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On May 20 2016 01:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2016 13:34 oBlade wrote:On May 19 2016 13:10 SK.Testie wrote:On May 19 2016 12:52 Adreme wrote:On May 19 2016 11:52 Mohdoo wrote:On May 19 2016 11:08 Adreme wrote:
Dont take polls you see right now too seriously. Right now you have Bernie supporters who are not at the moment willing to support Hilary but like when similar things were happening in 2008 once the concession happens and everyone hugs it out and Bernie is campaigning for her his supporters will come around and the numbers will be what they were 3 weeks ago.
Donald isnt campaigning well so much as the Democratic voters have not started unifying yet so when they do his numbers will plummet and the polls showing him winning are mostly just people still in the heat of primary fever. And this is why superdelegates immediately rallied behind Clinton: political parties benefit immensely by wrapping things up quick. Itll end with plenty of time and then when it does he will come out and say something like "I have been campaigning against Donald Trump for over 30 years. He is everything I have been fighting against and if you were ever truly my supporter and if you truly supported what we were fighting for then you can not in good faith vote for him" This will begin the unification and it will be fine. There are 6 months until the election after all and Hilary waited until the end to get out as well. Bernie will not stay in if he thinks it will honestly get Trump elected because he knows what that would mean for his cause. Ah yes. Bernies cause. "Fight the corrupt establishment!! Fight the big banks! Fight wall street! Fight lobbyists! Fight the Waltons! The politicians are all crooks!" "So we need bigger government, thus more bureaucrats, and here's Hillary the poster girl for the establishment who is friends with every shady interest in the world!! Saudi Arabia? np" Quite a cause. Meanwhile the guy on the other side self funded his campaign, maneuvered past a tonne of obstacles in the media or blew threw them, and has bent the establishment to his will. He's out doing the interviews daily, whereas Hillary hides from them. Trump is pretty socially liberal and most of his policies will be fairly liberal. And he's at least called out Saudi Arabia and a large number of other people that just always got a free pass. And then Bernies lies and identity politics will come into play as he campaigns for Hillary non-stop. "He's sexist!" Hires women in top positions all his life. This should be the literal negation of the argument. Tonnes of women who dated the man support and love the man while ripping the NYT on their BS hit job. "He's racist!" Same. Hiring all races and believing in meritocracy. "His rhetoric though!" Actually highlights a problem that a large % of the nation feels far more than the rest of the nation. + Show Spoiler +He's just going to pander with, "He's divisive!" meanwhile the left will always divide everyone into their own victimized group. It's appalling, yet appallingly effective. And then his fans will wave flags saying, "love wins!" while Hillary takes the throne. Don't forget he's been a celebrity for decades but the racism/sexism narrative didn't start until this presidential bid. That's so far from the truth that I'm not sure what makes you believe that. There was an entire book written about him in 1993 that touched on sexism/misogyny repeatedly; regardless of whether it's true, the narrative has been there for ages. The racism narrative was birthed (heh) during the birther movement, maybe, but his women issues are an old, old media plaything.
I think you're confusing sexism with sex. That was just a book about the personal life of a famous rich guy.
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The GOP-led House on Thursday morning voted to bar the Confederate battle flag from flying over some federal graveyards, with Speaker Paul Ryan and his top lieutenants joining Democrats to approve the measure despite most Republicans voting against it.
Lawmakers voted 265-159 on a Democratic amendment offered by Rep. Jared Huffman (D-Calif.) that would bar the Civil War symbol from being flown at cemeteries run by the Department of Veterans Affairs. It was the first time the House has cast a ballot on the divisive issue.
A similar Democratic amendment last year — offered after the racially charged shooting of Black churchgoers in Charleston, S.C. — tanked an entire appropriations bill after Southern Republicans objected to the measure. Back then, GOP leaders under Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) decided to pull the entire Interior Department spending bill rather than litigating the matter in a roll call vote that could have been used by Democrats to accuse the GOP of supporting a racially divisive symbol.
Many of those same Southern Republicans opposed the amendment Thursday. But all three top Republicans, including Ryan, Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy and Whip Steve Scalise voted for the Democratic amendment. Ryan's willingness to even bring the amendment up for a vote marked a sharp break with past leadership strategy, and suggests he plans to stick by his commitment to taking tough votes on spending bills where the rules give members wide latitude to offer amendments.
