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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
July 18 2016 17:23 GMT
#86041
Is anyone watching the Republican Convention?

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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-18 17:35:49
July 18 2016 17:28 GMT
#86042
On July 19 2016 02:16 Gorsameth wrote:
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On July 19 2016 02:11 Godwrath wrote:
On July 19 2016 02:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 19 2016 00:01 Godwrath wrote:
I don't know about others people experiences in the army, but most women i met on the army were gay. But i guess that Pence was right all along because on of them was going out with her (female) superior. Oh man.

Oh, and women barracks were certainly an interesting place, but not for males.


I don't really know what you're trying to say about gay or military women here. I haven't found the 'most military women are lesbos' stereotype to be true in my experience.

Fraternization and unprofessional relationships (such as those between a superior and a subordinate) are strictly prohibited in any case.

I am saying that most women i met when i was in the military were self declared gay, not that i thought they were boyish and gay. And your experience may differ, that's why i said in my experience in the first place.

About the second point, and i don't know how it is on the US army,, since you can ask to move to a different unit so you are not in direct subordination, which is what she did and here it is fine (same for marriages), and i doubt the US army is less progressive in that regard.

You doubt the US army is less progressive?

Less then 5 years ago if you were discovered to be gay in the US army you had to leave...


And now it employs Equal Opportunity offices to prevent discrimination of any kind. You will literally be given an Article 15 (career-damaging punishment) and lose rank for offensive language against homosexuals. Multiculturalism and tolerance is mandated in various tertiary training programs and online classes you have to take and renew annually in the military.

The military is a very different place than it was 5-10 years ago if you ask anyone who still serves from that time. Anyone who says it isn't progressive has no fucking clue what they're talking about.

If there is a systematic issue in the military EVERYONE is punished for it. While it sucks, it very directly addresses any sort of systematic discrimination in a way that most 'college liberal progressives' would probably cry about as unfair. It very much doesn't just discourage bad behavior, but it encourages everyone, even if most people aren't involved, to proactively stand against bad behaviors and prevent them from happening, else they be punished too.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 18 2016 17:41 GMT
#86043
On July 18 2016 23:23 kapibara-san wrote:
ghostwriter of art of the deal goes hard on trump rofl

pretty good read

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all
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also cowboy64 claiming kwark's rant had nothing to do with his implication that bullying mexico was good imperialism was pretty funny


This is pretty damning. The narcissism and compulsiveness...hard to believe people want this guy to be President.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19231 Posts
July 18 2016 17:43 GMT
#86044
On July 19 2016 02:41 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2016 23:23 kapibara-san wrote:
ghostwriter of art of the deal goes hard on trump rofl

pretty good read

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all
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also cowboy64 claiming kwark's rant had nothing to do with his implication that bullying mexico was good imperialism was pretty funny


This is pretty damning. The narcissism and compulsiveness...hard to believe people want this guy to be President.

Hard to believe anyone wants either candidate.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 18 2016 17:48 GMT
#86045
On July 19 2016 02:21 zlefin wrote:
Haven't followed the Gray case closely, interested in general info about it though, if anyone watched parts of the trials/has seen good analyses of it. Did the prosecution do a good job? or was it inept? Did it seem like the problem was getting past the reasonable doubt point?

I find it interesting that each of the officers have waved their right to a jury trial. The one that went to a jury was a mistrial due to a hung jury.

The entire thing is ridiculous. Someone has some level of fault, even if it's s few years jail time or probation. But zero fault means that officers don't need to care if the people they arrest live or die in custody.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-18 17:52:56
July 18 2016 17:51 GMT
#86046
I suspect the city will have to pay out some money in the lawsuit over it at least.
One reason I asked about the prosecution's case quality was I remember from the Trayvon Martin case that the prosecution seemed quite lousy and inept, while the defense did a really good job.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
kapibara-san
Profile Joined July 2016
Japan415 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-18 18:05:04
July 18 2016 18:00 GMT
#86047
in retrospect my selection of quotes for that new yorker article was pretty bad

this screenshot's the best

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or maybe this one

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http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all
tfw your posting style is obnoxious to everybody else but strangely compelling to you... like a fart...
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 18 2016 18:05 GMT
#86048
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
July 18 2016 18:09 GMT
#86049
On July 19 2016 03:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/StealthBlue/status/755097905908813824


The truth.

Very very few people can genuinely say this like either candidate. Democrats didn't really have a choice if they wanted someone "normal", as Bernie would be a big change that many weren't prepared for.

