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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10988 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-21 14:01:17
July 21 2016 14:00 GMT
#87541
So you support a guy that contributed to diffrent democratic candidates because "he is not a democrat"?

Let alone his other issues...
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 21 2016 14:04 GMT
#87542
I think the interesting part is that it really is *anything* for these people. I genuinely think they would vote for a potato, knowing damn well they are not capable of speech, thought or feelings, before democrats.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9256 Posts
July 21 2016 14:04 GMT
#87543
On July 21 2016 21:44 farvacola wrote:
Lol, it's like SoSexy and Gotunk are conservative bots who troll politics threads by posting randomly generated, anti-liberal snippets without any context. Like someone in the Europe thread said, I guess it's a new kind of Tourette's.

It's not even something they think up, it's regurgitated from /r/the_donald where all dissent is banned so it appears to them like somekind of infallible checkmate against 'libruls' and so they relay it further to facebook, twitter and other forums like TL where they get made fun of because of it, so they blame that on the 'cognitive dissonance' of libruls that can't reconcile this flawless new argument with their pre-conceived librul beliefs. It's a sad cycle, I see it all too many times lately.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19399 Posts
July 21 2016 14:05 GMT
#87544
On July 21 2016 23:00 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 22:53 GoTuNk! wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:46 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:44 farvacola wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 21 2016 21:44 farvacola wrote:
Lol, it's like SoSexy and Gotunk are conservative bots who troll politics threads by posting randomly generated, anti-liberal snippets without any context. Like someone in the Europe thread said, I guess it's a new kind of Tourette's.

Probably the best you are going to get. This thread is certainly not conservative friendly based on the majority of posts I've read.

Nah, posters like xDaunt, Introvert, oBlade, and Clutz are pretty clear examples that being a conservative poster doesn't mean that one has to resort to acontextual proclamations of disgust. Funnily enough, those sorts of posts increased alongside Trump's ascension. Not a coincidence, I think


I think a fair amount of team loyalty contributed to it. I know plenty of people who were disgusted by Trump and now sing his praise now that he's the nominee. It's weird. It's like the things they used to think suddenly don't matter.

It's like some sorta tribal weird shit where if you kill the leader, you are now the loved leader.


Anything but the democrats is certainly not something hard to understand.

I have the same feeling for the vast majority of the Republicans in government.

I've always been a fiscal conservative. The republican party in DC has certainly forgotten what that means and now are just in pissing contest over social issues instead. Trump (who I do not support) or not, I've moved over to the libertarian party because at least I know Gary Johnson is going to be a true fiscal conservative.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 21 2016 14:11 GMT
#87545
On July 21 2016 23:05 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 23:00 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:53 GoTuNk! wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:46 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:44 farvacola wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 21 2016 21:44 farvacola wrote:
Lol, it's like SoSexy and Gotunk are conservative bots who troll politics threads by posting randomly generated, anti-liberal snippets without any context. Like someone in the Europe thread said, I guess it's a new kind of Tourette's.

Probably the best you are going to get. This thread is certainly not conservative friendly based on the majority of posts I've read.

Nah, posters like xDaunt, Introvert, oBlade, and Clutz are pretty clear examples that being a conservative poster doesn't mean that one has to resort to acontextual proclamations of disgust. Funnily enough, those sorts of posts increased alongside Trump's ascension. Not a coincidence, I think


I think a fair amount of team loyalty contributed to it. I know plenty of people who were disgusted by Trump and now sing his praise now that he's the nominee. It's weird. It's like the things they used to think suddenly don't matter.

It's like some sorta tribal weird shit where if you kill the leader, you are now the loved leader.


Anything but the democrats is certainly not something hard to understand.

I have the same feeling for the vast majority of the Republicans in government.

I've always been a fiscal conservative. The republican party in DC has certainly forgotten what that means and now are just in pissing contest over social issues instead. Trump (who I do not support) or not, I've moved over to the libertarian party because at least I know Gary Johnson is going to be a true fiscal conservative.


Johnson is surprisingly not shitty. Anyone wanna fill me in on his Stein-like fatal flaws? For example, Stein doesn't deny the benefit of holistic medicine, as well as many other silly anti-science things.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-21 14:14:08
July 21 2016 14:12 GMT
#87546
On July 21 2016 23:05 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 23:00 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:53 GoTuNk! wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:46 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:44 farvacola wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 21 2016 21:44 farvacola wrote:
Lol, it's like SoSexy and Gotunk are conservative bots who troll politics threads by posting randomly generated, anti-liberal snippets without any context. Like someone in the Europe thread said, I guess it's a new kind of Tourette's.

Probably the best you are going to get. This thread is certainly not conservative friendly based on the majority of posts I've read.