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On May 20 2016 01:52 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 01:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:On May 19 2016 13:34 oBlade wrote:On May 19 2016 13:10 SK.Testie wrote:On May 19 2016 12:52 Adreme wrote:On May 19 2016 11:52 Mohdoo wrote:On May 19 2016 11:08 Adreme wrote:
Dont take polls you see right now too seriously. Right now you have Bernie supporters who are not at the moment willing to support Hilary but like when similar things were happening in 2008 once the concession happens and everyone hugs it out and Bernie is campaigning for her his supporters will come around and the numbers will be what they were 3 weeks ago.
Donald isnt campaigning well so much as the Democratic voters have not started unifying yet so when they do his numbers will plummet and the polls showing him winning are mostly just people still in the heat of primary fever. And this is why superdelegates immediately rallied behind Clinton: political parties benefit immensely by wrapping things up quick. Itll end with plenty of time and then when it does he will come out and say something like "I have been campaigning against Donald Trump for over 30 years. He is everything I have been fighting against and if you were ever truly my supporter and if you truly supported what we were fighting for then you can not in good faith vote for him" This will begin the unification and it will be fine. There are 6 months until the election after all and Hilary waited until the end to get out as well. Bernie will not stay in if he thinks it will honestly get Trump elected because he knows what that would mean for his cause. Ah yes. Bernies cause. "Fight the corrupt establishment!! Fight the big banks! Fight wall street! Fight lobbyists! Fight the Waltons! The politicians are all crooks!" "So we need bigger government, thus more bureaucrats, and here's Hillary the poster girl for the establishment who is friends with every shady interest in the world!! Saudi Arabia? np" Quite a cause. Meanwhile the guy on the other side self funded his campaign, maneuvered past a tonne of obstacles in the media or blew threw them, and has bent the establishment to his will. He's out doing the interviews daily, whereas Hillary hides from them. Trump is pretty socially liberal and most of his policies will be fairly liberal. And he's at least called out Saudi Arabia and a large number of other people that just always got a free pass. And then Bernies lies and identity politics will come into play as he campaigns for Hillary non-stop. "He's sexist!" Hires women in top positions all his life. This should be the literal negation of the argument. Tonnes of women who dated the man support and love the man while ripping the NYT on their BS hit job. "He's racist!" Same. Hiring all races and believing in meritocracy. "His rhetoric though!" Actually highlights a problem that a large % of the nation feels far more than the rest of the nation. + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZXbG5gvoC0 He's just going to pander with, "He's divisive!" meanwhile the left will always divide everyone into their own victimized group. It's appalling, yet appallingly effective. And then his fans will wave flags saying, "love wins!" while Hillary takes the throne. Don't forget he's been a celebrity for decades but the racism/sexism narrative didn't start until this presidential bid. That's so far from the truth that I'm not sure what makes you believe that. There was an entire book written about him in 1993 that touched on sexism/misogyny repeatedly; regardless of whether it's true, the narrative has been there for ages. The racism narrative was birthed (heh) during the birther movement, maybe, but his women issues are an old, old media plaything. I think you're confusing sexism with sex. That was just a book about the personal life of a famous rich guy.
What would be sufficient evidence of sexism for you to accept Trump is sexist? Please provide several options, as we may not have an example that exactly hits all the points you are looking for.
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On May 20 2016 00:58 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2016 23:27 ZasZ. wrote:
I love that the Trumpanzees are still blaring about how he is self-funding his campaign, which is blatantly false. Just take a look at the big ol' DONATE button (in two places!) on his webpage or the fact that he is already maneuvering to use RNC funds to pay back the loans he took in the primary. After all is said and done, The Donald will have spent absolutely zero dollars of his own money on this presidential campaign. Self-funded, indeed. Who do you think would have paid for his campaign if he hadn't won?
Given the fever with which his supporters idolize him, probably from those two big DONATE buttons on his website. You are right, if he had lost the primary he probably would have had to put up at least some of his own money. But that didn't happen, and to call him self-funded like he is sacrificing so much for this country is a joke.
