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On July 27 2016 04:34 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 04:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 04:11 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 04:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 04:00 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 03:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:
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Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one.
And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check If we go back to what started this, it was a claim that Donald Trump wants to reduce voter rights by enforcing that only citizens vote, either through a Voter ID or some other means of identification as a citizen. Most rational people take no offense with this. We do not need additional accommodation laws for people who forget their id's at home, that is a no-brainer. What he's suggesting here is in no way a 'reduction in voter's rights'. It seems to me the only criticism is that coming across a valid government ID, like a driver's license, as a requirement to vote is too difficult for poor people to obtain over the course of 4 years. 1) There was no racism in my post. You're still lazy and dishonest when it comes to posting. 2) You are the one supporting laws that will restrict people's ability to exercise their constitutional right to vote. Therefore the onus is on you to provide a justification for this. "Because it makes sense" is NOT a justification, and for the 8th time, "voter fraud" is a load of shit. So until you can come up with a justifiable reason to limit someone's constitutional right, you've got no point. You attacked him for 'white privilege' among other things as a means of dismissing him and silencing his ability to respond because he's 'white privileged' I don't support laws that restrict anyone's ability to vote. I think all citizens should have the right to vote. Continue flaming people and making shit up and calling me lazy and dishonest About the point that voter fraud doesn't exist, that's like saying 'I lock my door and no one breaks into my home. Therefore, why do I keep locking my door? I'm locking my door to prevent a crime that doesn't exist. I should just stop locking my door.' Stop fucking flaming people Oh man lmao. When someone is exercising their ignorance due to white privilege, and they're called out on it, that's not racism. Are you kidding me -.-' this quote should be put in the tumblr hall of fame. Next time I see a black person ill say due to them being uneducated, they are clearly exercising their ignorance due to black underprivilege. I'll make sure to call him out on it! definitely won't be racist as I now can see. On July 27 2016 03:56 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:48 zlefin wrote:
Ah, the hypocrisy of people pushing for more government regulation of something that's not an actual problem while oft complaining about their being needless and wasteful government regulation. (not sure which people this applies to as I'm not sure which people here complained about the latter) Good point. It always makes me facepalm when I hear from Republicans that they're for smaller government/ keeping the government out of our business. Yeah, except for restricting marriage licenses, what women can do with their bodies, voting opportunities, the right to practice Islam or atheism, ensuring only science is taught in science class, etc. At least Democrats are forthcoming with the idea that the federal government has a role to play in society. it always makes me facepalm when I see people complain about racism but then approve of any racism towards white people. Here's an example of racism against white people: A white guy innocently walks down the street, and a few black guys across the street decide to call the white guy names and/ or beat him up because he's white. This is not an example of racism against white people: Person 1: Blacks should stop crying about what they have to deal with on a daily basis. It's not that bad.
Person 2: Excuse me, Person 1, but you're white and apparently not aware of the prejudice that blacks have to deal with on a daily basis, despite the fact that it's well-documented, historic, and systemic. Your position of ignorance and dismissal of other people's racial struggles is something called white privilege; you are fortunate enough to not need to deal with these experiences that others deal with, but you shouldn't belittle them. Learn the difference. thats your made up tumblr version of what racism is. I didn't make up the term racism or white privilege, and they're well understood in sociological contexts. I strongly recommend some general reading on the subject of the latter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege There are ~150 additional citations at the bottom of that page, if you're interested in learning more. On July 27 2016 04:12 DeepElemBlues wrote:Person 2: Excuse me, Person 1, but you're white and apparently not aware of the prejudice that blacks have to deal with on a daily basis, despite the fact that it's well-documented, historic, and systemic. Your position of ignorance and dismissal of other people's racial struggles is something called white privilege; you are fortunate enough to not need to deal with these experiences that others deal with, but you shouldn't belittle them. That is 100% racist though. White privilege as currently defined in contemporary political discourse is racial original sin and collective guilt wrapped into one. Racist as hell. They could avoid this by dropping the bullshit and going back to what it actually is and what it used to be called: discrimination. White privilege is discrimination by and for whites. Simple as that. Drop the racist pop pyschology about how whites can't understand or cannot have the proper empathy and all the other racist bullshit that is simply a way to tell white people to shut up and accept the political opinions of non-whites as superior. White people absolutely can be empathetic towards other races, but to be immediately dismissive and assume that minorities are overstating their well-documented issues of dealing with prejudice is a position of blissful ignorance. No one is saying that non-whites are superior; in fact, the point is that non-whites are frequently viewed as automatically inferior due to bigotry. wew lad trying to rewrite extremely easy to look up clear cut things, interesting racism ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/Submit noun the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. There is no picking and choosing, it is all negative/positive bias aka my definition, not your made up one.
The meaning of words is not set in stone and citing a dictionary isn’t going to win this argument. The discussion of privilege within a demographic and region is completely valid and real. Privilege is regional and based on the dominate demographic in that culture. White privilege does not exist in Japan. But is very real in the US.
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On July 27 2016 04:37 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 04:34 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 04:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 04:11 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 04:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 04:00 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 03:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
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Racism: check
Insulting: check
Broad claims with no support: check
More insults: check
If we go back to what started this, it was a claim that Donald Trump wants to reduce voter rights by enforcing that only citizens vote, either through a Voter ID or some other means of identification as a citizen.
Most rational people take no offense with this. We do not need additional accommodation laws for people who forget their id's at home, that is a no-brainer.
What he's suggesting here is in no way a 'reduction in voter's rights'.
