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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9256 Posts
July 21 2016 11:35 GMT
#87521
On July 21 2016 20:02 a_flayer wrote:
Wow, I just saw a bunch of clips from speakers at the RNC... granted it was from the Daily Show so I probably only got a select few clips, but that was terrifying man. How can people stand on stage and say such things? All the fear and hate mongering... It's hard to believe that they actually spoke like that.

Edit: Oh god I need to stay out of this thread, it is way too upsetting lol

Newt's speech was hilariously fear mongering, and I had to actually argue with someone on this thread that Europe is not on the brink of civil war like he claimed..
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
July 21 2016 12:03 GMT
#87522
For example, asked about Russia’s threatening activities that have unnerved the small Baltic States that are the most recent entrants into NATO, Mr. Trump said that if Russia attacked them, he would decide whether to come to their aid only after reviewing whether those nations “have fulfilled their obligations to us.”

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/21/us/politics/donald-trump-issues.html?_r=0
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18875 Posts
July 21 2016 12:06 GMT
#87523
"The world doesn't trust us anymore! Oh yeah, all mandatory treaty agreements are now discretionary."

Lol
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10988 Posts
July 21 2016 12:25 GMT
#87524
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/21/fla-police-shoot-black-man-with-his-hands-up-as-he-tries-to-help-autistic-patient/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_mm-florida-420am:homepage/story

In cellphone footage of the incident that emerged Wednesday, Kinsey can be seen lying on the ground with his hands in the air, trying to calm the autistic man and defuse the situation seconds before he is shot.

“All he has is a toy truck in his hand,” Kinsey can be heard saying in the video as police officers with assault rifles hide behind telephone poles approximately 30 feet away.

“That’s all it is,” the caretaker says. “There is no need for guns.”

Seconds later, off camera, one of the officers fired his weapon three times.


Ahm, is your Police force actually trying to be as horrible as possible?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18875 Posts
July 21 2016 12:31 GMT
#87525
Given my experience with Florida police, the answer is probably yes. Given the tenor of the RNC, I doubt much will change in the short term.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
July 21 2016 12:41 GMT
#87526
'Liberals' at it once again - this time against a gay man who doesn't fit their agenda. Disgusting.
Dating thread on TL LUL
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22702 Posts
July 21 2016 12:42 GMT
#87527
On July 21 2016 21:25 Velr wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/21/fla-police-shoot-black-man-with-his-hands-up-as-he-tries-to-help-autistic-patient/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_mm-florida-420am:homepage/story

Show nested quote +
In cellphone footage of the incident that emerged Wednesday, Kinsey can be seen lying on the ground with his hands in the air, trying to calm the autistic man and defuse the situation seconds before he is shot.

“All he has is a toy truck in his hand,” Kinsey can be heard saying in the video as police officers with assault rifles hide behind telephone poles approximately 30 feet away.

“That’s all it is,” the caretaker says. “There is no need for guns.”

Seconds later, off camera, one of the officers fired his weapon three times.


Ahm, is your Police force actually trying to be as horrible as possible?

Remember, there is no systematic problem with US police force.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18875 Posts
July 21 2016 12:44 GMT
#87528
Lol, it's like SoSexy and Gotunk are conservative bots who troll politics threads by posting randomly generated, anti-liberal snippets without any context. Like someone in the Europe thread said, I guess it's a new kind of Tourette's.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 21 2016 12:53 GMT
#87529
On July 21 2016 21:44 farvacola wrote:
Lol, it's like SoSexy and Gotunk are conservative bots who troll politics threads by posting randomly generated, anti-liberal snippets without any context. Like someone in the Europe thread said, I guess it's a new kind of Tourette's.

Its like that twitter feed that used to be around “No Context Youtube Comments”.

It seems Trump doesn’t understand that the reason most of the EU didn’t develop nukes is because of the treaties we signed with them that we would retaliate if they were attacked. That the world was a better place if only the US and the USSR were in an arms race.