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sad news. Morley Safer is dead.
https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/television/2016/05/19/morley-safer-of-60-minutes-dies-at-84.html
"Safer did 919 stories in his 46 years on “60 Minutes,” from his first in 1970 about U.S. Sky Marshals to his last this March, a profile of Danish architect Bjarke Ingels."
"to one of his favourite pieces, which, in 1983, resulted in the release from prison of Lenell Geter, an engineer wrongly convicted of a $50 holdup at a fast food restaurant who had been sentenced to a life term."
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On May 20 2016 02:23 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 00:58 oBlade wrote:On May 19 2016 23:27 ZasZ. wrote:
I love that the Trumpanzees are still blaring about how he is self-funding his campaign, which is blatantly false. Just take a look at the big ol' DONATE button (in two places!) on his webpage or the fact that he is already maneuvering to use RNC funds to pay back the loans he took in the primary. After all is said and done, The Donald will have spent absolutely zero dollars of his own money on this presidential campaign. Self-funded, indeed. Who do you think would have paid for his campaign if he hadn't won? Given the fever with which his supporters idolize him, probably from those two big DONATE buttons on his website. You are right, if he had lost the primary he probably would have had to put up at least some of his own money. But that didn't happen, and to call him self-funded like he is sacrificing so much for this country is a joke.
You're focusing on the size of the buttons, but that doesn't tell you how much money people have donated. Most of his campaign was self-funded (about 3/4), meaning even if he gets RNC money later to pay off his financing, if he had lost he would have been stuck tens of millions. That's the risk.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/candidate.php?id=N00023864
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No, it wasn't self founded.
A company of his (diffrent entity), gave him a loan.
That is NOT self funding.
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Campaigns almost always default on those kinds of loans. Its done that way because the tax code basically tells people its the best way to structure such transactions.
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unless you're carly fiorina and you pay yourself back before you pay back all the vendors and employees
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On May 20 2016 01:52 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 01:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:On May 19 2016 13:34 oBlade wrote:On May 19 2016 13:10 SK.Testie wrote:On May 19 2016 12:52 Adreme wrote:On May 19 2016 11:52 Mohdoo wrote:On May 19 2016 11:08 Adreme wrote:
Dont take polls you see right now too seriously. Right now you have Bernie supporters who are not at the moment willing to support Hilary but like when similar things were happening in 2008 once the concession happens and everyone hugs it out and Bernie is campaigning for her his supporters will come around and the numbers will be what they were 3 weeks ago.
Donald isnt campaigning well so much as the Democratic voters have not started unifying yet so when they do his numbers will plummet and the polls showing him winning are mostly just people still in the heat of primary fever. And this is why superdelegates immediately rallied behind Clinton: political parties benefit immensely by wrapping things up quick. Itll end with plenty of time and then when it does he will come out and say something like "I have been campaigning against Donald Trump for over 30 years. He is everything I have been fighting against and if you were ever truly my supporter and if you truly supported what we were fighting for then you can not in good faith vote for him" This will begin the unification and it will be fine. There are 6 months until the election after all and Hilary waited until the end to get out as well. Bernie will not stay in if he thinks it will honestly get Trump elected because he knows what that would mean for his cause. Ah yes. Bernies cause. "Fight the corrupt establishment!! Fight the big banks! Fight wall street! Fight lobbyists! Fight the Waltons! The politicians are all crooks!" "So we need bigger government, thus more bureaucrats, and here's Hillary the poster girl for the establishment who is friends with every shady interest in the world!! Saudi Arabia? np" Quite a cause. Meanwhile the guy on the other side self funded his campaign, maneuvered past a tonne of obstacles in the media or blew threw them, and has bent the establishment to his will. He's out doing the interviews daily, whereas Hillary hides from them. Trump is pretty socially liberal and most of his policies will be fairly liberal. And he's at least called out Saudi Arabia and a large number of other people that just always got a free pass. And then Bernies lies and identity politics will come into play as he campaigns for Hillary non-stop. "He's sexist!" Hires women in top positions all his life. This should be the literal negation of the argument. Tonnes of women who dated the man support and love the man while ripping the NYT on their BS hit job. "He's racist!" Same. Hiring all races and believing in meritocracy. "His rhetoric though!" Actually highlights a problem that a large % of the nation feels far more than the rest of the nation. + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZXbG5gvoC0 He's just going to pander with, "He's divisive!" meanwhile the left will always divide everyone into their own victimized group. It's appalling, yet appallingly effective. And then his fans will wave flags saying, "love wins!" while Hillary takes the throne. Don't forget he's been a celebrity for decades but the racism/sexism narrative didn't start until this presidential bid. That's so far from the truth that I'm not sure what makes you believe that. There was an entire book written about him in 1993 that touched on sexism/misogyny repeatedly; regardless of whether it's true, the narrative has been there for ages. The racism narrative was birthed (heh) during the birther movement, maybe, but his women issues are an old, old media plaything. I think you're confusing sexism with sex. That was just a book about the personal life of a famous rich guy.
