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On May 19 2016 09:51 CannonsNCarriers wrote: Attacking Bill for Bill's affairs didn't work in the 90s. Attacking Hillary for Bill's affairs 20 years later will eliminate any last vestiges of female support for Trump. This is a highly gendered board, but outside of our gender bubble women really don't like seeing other women attacked for their husband's bad behavior.
// Also, this will open the door wide open for a discussion of Trump's downright villainous behavior with women in his past.
Everyone knows what Trump is superficially and ~half of the country doesn't care, call it what you want but they know it and it's not going to make them not vote for him. That's why after saying the only reason Hillary's even got more than 5% of the vote is because she's a woman he's got another poll saying he would beat her 45% to 42%. How are people still not getting this?
On May 19 2016 09:51 CannonsNCarriers wrote: Attacking Bill for Bill's affairs didn't work in the 90s. Attacking Hillary for Bill's affairs 20 years later will eliminate any last vestiges of female support for Trump. This is a highly gendered board, but outside of our gender bubble women really don't like seeing other women attacked for their husband's bad behavior.
// Also, this will open the door wide open for a discussion of Trump's downright villainous behavior with women in his past.
Yes, the MSM is trying hard to demonize Trump's sexuality. Hillary isn't as strong as her husband in general, so if she's with a serial adulterer it might be worse on her image than it was for his.
You know there is a certain vainglorious doofus who might be able to help Hillary in her contest with Trump. He could maybe stop smearing her and avoid a contested convention he is mathematically certain to lose ... what is that guy's name again ...
On May 19 2016 10:11 CannonsNCarriers wrote: You know there is a certain vainglorious doofus who might be able to help Hillary in her contest with Trump. He could maybe stop smearing her and avoid a contested convention he is mathematically certain to lose ... what is that guy's name again ...
He and Obama will be campaigning for her eventually.
Dont take polls you see right now too seriously. Right now you have Bernie supporters who are not at the moment willing to support Hilary but like when similar things were happening in 2008 once the concession happens and everyone hugs it out and Bernie is campaigning for her his supporters will come around and the numbers will be what they were 3 weeks ago.
Donald isnt campaigning well so much as the Democratic voters have not started unifying yet so when they do his numbers will plummet and the polls showing him winning are mostly just people still in the heat of primary fever.
On May 19 2016 11:08 Adreme wrote: Dont take polls you see right now too seriously. Right now you have Bernie supporters who are not at the moment willing to support Hilary but like when similar things were happening in 2008 once the concession happens and everyone hugs it out and Bernie is campaigning for her his supporters will come around and the numbers will be what they were 3 weeks ago.
Donald isnt campaigning well so much as the Democratic voters have not started unifying yet so when they do his numbers will plummet and the polls showing him winning are mostly just people still in the heat of primary fever.
I think this could happen, but it would be after the national convention, and not in the next few weeks.
In public, presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump rails against U.S. companies that outsource jobs overseas, like Nabisco, Carrier and Ford. He has called for a boycott of Apple and accused Disney of abusing the H1-B visa program to staff its resorts.
But in private, Trump is profiting from investments in the very same corporations he trashes on the campaign trail.
According to Trump’s personal disclosure forms, released Wednesday, he earned between $150,000 and $1.1 million in the past year from investments in companies that he has publicly attacked.
Trump’s most frequent targets include Nabisco, the Carrier Corporation, and Ford. The parent companies of Nabisco and Carrier have both outsourced hundreds of jobs to Mexico in recent months. Ford plans to build a new plant in Mexico’s San Luis Potosí state, a plan Trump has called “a disgrace.”
“Carrier and Ford and Nabisco need to know that there are consequences to leaving and firing people,” Trump told a crowd in Indiana last month. “You can’t just go to another country and make products to sell across our weak borders, because our borders will be so strong.”
The mogul’s anger with outsourcing does not extend to his portfolio, however. Trump’s stake in Ford is worth between $500,000 and $1 million, according to his disclosure. He also pocketed as much as $20,000 in interest from his holdings in United Technologies and Mondelez International, the parent companies of Carrier and Nabisco, respectively.
In February, Trump called for a boycott of Apple after the company refused to break into the iPhone of the San Bernardino shooter. “What I think you ought to do is boycott Apple until such a time as they give that security number,” Trump told a crowd in South Carolina. “How do you like that? I just thought of it. Boycott Apple.”
Trump’s proposed boycott did not apply to his own business with Apple, however — nor his use of their products. Trump’s investments in the software and device giant have netted him between $100,000 and a million dollars in dividends and capital gains over the past year.
A spokeswoman for the Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment about his investments.
On May 19 2016 11:08 Adreme wrote: Dont take polls you see right now too seriously. Right now you have Bernie supporters who are not at the moment willing to support Hilary but like when similar things were happening in 2008 once the concession happens and everyone hugs it out and Bernie is campaigning for her his supporters will come around and the numbers will be what they were 3 weeks ago.