Nah, posters like xDaunt, Introvert, oBlade, and Clutz are pretty clear examples that being a conservative poster doesn't mean that one has to resort to acontextual proclamations of disgust. Funnily enough, those sorts of posts increased alongside Trump's ascension. Not a coincidence, I think


I think a fair amount of team loyalty contributed to it. I know plenty of people who were disgusted by Trump and now sing his praise now that he's the nominee. It's weird. It's like the things they used to think suddenly don't matter.

It's like some sorta tribal weird shit where if you kill the leader, you are now the loved leader.


Anything but the democrats is certainly not something hard to understand.

I have the same feeling for the vast majority of the Republicans in government.

I've always been a fiscal conservative. The republican party in DC has certainly forgotten what that means and now are just in pissing contest over social issues instead. Trump (who I do not support) or not, I've moved over to the libertarian party because at least I know Gary Johnson is going to be a true fiscal conservative.

I’m the son of an Irish democrat that spent his Sundays at church and gardening with his fiscally conservative, engineer grandfather who was a lifelong Republican. My entire youth was spent debating a guy who just knew more than me about politics and life in general. All of his grandchildren were progressive liberals, even the ones that served in the military. We just knew how to balance our check books. He never disagreed with our arguments about civil liberties, only how to enforce and protect them. I have no problem with grandfather’s vision Republican party.

This is not his party. It stopped being his party a long time ago. The last two elections he didn’t vote Republican.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 21 2016 14:20 GMT
#87547
On July 21 2016 23:11 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 23:05 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 21 2016 23:00 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:53 GoTuNk! wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:46 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:44 farvacola wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 21 2016 21:44 farvacola wrote:
Lol, it's like SoSexy and Gotunk are conservative bots who troll politics threads by posting randomly generated, anti-liberal snippets without any context. Like someone in the Europe thread said, I guess it's a new kind of Tourette's.

Probably the best you are going to get. This thread is certainly not conservative friendly based on the majority of posts I've read.

Nah, posters like xDaunt, Introvert, oBlade, and Clutz are pretty clear examples that being a conservative poster doesn't mean that one has to resort to acontextual proclamations of disgust. Funnily enough, those sorts of posts increased alongside Trump's ascension. Not a coincidence, I think


I think a fair amount of team loyalty contributed to it. I know plenty of people who were disgusted by Trump and now sing his praise now that he's the nominee. It's weird. It's like the things they used to think suddenly don't matter.

It's like some sorta tribal weird shit where if you kill the leader, you are now the loved leader.


Anything but the democrats is certainly not something hard to understand.

I have the same feeling for the vast majority of the Republicans in government.

I've always been a fiscal conservative. The republican party in DC has certainly forgotten what that means and now are just in pissing contest over social issues instead. Trump (who I do not support) or not, I've moved over to the libertarian party because at least I know Gary Johnson is going to be a true fiscal conservative.


Johnson is surprisingly not shitty. Anyone wanna fill me in on his Stein-like fatal flaws? For example, Stein doesn't deny the benefit of holistic medicine, as well as many other silly anti-science things.

I'm not aware of any obvious ones; he seemed pretty reasonable to me. iirc some of his past views are a bit off, but he seems pretty reasonable now. The libertarian party is quite wacky though (watching their primary debates).
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
July 21 2016 14:25 GMT
#87548
On July 21 2016 12:15 oBlade wrote:
Cruz is the candidate who represented the Huckabee/Santorum wing of the party this cycle. It's not someone you want to ever be the Presidential candidate. That direction should be a clear a dead end for the future of the party.

Speaking but not endorsing the nominee was classless, but will be forgotten quickly as the campaign gets going.

That's the wing of the party that's been most successful lately though. The Tea Party has been running successful primary campaigns to the right of Republican incumbents for 8 years.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 21 2016 14:29 GMT
#87549
On July 21 2016 23:25 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 12:15 oBlade wrote:
Cruz is the candidate who represented the Huckabee/Santorum wing of the party this cycle. It's not someone you want to ever be the Presidential candidate. That direction should be a clear a dead end for the future of the party.

Speaking but not endorsing the nominee was classless, but will be forgotten quickly as the campaign gets going.

That's the wing of the party that's been most successful lately though. The Tea Party has been running successful primary campaigns to the right of Republican incumbents for 8 years.


this year will be an interesting test to see how many of them can survive re-election.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-21 14:57:12
July 21 2016 14:56 GMT
#87550
On July 21 2016 23:05 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 23:00 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:53 GoTuNk! wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:46 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:44 farvacola wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 21 2016 21:44 farvacola wrote:
Lol, it's like SoSexy and Gotunk are conservative bots who troll politics threads by posting randomly generated, anti-liberal snippets without any context. Like someone in the Europe thread said, I guess it's a new kind of Tourette's.

Probably the best you are going to get. This thread is certainly not conservative friendly based on the majority of posts I've read.