There's literally (eh heh) passages in the book about him treating women like trash, including his wife. That's kind of misogyny. It's not exactly fantastically well documented, nor am I positive it's all true, but it's definitely there in a book all about the man decades before you're saying people thought he was a sexist or misogynist. I have a feeling you don't even know what the book was about, though, or you wouldn't think him being branding a sexist-misogynist was a "new" thing.
(For reference: It's Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald J Trump)
The book got pretty wide media coverage as book reviews as well, gossipy as it was.
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On May 20 2016 01:59 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 01:52 oBlade wrote:On May 20 2016 01:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:On May 19 2016 13:34 oBlade wrote:On May 19 2016 13:10 SK.Testie wrote:On May 19 2016 12:52 Adreme wrote:On May 19 2016 11:52 Mohdoo wrote:On May 19 2016 11:08 Adreme wrote:
Dont take polls you see right now too seriously. Right now you have Bernie supporters who are not at the moment willing to support Hilary but like when similar things were happening in 2008 once the concession happens and everyone hugs it out and Bernie is campaigning for her his supporters will come around and the numbers will be what they were 3 weeks ago.
Donald isnt campaigning well so much as the Democratic voters have not started unifying yet so when they do his numbers will plummet and the polls showing him winning are mostly just people still in the heat of primary fever. And this is why superdelegates immediately rallied behind Clinton: political parties benefit immensely by wrapping things up quick. Itll end with plenty of time and then when it does he will come out and say something like "I have been campaigning against Donald Trump for over 30 years. He is everything I have been fighting against and if you were ever truly my supporter and if you truly supported what we were fighting for then you can not in good faith vote for him" This will begin the unification and it will be fine. There are 6 months until the election after all and Hilary waited until the end to get out as well. Bernie will not stay in if he thinks it will honestly get Trump elected because he knows what that would mean for his cause. Ah yes. Bernies cause. "Fight the corrupt establishment!! Fight the big banks! Fight wall street! Fight lobbyists! Fight the Waltons! The politicians are all crooks!" "So we need bigger government, thus more bureaucrats, and here's Hillary the poster girl for the establishment who is friends with every shady interest in the world!! Saudi Arabia? np" Quite a cause. Meanwhile the guy on the other side self funded his campaign, maneuvered past a tonne of obstacles in the media or blew threw them, and has bent the establishment to his will. He's out doing the interviews daily, whereas Hillary hides from them. Trump is pretty socially liberal and most of his policies will be fairly liberal. And he's at least called out Saudi Arabia and a large number of other people that just always got a free pass. And then Bernies lies and identity politics will come into play as he campaigns for Hillary non-stop. "He's sexist!" Hires women in top positions all his life. This should be the literal negation of the argument. Tonnes of women who dated the man support and love the man while ripping the NYT on their BS hit job. "He's racist!" Same. Hiring all races and believing in meritocracy. "His rhetoric though!" Actually highlights a problem that a large % of the nation feels far more than the rest of the nation. + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZXbG5gvoC0 He's just going to pander with, "He's divisive!" meanwhile the left will always divide everyone into their own victimized group. It's appalling, yet appallingly effective. And then his fans will wave flags saying, "love wins!" while Hillary takes the throne. Don't forget he's been a celebrity for decades but the racism/sexism narrative didn't start until this presidential bid. That's so far from the truth that I'm not sure what makes you believe that. There was an entire book written about him in 1993 that touched on sexism/misogyny repeatedly; regardless of whether it's true, the narrative has been there for ages. The racism narrative was birthed (heh) during the birther movement, maybe, but his women issues are an old, old media plaything. I think you're confusing sexism with sex. That was just a book about the personal life of a famous rich guy. What would be sufficient evidence of sexism for you to accept Trump is sexist? Please provide several options, as we may not have an example that exactly hits all the points you are looking for.
