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On June 08 2016 08:26 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 08:10 xDaunt wrote:On June 08 2016 07:52 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 07:47 xDaunt wrote:On June 08 2016 07:41 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 07:34 xDaunt wrote:On June 08 2016 07:08 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 07:00 xDaunt wrote:On June 08 2016 06:45 Doodsmack wrote:On June 08 2016 06:42 xDaunt wrote:
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The standard is fine. It should be tough to disqualify judges. Making too easy would wreck the judiciary, which is already under serious strain.
That said, just because judges don't have biases or prejudices sufficient to warrant disqualification does not mean that they do not have biases and prejudices that materially affect the outcomes of cases. Any attorney who has ever litigated a case knows otherwise. Though I haven't looked at the merits of the Trump U case and why Judge Curiel released the records, I fully expect that he is predisposed to being adverse to Trump. To think otherwise is incredibly naive. Setting aside the group associations, do you think he's adverse on the basis of ethnicity? Are Mexicans biased against Trump due to his wall plan? I don't know if I'd say that he is biased on the basis of his ethnicity (or that he's biased at all), but the fact that he's of Mexican heritage taken by itself certainly indicates that Judge Curiel is more likely to be biased against Trump. I can say the same thing about his professional affiliations, his profession overall, and the fact that he was appointed by Clinton. Who do you think is more likely to be sympathetic to Trump? Judge Curiel or a white/WASP judge who is a Bush appointee and member of the NRA? As I infamously have remarked, profiling works. Profiling works in the absence of other information. If you showed me two guys and told me one was a member of the IRA I'd pick the white ginger with the Irish accent. Similarly if you showed me a WASP and a Mexican and told me one didn't like Trump I might suspect the Mexican. In this case we have no reason to assume either dislikes Trump so jumping to "one is more likely to than the other and therefore one does because profiling works" is insanity. Furthermore, given this guy is a judge we should assume that his decisions will be impartial and rooted in the law until we see otherwise. He isn't just a Mexican (well, he isn't even a Mexican but let's assume he is), he is a Mexican judge, profiling him based only on his race and ignoring his attributes that contradict that profile is also insanity. There is so much room for actual knowledge in this case that resorting to profiling is absurd. You can't just say "profiling works" and leave it at that. It doesn't work that way. As Trump is always telling us, the Hispanic population of America adore him. The bolded above means nothing. Every argument that an attorney makes to a judge is "rooted in the law," and every opinion issued by a judge is similarly rooted in the law. It is entirely possible to have two completely inconsistent rulings on a given issue, where each ruling is "rooted in the law." Judges have a ton of legal gray area and inherent discretion to work with when making their rulings. Bias and predisposition play very large roles in how their conclusions are formed. Then show the bias. Right now it's no better than saying xDaunt is a rapist because he's a man and profiling works. Well, if you gave me a xDaunt and an infant and told me one of them was definitely a rapist, I'd pick xDaunt but that's not how shit works. You made a huge leap from "more likely to be biased", as indeed you are more likely to be a rapist, to "is biased". It just doesn't work that way. What the fuck are you talking about? I haven't said that Judge Curiel is biased against Trump. I have only said that there are numerous indicators that suggest that he could be. And even presuming that he biased against Trump, then the issue becomes whether the bias has played a role in his decisions, which I have offered no comment on (and won't, because I don't have the time to look at the record). You wrote this On June 08 2016 07:47 xDaunt wrote:
the fact that he's of Mexican heritage taken by itself certainly indicates that Judge Curiel is more likely to be biased against Trump. I can say the same thing about his professional affiliations, his profession overall, and the fact that he was appointed by Clinton. Who do you think is more likely to be sympathetic to Trump? Judge Curiel or a white/WASP judge who is a Bush appointee and member of the NRA? As I infamously have remarked, profiling works. and I pointed out the total idiocy of saying "more likely to be biased" as if it means anything and the absurdity of the argument that "profiling works" in the absence of any other information. You tried to spin substance out of air to flesh out what Trump said and I pierced it. That's what the fuck I am talking about. "More likely to be biased" isn't biased and given that Trump is making accusations of actual bias your suggestions that he might be more likely to be biased are no more relevant, or likely, than my equally fleshed out claim that you're more likely to be a rapist.Are you a rapist? Or would you suggest that the whole "more likely to be a rapist" line of reasoning is completely retarded? Because I think it is, but it's the line of reasoning you're using to attempt to defend Trump's indefensible statements. So what? You're going to resort to baseless strawmanning to salvage your dignity? I don't give a shit about what Trump said. I have not endorsed what he has said about Judge Curiel, and I'm not about to. All that I have done is point out what is obvious to every legal professional who has ever been in a courtroom: judges carry their biases and predispositions to court. I don't know Judge Curiel. I don't know whether he is, in fact, biased against Trump. But I can look at his background and suss out several facts suggesting that he could be, all of which should be blindingly obvious to everyone. But apparently you're more interested in making retarded, nonsensical analogies just to have the opportunity to put my name and rapist in the same sentence. Nice work. You're a true poet. I'm glad you can see the issues with your argument when someone else uses it. Of course I was using your argument back at you to illustrate the absurdity of it so I will now claim victory. You're not (to my knowledge) a rapist, I simply profiled you as one based upon one fact taken completely out of context.
Good lord. Victory over what? You can't even keep track of your own anologies, much less my arguments. Your anologies made zero sense. In your first, you took it as a given that either the infant or I was a rapist. That given was never assumed with regards to the judge. Your other feeble attempt at an analogy was to say that I'm likely to be a rapist because I'm a man. My response to that is LOL. Keep trying, junior. I'm sure you'll get one right eventually that shows me that profiling doesn't work. In the meantime, stop pretending that you have a clue as to what I'm saying about Judge Curiel.
