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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15687 Posts
July 18 2016 16:05 GMT
#86021
Holy shit @ the Paul Ryan with interns picture. Is there even a single tan person, let alone brown? What a mess.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
July 18 2016 16:16 GMT
#86022
There is one, you just gotta look really thoroughly.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1352 Posts
July 18 2016 16:36 GMT
#86023
This pence guy looks pretty solid.
Polls are looking a bit better as well again. The trump train is back on track to crush crooked Hillary in November.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
July 18 2016 16:39 GMT
#86024
On July 19 2016 01:05 Mohdoo wrote:
Holy shit @ the Paul Ryan with interns picture. Is there even a single tan person, let alone brown? What a mess.


does this matter?
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42656 Posts
July 18 2016 16:45 GMT
#86025
On July 19 2016 01:39 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 01:05 Mohdoo wrote:
Holy shit @ the Paul Ryan with interns picture. Is there even a single tan person, let alone brown? What a mess.


does this matter?

Not if we assume that they selected the best applicant every time, regardless of race, that diversity for the sake of diversity has no value and that public perception is unimportant. But even then it's a stunningly poor PR move.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15687 Posts
July 18 2016 16:47 GMT
#86026
On July 19 2016 01:39 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 01:05 Mohdoo wrote:
Holy shit @ the Paul Ryan with interns picture. Is there even a single tan person, let alone brown? What a mess.


does this matter?


Did you see the picture? Look at the picture. That is a stunningly non-diverse group of people. I am not accusing them of racism or anything, but the complete lack of effort to diversify is obvious. And as Kwark said, at the very least, a PR disaster.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 18 2016 16:51 GMT
#86027
So Baltimore is now 0-4 in prosecuting the Freddie Gray cops.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15687 Posts
July 18 2016 16:53 GMT
#86028
On July 19 2016 01:51 xDaunt wrote:
So Baltimore is now 0-4 in prosecuting the Freddie Gray cops.


This is what happens when you assume public outrage will enable over-aggressive verdicts. They should have played it safe, got someone's head on a somewhat platter and declared victory.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21668 Posts
July 18 2016 16:57 GMT
#86029
On July 19 2016 01:53 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 01:51 xDaunt wrote:
So Baltimore is now 0-4 in prosecuting the Freddie Gray cops.


This is what happens when you assume public outrage will enable over-aggressive verdicts. They should have played it safe, got someone's head on a somewhat platter and declared victory.

Or you can work to get a police force that is actually responsible for its actions so that you don't have people dying while being transported chained up in a police van with no one being responsible.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
July 18 2016 16:58 GMT
#86030
It was ruled a homicide, but somehow no one is responsible. Can't imagine why there's so little faith in the "justice" system.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
kapibara-san
Profile Joined July 2016
Japan415 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-18 17:01:35
July 18 2016 17:01 GMT
#86031
On July 19 2016 01:58 GreenHorizons wrote:
It was ruled a homicide, but somehow no one is responsible. Can't imagine why there's so little faith in the "justice" system.

to nitpick: legally, the word homicide does not imply a killer is criminally at fault, it just means someone killed someone

executions are homicides
tfw your posting style is obnoxious to everybody else but strangely compelling to you... like a fart...
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15687 Posts
July 18 2016 17:04 GMT
#86032
On July 19 2016 01:57 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 01:53 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 19 2016 01:51 xDaunt wrote:
So Baltimore is now 0-4 in prosecuting the Freddie Gray cops.


This is what happens when you assume public outrage will enable over-aggressive verdicts. They should have played it safe, got someone's head on a somewhat platter and declared victory.

Or you can work to get a police force that is actually responsible for its actions so that you don't have people dying while being transported chained up in a police van with no one being responsible.


If we don't have enough power to convict at least one person of homicide, how much ability do you think they have to create change/reform? The police are (sadly) invincible here. There needs to be direct legislation to tackle this. Systematically, police accountability is extremely lacking. They aren't going to change that willingly. Going to need to rip it from them.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 18 2016 17:05 GMT
#86033
On July 19 2016 00:01 Godwrath wrote:
I don't know about others people experiences in the army, but most women i met on the army were gay. But i guess that Pence was right all along because on of them was going out with her (female) superior. Oh man.

Oh, and women barracks were certainly an interesting place, but not for males.


I don't really know what you're trying to say about gay or military women here. I haven't found the 'most military women are lesbos' stereotype to be true in my experience.