Certainly not off-hand remarks and jokes to bait the media and the left in general to complaint and look stupid.
True sexism implies stuff like having a great person for a job position and not hiring them simply because they are a woman.
Or sexual abuse like Clinton's husband? :D
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On May 20 2016 03:22 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 01:59 Plansix wrote:On May 20 2016 01:52 oBlade wrote:On May 20 2016 01:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:On May 19 2016 13:34 oBlade wrote:On May 19 2016 13:10 SK.Testie wrote:On May 19 2016 12:52 Adreme wrote:On May 19 2016 11:52 Mohdoo wrote:On May 19 2016 11:08 Adreme wrote:
Dont take polls you see right now too seriously. Right now you have Bernie supporters who are not at the moment willing to support Hilary but like when similar things were happening in 2008 once the concession happens and everyone hugs it out and Bernie is campaigning for her his supporters will come around and the numbers will be what they were 3 weeks ago.
Donald isnt campaigning well so much as the Democratic voters have not started unifying yet so when they do his numbers will plummet and the polls showing him winning are mostly just people still in the heat of primary fever. And this is why superdelegates immediately rallied behind Clinton: political parties benefit immensely by wrapping things up quick. Itll end with plenty of time and then when it does he will come out and say something like "I have been campaigning against Donald Trump for over 30 years. He is everything I have been fighting against and if you were ever truly my supporter and if you truly supported what we were fighting for then you can not in good faith vote for him" This will begin the unification and it will be fine. There are 6 months until the election after all and Hilary waited until the end to get out as well. Bernie will not stay in if he thinks it will honestly get Trump elected because he knows what that would mean for his cause. Ah yes. Bernies cause. "Fight the corrupt establishment!! Fight the big banks! Fight wall street! Fight lobbyists! Fight the Waltons! The politicians are all crooks!" "So we need bigger government, thus more bureaucrats, and here's Hillary the poster girl for the establishment who is friends with every shady interest in the world!! Saudi Arabia? np" Quite a cause. Meanwhile the guy on the other side self funded his campaign, maneuvered past a tonne of obstacles in the media or blew threw them, and has bent the establishment to his will. He's out doing the interviews daily, whereas Hillary hides from them. Trump is pretty socially liberal and most of his policies will be fairly liberal. And he's at least called out Saudi Arabia and a large number of other people that just always got a free pass. And then Bernies lies and identity politics will come into play as he campaigns for Hillary non-stop. "He's sexist!" Hires women in top positions all his life. This should be the literal negation of the argument. Tonnes of women who dated the man support and love the man while ripping the NYT on their BS hit job. "He's racist!" Same. Hiring all races and believing in meritocracy. "His rhetoric though!" Actually highlights a problem that a large % of the nation feels far more than the rest of the nation. + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZXbG5gvoC0 He's just going to pander with, "He's divisive!" meanwhile the left will always divide everyone into their own victimized group. It's appalling, yet appallingly effective. And then his fans will wave flags saying, "love wins!" while Hillary takes the throne. Don't forget he's been a celebrity for decades but the racism/sexism narrative didn't start until this presidential bid. That's so far from the truth that I'm not sure what makes you believe that. There was an entire book written about him in 1993 that touched on sexism/misogyny repeatedly; regardless of whether it's true, the narrative has been there for ages. The racism narrative was birthed (heh) during the birther movement, maybe, but his women issues are an old, old media plaything. I think you're confusing sexism with sex. That was just a book about the personal life of a famous rich guy. What would be sufficient evidence of sexism for you to accept Trump is sexist? Please provide several options, as we may not have an example that exactly hits all the points you are looking for. Certainly not off-hand remarks and jokes to bait the media and the left in general to complaint and look stupid. True sexism implies stuff like having a great person for a job position and not hiring them simply because they are a woman.
it isn't even about wether or not he's a sexist. The guy said Trump being CALLED (wether true or not) sexist etc is all new and only started because of the election.
Then someone pointed out that that's wrong.