Donald isnt campaigning well so much as the Democratic voters have not started unifying yet so when they do his numbers will plummet and the polls showing him winning are mostly just people still in the heat of primary fever.
And this is why superdelegates immediately rallied behind Clinton: political parties benefit immensely by wrapping things up quick.
Eh, I doubt there is any real causation between wrapping things up quickly and being strong in the general. If there is a correlation, its probably because the candidate that eventually wins kinda sucks (ALA Hillary, Trump, Carter) or was an insurgent (Obama, Goldwater, Bill Clinton) and often the party elites don't get behind insurgents.
On May 19 2016 12:12 cLutZ wrote: Eh, I doubt there is any real causation between wrapping things up quickly and being strong in the general. If there is a correlation, its probably because the candidate that eventually wins kinda sucks (ALA Hillary, Trump, Carter) or was an insurgent (Obama, Goldwater, Bill Clinton) and often the party elites don't get behind insurgents.
No matter how you look at it, for a given set of candidates, a primary being decided earlier is always better.
However, I do agree that it would be hard to draw a comparison given all the different situations.
On May 19 2016 11:08 Adreme wrote: Dont take polls you see right now too seriously. Right now you have Bernie supporters who are not at the moment willing to support Hilary but like when similar things were happening in 2008 once the concession happens and everyone hugs it out and Bernie is campaigning for her his supporters will come around and the numbers will be what they were 3 weeks ago.
Donald isnt campaigning well so much as the Democratic voters have not started unifying yet so when they do his numbers will plummet and the polls showing him winning are mostly just people still in the heat of primary fever.
All the same I wouldn't take your predictions too seriously. Trump has shown a remarkable ability to defy the narrative advanced in the popular media of his 'unelectibility' time and time again
On May 19 2016 11:08 Adreme wrote: Dont take polls you see right now too seriously. Right now you have Bernie supporters who are not at the moment willing to support Hilary but like when similar things were happening in 2008 once the concession happens and everyone hugs it out and Bernie is campaigning for her his supporters will come around and the numbers will be what they were 3 weeks ago.
Donald isnt campaigning well so much as the Democratic voters have not started unifying yet so when they do his numbers will plummet and the polls showing him winning are mostly just people still in the heat of primary fever.
And this is why superdelegates immediately rallied behind Clinton: political parties benefit immensely by wrapping things up quick.
Itll end with plenty of time and then when it does he will come out and say something like "I have been campaigning against Donald Trump for over 30 years. He is everything I have been fighting against and if you were ever truly my supporter and if you truly supported what we were fighting for then you can not in good faith vote for him" This will begin the unification and it will be fine. There are 6 months until the election after all and Hilary waited until the end to get out as well. Bernie will not stay in if he thinks it will honestly get Trump elected because he knows what that would mean for his cause.
The heist of a major historical document apparently went undiscovered for more than 20 years. Now, a stolen letter from Christopher Columbus spreading the news that the world isn't flat has been returned from the U.S. to Italy.
The 1493 letter from Columbus to his royal patrons Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain details his "voyage of discovery to the Americas," the Justice Department said in a statement. Printed copies of the letter, which was written during the trans-Atlantic journey back to Europe, were "instrumental in spreading the news throughout Europe about Columbus's voyage."
Justice Department investigator Jamie McCall, who is involved in the case, tells NPR's Chris Arnold about this account of Columbus' historic journey. "Columbus described the native people [as] very quick to provide him with gifts, and friendly: individuals that would be easy to conquer by the European powers," McCall says. "I mean, that's something that stuck out to me."
The Riccardiana Library in Florence, Italy, housed one of those printed copies of the letter. But as Chris reports, the document was stolen at some point before 1992 and "replaced with a forgery that was only recently discovered."
Then, as Chris reports, it was sold in 1992 at a New York auction for $300,000 and eventually donated to the Library of Congress.
The Justice Department says special agents with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement were tipped off in 2012 that the letter had been stolen — and was believed to be in the Library of Congress.
On May 19 2016 11:08 Adreme wrote: Dont take polls you see right now too seriously. Right now you have Bernie supporters who are not at the moment willing to support Hilary but like when similar things were happening in 2008 once the concession happens and everyone hugs it out and Bernie is campaigning for her his supporters will come around and the numbers will be what they were 3 weeks ago.
Donald isnt campaigning well so much as the Democratic voters have not started unifying yet so when they do his numbers will plummet and the polls showing him winning are mostly just people still in the heat of primary fever.
And this is why superdelegates immediately rallied behind Clinton: political parties benefit immensely by wrapping things up quick.