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On June 08 2016 08:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 08:30 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 08:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 08:05 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 08:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 07:58 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 07:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 08 2016 07:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 07:49 Plansix wrote:
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Paul Ryan said the remarks were classic racism. It seems like everyone but Trump is on the same page on this one. Is that supposed to legitimize your incorrect belief? 'everyone's on the same page on this one' so you know I'm right when I call him RACIST! Trump is racist. It's been fact for a long time. He has been accused of it over and over for decades. Every white male is a racist to the left That's not how it works, only the ones who say and do racist things are. He got called a racist for saying we should halt immigration from muslims. They just want to make everything about race when it has nothing to do with race it has to do with facts and national security. I honestly think race-baiting is a bigger problem in the west at this point than actual racism. You do understand that your argument was that "the left call all white males racist, that means that if a white male is called a racist by the left then no matter what he has said or done, he must not be racist", right? An argument that incidentally also exonerates Hitler. Now I'm not saying that Trump is Hitler, just that maybe instead of going "the left calls all white males racist" and dismissing it based on that, you should actually look at what Trump has said and done and base the decision upon that. Because otherwise we have to dismiss a lot of charges of racism and some of them will cover racists, like Hitler, and Trump. I have never made that conclusion. I'm sure some whites are dirty racists in our country but widespread or dangerous? I think not. Western white countries are literally the least racist countries in the world and that's not a racist thing to say that's a fact. How many refugees has the West taken in just from this Syrian conflict compared to actual Middle-Eastern countries like Saudi-Arabia or Bahrain or UAE? The west is so anti-racist places like the UK and Germany are literally passing authoritarian laws to censor any sort of criticism of immigration because they're too afraid of 'looking racist'. Nowhere else in the world would you get the amount of humanitarian aid and tolerance shown by Western countries. The whole 'radical conservative backwards racist conservative' hoax is literally white guilt indoctrination. You're right, the liberal West is far more liberal than the rest of the world. But that's irrelevant to what you said. You responded to accusations of Trump being a racist by saying that the left thinks all white males are racists. That's enough to respond to an accusation rooted purely in his gender and ethnicity but people aren't calling him a racist because of that, they're calling him a racist because of all the racist things he says and does. Also I think looking at Saudi Arabia and saying "why should we do more than them?" is pretty silly. It comes down to "let's find the worst people we can so we can feel okay when we're as bad as they are". Just because someone isn't the worst doesn't mean they can't do better. I do not literally believe every leftist believes that every white male is a racist. I am sorry I gave that impression. I was bitterly mocking his conclusion that 'trump's a racist everyone has always known he was a racist' as if it's matter-of-fact. I simply disagree with the notion that Trump should be called a racist or sexist for the things he has said this election cycle. It's just racist scandal after racist scandal from the media and when you look at the actual things he says versus how the media portrays him as 'literally' hitler, it's no wonder he won the republican primary. People are fed up with this authoritarian political correct bullshit trying to police people. Yes I agree bigotry and actual racism and actual sexism and actual homophobia are all very terrible things so I am somewhat understanding of the passion with which the 'progressive left' wants to stamp them out. But the war is over we won it's pretty much dead in the West. Where oppression like this isn't dead is in places ruled by Islamic Law where you ACTUALLY get murdered for dissenting beliefs/behaviors. Trump takes some controversial positions on mexican illegal immigration. Is it nice to deport all the illegal immigrants back to their home country away from our richer welfare state? No. But is it racist? No. Is it racist to point out? No. The MSM would have you believe it is though.
Uhh no its not "pretty much dead". You cant compare something to totalitarian regimes and say.. well we are better than them. Problem solved. Later dudes.
If you have a leak on your roof you fix it. You dont let it sit there saying.. "well the other guy doesnt even have a roof so I am all good !"
I dont think its racist to suggest that illegal immigrants should be deported.
It is racist to say that a person by virtue of his ethnicity (and no other evidence) is not doing his sworn duty correctly.
It is racist to question that the President of the United States by virtue of his heritage and no other evidence is not an American citizen.
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On June 08 2016 08:37 SK.Testie wrote:Wouldn't xDaunt have to be a member of a group called, "The Dominant Sex!" that just so happens to share the exact same name with a group of known pro-rapist agenda users also named, "The Dominant Sex!" Not to mention the other suspect things about the case? Wouldn't xDaunt have to "mistakenly" leak some files. Contribute to X political party and be an appointee of that same political party? Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 08:30 KwarK wrote:
Also I think looking at Saudi Arabia and saying "why should we do more than them?" is pretty silly. It comes down to "let's find the worst people we can so we can feel okay when we're as bad as they are". Just because someone isn't the worst doesn't mean they can't do better. Woah, you wouldn't say that other peoples from other countries are generally WORSE than us do you? "The worst people we can". Who are you talking about? The Muslims from Saudi Arabia? Yemen? Palestine? Egypt? Are we better than all of them?!? What of the peoples of Africa that are coming by boat? Are... are they also some of the WORST people? I don't know how many refugees they accepted myself.
Yeah, a lot of them are pretty shitty. I absolutely and unapologetically believe that the west is still a beacon of civilisation in the world. I don't think they're worse because they're black or Muslim but because some of them have some shitty beliefs and cultural practices which we've made it clear will not be tolerated in the west. By all means believe what you will but if you wanna press your daughter into a forced marriage then the law is going to have some words with you about that etc...
The cultural relativists will probably object but I don't think tolerance tolerates intolerance.
