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On May 19 2016 08:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Also just imagined a Trump political ad where Clinton at getting a light sentence for a child rapist. Then imagine the victim, who has done interviews, comes out again. Jesus Christ.
Probably a compilation/series of her helping Bill by attacking his accusers too. Mix in some references to his trips to the island on his buddies plane all over social media and people will be thoroughly disgusted.
The funny part will be it won't be him, it will be some superPAC that ran adds against him (or sat out) during the primary and Trump will deny being associated with it. Hillary won't be able to say anything like "Yeah Right!?" because she'll be using the same BS line about her superPAC's not having anything to do with her (despite all being run by former employees/coworkers/friends).
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Hillary is at her best when she talks policy. When it comes to evaluating her on a personal level, she really doesn't do all that well.
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On May 19 2016 08:30 SK.Testie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2016 08:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So if Clinton's plan is to paint herself as an outsider she is going to be laughed out of this race. she has to pick a progressive VP otherwise she either barely wins or loses outright against Trump. Most people in this thread were very confident she is going to win very handily against Trump. What makes you think she'll lose? Most people just show the 'unfavourability' polls and call it a day.
I think Trump has this election in the bag. Hillary's credibility is shot, and Trump "hasn't even started on her yet". Honestly, I think Trump has much more appeal cross both parties than Hillary does. The people have been frustrated with the establishment for a very long time, and Hillary represents that establishment as a key player. The message of being an outsider or anti-establishment is vague enough to draw in supporters from many different backgrounds. I believe there will be swarms of new voters coming to elect Trump.
The average Bernie supporter despises Hillary, and I can't see them voting for her come November. There is a schism within the Democratic party, and I think Trump will become the beneficiary. Bernie supporters are going to either vote Independent(i.e Gary johnson or John Mcafee), not vote at all, or vote for Trump.
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On May 19 2016 08:41 LegalLord wrote:
Hillary is at her best when she talks policy. When it comes to evaluating her on a personal level, she really doesn't do all that well.
Compared to Obama she is way off. Let's tie her to Iraq, Libya, even the Clinton Foundation or worse, for the older voters, the Balkan Crisis in the 90's where she said she didn't care what happened there as her Healthcare movement was more important.
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Will the average Bernie voter fall in line though when Bernie campaigns for Hillary? What if she elects him VP because she sees that as her only shot of winning? If she gets Warren or Bernie, won't Bernie fans flock toward her.. not necessarily for her but just in the off chance.. 'well.. if she dies.. BERNIE PRESIDENT!'
Which is not the best line of thinking, but it's going to be thought. I reiterate that Bernie has already said publicly that if he loses he's going to campaign 7 days a week so that there is not a Trump win.
Hilariously enough, my Serbian friend is terrified of a Hillary presidency. While I think those fears are unfounded currently he has a great distaste for the Clintons. He's scared of a Trump presidency too but I've eased him into it. Basically he wants Obama again.
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No they will flock towards Sanders or Warren if Clinton chooses them as a VP. But the big question is if she were to do that, the result would be that they would quickly overshadow her. Her ego won't allow that to happen no matter what.
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On May 19 2016 08:46 SK.Testie wrote:
Will the average Bernie voter fall in line though when Bernie campaigns for Hillary? What if she elects him VP because she sees that as her only shot of winning? If she gets Warren or Bernie, won't Bernie fans flock toward her.. not necessarily for her but just in the off chance.. 'well.. if she dies.. BERNIE PRESIDENT!'
Which is not the best line of thinking, but it's going to be thought. I reiterate that Bernie has already said publicly that if he loses he's going to campaign 7 days a week so that there is not a Trump win.
Some of the older Bernie voters might go Hillary. However, I think most people in our age group would never vote Hillary. Especially males, but from what I've seen many women our age don't like her either. I honestly see most of them just not voting at all if it's a Trump vs Hillary election.
EDIT: Even though Bernie said he would endorse Hillary, I can't see him running as a VP. I almost get the Kasich impression from him. It's president or bust. Stealth almost made a good point about Hillary's ego too.