It seems to me the only criticism is that coming across a valid government ID, like a driver's license, as a requirement to vote is too difficult for poor people to obtain over the course of 4 years. 1) There was no racism in my post. You're still lazy and dishonest when it comes to posting. 2) You are the one supporting laws that will restrict people's ability to exercise their constitutional right to vote. Therefore the onus is on you to provide a justification for this. "Because it makes sense" is NOT a justification, and for the 8th time, "voter fraud" is a load of shit. So until you can come up with a justifiable reason to limit someone's constitutional right, you've got no point. You attacked him for 'white privilege' among other things as a means of dismissing him and silencing his ability to respond because he's 'white privileged' I don't support laws that restrict anyone's ability to vote. I think all citizens should have the right to vote. Continue flaming people and making shit up and calling me lazy and dishonest About the point that voter fraud doesn't exist, that's like saying 'I lock my door and no one breaks into my home. Therefore, why do I keep locking my door? I'm locking my door to prevent a crime that doesn't exist. I should just stop locking my door.' Stop fucking flaming people Oh man lmao. When someone is exercising their ignorance due to white privilege, and they're called out on it, that's not racism. Are you kidding me -.-' this quote should be put in the tumblr hall of fame. Next time I see a black person ill say due to them being uneducated, they are clearly exercising their ignorance due to black underprivilege. I'll make sure to call him out on it! definitely won't be racist as I now can see. On July 27 2016 03:56 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:48 zlefin wrote:
Ah, the hypocrisy of people pushing for more government regulation of something that's not an actual problem while oft complaining about their being needless and wasteful government regulation. (not sure which people this applies to as I'm not sure which people here complained about the latter) Good point. It always makes me facepalm when I hear from Republicans that they're for smaller government/ keeping the government out of our business. Yeah, except for restricting marriage licenses, what women can do with their bodies, voting opportunities, the right to practice Islam or atheism, ensuring only science is taught in science class, etc. At least Democrats are forthcoming with the idea that the federal government has a role to play in society. it always makes me facepalm when I see people complain about racism but then approve of any racism towards white people. Here's an example of racism against white people: A white guy innocently walks down the street, and a few black guys across the street decide to call the white guy names and/ or beat him up because he's white. This is not an example of racism against white people: Person 1: Blacks should stop crying about what they have to deal with on a daily basis. It's not that bad.
Person 2: Excuse me, Person 1, but you're white and apparently not aware of the prejudice that blacks have to deal with on a daily basis, despite the fact that it's well-documented, historic, and systemic. Your position of ignorance and dismissal of other people's racial struggles is something called white privilege; you are fortunate enough to not need to deal with these experiences that others deal with, but you shouldn't belittle them. Learn the difference. thats your made up tumblr version of what racism is. I didn't make up the term racism or white privilege, and they're well understood in sociological contexts. I strongly recommend some general reading on the subject of the latter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege There are ~150 additional citations at the bottom of that page, if you're interested in learning more. On July 27 2016 04:12 DeepElemBlues wrote:Person 2: Excuse me, Person 1, but you're white and apparently not aware of the prejudice that blacks have to deal with on a daily basis, despite the fact that it's well-documented, historic, and systemic. Your position of ignorance and dismissal of other people's racial struggles is something called white privilege; you are fortunate enough to not need to deal with these experiences that others deal with, but you shouldn't belittle them. That is 100% racist though. White privilege as currently defined in contemporary political discourse is racial original sin and collective guilt wrapped into one. Racist as hell. They could avoid this by dropping the bullshit and going back to what it actually is and what it used to be called: discrimination. White privilege is discrimination by and for whites. Simple as that. Drop the racist pop pyschology about how whites can't understand or cannot have the proper empathy and all the other racist bullshit that is simply a way to tell white people to shut up and accept the political opinions of non-whites as superior. White people absolutely can be empathetic towards other races, but to be immediately dismissive and assume that minorities are overstating their well-documented issues of dealing with prejudice is a position of blissful ignorance. No one is saying that non-whites are superior; in fact, the point is that non-whites are frequently viewed as automatically inferior due to bigotry. wew lad trying to rewrite extremely easy to look up clear cut things, interesting racism ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/Submit noun the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. There is no picking and choosing, it is all negative/positive bias aka my definition, not your made up one. The meaning of words is not set in stone and citing a dictionary isn’t going to win this argument. The discussion of privilege within a demographic and region is completely valid and real. Privilege is regional and based on the dominate demographic in that culture. White privilege does not exist in Japan. But is very real in the US.
ok so your position is words dont mean anything. guess ill just use the N word whenever I feel like it, its meaning isnt set in stone right?
I was just talking about my oatmeal guys!
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Can we please not have the white guilt seminar again
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On July 27 2016 04:34 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 04:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 04:11 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 04:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 04:00 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 03:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:
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Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one.