Itll end with plenty of time and then when it does he will come out and say something like "I have been campaigning against Donald Trump for over 30 years. He is everything I have been fighting against and if you were ever truly my supporter and if you truly supported what we were fighting for then you can not in good faith vote for him" This will begin the unification and it will be fine. There are 6 months until the election after all and Hilary waited until the end to get out as well. Bernie will not stay in if he thinks it will honestly get Trump elected because he knows what that would mean for his cause.
Ah yes. Bernies cause. "Fight the corrupt establishment!! Fight the big banks! Fight wall street! Fight lobbyists! Fight the Waltons! The politicians are all crooks!" "So we need bigger government, thus more bureaucrats, and here's Hillary the poster girl for the establishment who is friends with every shady interest in the world!! Saudi Arabia? np"
Quite a cause.
Meanwhile the guy on the other side self funded his campaign, maneuvered past a tonne of obstacles in the media or blew threw them, and has bent the establishment to his will. He's out doing the interviews daily, whereas Hillary hides from them. Trump is pretty socially liberal and most of his policies will be fairly liberal. And he's at least called out Saudi Arabia and a large number of other people that just always got a free pass.
And then Bernies lies and identity politics will come into play as he campaigns for Hillary non-stop. "He's sexist!" Hires women in top positions all his life. This should be the literal negation of the argument. Tonnes of women who dated the man support and love the man while ripping the NYT on their BS hit job. "He's racist!" Same. Hiring all races and believing in meritocracy. "His rhetoric though!" Actually highlights a problem that a large % of the nation feels far more than the rest of the nation. + Show Spoiler +
He's just going to pander with, "He's divisive!" meanwhile the left will always divide everyone into their own victimized group. It's appalling, yet appallingly effective. And then his fans will wave flags saying, "love wins!" while Hillary takes the throne.
I mean... most bernie supporters already know there is a lot of corruption / rigging of the system going on.. and many hillary supporters really just don't give a fuck
but watch the video and tell me that's not disgusting
On May 19 2016 11:08 Adreme wrote: Dont take polls you see right now too seriously. Right now you have Bernie supporters who are not at the moment willing to support Hilary but like when similar things were happening in 2008 once the concession happens and everyone hugs it out and Bernie is campaigning for her his supporters will come around and the numbers will be what they were 3 weeks ago.
Donald isnt campaigning well so much as the Democratic voters have not started unifying yet so when they do his numbers will plummet and the polls showing him winning are mostly just people still in the heat of primary fever.
And this is why superdelegates immediately rallied behind Clinton: political parties benefit immensely by wrapping things up quick.
Itll end with plenty of time and then when it does he will come out and say something like "I have been campaigning against Donald Trump for over 30 years. He is everything I have been fighting against and if you were ever truly my supporter and if you truly supported what we were fighting for then you can not in good faith vote for him" This will begin the unification and it will be fine. There are 6 months until the election after all and Hilary waited until the end to get out as well. Bernie will not stay in if he thinks it will honestly get Trump elected because he knows what that would mean for his cause.
Ah yes. Bernies cause. "Fight the corrupt establishment!! Fight the big banks! Fight wall street! Fight lobbyists! Fight the Waltons! The politicians are all crooks!" "So we need bigger government, thus more bureaucrats, and here's Hillary the poster girl for the establishment who is friends with every shady interest in the world!! Saudi Arabia? np"
Quite a cause.
Meanwhile the guy on the other side self funded his campaign, maneuvered past a tonne of obstacles in the media or blew threw them, and has bent the establishment to his will. He's out doing the interviews daily, whereas Hillary hides from them. Trump is pretty socially liberal and most of his policies will be fairly liberal. And he's at least called out Saudi Arabia and a large number of other people that just always got a free pass.
And then Bernies lies and identity politics will come into play as he campaigns for Hillary non-stop. "He's sexist!" Hires women in top positions all his life. This should be the literal negation of the argument. Tonnes of women who dated the man support and love the man while ripping the NYT on their BS hit job. "He's racist!" Same. Hiring all races and believing in meritocracy. "His rhetoric though!" Actually highlights a problem that a large % of the nation feels far more than the rest of the nation. + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZXbG5gvoC0
He's just going to pander with, "He's divisive!" meanwhile the left will always divide everyone into their own victimized group. It's appalling, yet appallingly effective. And then his fans will wave flags saying, "love wins!" while Hillary takes the throne.
Don't forget he's been a celebrity for decades but the racism/sexism narrative didn't start until this presidential bid.
On May 19 2016 11:08 Adreme wrote: Dont take polls you see right now too seriously. Right now you have Bernie supporters who are not at the moment willing to support Hilary but like when similar things were happening in 2008 once the concession happens and everyone hugs it out and Bernie is campaigning for her his supporters will come around and the numbers will be what they were 3 weeks ago.