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On May 19 2016 08:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
No they will flock towards Sanders or Warren if Clinton chooses them as a VP. But the big question is if she were to do that, the result would be that they would quickly overshadow her. Her ego won't allow that to happen no matter what.
She might not have a choice, she can't really leave them in the Senate to conspire against her. She would certainly prefer Warren, but she might not be enough unless it comes with "She and Bernie have also convinced me I need to do more on blah blah blah" Without that most people just wont go out of their way to vote or will vote for someone else (without some grade A fear mongering).
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Then she has to keep one of them in the Senate as a majority leader or minority leader. There's no choice if the DNC doesn't want to end up like the GOP is quickly becoming right now.
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On May 19 2016 09:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Then she has to keep one of them in the Senate as a majority leader or minority leader. There's no choice if the DNC doesn't want to end up like the GOP is quickly becoming right now.
I don't think that's her current strategy though. I think she plans on ditching them both and playing for disaffected Republicans/Moderates and find an accommodating pick. She's floated all sorts of names but I almost guarantee she'll pick a white guy those people at least like more than her (pretty low bar).
The same hubris that brought down the GOP is at play here, just that Obama was a hell of a lot better for the DNC than Bush was for the GOP so it's going to take a bit longer. Hillary (should she somehow win the general) would be the DNC's Bush and the collapse would happen that much faster (modern era and all).
Whether it's Trump or Hillary at least we can count on old Harry Kissinger being an important voice in foreign policy...
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On May 19 2016 08:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Also just imagined a Trump political ad where Clinton at getting a light sentence for a child rapist. Then imagine the victim, who has done interviews, comes out again. Jesus Christ.
Don't forget to include allegations that Bill is a rapist and that Hillary covered for him. (Trump is dropping that bomb tonight on Hannity).
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On May 19 2016 09:18 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2016 08:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Also just imagined a Trump political ad where Clinton at getting a light sentence for a child rapist. Then imagine the victim, who has done interviews, comes out again. Jesus Christ. Don't forget to include allegations that Bill is a rapist and that Hillary covered for him. (Trump is dropping that bomb tonight on Hannity).
This was tried in the 90s. How did that go again?
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On May 19 2016 09:20 CannonsNCarriers wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2016 09:18 xDaunt wrote:On May 19 2016 08:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Also just imagined a Trump political ad where Clinton at getting a light sentence for a child rapist. Then imagine the victim, who has done interviews, comes out again. Jesus Christ. Don't forget to include allegations that Bill is a rapist and that Hillary covered for him. (Trump is dropping that bomb tonight on Hannity). This was tried in the 90s. How did that go again?
The GOP didn't want a second clinton term so they made up a bunch of shit to try and keep him out of office.
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On May 19 2016 09:20 CannonsNCarriers wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2016 09:18 xDaunt wrote:On May 19 2016 08:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Also just imagined a Trump political ad where Clinton at getting a light sentence for a child rapist. Then imagine the victim, who has done interviews, comes out again. Jesus Christ. Don't forget to include allegations that Bill is a rapist and that Hillary covered for him. (Trump is dropping that bomb tonight on Hannity). This was tried in the 90s. How did that go again?
It's a different argument this time. Back then, Hillary did what popular society wanted, which was to take the side of letting the women be slandered and defend the president/her husband. That's not the right thing to do now. That's a totally separate issue than what was being hashed out at the time.
Trump's been careful to make it about her and not about Bill too.
I think poking at the idea that the Clinton's are in a purely political marriage (like those from the times of Kings and Courts) is going to work for Trump as well.
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A wave of recent polls shows that majorities of voters in five states, and a majority nationwide, support legalizing medical marijuana. Many voters also support legalizing marijuana for recreational use.
Eighty percent of Florida’s registered voters would support a state constitutional amendment to legalize medical marijuana. While support drops when voters are asked about recreational use, the issue still garners a majority with 56 percent for it and 41 percent against.
Ohio’s House of Representatives recently passed a bill that would legalize medical marijuana in the state. Ninety percent of Ohio voters support the measure while full legalization has a narrow majority of support at 52 percent to 45 percent.