Trump on the otherhand, I dunno, I'm not the mind of an evangelical voter... But I think there were false hopes that he'd get better. I thought people like Rubio would have done a nice job, but the personal attacks worked surprisingly effectively for Trump.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 18 2016 18:11 GMT
#86050
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28665 Posts
July 18 2016 18:15 GMT
#86051
On July 19 2016 03:00 kapibara-san wrote:
in retrospect my selection of quotes for that new yorker article was pretty bad

this screenshot's the best

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or maybe this one

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http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all


That's fucking beautiful. This is coming from basically the guy who knows donald trump the best outside his family. And it's one of the most savage attacks I've seen..
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
July 18 2016 18:21 GMT
#86052
The Trump campaign worked behind the scenes last week to make sure the new Republican platform won’t call for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces, contradicting the view of almost all Republican foreign policy leaders in Washington.

Throughout the campaign, Trump has been dismissive of calls for supporting the Ukraine government as it fights an ongoing Russian-led intervention. Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.

Still, Republican delegates at last week’s national security committee platform meeting in Cleveland were surprised when the Trump campaign orchestrated a set of events to make sure that the GOP would not pledge to give Ukraine the weapons it has been asking for from the United States.

Inside the meeting, Diana Denman, a platform committee member from Texas who was a Ted Cruz supporter, proposed a platform amendment that would call for maintaining or increasing sanctions against Russia, increasing aid for Ukraine and “providing lethal defensive weapons” to the Ukrainian military.

“Today, the post-Cold War ideal of a ‘Europe whole and free’ is being severely tested by Russia’s ongoing military aggression in Ukraine,” the amendment read. “The Ukrainian people deserve our admiration and support in their struggle.”

Trump staffers in the room, who are not delegates but are there to oversee the process, intervened. By working with pro-Trump delegates, they were able to get the issue tabled while they devised a method to roll back the language.

On the sideline, Denman tried to persuade the Trump staffers not to change the language, but failed. “I was troubled when they put aside my amendment and then watered it down,” Denman told me. “I said, ‘What is your problem with a country that wants to remain free?’ It seems like a simple thing.”

Finally, Trump staffers wrote an amendment to Denman’s amendment that stripped out the platform’s call for “providing lethal defensive weapons” and replaced it with softer language calling for “appropriate assistance.”

That amendment was voted on and passed. When the Republican Party releases its platform Monday, the official Republican party position on arms for Ukraine will be at odds with almost all the party’s national security leaders.

“This is another example of Trump being out of step with GOP leadership and the mainstream in a way that shows he would be dangerous for America and the world,” said Rachel Hoff, another platform committee member who was in the room.

Of course, Trump is not the only politician to oppose sending lethal weapons to Ukraine. President Obama decided not to authorize it, despite recommendations to do so from his top Europe officials in the State Department and the military. The United States has provided Ukraine with non-lethal equipment and aid.

Trump’s view of Russia has always been friendlier than most Republicans. He’s said he would “get along very well” with Vladimir Putin and called it a “great honor” when Putin praised him. Trump has done a lot of business in Russia and has been traveling there since 1987. Last August, he said of Ukraine joining NATO, “I wouldn’t care.” He traveled there in September, and he told Ukrainians their war is “really a problem that affects Europe a lot more than it affects us.”

For Trump, the biggest threat to Europe is not Russia, according to people familiar with his thinking. He believes the United States should focus on helping Europe fight Islamist terrorism and open borders, not confronting Putin. He has called for a reduction of the U.S. commitment to NATO. He simply doesn’t see Russia as a dangerous threat.

For Denman, the Trump campaign’s actions betrayed the U.S. commitment to supporting struggling democracies around the world, which she considers a core Republican value.

“The Ukrainian people are trying to come out of the past and stay free. We owe to those who are fighting for freedom still to give them a helping hand,” she said.

“I’m very passionate and supportive of the Reagan foreign policy of peace through strength.”

Trump too often invokes Ronald Reagan when talking about America’s role in the world. But although Reagan negotiated with the Soviet Union, he also stood up to Russian aggression in Europe and defended democratic principles abroad.

When the platform comes out, Republicans will see how far from the Reagan doctrine their party has drifted, thanks to Trump.

Source

Pretty sure it would be symbolic at best, but... props to Trump for the effort.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 18 2016 18:23 GMT
#86053
As Day One of the GOP’s national convention was gaveled into session Monday afternoon, discord within the fractured Republican Party was already on full display.

Republicans who have yet to fall in line behind Donald Trump found themselves in the cross hairs of his campaign, with surrogates for the Manhattan billionaire fanning out to trash the holdouts.

Newt Gingrich, fresh off finishing behind Indiana Gov. Mike Pence in the race to win a spot on the ticket alongside Trump, laid into 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney, who has been perhaps the loudest Republican voice opposing the party’s nominee. The former House speaker painted Romney as a wishy-washy Republican who wouldn’t say whether he supported Ronald Reagan in 1984 and refused to support Gingrich’s Contract with America in the 1990s. Romney, Gingrich said in an interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” was willing to support Republicans only “as long as we were supporting him.”

Gingrich had similarly harsh words on ABC for the Bush family, none of whom have backed Trump and none of whom are scheduled to attend this week’s festivities. They won't be missed, Gingrich said.

