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On July 27 2016 06:20 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 06:17 Rebs wrote:On July 27 2016 06:08 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:03 Gorsameth wrote:Hate to break it to you but this has nothing to do with free speech... Yeah, recording people has little to do with free speech. I was being sarcastic. Thats literally what people think this ruling was about. Im disappointed that the caps didnt give it away.. The lack of context and really shitty posting for the last 5 pages confused us all.
To be fair my post was pretty shit to but I couldnt resist saying something while being lazy about it so guilty on that one.
+ Show Spoiler +I didnt see the last 5 pages coz sometimes I actually have to work at work, but basically what I got was "You'are all racists btw. Especially the ones pointing out racism, you are the biggest ones."
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On July 27 2016 06:19 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 05:52 Mohdoo wrote:On July 27 2016 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 05:47 Doodsmack wrote:On July 27 2016 05:45 xDaunt wrote:
The underlying problem with Democrat/Progressive unity is Hillary herself. Looking at the situation in the light most favorable to her, she lacks the charisma to unify the party like Obama did after that nasty primary. Looking at the situation a little more realistically, she clearly is unlikable to a large chunk of the Democrat base, which makes it very difficult to rally behind her. Donald Trump makes it very easy to rally. That theory hasn't worked out so well thus far. People can be livid about Sanders and still vote for Clinton. As an Oregonian, this is basically the case everywhere, especially in Portland. I don't know how to fully convey just how bad people think trump is. People see him as Hitler. People are mad, pissed even that they have to vote Clinton. They are quick to point out Clinton is awful and the worst but that electing trump is just beyond reasonable. Impossible even for them. Portland is not very representative of the country. Place is weird as hell and is one of the most liberal places in the country.
Portland is the place that north eastern over educated liberals look at and go “That place is way to crazy and weird for me. They are almost too liberal.” We are not comfortable being outdone.
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On July 27 2016 06:22 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 06:19 biology]major wrote:On July 27 2016 05:52 Mohdoo wrote:On July 27 2016 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 05:47 Doodsmack wrote:On July 27 2016 05:45 xDaunt wrote:
The underlying problem with Democrat/Progressive unity is Hillary herself. Looking at the situation in the light most favorable to her, she lacks the charisma to unify the party like Obama did after that nasty primary. Looking at the situation a little more realistically, she clearly is unlikable to a large chunk of the Democrat base, which makes it very difficult to rally behind her. Donald Drumpf makes it very easy to rally. That theory hasn't worked out so well thus far. People can be livid about Sanders and still vote for Clinton. As an Oregonian, this is basically the case everywhere, especially in Portland. I don't know how to fully convey just how bad people think trump is. People see him as Hitler. People are mad, pissed even that they have to vote Clinton. They are quick to point out Clinton is awful and the worst but that electing trump is just beyond reasonable. Impossible even for them. Portland is not very representative of the country. Place is weird as hell and is one of the most liberal places in the country. Portland is the place that north eastern over educated liberals look at and go “That place is way to crazy and weird for me. They are almost too liberal.” We are not comfortable being outdone.
I have to agree, I lived in Seattle for a year and visited often because I wanted to be cool to, and frankly Portland makes Seattles liberalness look tame.
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On July 27 2016 06:19 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 06:16 DeepElemBlues wrote:On July 27 2016 06:03 Gorsameth wrote:Hate to break it to you but this has nothing to do with free speech... Muckraking certainly does though. See the reply I just did to Plansix. Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 06:14 Gorsameth wrote:On July 27 2016 06:08 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:03 Gorsameth wrote:Hate to break it to you but this has nothing to do with free speech... Yeah, recording people has little to do with free speech. There is a separate civil suit running for recording without consent ect This dismissal is about using fake ID's and it only got dismissed over a technicality (with them being indited by the jury in a trial against PP)
I edited my post
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=4492#89833
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On July 27 2016 06:21 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 06:20 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:17 Rebs wrote:On July 27 2016 06:08 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:03 Gorsameth wrote:Hate to break it to you but this has nothing to do with free speech... Yeah, recording people has little to do with free speech. I was being sarcastic. Thats literally what people think this ruling was about. Im disappointed that the caps didnt give it away.. The lack of context and really shitty posting for the last 5 pages confused us all. To be fair my post was pretty shit to but I couldnt resist saying something while being lazy about it so guilty on that one. + Show Spoiler +I didnt see the last 5 pages coz sometimes I actually have to work at work, but basically what I got was "You'are all racists btw. Especially the ones pointing out racism, you are the biggest ones."
I know, I wear my white guilt like a heavy, soiled blanket. Myself loathing sooths me to sleep every night as I wallow in my privilege like an over fed pig.
