problem with Democrat/Progressive unity is Hillary herself. Looking at the situation in the light most favorable to her, she lacks the charisma to unify the party like Obama did after that nasty primary. Looking at the situation a little more realistically, she clearly is unlikable to a large chunk of the Democrat base, which makes it very difficult to rally behind her.

On July 27 2016 05:48 xDaunt wrote:

That theory hasn't worked out so well thus far.

On July 27 2016 05:48 xDaunt wrote:

That theory hasn't worked out so well thus far.

On July 27 2016 05:48 xDaunt wrote:

That theory hasn't worked out so well thus far.

On July 27 2016 05:55 zeo wrote:
Roll call coming up, if drama is going to happen its going to happen now.

On July 27 2016 05:52 Mohdoo wrote:

People can be livid about Sanders and still vote for Clinton. As an Oregonian, this is basically the case everywhere, especially in Portland. I don't know how to fully convey just how bad people think trump is. People see him as Hitler. People are mad, pissed even that they have to vote Clinton. They are quick to point out Clinton is awful and the worst but that electing trump is just beyond reasonable. Impossible even for them.