And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check If we go back to what started this, it was a claim that Donald Trump wants to reduce voter rights by enforcing that only citizens vote, either through a Voter ID or some other means of identification as a citizen. Most rational people take no offense with this. We do not need additional accommodation laws for people who forget their id's at home, that is a no-brainer. What he's suggesting here is in no way a 'reduction in voter's rights'. It seems to me the only criticism is that coming across a valid government ID, like a driver's license, as a requirement to vote is too difficult for poor people to obtain over the course of 4 years. 1) There was no racism in my post. You're still lazy and dishonest when it comes to posting. 2) You are the one supporting laws that will restrict people's ability to exercise their constitutional right to vote. Therefore the onus is on you to provide a justification for this. "Because it makes sense" is NOT a justification, and for the 8th time, "voter fraud" is a load of shit. So until you can come up with a justifiable reason to limit someone's constitutional right, you've got no point. You attacked him for 'white privilege' among other things as a means of dismissing him and silencing his ability to respond because he's 'white privileged' I don't support laws that restrict anyone's ability to vote. I think all citizens should have the right to vote. Continue flaming people and making shit up and calling me lazy and dishonest About the point that voter fraud doesn't exist, that's like saying 'I lock my door and no one breaks into my home. Therefore, why do I keep locking my door? I'm locking my door to prevent a crime that doesn't exist. I should just stop locking my door.' Stop fucking flaming people Oh man lmao. When someone is exercising their ignorance due to white privilege, and they're called out on it, that's not racism. Are you kidding me -.-' this quote should be put in the tumblr hall of fame. Next time I see a black person ill say due to them being uneducated, they are clearly exercising their ignorance due to black underprivilege. I'll make sure to call him out on it! definitely won't be racist as I now can see. On July 27 2016 03:56 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:48 zlefin wrote:
Ah, the hypocrisy of people pushing for more government regulation of something that's not an actual problem while oft complaining about their being needless and wasteful government regulation. (not sure which people this applies to as I'm not sure which people here complained about the latter) Good point. It always makes me facepalm when I hear from Republicans that they're for smaller government/ keeping the government out of our business. Yeah, except for restricting marriage licenses, what women can do with their bodies, voting opportunities, the right to practice Islam or atheism, ensuring only science is taught in science class, etc. At least Democrats are forthcoming with the idea that the federal government has a role to play in society. it always makes me facepalm when I see people complain about racism but then approve of any racism towards white people. Here's an example of racism against white people: A white guy innocently walks down the street, and a few black guys across the street decide to call the white guy names and/ or beat him up because he's white. This is not an example of racism against white people: Person 1: Blacks should stop crying about what they have to deal with on a daily basis. It's not that bad.
Person 2: Excuse me, Person 1, but you're white and apparently not aware of the prejudice that blacks have to deal with on a daily basis, despite the fact that it's well-documented, historic, and systemic. Your position of ignorance and dismissal of other people's racial struggles is something called white privilege; you are fortunate enough to not need to deal with these experiences that others deal with, but you shouldn't belittle them. Learn the difference. thats your made up tumblr version of what racism is. I didn't make up the term racism or white privilege, and they're well understood in sociological contexts. I strongly recommend some general reading on the subject of the latter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege There are ~150 additional citations at the bottom of that page, if you're interested in learning more. On July 27 2016 04:12 DeepElemBlues wrote:Person 2: Excuse me, Person 1, but you're white and apparently not aware of the prejudice that blacks have to deal with on a daily basis, despite the fact that it's well-documented, historic, and systemic. Your position of ignorance and dismissal of other people's racial struggles is something called white privilege; you are fortunate enough to not need to deal with these experiences that others deal with, but you shouldn't belittle them. That is 100% racist though. White privilege as currently defined in contemporary political discourse is racial original sin and collective guilt wrapped into one. Racist as hell. They could avoid this by dropping the bullshit and going back to what it actually is and what it used to be called: discrimination. White privilege is discrimination by and for whites. Simple as that. Drop the racist pop pyschology about how whites can't understand or cannot have the proper empathy and all the other racist bullshit that is simply a way to tell white people to shut up and accept the political opinions of non-whites as superior. White people absolutely can be empathetic towards other races, but to be immediately dismissive and assume that minorities are overstating their well-documented issues of dealing with prejudice is a position of blissful ignorance. No one is saying that non-whites are superior; in fact, the point is that non-whites are frequently viewed as automatically inferior due to bigotry. wew lad trying to rewrite extremely easy to look up clear cut things, interesting racism ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/Submit noun the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. There is no picking and choosing, it is all negative/positive bias aka my definition, not your made up one.
I didn't make up one, but it's frustrating that you don't understand how calling out someone's blatant racism isn't inherently racist. You're trying to argue semantics at this point, between an obviously racist action and a statement that is actually laying down a factual, sociologically-prevalent reason why a person of one race is being dismissive of a person of another race. That's why it's so important to understand that privilege exists, so that you don't equivocate.
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On July 27 2016 04:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 04:04 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 27 2016 04:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:56 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:46 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:43 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:
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Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one.