And that part of the reason treaties work is that we agreed to follow through on the agreement no matter which president made the deal. But I get that those concepts are to big picture for our current GOP nominee.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46686 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-21 13:11:16
July 21 2016 13:10 GMT
#87530
On July 21 2016 21:41 SoSexy wrote:
'Liberals' at it once again - this time against a gay man who doesn't fit their agenda. Disgusting.


Are you talking about Milo?

You're right that being a patronizing, condescending, passive aggressive, incendiary, bigoted asshole is not a preferable "agenda" for most liberals, but him being gay has nothing to do with those words and actions of his. His sexual orientation is just a red herring. He's been banned from Twitter repeatedly for his crap because it's against the Terms of Service (this: https://support.twitter.com/articles/20170425 and this: https://support.twitter.com/articles/18311 at the very least).
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 21 2016 13:15 GMT
#87531
Its almost like being gay doesn’t matter to liberals if you also happen to be a self serving, narcissistic asshole who dressed like a rejected power rangers villain.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 21 2016 13:38 GMT
#87532
On July 21 2016 22:15 Plansix wrote:
Its almost like being gay doesn’t matter to liberals if you also happen to be a self serving, narcissistic asshole who dressed like a rejected power rangers villain.


Yeah, it's almost like the liberal perspective is that gay people are just people and should be treated and viewed like any other person.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12076 Posts
July 21 2016 13:39 GMT
#87533
On July 21 2016 21:42 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 21:25 Velr wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/21/fla-police-shoot-black-man-with-his-hands-up-as-he-tries-to-help-autistic-patient/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_mm-florida-420am:homepage/story

In cellphone footage of the incident that emerged Wednesday, Kinsey can be seen lying on the ground with his hands in the air, trying to calm the autistic man and defuse the situation seconds before he is shot.

“All he has is a toy truck in his hand,” Kinsey can be heard saying in the video as police officers with assault rifles hide behind telephone poles approximately 30 feet away.

“That’s all it is,” the caretaker says. “There is no need for guns.”

Seconds later, off camera, one of the officers fired his weapon three times.


Ahm, is your Police force actually trying to be as horrible as possible?

Remember, there is no systematic problem with US police force.


You always think they can't be more incompetent than the last time. And then they manage to shoot an unarmed men lying on his back with his hands in the air, who calmly explains the situation beforehand.

Who the fuck trains those cops? What are their procedures that allow for that to happen? To be honest, if i were in the US, i would be scared as hell when dealing with cops. There does not seem to be anything you can do to prevent them from shooting you. I guess being white helps. But it really shouldn't.

Why are there even cops with assault rifle responding to a call of someone threatening suicide?

There is no harm in taking help when you need it. There are lots of countries with competent police forces who manage to barely ever shoot unarmed people. Take a look at how those work. Steal their training routines. Steal their procedures. This shit is a disgrace. Fix it.

It should be possible to interact with the police without a constant threat of being shot for no apparent reason, because the cop flipped out and got scared by a passing dog or whatever.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19399 Posts
July 21 2016 13:40 GMT
#87534
On July 21 2016 21:44 farvacola wrote:
Lol, it's like SoSexy and Gotunk are conservative bots who troll politics threads by posting randomly generated, anti-liberal snippets without any context. Like someone in the Europe thread said, I guess it's a new kind of Tourette's.

Probably the best you are going to get. This thread is certainly not conservative friendly based on the majority of posts I've read.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 21 2016 13:41 GMT
#87535
On July 21 2016 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 21:44 farvacola wrote:
Lol, it's like SoSexy and Gotunk are conservative bots who troll politics threads by posting randomly generated, anti-liberal snippets without any context. Like someone in the Europe thread said, I guess it's a new kind of Tourette's.

Probably the best you are going to get. This thread is certainly not conservative friendly based on the majority of posts I've read.

It's a lot friendlier to reasonable, intelligent posters imho. So I'd think we'd get more people like that. Of course such people tend to be quieter in general on forums.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18875 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-21 13:44:46
July 21 2016 13:44 GMT
#87536
On July 21 2016 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 21:44 farvacola wrote:
Lol, it's like SoSexy and Gotunk are conservative bots who troll politics threads by posting randomly generated, anti-liberal snippets without any context. Like someone in the Europe thread said, I guess it's a new kind of Tourette's.

