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trulojucreathrma.com
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
United States327 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-11 23:57:48
March 11 2016 23:35 GMT
#65601
On March 12 2016 07:14 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2016 06:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Clinton has managed to piss even her supporters off with that Nancy Reagan tribute speech and AIDS.


She says she misspoke... That sounds like a load.

+ Show Spoiler +


That's a long pronounced point she's making, not accidentally saying one name instead of another or something. She believed what she said, I think that is pretty clear.



Maybe she knows something we don't. Did Reagan have HIV/AIDS?



We have been praising Reagan for decades on issues he actually opposed. Like how we all still claim he ended the cold war, when in fact we know now he dragged it out by scaring the Soviets, playing into the hard of the soviet hardliners.


So we have to give Clinton a break here as well, hence we are hypocrites.

Also, why are we praising his wife so much? He was president. And he was a president that didn't even know what his staff were deciding to do in his name. He didn't even talk with Nancy because he didn't know what they would decide they would have him do.

If she had passed away outside of campaign time, she would get 2% of the attention she gets now.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-11 23:37:01
March 11 2016 23:36 GMT
#65602
On March 12 2016 08:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Reuters reported Friday that President Barack Obama has selected three top candidates to replace the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.

According to Reuters, Obama is considering Paul Watford, Sri Srinivasan and Merrick Garland.

The Republican leadership in the Senate has already said it will not hold hearings on an Obama pick.


Source

Jane Kelly sounded like a nice potential pick to me, although I admit I do not know her stance on several issues. I hope he doesn't pick Garland, since he's already 63. I probably like Paul Watford best among those three choices, from what I'm reading. I don't think the Republicans will budge, though.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 11 2016 23:43 GMT
#65603
can you imagine sanders in the role of the u.s. presidency faced with these hard choices? guy doesnt eveen recognize the modern global economy how would he be able to leverage our strength to effect the long game with china?

hillary is willing to do what it takes to defend the liberal world order sanders doesnt even ackowledge it
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 11 2016 23:44 GMT
#65604
nancy reagan was a bitch. let's move on with that
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
trulojucreathrma.com
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
United States327 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-11 23:59:49
March 11 2016 23:55 GMT
#65605
On March 12 2016 08:43 oneofthem wrote:
[sic] can you imagine sanders in the role of the u.s. presidency[sic] faced with these hard choices? guy doesnt[sic] eveen[sic] recognize the modern global economy [sic] how would he be able to leverage our strength to effect[sic] the long game with china[sic]?

hillary[sic] is willing to do what it takes to defend the liberal world order [sic] sanders doesnt[sic] even ackowledge[sic] it



lol You are actually scared enough Sanders actually has a shot to force yourself to say stupid stuff like this?


Calm down. He doesn't have any chance.

oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 12 2016 00:16 GMT
#65606
you can already see it in some of these moves, but the obama approach is to foster growth for classic enemies, and through the threads of trade bind them.

china is just practicing rather low level thinking with their reptilian moves. it's not like the u.s. wants to fight china, just nudge its actions.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
March 12 2016 00:19 GMT
#65607
On March 12 2016 08:19 Sent. wrote:
Would be really funny if people here started arguing about what Clinton said in the same way they argued about Trump's "Islam hates us"


What's there to say about something someone apologized for saying?
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
March 12 2016 00:21 GMT
#65608
On March 12 2016 08:35 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2016 07:14 GreenHorizons wrote:
On March 12 2016 06:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Clinton has managed to piss even her supporters off with that Nancy Reagan tribute speech and AIDS.


She says she misspoke... That sounds like a load.

+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd_pcYyCejk


That's a long pronounced point she's making, not accidentally saying one name instead of another or something. She believed what she said, I think that is pretty clear.



Maybe she knows something we don't. Did Reagan have HIV/AIDS?



We have been praising Reagan for decades on issues he actually opposed. Like how we all still claim he ended the cold war, when in fact we know now he dragged it out by scaring the Soviets, playing into the hard of the soviet hardliners.


So we have to give Clinton a break here as well, hence we are hypocrites.

Also, why are we praising his wife so much? He was president. And he was a president that didn't even know what his staff were deciding to do in his name. He didn't even talk with Nancy because he didn't know what they would decide they would have him do.

If she had passed away outside of campaign time, she would get 2% of the attention she gets now.


Wife of popular figure dying is always a big deal in the US. Had it been the wife of some other president, maybe, but Reagan is a big figurehead that is pointed to by damn near everyone for legit/non-legit reasons.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 12 2016 00:26 GMT
#65609
On March 12 2016 08:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Reuters reported Friday that President Barack Obama has selected three top candidates to replace the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.

According to Reuters, Obama is considering Paul Watford, Sri Srinivasan and Merrick Garland.

The Republican leadership in the Senate has already said it will not hold hearings on an Obama pick.


Source

And if McConnell follows through with the talk, I might have something nice to say about him when he retires.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9251 Posts
March 12 2016 00:28 GMT
#65610
On March 12 2016 09:19 Naracs_Duc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2016 08:19 Sent. wrote:
Would be really funny if people here started arguing about what Clinton said in the same way they argued about Trump's "Islam hates us"


What's there to say about something someone apologized for saying?


I misunderstood the whole thing and didn't notice she apologized already, sorry
You're now breathing manually
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5771 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-12 00:40:20
March 12 2016 00:35 GMT
#65611
So it looks like Ben Carson would probably be secretary of education for Trump.

To be clearer I'm saying that's probably better than having him at HHS or as VP which I was afraid of. It shouldn't be possible to do too much damage in this job.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18131 Posts
March 12 2016 00:38 GMT
#65612
On March 12 2016 09:35 oBlade wrote:
So it looks like Ben Carson would probably be secretary of education for Trump.