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On July 27 2016 06:24 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 06:21 Rebs wrote:On July 27 2016 06:20 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:17 Rebs wrote:On July 27 2016 06:08 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:03 Gorsameth wrote:Hate to break it to you but this has nothing to do with free speech... Yeah, recording people has little to do with free speech. I was being sarcastic. Thats literally what people think this ruling was about. Im disappointed that the caps didnt give it away.. The lack of context and really shitty posting for the last 5 pages confused us all. To be fair my post was pretty shit to but I couldnt resist saying something while being lazy about it so guilty on that one. + Show Spoiler +I didnt see the last 5 pages coz sometimes I actually have to work at work, but basically what I got was "You'are all racists btw. Especially the ones pointing out racism, you are the biggest ones." I know, I wear my white guilt like a heavy, soiled blanket. Myself loathing sooths me to sleep every night as I wallow in my privilege like an over feed pig.
I legit can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not.
edit: Uuuu roll call time, its like Eurovision
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On July 27 2016 06:26 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 06:24 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:21 Rebs wrote:On July 27 2016 06:20 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:17 Rebs wrote:On July 27 2016 06:08 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:03 Gorsameth wrote:Hate to break it to you but this has nothing to do with free speech... Yeah, recording people has little to do with free speech. I was being sarcastic. Thats literally what people think this ruling was about. Im disappointed that the caps didnt give it away.. The lack of context and really shitty posting for the last 5 pages confused us all. To be fair my post was pretty shit to but I couldnt resist saying something while being lazy about it so guilty on that one. + Show Spoiler +I didnt see the last 5 pages coz sometimes I actually have to work at work, but basically what I got was "You'are all racists btw. Especially the ones pointing out racism, you are the biggest ones." I know, I wear my white guilt like a heavy, soiled blanket. Myself loathing sooths me to sleep every night as I wallow in my privilege like an over feed pig. I legit can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not.
Really? He's laying it on pretty thick.
Almost as thick as that blanket...
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On July 27 2016 06:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 06:26 zeo wrote:On July 27 2016 06:24 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:21 Rebs wrote:On July 27 2016 06:20 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:17 Rebs wrote:On July 27 2016 06:08 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:03 Gorsameth wrote:Hate to break it to you but this has nothing to do with free speech... Yeah, recording people has little to do with free speech. I was being sarcastic. Thats literally what people think this ruling was about. Im disappointed that the caps didnt give it away.. The lack of context and really shitty posting for the last 5 pages confused us all. To be fair my post was pretty shit to but I couldnt resist saying something while being lazy about it so guilty on that one. + Show Spoiler +I didnt see the last 5 pages coz sometimes I actually have to work at work, but basically what I got was "You'are all racists btw. Especially the ones pointing out racism, you are the biggest ones." I know, I wear my white guilt like a heavy, soiled blanket. Myself loathing sooths me to sleep every night as I wallow in my privilege like an over feed pig. I legit can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. Really? He's laying it on pretty thick. Almost as thick as that blanket...
This is like the time my buddy blurted out "Ex Machina was all about sexism?!?!?! No way" and all I could think was: That movie was not subtle.....like at all. He was bad at subtext.
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On July 27 2016 06:12 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 06:07 TheTenthDoc wrote:
It's very disingenuous to look purely at current polling. The only way it's remotely reasonable is if we're willing to assume there will be no bounce whatsoever coming out of the Democratic convention OR the Kaine pick-and neither of those having an effect seems pretty implausible.
If the polls are like this in a week or she only gets a 1 or 2-point bump it's pretty unlikely to become a curbstomp though. Even assuming that current polling reflects an artificial and temporary bump for Trump, do you not agree that Trump is greatly outerperforming (and Hillary is greatly underperforming) everyone's expectations?
I prefer to think of it as the American people disappointing everyone's expectations, rather than Trump surpassing them. He didn't get where he is without other people and it's those we are being let down by. He's hijacked the Republican party and the majority of those who would fight him on it are simply choosing to sit it out (former Presidents and presidential candidates sitting out the convention for example) rather than keep on fighting.
But yeah, he's doing well.