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On June 08 2016 08:39 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 08:26 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 08:10 xDaunt wrote:On June 08 2016 07:52 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 07:47 xDaunt wrote:On June 08 2016 07:41 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 07:34 xDaunt wrote:On June 08 2016 07:08 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 07:00 xDaunt wrote:On June 08 2016 06:45 Doodsmack wrote:
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Setting aside the group associations, do you think he's adverse on the basis of ethnicity? Are Mexicans biased against Trump due to his wall plan? I don't know if I'd say that he is biased on the basis of his ethnicity (or that he's biased at all), but the fact that he's of Mexican heritage taken by itself certainly indicates that Judge Curiel is more likely to be biased against Trump. I can say the same thing about his professional affiliations, his profession overall, and the fact that he was appointed by Clinton. Who do you think is more likely to be sympathetic to Trump? Judge Curiel or a white/WASP judge who is a Bush appointee and member of the NRA? As I infamously have remarked, profiling works. Profiling works in the absence of other information. If you showed me two guys and told me one was a member of the IRA I'd pick the white ginger with the Irish accent. Similarly if you showed me a WASP and a Mexican and told me one didn't like Trump I might suspect the Mexican. In this case we have no reason to assume either dislikes Trump so jumping to "one is more likely to than the other and therefore one does because profiling works" is insanity. Furthermore, given this guy is a judge we should assume that his decisions will be impartial and rooted in the law until we see otherwise. He isn't just a Mexican (well, he isn't even a Mexican but let's assume he is), he is a Mexican judge, profiling him based only on his race and ignoring his attributes that contradict that profile is also insanity. There is so much room for actual knowledge in this case that resorting to profiling is absurd. You can't just say "profiling works" and leave it at that. It doesn't work that way. As Trump is always telling us, the Hispanic population of America adore him. The bolded above means nothing. Every argument that an attorney makes to a judge is "rooted in the law," and every opinion issued by a judge is similarly rooted in the law. It is entirely possible to have two completely inconsistent rulings on a given issue, where each ruling is "rooted in the law." Judges have a ton of legal gray area and inherent discretion to work with when making their rulings. Bias and predisposition play very large roles in how their conclusions are formed. Then show the bias. Right now it's no better than saying xDaunt is a rapist because he's a man and profiling works. Well, if you gave me a xDaunt and an infant and told me one of them was definitely a rapist, I'd pick xDaunt but that's not how shit works. You made a huge leap from "more likely to be biased", as indeed you are more likely to be a rapist, to "is biased". It just doesn't work that way. What the fuck are you talking about? I haven't said that Judge Curiel is biased against Trump. I have only said that there are numerous indicators that suggest that he could be. And even presuming that he biased against Trump, then the issue becomes whether the bias has played a role in his decisions, which I have offered no comment on (and won't, because I don't have the time to look at the record). You wrote this On June 08 2016 07:47 xDaunt wrote:
the fact that he's of Mexican heritage taken by itself certainly indicates that Judge Curiel is more likely to be biased against Trump. I can say the same thing about his professional affiliations, his profession overall, and the fact that he was appointed by Clinton. Who do you think is more likely to be sympathetic to Trump? Judge Curiel or a white/WASP judge who is a Bush appointee and member of the NRA? As I infamously have remarked, profiling works. and I pointed out the total idiocy of saying "more likely to be biased" as if it means anything and the absurdity of the argument that "profiling works" in the absence of any other information. You tried to spin substance out of air to flesh out what Trump said and I pierced it. That's what the fuck I am talking about. "More likely to be biased" isn't biased and given that Trump is making accusations of actual bias your suggestions that he might be more likely to be biased are no more relevant, or likely, than my equally fleshed out claim that you're more likely to be a rapist.Are you a rapist? Or would you suggest that the whole "more likely to be a rapist" line of reasoning is completely retarded? Because I think it is, but it's the line of reasoning you're using to attempt to defend Trump's indefensible statements. So what? You're going to resort to baseless strawmanning to salvage your dignity? I don't give a shit about what Trump said. I have not endorsed what he has said about Judge Curiel, and I'm not about to. All that I have done is point out what is obvious to every legal professional who has ever been in a courtroom: judges carry their biases and predispositions to court. I don't know Judge Curiel. I don't know whether he is, in fact, biased against Trump. But I can look at his background and suss out several facts suggesting that he could be, all of which should be blindingly obvious to everyone. But apparently you're more interested in making retarded, nonsensical analogies just to have the opportunity to put my name and rapist in the same sentence. Nice work. You're a true poet. I'm glad you can see the issues with your argument when someone else uses it. Of course I was using your argument back at you to illustrate the absurdity of it so I will now claim victory. You're not (to my knowledge) a rapist, I simply profiled you as one based upon one fact taken completely out of context. Good lord. Victory over what? You can't even keep track of your own anologies, much less my arguments. Your anologies made zero sense. In your first, you took it as a given that either the infant or I was a rapist. That given was never assumed with regards to the judge. Your other feeble attempt at an analogy was to say that I'm likely to be a rapist because I'm a man. My response to that is LOL. Keep trying, junior. I'm sure you'll get one right eventually that shows me that profiling doesn't work. In the meantime, stop pretending that you have a clue as to what I'm saying about Judge Curiel.
You seem to have lost track of your own argument. If you want to take this to PMs I'd be happy to explain it to you. Slowly if need be.
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So you're against the Migrant crisis? Or perhaps at least a far more sensible solution to it. Not this mass migration that is coming from WAY more countries than just Syria. Do you think Republicans have a point in saying, "accept Christians and families please! Muslims, no thank you?" Of all the Muslims I talk to they tell me the only hopeful country in the region is Iran. And judging from my own readings it seems to be the only one.
So why would the left keep forcing mass immigration against our will?
What of Mexico? It's full of beautiful and awesome people I agree and I loved my visit there. But I was also robbed within one day of being there which hadn't happened to me once in all my days of being in the west. So maybe.. republicans can say.. BUILD THE WALL?
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On June 08 2016 08:40 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 08:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 08:30 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 08:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 08:05 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 08:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 07:58 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 07:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 08 2016 07:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
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Is that supposed to legitimize your incorrect belief?
'everyone's on the same page on this one' so you know I'm right when I call him RACIST! Trump is racist. It's been fact for a long time. He has been accused of it over and over for decades. Every white male is a racist to the left That's not how it works, only the ones who say and do racist things are. He got called a racist for saying we should halt immigration from muslims. They just want to make everything about race when it has nothing to do with race it has to do with facts and national security. I honestly think race-baiting is a bigger problem in the west at this point than actual racism. You do understand that your argument was that "the left call all white males racist, that means that if a white male is called a racist by the left then no matter what he has said or done, he must not be racist", right? An argument that incidentally also exonerates Hitler. Now I'm not saying that Trump is Hitler, just that maybe instead of going "the left calls all white males racist" and dismissing it based on that, you should actually look at what Trump has said and done and base the decision upon that. Because otherwise we have to dismiss a lot of charges of racism and some of them will cover racists, like Hitler, and Trump. I have never made that conclusion. I'm sure some whites are dirty racists in our country but widespread or dangerous? I think not. Western white countries are literally the least racist countries in the world and that's not a racist thing to say that's a fact. How many refugees has the West taken in just from this Syrian conflict compared to actual Middle-Eastern countries like Saudi-Arabia or Bahrain or UAE? The west is so anti-racist places like the UK and Germany are literally passing authoritarian laws to censor any sort of criticism of immigration because they're too afraid of 'looking racist'. Nowhere else in the world would you get the amount of humanitarian aid and tolerance shown by Western countries. The whole 'radical conservative backwards racist conservative' hoax is literally white guilt indoctrination. You're right, the liberal West is far more liberal than the rest of the world. But that's irrelevant to what you said. You responded to accusations of Trump being a racist by saying that the left thinks all white males are racists. That's enough to respond to an accusation rooted purely in his gender and ethnicity but people aren't calling him a racist because of that, they're calling him a racist because of all the racist things he says and does. Also I think looking at Saudi Arabia and saying "why should we do more than them?" is pretty silly. It comes down to "let's find the worst people we can so we can feel okay when we're as bad as they are". Just because someone isn't the worst doesn't mean they can't do better. I do not literally believe every leftist believes that every white male is a racist. I am sorry I gave that impression. I was bitterly mocking his conclusion that 'trump's a racist everyone has always known he was a racist' as if it's matter-of-fact. I simply disagree with the notion that Trump should be called a racist or sexist for the things he has said this election cycle. It's just racist scandal after racist scandal from the media and when you look at the actual things he says versus how the media portrays him as 'literally' hitler, it's no wonder he won the republican primary. People are fed up with this authoritarian political correct bullshit trying to police people. Yes I agree bigotry and actual racism and actual sexism and actual homophobia are all very terrible things so I am somewhat understanding of the passion with which the 'progressive left' wants to stamp them out. But the war is over we won it's pretty much dead in the West. Where oppression like this isn't dead is in places ruled by Islamic Law where you ACTUALLY get murdered for dissenting beliefs/behaviors. Trump takes some controversial positions on mexican illegal immigration. Is it nice to deport all the illegal immigrants back to their home country away from our richer welfare state? No. But is it racist? No. Is it racist to point out? No. The MSM would have you believe it is though. Uhh no its not "pretty much dead". You cant compare something to totalitarian regimes and say.. well you guys are better than them. Problem solved. If you have a leak on your roof you fix it. You dont let it sit there saying.. "well the other guy doesnt even have a roof so I am all good !"