Nah, posters like xDaunt, Introvert, oBlade, and Clutz are pretty clear examples that being a conservative poster doesn't mean that one has to resort to acontextual proclamations of disgust. Funnily enough, those sorts of posts increased alongside Trump's ascension. Not a coincidence, I think


I think a fair amount of team loyalty contributed to it. I know plenty of people who were disgusted by Trump and now sing his praise now that he's the nominee. It's weird. It's like the things they used to think suddenly don't matter.

It's like some sorta tribal weird shit where if you kill the leader, you are now the loved leader.


Anything but the democrats is certainly not something hard to understand.

I have the same feeling for the vast majority of the Republicans in government.

I've always been a fiscal conservative. The republican party in DC has certainly forgotten what that means and now are just in pissing contest over social issues instead. Trump (who I do not support) or not, I've moved over to the libertarian party because at least I know Gary Johnson is going to be a true fiscal conservative.


You are a role model for other conservatives.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 21 2016 15:14 GMT
#87551
On July 21 2016 23:05 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 23:00 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:53 GoTuNk! wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:46 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:44 farvacola wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 21 2016 21:44 farvacola wrote:
Lol, it's like SoSexy and Gotunk are conservative bots who troll politics threads by posting randomly generated, anti-liberal snippets without any context. Like someone in the Europe thread said, I guess it's a new kind of Tourette's.

Probably the best you are going to get. This thread is certainly not conservative friendly based on the majority of posts I've read.

Nah, posters like xDaunt, Introvert, oBlade, and Clutz are pretty clear examples that being a conservative poster doesn't mean that one has to resort to acontextual proclamations of disgust. Funnily enough, those sorts of posts increased alongside Trump's ascension. Not a coincidence, I think


I think a fair amount of team loyalty contributed to it. I know plenty of people who were disgusted by Trump and now sing his praise now that he's the nominee. It's weird. It's like the things they used to think suddenly don't matter.

It's like some sorta tribal weird shit where if you kill the leader, you are now the loved leader.


Anything but the democrats is certainly not something hard to understand.

I have the same feeling for the vast majority of the Republicans in government.

I've always been a fiscal conservative. The republican party in DC has certainly forgotten what that means and now are just in pissing contest over social issues instead. Trump (who I do not support) or not, I've moved over to the libertarian party because at least I know Gary Johnson is going to be a true fiscal conservative.


We cool.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
July 21 2016 15:16 GMT
#87552
I don't think the Trump campaign is very good at reading speeches if they really vetted the Cruz speech and gave it the go-ahead. As if we didn't already know that from Day 1.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 21 2016 15:16 GMT
#87553
If nothing else, Trump has (intentionally or not) created a spectacle with the GOP convention that has dominated this week's headlines. People are going to be comparatively bored with the democrat convention.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 21 2016 15:17 GMT
#87554
On July 22 2016 00:16 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I don't think the Trump campaign is very good at reading speeches if they really vetted the Cruz speech and gave it the go-ahead. As if we didn't already know that from Day 1.


Official Trump campaign press release: "Clearly Lyin' Ted did not have the best words, only I have the best words".
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 21 2016 15:20 GMT
#87555
I have doubts that Trump was aware of Cruz’s speech or that he could have done anything about it if he wanted to.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 21 2016 15:26 GMT
#87556
On July 22 2016 00:16 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I don't think the Trump campaign is very good at reading speeches if they really vetted the Cruz speech and gave it the go-ahead. As if we didn't already know that from Day 1.


It's likely they breezed over it and then assumed he wouldn't go full on revolutionary.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
July 21 2016 15:33 GMT
#87557
I've heard it compared to Marc Anthony's speech. If you look at the words it seems innocuous enough at first, but how the words are said matters significantly.

There's a way to say what Cruz said that makes it clear he's supporting Trump, and there's a way to say it that makes it clear he isn't. He went with the latter.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
July 21 2016 15:34 GMT
#87558
On July 22 2016 00:16 xDaunt wrote:
If nothing else, Trump has (intentionally or not) created a spectacle with the GOP convention that has dominated this week's headlines. People are going to be comparatively bored with the democrat convention.


There's that lovely spin I was waiting for. I bet you also think there is no such thing as bad press.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19399 Posts
July 21 2016 15:40 GMT
#87559
On July 22 2016 00:16 xDaunt wrote:
If nothing else, Trump has (intentionally or not) created a spectacle with the GOP convention that has dominated this week's headlines. People are going to be comparatively bored with the democrat convention.

Unless Dems chant "Lock her up" or Bernie streaks across the stage.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 21 2016 15:45 GMT
#87560
On July 22 2016 00:16 xDaunt wrote:
If nothing else, Trump has (intentionally or not) created a spectacle with the GOP convention that has dominated this week's headlines. People are going to be comparatively bored with the democrat convention.


sure, people also slow down to look at a trainwreck.
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