Yay. We'll teach children the real function of pyramids!
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
March 12 2016 00:39 GMT
#65613
On March 12 2016 09:28 Sent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2016 09:19 Naracs_Duc wrote:
On March 12 2016 08:19 Sent. wrote:
Would be really funny if people here started arguing about what Clinton said in the same way they argued about Trump's "Islam hates us"


What's there to say about something someone apologized for saying?


I misunderstood the whole thing and didn't notice she apologized already, sorry


In fairness to you--had she not apologized the shit storm would be massive.
trulojucreathrma.com
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
United States327 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-12 00:45:08
March 12 2016 00:44 GMT
#65614
Ben Carson is amazing. By all accounts, it seems he was an amazing surgeon.

But he also proved to be a liar and delusional. It is amazing.

In a way as amazing as Trump. He was boring in the campaigns, sure, because he was 'low energy'.

Pyramids were grain silo's? At least when they are mazes that hide secrets of alien civilizations; we haven't found the secret chamber.
At least we know they aren't hollow.


Does Trump really make him secretary? Does he really really want to? Maybe they have a personal connection, you never now. But right now, Trump needs him now because of the delegates.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-12 01:01:20
March 12 2016 00:44 GMT
#65615
On March 12 2016 05:34 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As foreign policy is my pet subject, and what I've studied extensively, there is a great deal of truth to past criticisms of US foreign policy, most notably through the Cold War era. Though it should be noted many of the underlying problems we're dealing today in the Middle East, Maghreb, and Africa have much more to do with the aftermaths of decolonization and European imperialism as to any form of American bellicosity, for instance.

Really, one of the chief foreign policy errors of the United States in the past 70 years was a failure to adhere to our past anti-imperialist policies in favor of indigenous communities in the face of "communism". The long history of conflicts in Indochina and Vietnam for instance was Eisenhower's failure to recognize the anti-imperialist and, initially, pro-American outlook of Ho Chi Minh and the Vietnamese communists, and instead siding with the French as opposed to the Vietnamese. From that point onwards, we had essentially fashioned ourselves as the defenders of the old, European empires and spheres of influences, and set indigenous communist and socialist movements as the primary mover for "liberation", which of course we had to contain, even at the expense of liberal democracies abroad. The failure to differentiate between Soviet-controlled movements and more explicitly anti-imperial "socialist" or other liberation movements is the hallmark of our Cold War policies in Guatemala, Chile, Iran, Argentina, and Vietnam, to name a few.
i do take every opportuunity to bash the commies but only in conversation with leftists who seem to not understand the tremendous human cost associated with these regimes, but it's true that the singleminded focus on communism as the trait that taints a regime forever was debilitating and constraining, particularly in situations where efforts to reign in or reform existing regimes rather than defending them militarily would have yielded tremendous returns.

the overriding strategic preoccupation was the international revolutionary prerogatives of the ussr. sure, you have these vietcongs who were decent anti-imperialist nationalists against the shitty fucks in the south, but they were also receiving ussr support and would be drawn into that sphere. the overall focus on the soviets and the fear and uncertainty with 'tolerating' communism creating a slippery slope was certainly understandable (and my past remarks never really went past this line), but it was also as you say a mistake.

my point was that you should really also blame the soviet's aggressive expansion/revolutionary posture for creating pressure that the u.s. overreacted to.


as far as american foreign policy, the greatest problem of foreign policy is the unfortunate existence of shitty extractive foreign states. good thing there is also space to work directly with the society and people, via trade and good development opportunities offered by the more open and interconnected world.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
March 12 2016 00:52 GMT
#65616
On March 12 2016 09:38 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2016 09:35 oBlade wrote:
So it looks like Ben Carson would probably be secretary of education for Trump.

Yay. We'll teach children the real function of pyramids!

Civilization II on every school computer!
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 12 2016 00:54 GMT
#65617
There's like legit riots going on at this Trump rally.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4359 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-12 00:55:52
March 12 2016 00:54 GMT
#65618
On March 12 2016 08:43 oneofthem wrote:
can you imagine sanders in the role of the u.s. presidency faced with these hard choices? guy doesnt eveen recognize the modern global economy how would he be able to leverage our strength to effect the long game with china?

hillary is willing to do what it takes to defend the liberal world order sanders doesnt even ackowledge it

Yes, the mans policies are idiotic but i still think he does want a fairer society, helping the poor out of poverty.This puts him opposite the establishment dems who prefer a permanently poor underclass.

Detroit has voted democrat for over 50 years straight.What have the democrats actually done for Detroit the past 50 years? NAFTA? Hah! The people in Detroit just keep getting poorer yet still think the democrats will help them, it's truly sad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-12 01:06:32
March 12 2016 01:00 GMT
#65619
establishment dems do not want a permanently poor underclass. it's just that it's a hard process, like all development situations.

places like detroit really do need a new deal sort of push, as do other black communities. i'm not really sure how this is to be done, and some of the potential solutions such as government stepping in to act as the entrepreneur is just very different from what government has been doing, so it's difficult in practice and also politically..
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-12 01:02:06
March 12 2016 01:01 GMT
#65620
On March 12 2016 09:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Detroit has voted democrat for over 50 years straight.What have the democrats actually done for Detroit the past 50 years? NAFTA? Hah! The people in Detroit just keep getting poorer yet still think the democrats will help them, it's truly sad.


The issue is that there isn't an actual left-wing party in the US. There's only right-wing and super right-wing.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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