It's dead. What is left is the minimum amount you will always have in a modern society. My argument was not that they break more rules than us so we're fine'.
I think there is more racism and intolerance in fringe cultures within america than in the mainstream, so much so that you literally have college professors in america teaching that 'you can't be racist against white people' and kids are fucking eating it up like candy.
The west has virtually no inequality problem. Equality is about not impending others equal chance for success, not forcing equal results regardless of performance.
There is some degree of systematic discrimination that still exists yes. Scholars would give you a very nuanced explanation of the nature of this. It does not translate well to your average layman citizen who only hears 'racism is still widespread in america we have to do everything we can to fight it'.
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On June 08 2016 08:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 08:30 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 08:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 08:05 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 08:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 07:58 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 07:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 08 2016 07:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 07:49 Plansix wrote:
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Paul Ryan said the remarks were classic racism. It seems like everyone but Trump is on the same page on this one. Is that supposed to legitimize your incorrect belief? 'everyone's on the same page on this one' so you know I'm right when I call him RACIST! Trump is racist. It's been fact for a long time. He has been accused of it over and over for decades. Every white male is a racist to the left That's not how it works, only the ones who say and do racist things are. He got called a racist for saying we should halt immigration from muslims. They just want to make everything about race when it has nothing to do with race it has to do with facts and national security. I honestly think race-baiting is a bigger problem in the west at this point than actual racism. You do understand that your argument was that "the left call all white males racist, that means that if a white male is called a racist by the left then no matter what he has said or done, he must not be racist", right? An argument that incidentally also exonerates Hitler. Now I'm not saying that Trump is Hitler, just that maybe instead of going "the left calls all white males racist" and dismissing it based on that, you should actually look at what Trump has said and done and base the decision upon that. Because otherwise we have to dismiss a lot of charges of racism and some of them will cover racists, like Hitler, and Trump. I have never made that conclusion. I'm sure some whites are dirty racists in our country but widespread or dangerous? I think not. Western white countries are literally the least racist countries in the world and that's not a racist thing to say that's a fact. How many refugees has the West taken in just from this Syrian conflict compared to actual Middle-Eastern countries like Saudi-Arabia or Bahrain or UAE? The west is so anti-racist places like the UK and Germany are literally passing authoritarian laws to censor any sort of criticism of immigration because they're too afraid of 'looking racist'. Nowhere else in the world would you get the amount of humanitarian aid and tolerance shown by Western countries. The whole 'radical conservative backwards racist conservative' hoax is literally white guilt indoctrination. You're right, the liberal West is far more liberal than the rest of the world. But that's irrelevant to what you said. You responded to accusations of Trump being a racist by saying that the left thinks all white males are racists. That's enough to respond to an accusation rooted purely in his gender and ethnicity but people aren't calling him a racist because of that, they're calling him a racist because of all the racist things he says and does. Also I think looking at Saudi Arabia and saying "why should we do more than them?" is pretty silly. It comes down to "let's find the worst people we can so we can feel okay when we're as bad as they are". Just because someone isn't the worst doesn't mean they can't do better. I do not literally believe every leftist believes that every white male is a racist. I am sorry I gave that impression. I was bitterly mocking his conclusion that 'trump's a racist everyone has always known he was a racist' as if it's matter-of-fact. I simply disagree with the notion that Trump should be called a racist or sexist for the things he has said this election cycle.
Out of curiosity, what are some statements that you do actually consider to be racist or bigoted? Because between his comments and actions surrounding Muslims, Mexicans, women, the disabled, and other groups of people, I'm kind of at a loss as to what's left besides him explicitly saying "I hate all people categorized as Group/ Race/ Sex/ Religion X because I'm a bigot".
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Trump has been great for women. If you believe he hasn't I'm amazed. Saying disparaging things about a person who happens to be a woman is not being against all women. His hiring practices reflect that he has never been against all women. Putting women in top of the line jobs and having a slew of women come out for him to protect him against some critics and the media actually needing to falsify comments on women, let's leave the sexism in the dust where it belongs shall we?