And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check If we go back to what started this, it was a claim that Donald Trump wants to reduce voter rights by enforcing that only citizens vote, either through a Voter ID or some other means of identification as a citizen. Most rational people take no offense with this. We do not need additional accommodation laws for people who forget their id's at home, that is a no-brainer. What he's suggesting here is in no way a 'reduction in voter's rights'. It seems to me the only criticism is that coming across a valid government ID, like a driver's license, as a requirement to vote is too difficult for poor people to obtain over the course of 4 years. No, the original claim was that Donald Trump wants to stop same-day voting registration (which does limit voting rights). It had nothing to do with voter ID. In fact he doesn't even endorse requiring an ID particularly, just a method to stop non-citizens from voting. How does that limit voting rights? You have months/years between elections to register to vote. Because it denies people the right to vote for no reason? Requiring people register to vote before election day doesn't deny them the right to vote. That isn’t a reason. You need a reason to deny someone the ability to vote. If they meet all the requirements to vote, the state must allow it. You don't need a reason to deny a non-citizen voting privileges. Voting laws are meant to ensure the person voting is an actual citizen of your country. When we have millions of illegals living in the country, that is pretty important. If you're arguing that the GOP is putting forward bad voting laws, that is an entirely different argument than 'you shouldn't require an ID to vote'. How does allowing same-day voting with provisional ballots make it any harder or easier to stop non-citizens from voting, exactly? That's part of what we're discussing remember. I'm going to describe my ideal voting system. Citizens can vote. You register to vote prior to election day. You show proof of citizenship on election day and vote. There You register prior to election day because voting stations are already undermanned and extremely congested in election day. Having everyone registered to vote who is going to vote beforehand just makes the entire bureaucratic process smoother for everyone. You show proof of citizenship because it is something all citizens have. There is no negative to showing citizenship and it prevents voter fraud. We have millions of non-citizens in the U.S. and this is a precautionary measure with no downside. ~~~~~~ I've already given my reasons to why I think you should register to vote prior to election day. You have months, years to do this. It is very easy to register to vote. The criticism seems to be that 'it is not easy to register to vote, therefore I should be allowed to register on election day'If the problem is that going from legal undocumented to legal documented, then that's a separate issue. You should get it done prior to election day. If we want to talk about how to make it easier to register to vote, that's not an issue I have problem with discussing but it's completely separate from registering to vote on election day and the problems that brings with it. Allowing you to register to vote on the day you want to vote is just procrastination and not a solution to the problem. Just be responsible and register to vote sometime within the years prior to the election. Another criticism is that "it's too hard for the poor to get valid proof of citizenship/voter ID"Saying 'scrap proof of citizenship/voter ID' seems like the irrational solution to this problem. The solution should be to make it easier to get access to these documents. You still should require proof citizenship/voter ID to vote. And finally, saying 'there is no widespread case of voter fraud, therefore we should abandon all means to combat it' is the last criticism I find unsavory. It's a direct result of adopting bad solutions to the two above problems, rather than more rational solutions. Just because a crime isn't occurring doesn't mean you should abandon all measures to prevent it from happening, especially when those measures ought to be relatively easy to implement. Essentially, rather than scrapping these laws and measures that exist to prevent voter fraud and make the bureaucratic process easier for everyone because 'it's too hard to follow them for some people because it is unfairly difficult to follow for the poor', the laws ought to be changed such that this isn't a problem. We should focus on improving them rather than arguing they are 'racist and should be abandoned'.
In my prior post i clearly indicated that not everyone has months or years to register. There are plenty of situations like moving where you need to modify your registration and if you happen to be too busy to register that should not preclude you from voting. Most people working menial jobs dont have the luxury of paid time off or even sick days to go register.
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On July 27 2016 04:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I honestly don't get why presidential election day isn't a national holiday anyways.
It would help if every state had advance ballots
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On July 27 2016 04:23 KwarK wrote:
But if people with a different skin colour to me are saying that they can't get IDs very easily then it's really not much help to them if I interrupt with "but I can, it's not hard" as if that helps their problem.
To be fair, at least some of the backlash is not against minorities saying they have these problems, but white SJWs claiming that minorities have them, whether or not the minority groups themselves also claim to have them or not.
On July 27 2016 04:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Can we please not have the white guilt seminar again
Please
Yes please.
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On July 27 2016 04:38 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 04:37 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 04:34 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 04:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 04:11 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 04:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 04:00 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 03:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:
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1) There was no racism in my post. You're still lazy and dishonest when it comes to posting.
2) You are the one supporting laws that will restrict people's ability to exercise their constitutional right to vote. Therefore the onus is on you to provide a justification for this. "Because it makes sense" is NOT a justification, and for the 8th time, "voter fraud" is a load of shit.
So until you can come up with a justifiable reason to limit someone's constitutional right, you've got no point. You attacked him for 'white privilege' among other things as a means of dismissing him and silencing his ability to respond because he's 'white privileged' I don't support laws that restrict anyone's ability to vote. I think all citizens should have the right to vote. Continue flaming people and making shit up and calling me lazy and dishonest About the point that voter fraud doesn't exist, that's like saying 'I lock my door and no one breaks into my home. Therefore, why do I keep locking my door? I'm locking my door to prevent a crime that doesn't exist. I should just stop locking my door.' Stop fucking flaming people Oh man lmao. When someone is exercising their ignorance due to white privilege, and they're called out on it, that's not racism. Are you kidding me -.-' this quote should be put in the tumblr hall of fame. Next time I see a black person ill say due to them being uneducated, they are clearly exercising their ignorance due to black underprivilege. I'll make sure to call him out on it! definitely won't be racist as I now can see. On July 27 2016 03:56 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:48 zlefin wrote:
Ah, the hypocrisy of people pushing for more government regulation of something that's not an actual problem while oft complaining about their being needless and wasteful government regulation. (not sure which people this applies to as I'm not sure which people here complained about the latter) Good point. It always makes me facepalm when I hear from Republicans that they're for smaller government/ keeping the government out of our business. Yeah, except for restricting marriage licenses, what women can do with their bodies, voting opportunities, the right to practice Islam or atheism, ensuring only science is taught in science class, etc. At least Democrats are forthcoming with the idea that the federal government has a role to play in society. it always makes me facepalm when I see people complain about racism but then approve of any racism towards white people. Here's an example of racism against white people: A white guy innocently walks down the street, and a few black guys across the street decide to call the white guy names and/ or beat him up because he's white. This is not an example of racism against white people: Person 1: Blacks should stop crying about what they have to deal with on a daily basis. It's not that bad.