Wether the statements about his personality are correct or not wasn't even discussed.
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Oh, the Sexismus experts have arrived...
Hint: discrimination at the workplace is mostly subtile, you won't find anyone with a brain say they didnt hire cause race/gender/orientation.
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On May 20 2016 03:27 Velr wrote:
Oh, the Sexismus experts have arrived...
Hint: discrimination at the workplace is mostly subtile, you won't find anyone with a brain way they didnt hire cause race/gender/orientation.
Remember, for sexism to exist, there needs to be overwhelming evidence that it happens and all other options must be eliminated. Even if a man clearly states that he dislikes women and thinks they are inferior, we must prove that he was being serious and believes that.
This ever moving goal post is to assure that no false claims of sexism ever happen, because that would be a real crime.
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Lol @ the line that because trump promoted some women he's not sexist. It's like saying that someone with black friends can't be racist. Are you actually a Trump parrot? Him promoting women does not negate the other things he's done (and no, him insulting Fiorina and other's looks recently is not an isolated thing that's part of a genius ploy to manipulate the media. It's his longstanding nature).
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On May 20 2016 03:03 Velr wrote:
No, it wasn't self founded.
A company of his (diffrent entity), gave him a loan.
That is NOT self funding.
Yes, he loaned his campaign money from his own companies - that's self-funding.
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On May 20 2016 03:27 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 03:22 GoTuNk! wrote:On May 20 2016 01:59 Plansix wrote:On May 20 2016 01:52 oBlade wrote:On May 20 2016 01:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:On May 19 2016 13:34 oBlade wrote:On May 19 2016 13:10 SK.Testie wrote:On May 19 2016 12:52 Adreme wrote:On May 19 2016 11:52 Mohdoo wrote:On May 19 2016 11:08 Adreme wrote:
Dont take polls you see right now too seriously. Right now you have Bernie supporters who are not at the moment willing to support Hilary but like when similar things were happening in 2008 once the concession happens and everyone hugs it out and Bernie is campaigning for her his supporters will come around and the numbers will be what they were 3 weeks ago.
Donald isnt campaigning well so much as the Democratic voters have not started unifying yet so when they do his numbers will plummet and the polls showing him winning are mostly just people still in the heat of primary fever. And this is why superdelegates immediately rallied behind Clinton: political parties benefit immensely by wrapping things up quick. Itll end with plenty of time and then when it does he will come out and say something like "I have been campaigning against Donald Trump for over 30 years. He is everything I have been fighting against and if you were ever truly my supporter and if you truly supported what we were fighting for then you can not in good faith vote for him" This will begin the unification and it will be fine. There are 6 months until the election after all and Hilary waited until the end to get out as well. Bernie will not stay in if he thinks it will honestly get Trump elected because he knows what that would mean for his cause. Ah yes. Bernies cause. "Fight the corrupt establishment!! Fight the big banks! Fight wall street! Fight lobbyists! Fight the Waltons! The politicians are all crooks!" "So we need bigger government, thus more bureaucrats, and here's Hillary the poster girl for the establishment who is friends with every shady interest in the world!! Saudi Arabia? np" Quite a cause. Meanwhile the guy on the other side self funded his campaign, maneuvered past a tonne of obstacles in the media or blew threw them, and has bent the establishment to his will. He's out doing the interviews daily, whereas Hillary hides from them. Trump is pretty socially liberal and most of his policies will be fairly liberal. And he's at least called out Saudi Arabia and a large number of other people that just always got a free pass. And then Bernies lies and identity politics will come into play as he campaigns for Hillary non-stop. "He's sexist!" Hires women in top positions all his life. This should be the literal negation of the argument. Tonnes of women who dated the man support and love the man while ripping the NYT on their BS hit job. "He's racist!" Same. Hiring all races and believing in meritocracy. "His rhetoric though!" Actually highlights a problem that a large % of the nation feels far more than the rest of the nation. + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZXbG5gvoC0 He's just going to pander with, "He's divisive!" meanwhile the left will always divide everyone into their own victimized group. It's appalling, yet appallingly effective. And then his fans will wave flags saying, "love wins!" while Hillary takes the throne. Don't forget he's been a celebrity for decades but the racism/sexism narrative didn't start until this presidential bid. That's so far from the truth that I'm not sure what makes you believe that. There was an entire book written about him in 1993 that touched on sexism/misogyny repeatedly; regardless of whether it's true, the narrative has been there for ages. The racism narrative was birthed (heh) during the birther movement, maybe, but his women issues are an old, old media plaything. I think you're confusing sexism with sex. That was just a book about the personal life of a famous rich guy. What would be sufficient evidence of sexism for you to accept Trump is sexist? Please provide several options, as we may not have an example that exactly hits all the points you are looking for. Certainly not off-hand remarks and jokes to bait the media and the left in general to complaint and look stupid. True sexism implies stuff like having a great person for a job position and not hiring them simply because they are a woman. it isn't even about wether or not he's a sexist. The guy said Trump being CALLED (wether true or not) sexist etc is all new and only started because of the election. Then someone pointed out that that's wrong. Wether the statements about his personality are correct or not wasn't even discussed.