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On June 08 2016 08:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 08:40 Rebs wrote:On June 08 2016 08:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 08:30 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 08:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 08:05 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 08:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 07:58 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 07:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 07:56 Plansix wrote:
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Trump is racist. It's been fact for a long time. He has been accused of it over and over for decades. Every white male is a racist to the left That's not how it works, only the ones who say and do racist things are. He got called a racist for saying we should halt immigration from muslims. They just want to make everything about race when it has nothing to do with race it has to do with facts and national security. I honestly think race-baiting is a bigger problem in the west at this point than actual racism. You do understand that your argument was that "the left call all white males racist, that means that if a white male is called a racist by the left then no matter what he has said or done, he must not be racist", right? An argument that incidentally also exonerates Hitler. Now I'm not saying that Trump is Hitler, just that maybe instead of going "the left calls all white males racist" and dismissing it based on that, you should actually look at what Trump has said and done and base the decision upon that. Because otherwise we have to dismiss a lot of charges of racism and some of them will cover racists, like Hitler, and Trump. I have never made that conclusion. I'm sure some whites are dirty racists in our country but widespread or dangerous? I think not. Western white countries are literally the least racist countries in the world and that's not a racist thing to say that's a fact. How many refugees has the West taken in just from this Syrian conflict compared to actual Middle-Eastern countries like Saudi-Arabia or Bahrain or UAE? The west is so anti-racist places like the UK and Germany are literally passing authoritarian laws to censor any sort of criticism of immigration because they're too afraid of 'looking racist'. Nowhere else in the world would you get the amount of humanitarian aid and tolerance shown by Western countries. The whole 'radical conservative backwards racist conservative' hoax is literally white guilt indoctrination. You're right, the liberal West is far more liberal than the rest of the world. But that's irrelevant to what you said. You responded to accusations of Trump being a racist by saying that the left thinks all white males are racists. That's enough to respond to an accusation rooted purely in his gender and ethnicity but people aren't calling him a racist because of that, they're calling him a racist because of all the racist things he says and does. Also I think looking at Saudi Arabia and saying "why should we do more than them?" is pretty silly. It comes down to "let's find the worst people we can so we can feel okay when we're as bad as they are". Just because someone isn't the worst doesn't mean they can't do better. I do not literally believe every leftist believes that every white male is a racist. I am sorry I gave that impression. I was bitterly mocking his conclusion that 'trump's a racist everyone has always known he was a racist' as if it's matter-of-fact. I simply disagree with the notion that Trump should be called a racist or sexist for the things he has said this election cycle. It's just racist scandal after racist scandal from the media and when you look at the actual things he says versus how the media portrays him as 'literally' hitler, it's no wonder he won the republican primary. People are fed up with this authoritarian political correct bullshit trying to police people. Yes I agree bigotry and actual racism and actual sexism and actual homophobia are all very terrible things so I am somewhat understanding of the passion with which the 'progressive left' wants to stamp them out. But the war is over we won it's pretty much dead in the West. Where oppression like this isn't dead is in places ruled by Islamic Law where you ACTUALLY get murdered for dissenting beliefs/behaviors. Trump takes some controversial positions on mexican illegal immigration. Is it nice to deport all the illegal immigrants back to their home country away from our richer welfare state? No. But is it racist? No. Is it racist to point out? No. The MSM would have you believe it is though. Uhh no its not "pretty much dead". You cant compare something to totalitarian regimes and say.. well you guys are better than them. Problem solved. If you have a leak on your roof you fix it. You dont let it sit there saying.. "well the other guy doesnt even have a roof so I am all good !" It's dead. What is left is the minimum amount you will always have in a modern society. My argument was not that they break more rules than us so we're fine'. I think there is more racism and intolerance in fringe cultures within america than in the mainstream, so much so that you literally have college professors in america teaching that 'you can't be racist against white people' and kids are fucking eating it up like candy. The west has virtually no inequality problem. Equality is about not impending others equal chance for success, not forcing equal results regardless of performance. There is some degree of systematic discrimination that still exists yes. Scholars would give you a very nuanced explanation of the nature of this. It does not translate well to your average layman citizen who only hears 'racism is still widespread in america we have to do everything we can to fight it'.
Lets forget everything else down there and start from the top and ill break it down for you after you adress this first bitt
Racism is dead
there is only a minimum amount left.
These are two mutually exclusive cases. It cant be both. Which is it.
On June 08 2016 08:48 SK.Testie wrote:
Trump has been great for women. If you believe he hasn't I'm amazed. Saying disparaging things about a person who happens to be a woman is not being against all women. His hiring practices reflect that he has never been against all women. Putting women in top of the line jobs and having a slew of women come out for him to protect him against some critics and the media actually needing to falsify comments on women, let's leave the sexism in the dust where it belongs shall we?
Except when he comes home and dinners not ready, he goes through the roof.
Edit: O no wait I remember. I In Testies world this is how it works..
I bring the food. Now bitch go make me a sandwich
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On June 08 2016 07:31 Kickboxer wrote:
Looking at this election it is clear both ideological factions have gone certified coo-coo.
The modern American "right" looks just about ready to board an Ark Airplane, fill it with super WASPs then nuke the mainland from orbit and pretend it was God who did it.
The modern American "left" is trying to convince people they can understand how it feels to have spent all your life carrying a penis and/or vagina around while also mandating everyone be of equal height, length, size, shape and color.
You guys not only need a 3rd party, you (we all) need a brand new way of thinking suited for the new Millenium. Right now it's like Muslim vs. Christians back in the 12th century. Es no bueno.
you just need to look at the reasonable middle, of which there are a goodly number. they're just quieter cuz they're not crazy.
some of it is also the fault of parties pushing partisanship to get votes; which forces them to start acting crazy for votes even if they know it's unsound.
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On June 08 2016 08:40 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 08:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 08:30 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 08:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 08:05 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 08:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 07:58 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 07:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 08 2016 07:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
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Is that supposed to legitimize your incorrect belief?