Person 2: Excuse me, Person 1, but you're white and apparently not aware of the prejudice that blacks have to deal with on a daily basis, despite the fact that it's well-documented, historic, and systemic. Your position of ignorance and dismissal of other people's racial struggles is something called white privilege; you are fortunate enough to not need to deal with these experiences that others deal with, but you shouldn't belittle them. Learn the difference. thats your made up tumblr version of what racism is. I didn't make up the term racism or white privilege, and they're well understood in sociological contexts. I strongly recommend some general reading on the subject of the latter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege There are ~150 additional citations at the bottom of that page, if you're interested in learning more. On July 27 2016 04:12 DeepElemBlues wrote:Person 2: Excuse me, Person 1, but you're white and apparently not aware of the prejudice that blacks have to deal with on a daily basis, despite the fact that it's well-documented, historic, and systemic. Your position of ignorance and dismissal of other people's racial struggles is something called white privilege; you are fortunate enough to not need to deal with these experiences that others deal with, but you shouldn't belittle them. That is 100% racist though. White privilege as currently defined in contemporary political discourse is racial original sin and collective guilt wrapped into one. Racist as hell. They could avoid this by dropping the bullshit and going back to what it actually is and what it used to be called: discrimination. White privilege is discrimination by and for whites. Simple as that. Drop the racist pop pyschology about how whites can't understand or cannot have the proper empathy and all the other racist bullshit that is simply a way to tell white people to shut up and accept the political opinions of non-whites as superior. White people absolutely can be empathetic towards other races, but to be immediately dismissive and assume that minorities are overstating their well-documented issues of dealing with prejudice is a position of blissful ignorance. No one is saying that non-whites are superior; in fact, the point is that non-whites are frequently viewed as automatically inferior due to bigotry. wew lad trying to rewrite extremely easy to look up clear cut things, interesting racism ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/Submit noun the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. There is no picking and choosing, it is all negative/positive bias aka my definition, not your made up one. The meaning of words is not set in stone and citing a dictionary isn’t going to win this argument. The discussion of privilege within a demographic and region is completely valid and real. Privilege is regional and based on the dominate demographic in that culture. White privilege does not exist in Japan. But is very real in the US. ok so your position is words dont mean anything. guess ill just use the N word whenever I feel like it, its meaning isnt set in stone right?
Ok, so you do realize that the word you just cited has different meanings based on who uses it and who they are saying it to, right?
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On July 27 2016 04:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Can we please not have the white guilt seminar again
Please
Weren't you the person who started attacking someone for being racist? I think you were the first person to bring it up in the conversation o.O That's what happens lol.
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On July 27 2016 04:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I honestly don't get why presidential election day isn't a national holiday anyways.
Personally I mail my vote in. It's a lot less hassle than waiting in line on Election Day.
Not a fix, but helpful to be sure.
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On July 27 2016 04:40 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 04:38 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 04:37 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 04:34 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 04:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 04:11 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 04:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 04:00 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 03:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
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You attacked him for 'white privilege' among other things as a means of dismissing him and silencing his ability to respond because he's 'white privileged'
I don't support laws that restrict anyone's ability to vote. I think all citizens should have the right to vote. Continue flaming people and making shit up and calling me lazy and dishonest
About the point that voter fraud doesn't exist, that's like saying 'I lock my door and no one breaks into my home. Therefore, why do I keep locking my door? I'm locking my door to prevent a crime that doesn't exist. I should just stop locking my door.'
Stop fucking flaming people Oh man lmao. When someone is exercising their ignorance due to white privilege, and they're called out on it, that's not racism. Are you kidding me -.-' this quote should be put in the tumblr hall of fame. Next time I see a black person ill say due to them being uneducated, they are clearly exercising their ignorance due to black underprivilege. I'll make sure to call him out on it! definitely won't be racist as I now can see. On July 27 2016 03:56 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:48 zlefin wrote:
Ah, the hypocrisy of people pushing for more government regulation of something that's not an actual problem while oft complaining about their being needless and wasteful government regulation. (not sure which people this applies to as I'm not sure which people here complained about the latter) Good point. It always makes me facepalm when I hear from Republicans that they're for smaller government/ keeping the government out of our business. Yeah, except for restricting marriage licenses, what women can do with their bodies, voting opportunities, the right to practice Islam or atheism, ensuring only science is taught in science class, etc. At least Democrats are forthcoming with the idea that the federal government has a role to play in society. it always makes me facepalm when I see people complain about racism but then approve of any racism towards white people. Here's an example of racism against white people: A white guy innocently walks down the street, and a few black guys across the street decide to call the white guy names and/ or beat him up because he's white. This is not an example of racism against white people: Person 1: Blacks should stop crying about what they have to deal with on a daily basis. It's not that bad.