The racism/sexism narrative did basically start because of the election, or why has NBC been employing this enormous bigot in the open for so long? The tabloid book being linked probably has sordid personal details but it doesn't look like its thesis was "look at this total racist and sexist." It doesn't seem like people were saying that in 1993.
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On May 20 2016 03:51 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 03:27 Toadesstern wrote:On May 20 2016 03:22 GoTuNk! wrote:On May 20 2016 01:59 Plansix wrote:On May 20 2016 01:52 oBlade wrote:On May 20 2016 01:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:On May 19 2016 13:34 oBlade wrote:On May 19 2016 13:10 SK.Testie wrote:On May 19 2016 12:52 Adreme wrote:On May 19 2016 11:52 Mohdoo wrote:
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And this is why superdelegates immediately rallied behind Clinton: political parties benefit immensely by wrapping things up quick. Itll end with plenty of time and then when it does he will come out and say something like "I have been campaigning against Donald Trump for over 30 years. He is everything I have been fighting against and if you were ever truly my supporter and if you truly supported what we were fighting for then you can not in good faith vote for him" This will begin the unification and it will be fine. There are 6 months until the election after all and Hilary waited until the end to get out as well. Bernie will not stay in if he thinks it will honestly get Trump elected because he knows what that would mean for his cause. Ah yes. Bernies cause. "Fight the corrupt establishment!! Fight the big banks! Fight wall street! Fight lobbyists! Fight the Waltons! The politicians are all crooks!" "So we need bigger government, thus more bureaucrats, and here's Hillary the poster girl for the establishment who is friends with every shady interest in the world!! Saudi Arabia? np" Quite a cause. Meanwhile the guy on the other side self funded his campaign, maneuvered past a tonne of obstacles in the media or blew threw them, and has bent the establishment to his will. He's out doing the interviews daily, whereas Hillary hides from them. Trump is pretty socially liberal and most of his policies will be fairly liberal. And he's at least called out Saudi Arabia and a large number of other people that just always got a free pass. And then Bernies lies and identity politics will come into play as he campaigns for Hillary non-stop. "He's sexist!" Hires women in top positions all his life. This should be the literal negation of the argument. Tonnes of women who dated the man support and love the man while ripping the NYT on their BS hit job. "He's racist!" Same. Hiring all races and believing in meritocracy. "His rhetoric though!" Actually highlights a problem that a large % of the nation feels far more than the rest of the nation. + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZXbG5gvoC0 He's just going to pander with, "He's divisive!" meanwhile the left will always divide everyone into their own victimized group. It's appalling, yet appallingly effective. And then his fans will wave flags saying, "love wins!" while Hillary takes the throne. Don't forget he's been a celebrity for decades but the racism/sexism narrative didn't start until this presidential bid. That's so far from the truth that I'm not sure what makes you believe that. There was an entire book written about him in 1993 that touched on sexism/misogyny repeatedly; regardless of whether it's true, the narrative has been there for ages. The racism narrative was birthed (heh) during the birther movement, maybe, but his women issues are an old, old media plaything. I think you're confusing sexism with sex. That was just a book about the personal life of a famous rich guy. What would be sufficient evidence of sexism for you to accept Trump is sexist? Please provide several options, as we may not have an example that exactly hits all the points you are looking for. Certainly not off-hand remarks and jokes to bait the media and the left in general to complaint and look stupid. True sexism implies stuff like having a great person for a job position and not hiring them simply because they are a woman. it isn't even about wether or not he's a sexist. The guy said Trump being CALLED (wether true or not) sexist etc is all new and only started because of the election. Then someone pointed out that that's wrong. Wether the statements about his personality are correct or not wasn't even discussed. The racism/sexism narrative did basically start because of the election
Again, false.