'everyone's on the same page on this one' so you know I'm right when I call him RACIST! Trump is racist. It's been fact for a long time. He has been accused of it over and over for decades. Every white male is a racist to the left That's not how it works, only the ones who say and do racist things are. He got called a racist for saying we should halt immigration from muslims. They just want to make everything about race when it has nothing to do with race it has to do with facts and national security. I honestly think race-baiting is a bigger problem in the west at this point than actual racism. You do understand that your argument was that "the left call all white males racist, that means that if a white male is called a racist by the left then no matter what he has said or done, he must not be racist", right? An argument that incidentally also exonerates Hitler. Now I'm not saying that Trump is Hitler, just that maybe instead of going "the left calls all white males racist" and dismissing it based on that, you should actually look at what Trump has said and done and base the decision upon that. Because otherwise we have to dismiss a lot of charges of racism and some of them will cover racists, like Hitler, and Trump. I have never made that conclusion. I'm sure some whites are dirty racists in our country but widespread or dangerous? I think not. Western white countries are literally the least racist countries in the world and that's not a racist thing to say that's a fact. How many refugees has the West taken in just from this Syrian conflict compared to actual Middle-Eastern countries like Saudi-Arabia or Bahrain or UAE? The west is so anti-racist places like the UK and Germany are literally passing authoritarian laws to censor any sort of criticism of immigration because they're too afraid of 'looking racist'. Nowhere else in the world would you get the amount of humanitarian aid and tolerance shown by Western countries. The whole 'radical conservative backwards racist conservative' hoax is literally white guilt indoctrination. You're right, the liberal West is far more liberal than the rest of the world. But that's irrelevant to what you said. You responded to accusations of Trump being a racist by saying that the left thinks all white males are racists. That's enough to respond to an accusation rooted purely in his gender and ethnicity but people aren't calling him a racist because of that, they're calling him a racist because of all the racist things he says and does. Also I think looking at Saudi Arabia and saying "why should we do more than them?" is pretty silly. It comes down to "let's find the worst people we can so we can feel okay when we're as bad as they are". Just because someone isn't the worst doesn't mean they can't do better. I do not literally believe every leftist believes that every white male is a racist. I am sorry I gave that impression. I was bitterly mocking his conclusion that 'trump's a racist everyone has always known he was a racist' as if it's matter-of-fact. I simply disagree with the notion that Trump should be called a racist or sexist for the things he has said this election cycle. It's just racist scandal after racist scandal from the media and when you look at the actual things he says versus how the media portrays him as 'literally' hitler, it's no wonder he won the republican primary. People are fed up with this authoritarian political correct bullshit trying to police people. Yes I agree bigotry and actual racism and actual sexism and actual homophobia are all very terrible things so I am somewhat understanding of the passion with which the 'progressive left' wants to stamp them out. But the war is over we won it's pretty much dead in the West. Where oppression like this isn't dead is in places ruled by Islamic Law where you ACTUALLY get murdered for dissenting beliefs/behaviors. Trump takes some controversial positions on mexican illegal immigration. Is it nice to deport all the illegal immigrants back to their home country away from our richer welfare state? No. But is it racist? No. Is it racist to point out? No. The MSM would have you believe it is though. It is racist to say that a person by virtue of his ethnicity (and no other evidence) is not doing his sworn duty correctly. It is racist to question that the President of the United States by virtue of his heritage and no other evidence is not an American citizen.
Yes it is racist to suggest that. I do not believe that is what Trump did .
He has clearly stated motivations for believing that the trial was being conducted unfairly and offered the judge's 'perspective' or 'race' as a possible motivator for why it might be unfair. The organization the judge is a part of clearly indicates he has some stake in Trump's success or not and that his judgment of this trial will directly affect that success.
Is that still controversial? Yes. Is it as simple as him judging the judge as being incapable due to his race? No. What narrative is the media selling? You guess
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On June 08 2016 08:48 SK.Testie wrote:
Trump has been great for women. If you believe he hasn't I'm amazed. Saying disparaging things about a person who happens to be a woman is not being against all women. His hiring practices reflect that he has never been against all women. Putting women in top of the line jobs and having a slew of women come out for him to protect him against some critics and the media actually needing to falsify comments on women, let's leave the sexism in the dust where it belongs shall we?
"Kelly was mean to me because she was on her period" is not sexist?
Hm, should remember that one.
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Trump is a sexist asshole. And like most powerful people, he can find any number of useful idiots to defend him.
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On June 08 2016 08:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 08:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 08:30 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 08:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 08:05 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 08:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 07:58 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 07:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 07:56 Plansix wrote:On June 08 2016 07:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
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Is that supposed to legitimize your incorrect belief?
'everyone's on the same page on this one' so you know I'm right when I call him RACIST! Trump is racist. It's been fact for a long time. He has been accused of it over and over for decades. Every white male is a racist to the left That's not how it works, only the ones who say and do racist things are. He got called a racist for saying we should halt immigration from muslims. They just want to make everything about race when it has nothing to do with race it has to do with facts and national security. I honestly think race-baiting is a bigger problem in the west at this point than actual racism. You do understand that your argument was that "the left call all white males racist, that means that if a white male is called a racist by the left then no matter what he has said or done, he must not be racist", right? An argument that incidentally also exonerates Hitler. Now I'm not saying that Trump is Hitler, just that maybe instead of going "the left calls all white males racist" and dismissing it based on that, you should actually look at what Trump has said and done and base the decision upon that. Because otherwise we have to dismiss a lot of charges of racism and some of them will cover racists, like Hitler, and Trump. I have never made that conclusion. I'm sure some whites are dirty racists in our country but widespread or dangerous? I think not. Western white countries are literally the least racist countries in the world and that's not a racist thing to say that's a fact. How many refugees has the West taken in just from this Syrian conflict compared to actual Middle-Eastern countries like Saudi-Arabia or Bahrain or UAE? The west is so anti-racist places like the UK and Germany are literally passing authoritarian laws to censor any sort of criticism of immigration because they're too afraid of 'looking racist'. Nowhere else in the world would you get the amount of humanitarian aid and tolerance shown by Western countries. The whole 'radical conservative backwards racist conservative' hoax is literally white guilt indoctrination. You're right, the liberal West is far more liberal than the rest of the world. But that's irrelevant to what you said. You responded to accusations of Trump being a racist by saying that the left thinks all white males are racists. That's enough to respond to an accusation rooted purely in his gender and ethnicity but people aren't calling him a racist because of that, they're calling him a racist because of all the racist things he says and does. Also I think looking at Saudi Arabia and saying "why should we do more than them?" is pretty silly. It comes down to "let's find the worst people we can so we can feel okay when we're as bad as they are". Just because someone isn't the worst doesn't mean they can't do better. I do not literally believe every leftist believes that every white male is a racist. I am sorry I gave that impression. I was bitterly mocking his conclusion that 'trump's a racist everyone has always known he was a racist' as if it's matter-of-fact. I simply disagree with the notion that Trump should be called a racist or sexist for the things he has said this election cycle. Out of curiosity, what are some statements that you do actually consider to be racist or bigoted? Because between his comments and actions surrounding Muslims, Mexicans, women, the disabled, and other groups of people, I'm kind of at a loss as to what's left besides him explicitly saying "I hate all people categorized as Group/ Race/ Sex/ Religion X because I'm a bigot".
Sure I'll help you out.
Him saying all mexican people are rapists and criminals would be racist. He did not say this. The media sure as hell sold it like that though.