Person 2: Excuse me, Person 1, but you're white and apparently not aware of the prejudice that blacks have to deal with on a daily basis, despite the fact that it's well-documented, historic, and systemic. Your position of ignorance and dismissal of other people's racial struggles is something called white privilege; you are fortunate enough to not need to deal with these experiences that others deal with, but you shouldn't belittle them. Learn the difference. thats your made up tumblr version of what racism is. I didn't make up the term racism or white privilege, and they're well understood in sociological contexts. I strongly recommend some general reading on the subject of the latter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege There are ~150 additional citations at the bottom of that page, if you're interested in learning more. On July 27 2016 04:12 DeepElemBlues wrote:Person 2: Excuse me, Person 1, but you're white and apparently not aware of the prejudice that blacks have to deal with on a daily basis, despite the fact that it's well-documented, historic, and systemic. Your position of ignorance and dismissal of other people's racial struggles is something called white privilege; you are fortunate enough to not need to deal with these experiences that others deal with, but you shouldn't belittle them. That is 100% racist though. White privilege as currently defined in contemporary political discourse is racial original sin and collective guilt wrapped into one. Racist as hell. They could avoid this by dropping the bullshit and going back to what it actually is and what it used to be called: discrimination. White privilege is discrimination by and for whites. Simple as that. Drop the racist pop pyschology about how whites can't understand or cannot have the proper empathy and all the other racist bullshit that is simply a way to tell white people to shut up and accept the political opinions of non-whites as superior. White people absolutely can be empathetic towards other races, but to be immediately dismissive and assume that minorities are overstating their well-documented issues of dealing with prejudice is a position of blissful ignorance. No one is saying that non-whites are superior; in fact, the point is that non-whites are frequently viewed as automatically inferior due to bigotry. wew lad trying to rewrite extremely easy to look up clear cut things, interesting racism ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/Submit noun the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. There is no picking and choosing, it is all negative/positive bias aka my definition, not your made up one. The meaning of words is not set in stone and citing a dictionary isn’t going to win this argument. The discussion of privilege within a demographic and region is completely valid and real. Privilege is regional and based on the dominate demographic in that culture. White privilege does not exist in Japan. But is very real in the US. ok so your position is words dont mean anything. guess ill just use the N word whenever I feel like it, its meaning isnt set in stone right? Ok, so you do realize that the word you just cited has different meanings based on who uses it and who they are saying it to, right?
Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to acknowledge that context and nuance exist with words... that "connotation" exists and not just "denotation".
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On July 27 2016 04:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 04:04 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 27 2016 04:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:56 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:54 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:46 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 03:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:43 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 27 2016 03:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 27 2016 03:26 Stratos_speAr wrote:
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Step out of your white, privileged little bubble and get some experience in the real world for once in your life. A very significant segment of the population has a hard time either getting an ID or affording one.
And no, they're not imbeciles. You're just a spoiled ass. Racism: check Insulting: check Broad claims with no support: check More insults: check If we go back to what started this, it was a claim that Donald Trump wants to reduce voter rights by enforcing that only citizens vote, either through a Voter ID or some other means of identification as a citizen. Most rational people take no offense with this. We do not need additional accommodation laws for people who forget their id's at home, that is a no-brainer. What he's suggesting here is in no way a 'reduction in voter's rights'. It seems to me the only criticism is that coming across a valid government ID, like a driver's license, as a requirement to vote is too difficult for poor people to obtain over the course of 4 years. No, the original claim was that Donald Trump wants to stop same-day voting registration (which does limit voting rights). It had nothing to do with voter ID. In fact he doesn't even endorse requiring an ID particularly, just a method to stop non-citizens from voting. How does that limit voting rights? You have months/years between elections to register to vote. Because it denies people the right to vote for no reason? Requiring people register to vote before election day doesn't deny them the right to vote. That isn’t a reason. You need a reason to deny someone the ability to vote. If they meet all the requirements to vote, the state must allow it. You don't need a reason to deny a non-citizen voting privileges. Voting laws are meant to ensure the person voting is an actual citizen of your country. When we have millions of illegals living in the country, that is pretty important. If you're arguing that the GOP is putting forward bad voting laws, that is an entirely different argument than 'you shouldn't require an ID to vote'. How does allowing same-day voting with provisional ballots make it any harder or easier to stop non-citizens from voting, exactly? That's part of what we're discussing remember. + Show Spoiler +I'm going to describe my ideal voting system.
Citizens can vote. You register to vote prior to election day. You show proof of citizenship on election day and vote. There
You register prior to election day because voting stations are already undermanned and extremely congested in election day. Having everyone registered to vote who is going to vote beforehand just makes the entire bureaucratic process smoother for everyone.
You show proof of citizenship because it is something all citizens have. There is no negative to showing citizenship and it prevents voter fraud. We have millions of non-citizens in the U.S. and this is a precautionary measure with no downside.
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I've already given my reasons to why I think you should register to vote prior to election day. You have months, years to do this. It is very easy to register to vote.
The criticism seems to be that 'it is not easy to register to vote, therefore I should be allowed to register on election day'
If the problem is that going from legal undocumented to legal documented, then that's a separate issue. You should get it done prior to election day. If we want to talk about how to make it easier to register to vote, that's not an issue I have problem with discussing but it's completely separate from registering to vote on election day and the problems that brings with it. Allowing you to register to vote on the day you want to vote is just procrastination and not a solution to the problem. Just be responsible and register to vote sometime within the years prior to the election.
Another criticism is that "it's too hard for the poor to get valid proof of citizenship/voter ID"
Saying 'scrap proof of citizenship/voter ID' seems like the irrational solution to this problem. The solution should be to make it easier to get access to these documents. You still should require proof citizenship/voter ID to vote.
And finally, saying 'there is no widespread case of voter fraud, therefore we should abandon all means to combat it' is the last criticism I find unsavory. It's a direct result of adopting bad solutions to the two above problems, rather than more rational solutions.
Just because a crime isn't occurring doesn't mean you should abandon all measures to prevent it from happening, especially when those measures ought to be relatively easy to implement.
