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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
July 22 2016 16:22 GMT
#88121


Found this kind of funny.
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 22 2016 16:22 GMT
#88122
So how about Trump's cease and desist and implied legal threat sent to the Art of the Deal author? I'll bet the "return" of proceeds isn't even contemplated in their contract. What kind of person does it take to use lawyer attack dogs in the service of vendettas, over an entire career?
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
July 22 2016 16:24 GMT
#88123
On July 23 2016 00:53 zeo wrote:
Anyway, anyone following the DNC wikileaks dump?




Based on their recent Turkey releases I am expecting 9000 spam emails

On July 23 2016 01:00 Mohdoo wrote:
I really think Clinton picking Kaine would be a big mistake. I am not seeing a single benefit.

Agreed, but she would never pick one of the actually good options
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 16:27:12
July 22 2016 16:26 GMT
#88124
On July 23 2016 00:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/AP/status/756511143686963201


he wont win, and hes a blip in louisiana political history compared to the likes of edwin edwards.

On July 23 2016 00:53 KwarK wrote:
Hitching your wagon to Trump is only justifiable if Trump wins. In 4 months there are going to be a lot of Republican politicians trying to explain why they were never actually a true believer and didn't mean all those things they said.


paul ryan trying to trumpsplain is gonna be fun.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2016 16:26 GMT
#88125
On July 23 2016 01:22 Doodsmack wrote:
So how about Trump's cease and desist and implied legal threat sent to the Art of the Deal author? I'll bet the "return" of proceeds isn't even contemplated in their contract. What kind of person does it take to use lawyer attack dogs in the service of vendettas, over an entire career?

A thin skinned baby who can’t deal with criticism and thinks the court system should always work in their favor.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
July 22 2016 16:27 GMT
#88126
sum cartoons

+ Show Spoiler +
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Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 16:32:57
July 22 2016 16:30 GMT
#88127
On July 23 2016 01:24 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 00:53 zeo wrote:
Anyway, anyone following the DNC wikileaks dump?

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/756507038813937664
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/756497475322740736

Based on their recent Turkey releases I am expecting 9000 spam emails

Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 01:00 Mohdoo wrote:
I really think Clinton picking Kaine would be a big mistake. I am not seeing a single benefit.

Agreed, but she would never pick one of the actually good options


I still think Bernie is her best option. This entire election will be determined by turnout, nothing more. Trump realizes it and Clinton realizes it. This election is a war more than a campaign. We need more soldiers and Bernie brings soldiers. Figure out everything else later, just win the election.

I think democrats trying to have a perfectly Clinton campaign is a huge mistake and that any arrogance regarding Trump's chances will likely lose the election. Democrats need to run this campaign as "just win, no matter what" instead of trying to have the perfect little cabinet and the perfect little show. Turnout, turnout, turnout. That's all that matters.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 22 2016 16:33 GMT
#88128
On July 23 2016 01:30 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 01:24 Nevuk wrote:
On July 23 2016 00:53 zeo wrote:
Anyway, anyone following the DNC wikileaks dump?

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/756507038813937664
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/756497475322740736

Based on their recent Turkey releases I am expecting 9000 spam emails

On July 23 2016 01:00 Mohdoo wrote:
I really think Clinton picking Kaine would be a big mistake. I am not seeing a single benefit.

Agreed, but she would never pick one of the actually good options


I still think Bernie is her best option. This entire election will be determined by turnout, nothing more. Trump realizes it and Clinton realizes it. This election is a war more than a campaign. We need more soldiers and Bernie brings soldiers. Figure out everything else later, just win the election.


I agree that Hillary needs to drive turnout, but I wonder whether Bernie would compromise her in other ways.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 16:34:39
July 22 2016 16:33 GMT
#88129
Clinton will not pick anyone that is more popular or known than her. Thus Kaine is the safe bet. Her ego is what could lose her the election.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 22 2016 16:36 GMT
#88130
On July 23 2016 01:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Clinton will not pick anyone that is more popular or known than her. Thus Kaine is the safe bet. Her ego is what could lose her the election.


I don't know if anyone can be more popular or known than the party's presidential nominee. But I do think that Hillary is well-aware of her comparative enthusiasm gap, and doesn't want to pick someone who is better at getting progressive panties wet than she is.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 16:40:46
July 22 2016 16:39 GMT
#88131
On July 22 2016 23:59 LegalLord wrote:
From a few days ago, for those that have mentioned this issue before:
Show nested quote +

CLEVELAND— Donald Trump has followed through on his promise to forgive personal loans to his campaign.

The Republican presidential nominee forgave about $47.5 million in loans, according to a Federal Election Commission report filed Wednesday. Trump previously said he did so, but had so far not offered evidence.

Trump, who is expected to accept the GOP's nomination here Thursday, funded his primary election run mostly through personal loans. His campaign started raising more money from donors in June.

It reported nearly $27 million in total receipts for the month and ended it with more than $20 million on hand.

The Trump campaign directed CNBC to Trump's past statements on his loan forgiveness. In June, Trump called the loans a "contribution to make America great again."