“The reason people nominated Donald Trump is they weren’t happy, and frankly the Bushes are behaving, I think, childishly,” Gingrich told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos.

“Childishly?” Stephanopoulos replied.

“Childishly,” Gingrich said. “I mean, Jeb lost. You know, Get over it. I mean, the fact is, this Republican Party has been awfully good to the Bushes.”

Trump’s campaign chief, Paul Manafort, also took a dig at the anti-Trump wing of the Republican Party on Monday morning in an exchange with MSNBC host Mika Brzezinski. In response to a comment from Brzezinski that the RNC’s speaker lineup lacked some of the party’s biggest names, Manafort countered that all major Republicans “except for one or two” would be at the convention.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
kapibara-san
Profile Joined July 2016
Japan415 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-18 18:24:38
July 18 2016 18:24 GMT
#86054
also i'm not sure if this has been linked here yet, apologies if it has, but this 60 minutes interview is pretty hilarious

highlight in spoiler
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/18/donald-trump-is-way-more-humble-than-you-could-possibly-understand/
tfw your posting style is obnoxious to everybody else but strangely compelling to you... like a fart...
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 18 2016 18:28 GMT
#86055
"I genuinely believe if Trump wins there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization"

rofl
kapibara-san
Profile Joined July 2016
Japan415 Posts
July 18 2016 18:32 GMT
#86056
On July 19 2016 03:28 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
"I genuinely believe if Trump wins there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization"

rofl

did you read the article? it's pretty much about how there is actually nothing deeper inside trump than his own ego

this is a guy who followed him around and listened in on his business phonecalls for quite awhile
tfw your posting style is obnoxious to everybody else but strangely compelling to you... like a fart...
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 18 2016 18:35 GMT
#86057
On July 19 2016 03:32 kapibara-san wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 03:28 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
"I genuinely believe if Trump wins there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization"

rofl

did you read the article? it's pretty much about how there is actually nothing deeper inside trump than his own ego

this is a guy who followed him around and listened in on his business phonecalls for quite awhile


'it will lead to the end of civilization'

How do you expect me to take him seriously when he says shit like that?

It's just another grossly exaggerated political attack ad, get real
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10698 Posts
July 18 2016 18:36 GMT
#86058
On July 19 2016 03:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diaCHYO7haY


ahaha, the balls :D


To bad he isn't colbert anymore
kapibara-san
Profile Joined July 2016
Japan415 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-18 18:48:46
July 18 2016 18:46 GMT
#86059
On July 19 2016 03:35 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 03:32 kapibara-san wrote:
On July 19 2016 03:28 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
"I genuinely believe if Trump wins there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization"

rofl

did you read the article? it's pretty much about how there is actually nothing deeper inside trump than his own ego

this is a guy who followed him around and listened in on his business phonecalls for quite awhile


'it will lead to the end of civilization'

How do you expect me to take him seriously when he says shit like that?

It's just another grossly exaggerated political attack ad, get real

he wrote the entirety of The Art of the Deal...

it was his job to spin Trump as well as possible, and his views on Trump are more valid than anyone's, really

this is what i talked about when i talked about throwing out an entire message because of its shittiest components...

intellectual laziness

also quite some level of irony for disregarding someone for exaggerated/bombastic speech as a Trump supporter
tfw your posting style is obnoxious to everybody else but strangely compelling to you... like a fart...
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 18 2016 18:55 GMT
#86060
On July 19 2016 03:46 kapibara-san wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 03:35 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 19 2016 03:32 kapibara-san wrote:
On July 19 2016 03:28 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
"I genuinely believe if Trump wins there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization"

rofl

did you read the article? it's pretty much about how there is actually nothing deeper inside trump than his own ego

this is a guy who followed him around and listened in on his business phonecalls for quite awhile


'it will lead to the end of civilization'

How do you expect me to take him seriously when he says shit like that?

It's just another grossly exaggerated political attack ad, get real

he wrote the entirety of The Art of the Deal...

it was his job to spin Trump as well as possible, and his views on Trump are more valid than anyone's, really

this is what i talked about when i talked about throwing out an entire message because of its shittiest components...

intellectual laziness

also quite some level of irony for disregarding someone for exaggerated/bombastic speech as a Trump supporter


I'm sorry the quotes you shared were just character-assassination pieces I've seen a hundred times from the left this cycle

"if Trump is elected the world will end, america is doomed, be scared, he's a psychopath fascist"

Me not taking that seriously is not being intellectually lazy - you're just not worth listening to when you say shit like that

It's not ironic at all because I don't take Trump seriously when he's clearly exaggerating his attacks on Hillary, or Hillary seriously when she does it to Trump. You are the one with double-standards here. The only irony here is your accusing me of intellectual laziness

By all means continue shitposting. Don't let me stop you from circlejerking how psycopathic trump is and how the world is going to end if he's elected
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