Essentially, rather than scrapping these laws and measures that exist to prevent voter fraud and make the bureaucratic process easier for everyone because 'it's too hard to follow them for some people because it is unfairly difficult to follow for the poor', the laws ought to be changed such that this isn't a problem. We should focus on improving them rather than arguing they are 'racist and should be abandoned'.
I'm mostly spoiling for length here.
I think you're coming at this from an interesting direction in that you see these laws as established methods to prevent voter fraud rather than new measures to prevent voter fraud or being targeted to stop non-citizen voting (which I have literally never heard of as the objective).
I don't necessarily totally disagree on your optimal system contingent on proof of citizenship being readily available for all citizens.
I'm mostly just not sure if it being hard on pollsters is sufficient argument to disenfranchise people that don't register ahead of time, especially when you're having them bring proof of citizenship *anyway* (it's just scanning two forms instead of one since you should really verify the IDs to be sure). Sufficiently modern pollsters would be smooth enough that if we're talking ideals it's irrelevant-I'd rather spend money getting them scanners than disenfranchise people.
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On July 27 2016 04:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I honestly don't get why presidential election day isn't a national holiday anyways.
I think that would be one of many ways to allow more people an opportunity to vote.
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On July 27 2016 04:40 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 04:38 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 04:37 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 04:34 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 04:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 04:11 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 04:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 04:00 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 03:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
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You attacked him for 'white privilege' among other things as a means of dismissing him and silencing his ability to respond because he's 'white privileged'
I don't support laws that restrict anyone's ability to vote. I think all citizens should have the right to vote. Continue flaming people and making shit up and calling me lazy and dishonest
About the point that voter fraud doesn't exist, that's like saying 'I lock my door and no one breaks into my home. Therefore, why do I keep locking my door? I'm locking my door to prevent a crime that doesn't exist. I should just stop locking my door.'
Stop fucking flaming people Oh man lmao. When someone is exercising their ignorance due to white privilege, and they're called out on it, that's not racism. Are you kidding me -.-' this quote should be put in the tumblr hall of fame. Next time I see a black person ill say due to them being uneducated, they are clearly exercising their ignorance due to black underprivilege. I'll make sure to call him out on it! definitely won't be racist as I now can see. On July 27 2016 03:56 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 03:48 zlefin wrote:
Ah, the hypocrisy of people pushing for more government regulation of something that's not an actual problem while oft complaining about their being needless and wasteful government regulation. (not sure which people this applies to as I'm not sure which people here complained about the latter) Good point. It always makes me facepalm when I hear from Republicans that they're for smaller government/ keeping the government out of our business. Yeah, except for restricting marriage licenses, what women can do with their bodies, voting opportunities, the right to practice Islam or atheism, ensuring only science is taught in science class, etc. At least Democrats are forthcoming with the idea that the federal government has a role to play in society. it always makes me facepalm when I see people complain about racism but then approve of any racism towards white people. Here's an example of racism against white people: A white guy innocently walks down the street, and a few black guys across the street decide to call the white guy names and/ or beat him up because he's white. This is not an example of racism against white people: Person 1: Blacks should stop crying about what they have to deal with on a daily basis. It's not that bad.
Person 2: Excuse me, Person 1, but you're white and apparently not aware of the prejudice that blacks have to deal with on a daily basis, despite the fact that it's well-documented, historic, and systemic. Your position of ignorance and dismissal of other people's racial struggles is something called white privilege; you are fortunate enough to not need to deal with these experiences that others deal with, but you shouldn't belittle them. Learn the difference. thats your made up tumblr version of what racism is. I didn't make up the term racism or white privilege, and they're well understood in sociological contexts. I strongly recommend some general reading on the subject of the latter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege There are ~150 additional citations at the bottom of that page, if you're interested in learning more. On July 27 2016 04:12 DeepElemBlues wrote:Person 2: Excuse me, Person 1, but you're white and apparently not aware of the prejudice that blacks have to deal with on a daily basis, despite the fact that it's well-documented, historic, and systemic. Your position of ignorance and dismissal of other people's racial struggles is something called white privilege; you are fortunate enough to not need to deal with these experiences that others deal with, but you shouldn't belittle them. That is 100% racist though. White privilege as currently defined in contemporary political discourse is racial original sin and collective guilt wrapped into one. Racist as hell. They could avoid this by dropping the bullshit and going back to what it actually is and what it used to be called: discrimination. White privilege is discrimination by and for whites. Simple as that. Drop the racist pop pyschology about how whites can't understand or cannot have the proper empathy and all the other racist bullshit that is simply a way to tell white people to shut up and accept the political opinions of non-whites as superior. White people absolutely can be empathetic towards other races, but to be immediately dismissive and assume that minorities are overstating their well-documented issues of dealing with prejudice is a position of blissful ignorance. No one is saying that non-whites are superior; in fact, the point is that non-whites are frequently viewed as automatically inferior due to bigotry. wew lad trying to rewrite extremely easy to look up clear cut things, interesting racism ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/Submit noun the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. There is no picking and choosing, it is all negative/positive bias aka my definition, not your made up one. The meaning of words is not set in stone and citing a dictionary isn’t going to win this argument. The discussion of privilege within a demographic and region is completely valid and real. Privilege is regional and based on the dominate demographic in that culture. White privilege does not exist in Japan. But is very real in the US. ok so your position is words dont mean anything. guess ill just use the N word whenever I feel like it, its meaning isnt set in stone right? Ok, so you do realize that the word you just cited has different meanings based on who uses it and who they are saying it to, right?
No it doesn't. No one uses the hard R word in any context except one.