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On July 27 2016 06:29 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 06:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 06:26 zeo wrote:On July 27 2016 06:24 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:21 Rebs wrote:On July 27 2016 06:20 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:17 Rebs wrote:On July 27 2016 06:08 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:03 Gorsameth wrote:Hate to break it to you but this has nothing to do with free speech... Yeah, recording people has little to do with free speech. I was being sarcastic. Thats literally what people think this ruling was about. Im disappointed that the caps didnt give it away.. The lack of context and really shitty posting for the last 5 pages confused us all. To be fair my post was pretty shit to but I couldnt resist saying something while being lazy about it so guilty on that one. + Show Spoiler +I didnt see the last 5 pages coz sometimes I actually have to work at work, but basically what I got was "You'are all racists btw. Especially the ones pointing out racism, you are the biggest ones." I know, I wear my white guilt like a heavy, soiled blanket. Myself loathing sooths me to sleep every night as I wallow in my privilege like an over feed pig. I legit can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. Really? He's laying it on pretty thick. Almost as thick as that blanket... This is like the time my buddy blurted out "Ex Machina was all about sexism?!?!?! No way" and all I could think was: That movie was not subtle.....like at all. He was bad at subtext.
Well I'm certainly in no position to mock people for misinterpreting other posters in this thread ^^;;
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On July 27 2016 06:19 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 05:52 Mohdoo wrote:On July 27 2016 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 05:47 Doodsmack wrote:On July 27 2016 05:45 xDaunt wrote:
The underlying problem with Democrat/Progressive unity is Hillary herself. Looking at the situation in the light most favorable to her, she lacks the charisma to unify the party like Obama did after that nasty primary. Looking at the situation a little more realistically, she clearly is unlikable to a large chunk of the Democrat base, which makes it very difficult to rally behind her. Donald Trump makes it very easy to rally. That theory hasn't worked out so well thus far. People can be livid about Sanders and still vote for Clinton. As an Oregonian, this is basically the case everywhere, especially in Portland. I don't know how to fully convey just how bad people think trump is. People see him as Hitler. People are mad, pissed even that they have to vote Clinton. They are quick to point out Clinton is awful and the worst but that electing trump is just beyond reasonable. Impossible even for them. Portland is not very representative of the country. Place is weird as hell and is one of the most liberal places in the country.
That's why I'm using it as an example of why even the most die hard of Bernie supporters (gh is common. Imaging having 5+ people like gh on your Facebook) tend to begrudgingly agree to vote Clinton. It basically comes down to "I fucking loathe Clinton, but trump represents an actual destruction of our country." If Romney was running, they wouldn't bother. Trump is seen as an actual antichrist. I think conservatives underestimate how these people see trump. It goes so far beyond what I have ever seen.
I know people who want Clinton to go to prison, but will vote for her because the other option is unthinkable. After pence, even more so. They would send her to prison, but they are choosing to vote for her.
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DC wants to become a state? wtf?
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On July 27 2016 06:29 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 06:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 06:26 zeo wrote:On July 27 2016 06:24 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:21 Rebs wrote:On July 27 2016 06:20 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:17 Rebs wrote:On July 27 2016 06:08 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:03 Gorsameth wrote:Hate to break it to you but this has nothing to do with free speech... Yeah, recording people has little to do with free speech. I was being sarcastic. Thats literally what people think this ruling was about. Im disappointed that the caps didnt give it away.. The lack of context and really shitty posting for the last 5 pages confused us all. To be fair my post was pretty shit to but I couldnt resist saying something while being lazy about it so guilty on that one. + Show Spoiler +I didnt see the last 5 pages coz sometimes I actually have to work at work, but basically what I got was "You'are all racists btw. Especially the ones pointing out racism, you are the biggest ones." I know, I wear my white guilt like a heavy, soiled blanket. Myself loathing sooths me to sleep every night as I wallow in my privilege like an over feed pig. I legit can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. Really? He's laying it on pretty thick. Almost as thick as that blanket... This is like the time my buddy blurted out "Ex Machina was all about sexism?!?!?! No way" and all I could think was: That movie was not subtle.....like at all. He was bad at subtext.
Ex machina spoiler
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Huh? Good movie, didn't see the sexism. Evil genius dude explained why he made his AI female and if you are referring to the Mute Japanese sex bot, that's pretty soft
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On July 27 2016 06:42 zeo wrote:
DC wants to become a state? wtf?
DC citizens don't have equal federal representation and they've always felt like the feds have done a poor job governing the territory.
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On July 27 2016 06:44 farvacola wrote:DC citizens don't have equal federal representation and they've always felt like the feds have done a poor job governing the territory.
More fact based liberal bias to prove a point.. Conservatives love limited Government. Except when they dont.
Taxation without represenation, thats literally the state motto + Show Spoiler +(yes I lived in DC for a year too)
+ Show Spoiler [ DC Statehood] +
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On July 27 2016 06:42 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 06:29 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 27 2016 06:26 zeo wrote:On July 27 2016 06:24 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:21 Rebs wrote:On July 27 2016 06:20 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:17 Rebs wrote:On July 27 2016 06:08 Plansix wrote:On July 27 2016 06:03 Gorsameth wrote:
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Hate to break it to you but this has nothing to do with free speech...