Him saying all muslims are violent extremists and should be kept out of the country. He did not say this. Once again, the media sold it like he did though.
Him making jokes about a disabled person's disabilities because he thinks it's funny to make fun of disabled people. He did not do this. The media sold it like he did though.
Him making fat jokes or whatever he did about Rosie O'Donnel when she started talking shit to him first is fair game. If someone insults your appearance (your hair being fake for instance) you have been given the greenlight to fight back. To do so is not sexist.
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On June 08 2016 08:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 08:40 Rebs wrote:On June 08 2016 08:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 08:30 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 08:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 08:05 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 08:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 07:58 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 07:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 07:56 Plansix wrote:
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Trump is racist. It's been fact for a long time. He has been accused of it over and over for decades. Every white male is a racist to the left That's not how it works, only the ones who say and do racist things are. He got called a racist for saying we should halt immigration from muslims. They just want to make everything about race when it has nothing to do with race it has to do with facts and national security. I honestly think race-baiting is a bigger problem in the west at this point than actual racism. You do understand that your argument was that "the left call all white males racist, that means that if a white male is called a racist by the left then no matter what he has said or done, he must not be racist", right? An argument that incidentally also exonerates Hitler. Now I'm not saying that Trump is Hitler, just that maybe instead of going "the left calls all white males racist" and dismissing it based on that, you should actually look at what Trump has said and done and base the decision upon that. Because otherwise we have to dismiss a lot of charges of racism and some of them will cover racists, like Hitler, and Trump. I have never made that conclusion. I'm sure some whites are dirty racists in our country but widespread or dangerous? I think not. Western white countries are literally the least racist countries in the world and that's not a racist thing to say that's a fact. How many refugees has the West taken in just from this Syrian conflict compared to actual Middle-Eastern countries like Saudi-Arabia or Bahrain or UAE? The west is so anti-racist places like the UK and Germany are literally passing authoritarian laws to censor any sort of criticism of immigration because they're too afraid of 'looking racist'. Nowhere else in the world would you get the amount of humanitarian aid and tolerance shown by Western countries. The whole 'radical conservative backwards racist conservative' hoax is literally white guilt indoctrination. You're right, the liberal West is far more liberal than the rest of the world. But that's irrelevant to what you said. You responded to accusations of Trump being a racist by saying that the left thinks all white males are racists. That's enough to respond to an accusation rooted purely in his gender and ethnicity but people aren't calling him a racist because of that, they're calling him a racist because of all the racist things he says and does. Also I think looking at Saudi Arabia and saying "why should we do more than them?" is pretty silly. It comes down to "let's find the worst people we can so we can feel okay when we're as bad as they are". Just because someone isn't the worst doesn't mean they can't do better. I do not literally believe every leftist believes that every white male is a racist. I am sorry I gave that impression. I was bitterly mocking his conclusion that 'trump's a racist everyone has always known he was a racist' as if it's matter-of-fact. I simply disagree with the notion that Trump should be called a racist or sexist for the things he has said this election cycle. It's just racist scandal after racist scandal from the media and when you look at the actual things he says versus how the media portrays him as 'literally' hitler, it's no wonder he won the republican primary. People are fed up with this authoritarian political correct bullshit trying to police people. Yes I agree bigotry and actual racism and actual sexism and actual homophobia are all very terrible things so I am somewhat understanding of the passion with which the 'progressive left' wants to stamp them out. But the war is over we won it's pretty much dead in the West. Where oppression like this isn't dead is in places ruled by Islamic Law where you ACTUALLY get murdered for dissenting beliefs/behaviors. Trump takes some controversial positions on mexican illegal immigration. Is it nice to deport all the illegal immigrants back to their home country away from our richer welfare state? No. But is it racist? No. Is it racist to point out? No. The MSM would have you believe it is though. It is racist to say that a person by virtue of his ethnicity (and no other evidence) is not doing his sworn duty correctly. It is racist to question that the President of the United States by virtue of his heritage and no other evidence is not an American citizen. Yes it is racist to suggest that. I do not believe that is what Trump did . He has clearly stated motivations for believing that the trial was being conducted unfairly and offered the judge's 'perspective' or 'race' as a possible motivator for why it might be unfair. The organization the judge is a part of clearly indicates he has some stake in Trump's success or not and that his judgment of this trial will directly affect that success. Is that still controversial? Yes. Is it as simple as him judging the judge as being incapable due to his race? No. What narrative is the media selling? You guess
If he has clearly states motivations for believing the trial is being conducted unfairly that do not rely on race why have his laywers not tried to have the judge replaced?
Why did he take the argument to national tv by using his position as Presidential candidate instead?
Is he going to make such statements about judges involved in his (former) business lawsuits when he is President?
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On June 08 2016 08:51 Plansix wrote:
Trump is a sexist asshole. And like most powerful people, he can find any number of useful idiots to defend him.
Yep. Like how he employed the first female construction lead in history and she had nothing but positive things to say about him. Or how the media tried to use his ex-wife to slander him and she came out the next day saying the media was very unfair about what she said about him, taken out of context, and then had nothing but praise for him.
It's pathetic.