Donald isnt campaigning well so much as the Democratic voters have not started unifying yet so when they do his numbers will plummet and the polls showing him winning are mostly just people still in the heat of primary fever.
And this is why superdelegates immediately rallied behind Clinton: political parties benefit immensely by wrapping things up quick.
Itll end with plenty of time and then when it does he will come out and say something like "I have been campaigning against Donald Trump for over 30 years. He is everything I have been fighting against and if you were ever truly my supporter and if you truly supported what we were fighting for then you can not in good faith vote for him" This will begin the unification and it will be fine. There are 6 months until the election after all and Hilary waited until the end to get out as well. Bernie will not stay in if he thinks it will honestly get Trump elected because he knows what that would mean for his cause.
Ah yes. Bernies cause. "Fight the corrupt establishment!! Fight the big banks! Fight wall street! Fight lobbyists! Fight the Waltons! The politicians are all crooks!" "So we need bigger government, thus more bureaucrats, and here's Hillary the poster girl for the establishment who is friends with every shady interest in the world!! Saudi Arabia? np"
Quite a cause.
Meanwhile the guy on the other side self funded his campaign, maneuvered past a tonne of obstacles in the media or blew threw them, and has bent the establishment to his will. He's out doing the interviews daily, whereas Hillary hides from them. Trump is pretty socially liberal and most of his policies will be fairly liberal. And he's at least called out Saudi Arabia and a large number of other people that just always got a free pass.
And then Bernies lies and identity politics will come into play as he campaigns for Hillary non-stop. "He's sexist!" Hires women in top positions all his life. This should be the literal negation of the argument. Tonnes of women who dated the man support and love the man while ripping the NYT on their BS hit job. "He's racist!" Same. Hiring all races and believing in meritocracy. "His rhetoric though!" Actually highlights a problem that a large % of the nation feels far more than the rest of the nation. + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZXbG5gvoC0
He's just going to pander with, "He's divisive!" meanwhile the left will always divide everyone into their own victimized group. It's appalling, yet appallingly effective. And then his fans will wave flags saying, "love wins!" while Hillary takes the throne.
Don't forget he's been a celebrity for decades but the racism/sexism narrative didn't start until this presidential bid.
Thats because being a self important delusional fool who was only a legend in his own mind but in reality was a guy who was a mediocre at best businessman who knew how to play to a camera was part of his entertainment value but now he is running for president so the fact that he is all those things are now a negative because he is no longer an entertainer.
Thats because being a self important delusional fool
Quite an assuming label. I liked Larry King's description better. "Huge ego. But he's got a great heart." So, we can listen to you. Or we could listen to the people who know him best in his life? + Show Spoiler +
who was only a legend in his own mind
Eh.. he's definitely getting more legendary.
but in reality was a guy who was a mediocre at best businessman
Connections all over the world. Great business success rate. + Show Spoiler +
Between 22,450 or 34,000 employees. Wiki says 22,450 so we'll go with that.
who knew how to play to a camera was part of his entertainment value
What a versatile talent that is a great cheerleader for the country and invigorates his base
but now he is running for president so the fact that he is all those things are now a negative because he is no longer an entertainer.
[citation needed]
So the fact that he is all those things"
Again... Hire women as executives on building projects in the 80's. "Sexist pig."+ Show Spoiler +
Do you even listen to yourself? Giving top jobs to women in the 80's.. in New York the insanely competitive market probably means that these were very capable people.
Have you ever been in a position of power like that? Have you hired someone personally to be responsible for a massive building project? Really?
These really should be complete non-issues that I shouldn't have to bring up. But yet, here they are. Knowing exactly what the playbook is on the left. All you need to do to top it off is a few studies of, "Democrats are more educated than Republicans. Hint: They're all stupid" and you've got yourself another Dem president.
These issues I drag the thread into are non-issues, or should be. But they are there. And we see them daily in the media. Also Trav, GH already did that Nevada piece. There was a consensus from Hillary's people that nothing was wrong with it. To get you up to speed. If you'd like to re-open the can of worms and explain why and what is wrong with it you'll probably have to write a lengthy post that's quite convincing as the detractors seem unconvinced.
That video actually perfectly highlights the Hillary versus Berner camp difference when it comes to voting. Berners think that their enthusiasm and volume should count for more than the more numerous Hillary camp votes. There was no tyranny. Clinton campers outnumbered the Berners, so the Clinton campers would win any voice vote easily. But the Berners were louder.
"In a voice vote, Lange approved adoption of a preliminary credentials report showing more Clinton than Sanders delegates. Immediate howls of protests from the Sanders contingent emerged, many of whom rushed the dais and started screaming insults and obscenities directly at Lange.
Although several videos from the event appear to have louder "nays" than "yeas," both preliminary and final delegate counts showed that Clinton supporters outnumbered Sanders supporters in the room."
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