Probably the best you are going to get. This thread is certainly not conservative friendly based on the majority of posts I've read.

Nah, posters like xDaunt, Introvert, oBlade, and Clutz are pretty clear examples that being a conservative poster doesn't mean that one has to resort to acontextual proclamations of disgust. Funnily enough, those sorts of posts increased alongside Trump's ascension. Not a coincidence, I think
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-21 13:47:13
July 21 2016 13:46 GMT
#87537
On July 21 2016 22:44 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 21 2016 21:44 farvacola wrote:
Lol, it's like SoSexy and Gotunk are conservative bots who troll politics threads by posting randomly generated, anti-liberal snippets without any context. Like someone in the Europe thread said, I guess it's a new kind of Tourette's.

Probably the best you are going to get. This thread is certainly not conservative friendly based on the majority of posts I've read.

Nah, posters like xDaunt, Introvert, oBlade, and Clutz are pretty clear examples that being a conservative poster doesn't mean that one has to resort to acontextual proclamations of disgust. Funnily enough, those sorts of posts increased alongside Trump's ascension. Not a coincidence, I think


I think a fair amount of team loyalty contributed to it. I know plenty of people who were disgusted by Trump and now sing his praise now that he's the nominee. It's weird. It's like the things they used to think suddenly don't matter.

It's like some sorta tribal weird shit where if you kill the leader, you are now the loved leader.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
July 21 2016 13:53 GMT
#87538
On July 21 2016 22:46 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 22:44 farvacola wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 21 2016 21:44 farvacola wrote:
Lol, it's like SoSexy and Gotunk are conservative bots who troll politics threads by posting randomly generated, anti-liberal snippets without any context. Like someone in the Europe thread said, I guess it's a new kind of Tourette's.

Probably the best you are going to get. This thread is certainly not conservative friendly based on the majority of posts I've read.

Nah, posters like xDaunt, Introvert, oBlade, and Clutz are pretty clear examples that being a conservative poster doesn't mean that one has to resort to acontextual proclamations of disgust. Funnily enough, those sorts of posts increased alongside Trump's ascension. Not a coincidence, I think


I think a fair amount of team loyalty contributed to it. I know plenty of people who were disgusted by Trump and now sing his praise now that he's the nominee. It's weird. It's like the things they used to think suddenly don't matter.

It's like some sorta tribal weird shit where if you kill the leader, you are now the loved leader.


Anything but the democrats is certainly not something hard to understand.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18875 Posts
July 21 2016 14:00 GMT
#87539
If "anything but the Democrats" were all that is required, then we wouldn't be having one of the most contested RNCs in history.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 21 2016 14:00 GMT
#87540
On July 21 2016 22:53 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 22:46 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:44 farvacola wrote:
On July 21 2016 22:40 BisuDagger wrote:
On July 21 2016 21:44 farvacola wrote:
Lol, it's like SoSexy and Gotunk are conservative bots who troll politics threads by posting randomly generated, anti-liberal snippets without any context. Like someone in the Europe thread said, I guess it's a new kind of Tourette's.

Probably the best you are going to get. This thread is certainly not conservative friendly based on the majority of posts I've read.

Nah, posters like xDaunt, Introvert, oBlade, and Clutz are pretty clear examples that being a conservative poster doesn't mean that one has to resort to acontextual proclamations of disgust. Funnily enough, those sorts of posts increased alongside Trump's ascension. Not a coincidence, I think


I think a fair amount of team loyalty contributed to it. I know plenty of people who were disgusted by Trump and now sing his praise now that he's the nominee. It's weird. It's like the things they used to think suddenly don't matter.

It's like some sorta tribal weird shit where if you kill the leader, you are now the loved leader.


Anything but the democrats is certainly not something hard to understand.

I have the same feeling for the vast majority of the Republicans in government.
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