Rhode Island is much more open to the idea. Sixty-seven percent of voters there support the state’s current law allowing the use of marijuana for medical purposes. A majority, 55 percent, support passing a law to legalize it for recreational use. The same proportion of registered and likely voters in Maine supports full legalization in that state.
Even in conservative Utah, about 66 percent of all voters, including 55 percent of Republicans, support the legalization of medical marijuana.
A recent CBS national poll of adults found that 56 percent of Americans support marijuana legalization and 36 percent of adults disapprove of it. Almost 90 percent say medical marijuana use should be allowed.
Opinion has changed drastically on this issue over time. In a 1979 CBS national poll, only 27 percent of Americans supported marijuana legalization while 69 percent wanted it to remain illegal. That’s a gain of 29 percentage points for legalization.
According to Gallup, the reason for the shift is that newer generations are more inclined to accept legalization.
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On May 19 2016 09:31 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2016 09:20 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On May 19 2016 09:18 xDaunt wrote:On May 19 2016 08:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Also just imagined a Trump political ad where Clinton at getting a light sentence for a child rapist. Then imagine the victim, who has done interviews, comes out again. Jesus Christ. Don't forget to include allegations that Bill is a rapist and that Hillary covered for him. (Trump is dropping that bomb tonight on Hannity). This was tried in the 90s. How did that go again? It's a different argument this time. Back then, Hillary did what popular society wanted, which was to take the side of letting the women be slandered and defend the president/her husband. That's not the right thing to do now. That's a totally separate issue than what was being hashed out at the time. Trump's been careful to make it about her and not about Bill too. I think poking at the idea that the Clinton's are in a purely political marriage (like those from the times of Kings and Courts) is going to work for Trump as well.
So Clinton did what most people would have considered normal at the time, making her normal. Fast forward years later, and let's now demonize her as if she was doing these things modern day before she came to all the same realizations everyone else did. It's essentially asking her to be 20+ years ahead of society.
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one of the ironies i realized today is how sanders supporters say "im not going to be blackmailed into voting for clinton by people saying how bad trump is" when they frequently try and bash clinton... when sanders really has shit all for a record
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Attacking Bill for Bill's affairs didn't work in the 90s. Attacking Hillary for Bill's affairs 20 years later will eliminate any last vestiges of female support for Trump. This is a highly gendered board, but outside of our gender bubble women really don't like seeing other women attacked for their husband's bad behavior.
// Also, this will open the door wide open for a discussion of Trump's downright villainous behavior with women in his past.
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Something interesting I ran into.
Burlington College officials announced to students, faculty, and staff on Monday that the school will shutter its doors in two weeks, the Burlington Free Press reported. The school will officially close on May 27.
Burlington has long faced financial difficulties stemming from a 2010 purchase of 32 acres of land. Notably, Jane Sanders, wife of Vermont Sen. and Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, oversaw the deal during her time as president of the 250-student college.
Incidents over the past few years, however, struck the biggest blows to the college, Yves Bradley, chair of the college’s board of trustees, told The Chronicle of Higher Education.
He explained:
I think that the biggest nail in the coffin, frankly, was about two years ago. We began what I call "the troubled period." Which is when a lot of media called us out and had nothing but negative things to say about the college, particularly beginning with President Plunkett’s resignation and the behavior of the students around that.
Christine Plunkett served as president of Burlington College from 2012 to 2014, directly following Sanders. She aimed to increase enrollment and set a target of growing Burlington's enrollment to as large as 750 students, according to the Free Press. She also created a housing-development plan that would help pay off some of the colleges debts.
But Plunkett's efforts to bring financial stability to the college were ultimately unsuccessful. In 2014, the student union and faculty and staff council issued a statement of no-confidence in her leadership, according to the Burlington Free Press.
Plunkett resigned suddenly amid a tense altercation with students, who confronted her about the housing development plan after a board meeting. She snapped, saying, "OK, I resign. Happy?" according to the Free Press.
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Bringing up Bills conduct in the 90s is going to go over like a wet fart. People are going see it for exactly like it is. People don't become stupid during elections, but sure get treated like they are stupid.
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