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On June 08 2016 08:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 08:40 Rebs wrote:On June 08 2016 08:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 08:30 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 08:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 08:05 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 08:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 07:58 KwarK wrote:On June 08 2016 07:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On June 08 2016 07:56 Plansix wrote:
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Trump is racist. It's been fact for a long time. He has been accused of it over and over for decades. Every white male is a racist to the left That's not how it works, only the ones who say and do racist things are. He got called a racist for saying we should halt immigration from muslims. They just want to make everything about race when it has nothing to do with race it has to do with facts and national security. I honestly think race-baiting is a bigger problem in the west at this point than actual racism. You do understand that your argument was that "the left call all white males racist, that means that if a white male is called a racist by the left then no matter what he has said or done, he must not be racist", right? An argument that incidentally also exonerates Hitler. Now I'm not saying that Trump is Hitler, just that maybe instead of going "the left calls all white males racist" and dismissing it based on that, you should actually look at what Trump has said and done and base the decision upon that. Because otherwise we have to dismiss a lot of charges of racism and some of them will cover racists, like Hitler, and Trump. I have never made that conclusion. I'm sure some whites are dirty racists in our country but widespread or dangerous? I think not. Western white countries are literally the least racist countries in the world and that's not a racist thing to say that's a fact. How many refugees has the West taken in just from this Syrian conflict compared to actual Middle-Eastern countries like Saudi-Arabia or Bahrain or UAE? The west is so anti-racist places like the UK and Germany are literally passing authoritarian laws to censor any sort of criticism of immigration because they're too afraid of 'looking racist'. Nowhere else in the world would you get the amount of humanitarian aid and tolerance shown by Western countries. The whole 'radical conservative backwards racist conservative' hoax is literally white guilt indoctrination. You're right, the liberal West is far more liberal than the rest of the world. But that's irrelevant to what you said. You responded to accusations of Trump being a racist by saying that the left thinks all white males are racists. That's enough to respond to an accusation rooted purely in his gender and ethnicity but people aren't calling him a racist because of that, they're calling him a racist because of all the racist things he says and does. Also I think looking at Saudi Arabia and saying "why should we do more than them?" is pretty silly. It comes down to "let's find the worst people we can so we can feel okay when we're as bad as they are". Just because someone isn't the worst doesn't mean they can't do better. I do not literally believe every leftist believes that every white male is a racist. I am sorry I gave that impression. I was bitterly mocking his conclusion that 'trump's a racist everyone has always known he was a racist' as if it's matter-of-fact. I simply disagree with the notion that Trump should be called a racist or sexist for the things he has said this election cycle. It's just racist scandal after racist scandal from the media and when you look at the actual things he says versus how the media portrays him as 'literally' hitler, it's no wonder he won the republican primary. People are fed up with this authoritarian political correct bullshit trying to police people. Yes I agree bigotry and actual racism and actual sexism and actual homophobia are all very terrible things so I am somewhat understanding of the passion with which the 'progressive left' wants to stamp them out. But the war is over we won it's pretty much dead in the West. Where oppression like this isn't dead is in places ruled by Islamic Law where you ACTUALLY get murdered for dissenting beliefs/behaviors. Trump takes some controversial positions on mexican illegal immigration. Is it nice to deport all the illegal immigrants back to their home country away from our richer welfare state? No. But is it racist? No. Is it racist to point out? No. The MSM would have you believe it is though. It is racist to say that a person by virtue of his ethnicity (and no other evidence) is not doing his sworn duty correctly. It is racist to question that the President of the United States by virtue of his heritage and no other evidence is not an American citizen. Yes it is racist to suggest that. I do not believe that is what Trump did . He has clearly stated motivations for believing that the trial was being conducted unfairly and offered the judge's 'perspective' or 'race' as a possible motivator for why it might be unfair. The organization the judge is a part of clearly indicates he has some stake in Trump's success or not and that his judgment of this trial will directly affect that success. Is that still controversial? Yes. Is it as simple as him judging the judge as being incapable due to his race? No. What narrative is the media selling? You guess
OK so he says. This judge is treating me unfairly. I dont know why, but his parents are mexican. But you know I dont know... Im not saying its because they are mexican. But you gotta think hes treating me unfairly
1) The first assumption is that he is accusing a judge of being unfair to him.
OK.. then why arent his lawyers making this argument. Because its bullshit. So he is making an incorrect statement
2) Now not only has he made an incorrect statement he is citing race as the likely reason he is being treated unfairly.
You know what a judges job is ? To be fair.
So the equation works like this.
Heck the judge even gave him a break and set the trial for after the election. This judge has done more to keep illegal shit out of the US than Trump will ever do in his life. There is plenty to suggest on this Judge's resume that he is very good at his job.
Trumps resume is being an asshole to people.
hmmmmm....
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On June 08 2016 08:51 Plansix wrote:
Trump is a sexist asshole.
could say the same about the otherside?
Look at how she treated secret service? Wearing a 12K jacket while talking about income inequality? Paying women in her office 72 cents on the dollar compared to men?
sexist asshole?
What's trumps record on paying women in his business?
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On June 08 2016 08:44 SK.Testie wrote:
So you're against the Migrant crisis? Or perhaps at least a far more sensible solution to it. Not this mass migration that is coming from WAY more countries than just Syria. Do you think Republicans have a point in saying, "accept Christians and families please! Muslims, no thank you?" Of all the Muslims I talk to they tell me the only hopeful country in the region is Iran. And judging from my own readings it seems to be the only one.
So why would the left keep forcing mass immigration against our will?
What of Mexico? It's full of beautiful and awesome people I agree and I loved my visit there. But I was also robbed within one day of being there which hadn't happened to me once in all my days of being in the west. So maybe.. republicans can say.. BUILD THE WALL?
Everyone is "against" the migrant crisis in the sense that they'd rather people were staying back home in a stable country with jobs and prospects etc, hell, I think even the migrants would agree on that. What people disagree with is what to do about it. I'd rather secure borders with camps outside of the EU for processing, screening and so forth and ideally for getting them back home when shit stops hitting the fan there.
As for the Muslims coming to the US, no, I don't agree. The hysterical claims of millions of ISIS members crossing into America are false, we are talking small numbers of heavily screened individuals to the point that I feel no more threatened by knowing they're a Muslim than I do by anything else. If there was a murderous army waiting to destroy America and Obama wanted to invite them in I'd object to that policy. But that isn't the reality of the situation, that's a propaganda piece that the far right tell themselves. I work with handful of Muslims day to day from all over the Middle East (foreign students doing their PhDs mostly) and the reality of the situation is that once they get their doctorates they will probably be denied the right to stay in the US due to their backgrounds. Which is insane, they're overqualified for their home nations, they're bright and motivated young men and they're very happy to be in the US. Hell, half of them eat pork. But this is where we end up from fearing the Muslim.
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On June 08 2016 08:49 Rebs wrote:
Except when he comes home and dinners not ready, he goes through the roof.
Edit: O no wait I remember. I In Testies world this is how it works..
I bring the food. Now bitch go make me a sandwich
I've literally never treated a woman like that. However I do think if the man is paying for rent, food, and everything else. Yes as part of their relationship deal he is able to expect dinner at a certain time if he so chooses unless she has her own very vibrant life to live and they share duties. When you own as many businesses and are clearly a workaholic like Trump I don't know if you have a lot of time to share duties. If your free lodger can't do one duty for you in return for all that it's kind of a dick move.
And I've seen his temperament. Are you kidding? Trump through the roof would be like, "You know. I put in a tremendous amount of work for this family. And everyone knows it, they all agree it's great, great work. But I come home and dinner's not on the table? It's unfair, I'm being treated very unfairly Melania. SAD!"
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