Yeah, recording people has little to do with free speech. I was being sarcastic. Thats literally what people think this ruling was about. Im disappointed that the caps didnt give it away.. The lack of context and really shitty posting for the last 5 pages confused us all. To be fair my post was pretty shit to but I couldnt resist saying something while being lazy about it so guilty on that one. + Show Spoiler +I didnt see the last 5 pages coz sometimes I actually have to work at work, but basically what I got was "You'are all racists btw. Especially the ones pointing out racism, you are the biggest ones." I know, I wear my white guilt like a heavy, soiled blanket. Myself loathing sooths me to sleep every night as I wallow in my privilege like an over feed pig. I legit can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. Really? He's laying it on pretty thick. Almost as thick as that blanket... This is like the time my buddy blurted out "Ex Machina was all about sexism?!?!?! No way" and all I could think was: That movie was not subtle.....like at all. He was bad at subtext. Huh? Good movie, didn't see the sexism. Evil genius dude explained why he made his AI female and if you are referring to the Mute Japanese sex bot, that's pretty soft
It's not a sexist movie, it's a movie constructed as a way to talk about sexism within the male dominated tech culture and society more broadly. You can google it if you're curious. Good movies are entertaining on the surface, even if they're about a message. It's like how Independence Day was actually about one world humanism and the sleeping giant of cooperation emerging after the false divisions of nations etc are torn down but it also totally works as a summer blockbuster.
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With a sea of passive agressive non-sense set for the future, I submit this lighter touch for everyone's enjoyment.
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Is there any reliable polling site like 538 or realclearpolitics gives percentages as by demographics like age/gender/race/etc?
Since I can usually only finding those numbers in individual polls.
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On July 27 2016 06:40 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2016 06:19 biology]major wrote:On July 27 2016 05:52 Mohdoo wrote:On July 27 2016 05:48 xDaunt wrote:On July 27 2016 05:47 Doodsmack wrote:On July 27 2016 05:45 xDaunt wrote:
The underlying problem with Democrat/Progressive unity is Hillary herself. Looking at the situation in the light most favorable to her, she lacks the charisma to unify the party like Obama did after that nasty primary. Looking at the situation a little more realistically, she clearly is unlikable to a large chunk of the Democrat base, which makes it very difficult to rally behind her. Donald Trump makes it very easy to rally. That theory hasn't worked out so well thus far. People can be livid about Sanders and still vote for Clinton. As an Oregonian, this is basically the case everywhere, especially in Portland. I don't know how to fully convey just how bad people think trump is. People see him as Hitler. People are mad, pissed even that they have to vote Clinton. They are quick to point out Clinton is awful and the worst but that electing trump is just beyond reasonable. Impossible even for them. Portland is not very representative of the country. Place is weird as hell and is one of the most liberal places in the country. That's why I'm using it as an example of why even the most die hard of Bernie supporters (gh is common. Imaging having 5+ people like gh on your Facebook) tend to begrudgingly agree to vote Clinton. It basically comes down to "I fucking loathe Clinton, but trump represents an actual destruction of our country." If Romney was running, they wouldn't bother. Trump is seen as an actual antichrist. I think conservatives underestimate how these people see trump. It goes so far beyond what I have ever seen. I know people who want Clinton to go to prison, but will vote for her because the other option is unthinkable. After pence, even more so. They would send her to prison, but they are choosing to vote for her.
The wonders of a two party system. You hate both alternatives, but you still have to vote for one of them because the other possibility is just horrifyingly disgusting.
FPTP is just so incredibly archaic and nonsensical. Imagine how different the US political landscape would look like if there were multiple parties, one for the crazy christian republicans, one for the tea party people, one for the center democrats, one for Bernie people, and possibly 1-2 more. Suddenly the priority of everyone doesn't just become "Make the other guy look worse then us", they actually have to do good and convince people to vote for them and not just against the other guy, because there are alternatives if they are shitty.
Of course, for that to work, 15% of the votes needs to have more influence then 0% of the votes. And for that you need a reasonable voting system. But the people who win at the election system are not going to fix that. So you are stuck with this situation, where you don't have any choice whatsover and Hillary can basically do whatever she wants, be as corrupt and as shady as she wants to, because no one sane will allow a Trump presidency.
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On July 27 2016 07:11 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Is there any reliable polling site like 538 or realclearpolitics gives percentages as by demographics like age/gender/race/etc?
Since I can usually only finding those numbers in individual polls.
http://polling.reuters.com/#!poll/TM651Y15_13/
You can filter it by all sorts of categories
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