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On July 27 2016 04:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Can we please not have the white guilt seminar again
Please
Our new boy who complains about everyone’s posting style need to stop calling people who want to talk about white privilege racist and trolling people. If someone doesn’t agree, cool. Don’t be an asshole and call people racist for talking about white privilege.
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On July 27 2016 04:43 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 04:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Can we please not have the white guilt seminar again
Please Our new boy who complains about everyone’s posting style need to stop calling people who want to talk about white privilege racist and trolling people. If someone doesn’t agree, cool. Don’t be an asshole and call people racist for talking about white privilege.
Oh please. I was just pointing out the inconsistency of your far left butt buddy. I couldnt care less if anyone is racist towards me or anybody, i just find hypocrites/double standards the most amusing parts of life.
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On July 27 2016 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 04:40 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 04:38 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 04:37 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 04:34 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 04:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 04:11 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 04:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 04:00 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 03:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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Oh man lmao. When someone is exercising their ignorance due to white privilege, and they're called out on it, that's not racism. Are you kidding me -.-' this quote should be put in the tumblr hall of fame. Next time I see a black person ill say due to them being uneducated, they are clearly exercising their ignorance due to black underprivilege. I'll make sure to call him out on it! definitely won't be racist as I now can see. On July 27 2016 03:56 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 27 2016 03:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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Good point. It always makes me facepalm when I hear from Republicans that they're for smaller government/ keeping the government out of our business. Yeah, except for restricting marriage licenses, what women can do with their bodies, voting opportunities, the right to practice Islam or atheism, ensuring only science is taught in science class, etc.
At least Democrats are forthcoming with the idea that the federal government has a role to play in society. it always makes me facepalm when I see people complain about racism but then approve of any racism towards white people. Here's an example of racism against white people: A white guy innocently walks down the street, and a few black guys across the street decide to call the white guy names and/ or beat him up because he's white. This is not an example of racism against white people: Person 1: Blacks should stop crying about what they have to deal with on a daily basis. It's not that bad.
Person 2: Excuse me, Person 1, but you're white and apparently not aware of the prejudice that blacks have to deal with on a daily basis, despite the fact that it's well-documented, historic, and systemic. Your position of ignorance and dismissal of other people's racial struggles is something called white privilege; you are fortunate enough to not need to deal with these experiences that others deal with, but you shouldn't belittle them. Learn the difference. thats your made up tumblr version of what racism is. I didn't make up the term racism or white privilege, and they're well understood in sociological contexts. I strongly recommend some general reading on the subject of the latter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege There are ~150 additional citations at the bottom of that page, if you're interested in learning more. On July 27 2016 04:12 DeepElemBlues wrote:Person 2: Excuse me, Person 1, but you're white and apparently not aware of the prejudice that blacks have to deal with on a daily basis, despite the fact that it's well-documented, historic, and systemic. Your position of ignorance and dismissal of other people's racial struggles is something called white privilege; you are fortunate enough to not need to deal with these experiences that others deal with, but you shouldn't belittle them. That is 100% racist though. White privilege as currently defined in contemporary political discourse is racial original sin and collective guilt wrapped into one. Racist as hell. They could avoid this by dropping the bullshit and going back to what it actually is and what it used to be called: discrimination. White privilege is discrimination by and for whites. Simple as that. Drop the racist pop pyschology about how whites can't understand or cannot have the proper empathy and all the other racist bullshit that is simply a way to tell white people to shut up and accept the political opinions of non-whites as superior. White people absolutely can be empathetic towards other races, but to be immediately dismissive and assume that minorities are overstating their well-documented issues of dealing with prejudice is a position of blissful ignorance. No one is saying that non-whites are superior; in fact, the point is that non-whites are frequently viewed as automatically inferior due to bigotry. wew lad trying to rewrite extremely easy to look up clear cut things, interesting racism ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/Submit noun the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. There is no picking and choosing, it is all negative/positive bias aka my definition, not your made up one. The meaning of words is not set in stone and citing a dictionary isn’t going to win this argument. The discussion of privilege within a demographic and region is completely valid and real. Privilege is regional and based on the dominate demographic in that culture. White privilege does not exist in Japan. But is very real in the US. ok so your position is words dont mean anything. guess ill just use the N word whenever I feel like it, its meaning isnt set in stone right? Ok, so you do realize that the word you just cited has different meanings based on who uses it and who they are saying it to, right? No it doesn't. No one uses the hard R word in any context except one.
Yeah it does, sorry. The N-bomb means different things depending on who says it to whom. White as the driven snow guys like me don’t get to use it.
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On July 27 2016 04:45 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 04:43 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 04:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Can we please not have the white guilt seminar again
Please Our new boy who complains about everyone’s posting style need to stop calling people who want to talk about white privilege racist and trolling people. If someone doesn’t agree, cool. Don’t be an asshole and call people racist for talking about white privilege. Oh please. I was just pointing out the inconsistency of your far left butt buddy. I couldnt care less if anyone is racist towards me or anybody, i just find hypocrites/double standards the most amusing parts of life.
If it doesn’t’ bother you, don’t post. People are trying to have a discussion here and you are derailing it with your not caring.
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This thread has become a weird place where shitposters from various Liquid community sub-sites come and shitpost together on sensitive issues.
As someone who frequents multiple parts of the Liquid community, it's a very weird experience.
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On July 27 2016 04:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Can we please not have the white guilt seminar again
Please
It's only ever white shame. I don't think white guilt has ever been observed in this universe.
Also, VayneAuthority, are you an authority on vayne? because that would explain a lot
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