Fraternization and unprofessional relationships (such as those between a superior and a subordinate) are strictly prohibited in any case.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
July 18 2016 17:06 GMT
#86034
On July 19 2016 02:01 kapibara-san wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 01:58 GreenHorizons wrote:
It was ruled a homicide, but somehow no one is responsible. Can't imagine why there's so little faith in the "justice" system.

to nitpick: legally, the word homicide does not imply a killer is criminally at fault, it just means someone killed someone

executions are homicides


Yeah, someone killed him while he was in police custody and it appears it's not criminal. Again, can't imagine why people don't trust that system.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21668 Posts
July 18 2016 17:07 GMT
#86035
On July 19 2016 02:04 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 01:57 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 19 2016 01:53 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 19 2016 01:51 xDaunt wrote:
So Baltimore is now 0-4 in prosecuting the Freddie Gray cops.


This is what happens when you assume public outrage will enable over-aggressive verdicts. They should have played it safe, got someone's head on a somewhat platter and declared victory.

Or you can work to get a police force that is actually responsible for its actions so that you don't have people dying while being transported chained up in a police van with no one being responsible.


If we don't have enough power to convict at least one person of homicide, how much ability do you think they have to create change/reform? The police are (sadly) invincible here. There needs to be direct legislation to tackle this. Systematically, police accountability is extremely lacking. They aren't going to change that willingly. Going to need to rip it from them.

I completely agree, it ties into the whole 'Police are not accountable' issue that is a systematic problem in the US.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-18 17:14:02
July 18 2016 17:11 GMT
#86036
On July 19 2016 02:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 00:01 Godwrath wrote:
I don't know about others people experiences in the army, but most women i met on the army were gay. But i guess that Pence was right all along because on of them was going out with her (female) superior. Oh man.

Oh, and women barracks were certainly an interesting place, but not for males.


I don't really know what you're trying to say about gay or military women here. I haven't found the 'most military women are lesbos' stereotype to be true in my experience.

Fraternization and unprofessional relationships (such as those between a superior and a subordinate) are strictly prohibited in any case.

I am saying that most women i met when i was in the military were self declared gay, not that i thought they were boyish and gay. And your experience may differ, that's why i said in my experience in the first place.

About the second point, and i don't know how it is on the US army,, since you can ask to move to a different unit so you are not in direct subordination, which is what she did and here it is fine (same for marriages), and i doubt the US army is less progressive in that regard.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21668 Posts
July 18 2016 17:16 GMT
#86037
On July 19 2016 02:11 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 02:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 19 2016 00:01 Godwrath wrote:
I don't know about others people experiences in the army, but most women i met on the army were gay. But i guess that Pence was right all along because on of them was going out with her (female) superior. Oh man.

Oh, and women barracks were certainly an interesting place, but not for males.


I don't really know what you're trying to say about gay or military women here. I haven't found the 'most military women are lesbos' stereotype to be true in my experience.

Fraternization and unprofessional relationships (such as those between a superior and a subordinate) are strictly prohibited in any case.

I am saying that most women i met when i was in the military were self declared gay, not that i thought they were boyish and gay. And your experience may differ, that's why i said in my experience in the first place.

About the second point, and i don't know how it is on the US army,, since you can ask to move to a different unit so you are not in direct subordination, which is what she did and here it is fine (same for marriages), and i doubt the US army is less progressive in that regard.

You doubt the US army is less progressive?

Less then 5 years ago if you were discovered to be gay in the US army you had to leave...
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 18 2016 17:21 GMT
#86038
Haven't followed the Gray case closely, interested in general info about it though, if anyone watched parts of the trials/has seen good analyses of it. Did the prosecution do a good job? or was it inept? Did it seem like the problem was getting past the reasonable doubt point?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 18 2016 17:22 GMT
#86039
Not only is this morally reprehensible on all levels, but I'm pretty sure this is highly illegal. I bet none of this mob is held responsible for this shit either.

Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
July 18 2016 17:23 GMT
#86040
On July 19 2016 02:16 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2016 02:11 Godwrath wrote:
On July 19 2016 02:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 19 2016 00:01 Godwrath wrote:
I don't know about others people experiences in the army, but most women i met on the army were gay. But i guess that Pence was right all along because on of them was going out with her (female) superior. Oh man.

Oh, and women barracks were certainly an interesting place, but not for males.


I don't really know what you're trying to say about gay or military women here. I haven't found the 'most military women are lesbos' stereotype to be true in my experience.

Fraternization and unprofessional relationships (such as those between a superior and a subordinate) are strictly prohibited in any case.

I am saying that most women i met when i was in the military were self declared gay, not that i thought they were boyish and gay. And your experience may differ, that's why i said in my experience in the first place.

About the second point, and i don't know how it is on the US army,, since you can ask to move to a different unit so you are not in direct subordination, which is what she did and here it is fine (same for marriages), and i doubt the US army is less progressive in that regard.

You doubt the US army is less progressive?

Less then 5 years ago if you were discovered to be gay in the US army you had to leave...

Oh well, america never ceases to amaze me i guess.
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