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On May 20 2016 03:53 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 03:51 oBlade wrote:On May 20 2016 03:27 Toadesstern wrote:On May 20 2016 03:22 GoTuNk! wrote:On May 20 2016 01:59 Plansix wrote:On May 20 2016 01:52 oBlade wrote:On May 20 2016 01:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:On May 19 2016 13:34 oBlade wrote:On May 19 2016 13:10 SK.Testie wrote:On May 19 2016 12:52 Adreme wrote:
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Itll end with plenty of time and then when it does he will come out and say something like "I have been campaigning against Donald Trump for over 30 years. He is everything I have been fighting against and if you were ever truly my supporter and if you truly supported what we were fighting for then you can not in good faith vote for him" This will begin the unification and it will be fine. There are 6 months until the election after all and Hilary waited until the end to get out as well. Bernie will not stay in if he thinks it will honestly get Trump elected because he knows what that would mean for his cause. Ah yes. Bernies cause. "Fight the corrupt establishment!! Fight the big banks! Fight wall street! Fight lobbyists! Fight the Waltons! The politicians are all crooks!" "So we need bigger government, thus more bureaucrats, and here's Hillary the poster girl for the establishment who is friends with every shady interest in the world!! Saudi Arabia? np" Quite a cause. Meanwhile the guy on the other side self funded his campaign, maneuvered past a tonne of obstacles in the media or blew threw them, and has bent the establishment to his will. He's out doing the interviews daily, whereas Hillary hides from them. Trump is pretty socially liberal and most of his policies will be fairly liberal. And he's at least called out Saudi Arabia and a large number of other people that just always got a free pass. And then Bernies lies and identity politics will come into play as he campaigns for Hillary non-stop. "He's sexist!" Hires women in top positions all his life. This should be the literal negation of the argument. Tonnes of women who dated the man support and love the man while ripping the NYT on their BS hit job. "He's racist!" Same. Hiring all races and believing in meritocracy. "His rhetoric though!" Actually highlights a problem that a large % of the nation feels far more than the rest of the nation. + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZXbG5gvoC0 He's just going to pander with, "He's divisive!" meanwhile the left will always divide everyone into their own victimized group. It's appalling, yet appallingly effective. And then his fans will wave flags saying, "love wins!" while Hillary takes the throne. Don't forget he's been a celebrity for decades but the racism/sexism narrative didn't start until this presidential bid. That's so far from the truth that I'm not sure what makes you believe that. There was an entire book written about him in 1993 that touched on sexism/misogyny repeatedly; regardless of whether it's true, the narrative has been there for ages. The racism narrative was birthed (heh) during the birther movement, maybe, but his women issues are an old, old media plaything. I think you're confusing sexism with sex. That was just a book about the personal life of a famous rich guy. What would be sufficient evidence of sexism for you to accept Trump is sexist? Please provide several options, as we may not have an example that exactly hits all the points you are looking for. Certainly not off-hand remarks and jokes to bait the media and the left in general to complaint and look stupid. True sexism implies stuff like having a great person for a job position and not hiring them simply because they are a woman. it isn't even about wether or not he's a sexist. The guy said Trump being CALLED (wether true or not) sexist etc is all new and only started because of the election. Then someone pointed out that that's wrong. Wether the statements about his personality are correct or not wasn't even discussed. The racism/sexism narrative did basically start because of the election Again, false.
That huffington post source gots me convinced.
The Clinton's racist history is far more frightening.
I can post articles too.
www.thenation.com
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Nah suppressing wages for Haitians was totally a legit thing, a cold yet smart business move. Hillary just took part in it, she wasn't the sole architect so it's fine.
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-suppressed-haitis-minimum-wage/
This is not a candidate that has the mass of peoples well being in mind. 61c a day was not feasible. Had to stay at 31c.
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