During the primary process, Trump touted his ability to funnel money into his campaign as evidence that he is not beholden to donors. But he has turned to more traditional fundraising ahead of the more demanding general election.

Source


Who was it posting articles about how he hadn't filed evidence yet and was just going to lie about it and never forgive the loans?

Guess that settles that debate.

Another +1 for Trump and -1 for sensationalist media
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 22 2016 16:39 GMT
#88132
On July 23 2016 01:33 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 01:30 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 23 2016 01:24 Nevuk wrote:
On July 23 2016 00:53 zeo wrote:
Anyway, anyone following the DNC wikileaks dump?

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/756507038813937664
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/756497475322740736

Based on their recent Turkey releases I am expecting 9000 spam emails

On July 23 2016 01:00 Mohdoo wrote:
I really think Clinton picking Kaine would be a big mistake. I am not seeing a single benefit.

Agreed, but she would never pick one of the actually good options


I still think Bernie is her best option. This entire election will be determined by turnout, nothing more. Trump realizes it and Clinton realizes it. This election is a war more than a campaign. We need more soldiers and Bernie brings soldiers. Figure out everything else later, just win the election.


I agree that Hillary needs to drive turnout, but I wonder whether Bernie would compromise her in other ways.


On July 23 2016 01:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Clinton will not pick anyone that is more popular or known than her. Thus Kaine is the safe bet. Her ego is what could lose her the election.


To address both of you, I hope/assume the cynicism regarding Clinton's tight grip on the DNC is somewhat exaggerated. I DO think the DNC did their best to push for what they thought was their best option, but I think the DNC has sway and some amount of control. I am hopeful that she will be pressured to do what is necessary to win. The DNC has the data, they know they could very well just throw Trump in the white house. I don't think anyone is as arrogant as they were 6 months ago.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 22 2016 16:39 GMT
#88133
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 16:41:29
July 22 2016 16:41 GMT
#88134
lol, gonna be funny when governors like Kasich start campaigning for Hillary.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 22 2016 16:42 GMT
#88135
On July 23 2016 01:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 23:59 LegalLord wrote:
From a few days ago, for those that have mentioned this issue before:

CLEVELAND— Donald Trump has followed through on his promise to forgive personal loans to his campaign.

The Republican presidential nominee forgave about $47.5 million in loans, according to a Federal Election Commission report filed Wednesday. Trump previously said he did so, but had so far not offered evidence.

Trump, who is expected to accept the GOP's nomination here Thursday, funded his primary election run mostly through personal loans. His campaign started raising more money from donors in June.

It reported nearly $27 million in total receipts for the month and ended it with more than $20 million on hand.

The Trump campaign directed CNBC to Trump's past statements on his loan forgiveness. In June, Trump called the loans a "contribution to make America great again."

During the primary process, Trump touted his ability to funnel money into his campaign as evidence that he is not beholden to donors. But he has turned to more traditional fundraising ahead of the more demanding general election.

Source


Who was it posting articles about how he hadn't filed evidence yet and was just going to lie about it and never forgive the loans?

Guess that settles that debate.

Another +1 for Trump and -1 for sensationalist media

I dunno, and I don't feel like looking that far back in the thread to find it.
There was an understandable concern he might do that; and a desire to wait until it's actually done and verified.
I'm glad now that it's been done.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45771 Posts
July 22 2016 16:43 GMT
#88136
On July 23 2016 01:41 farvacola wrote:
lol, gonna be funny when governors like Kasich start campaigning for Hillary.


That would be amazing if Hillary takes Ohio thanks to Kasich.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 22 2016 16:43 GMT
#88137
On July 23 2016 01:41 farvacola wrote:
lol, gonna be funny when governors like Kasich start campaigning for Hillary.


Do we think that is possible, or more likely that they will simply sit this one out?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 22 2016 16:45 GMT
#88138
More than likely sit it out if he loses they can see told you so, if he wins the disaster that will erupt will be none of their affairs.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 16:47:02
July 22 2016 16:46 GMT
#88139
On July 23 2016 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2016 01:41 farvacola wrote:
lol, gonna be funny when governors like Kasich start campaigning for Hillary.


Do we think that is possible, or more likely that they will simply sit this one out?

They'll sit it out. They don't want a repeat of Cruz's Wednesday night kamikaze. The calculation of the Establishment is as follows: Trump is likely to lose this November and be nothing but a bad memory afterwards, so let's just ride out the storm and live to fight another day. I think that there are problems with this line of thought, but I have no doubt that is what they're thinking.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43966 Posts
July 22 2016 16:46 GMT
#88140
No Republicans will actually campaign against him, that'd be going too far. It's one thing to say "I think he hijacked the party and I refuse to endorse him or this doomed attempt, call me up when it's all over and I'll help you fix whatever is left", it's quite another to actively work to fulfill that prophecy.

The gamble makes sense for the likes of Cruz, the odds are good Trump will lose but even if the odds weren't good being positioned as the sane conservative voice of reason in the event of a loss is much more useful than being slightly more in Trump's good graces but still on the outside in the event of a win. There's no real upside to endorsements but a few to failing to endorse.
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