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On March 02 2016 01:30 Deathstar wrote:
Why are we pretending that blacks won't be in Trump's crosshair after Mexicans (ie Hispanics to these people)?
I'm actually not sure about that. Logically speaking yeah sure but that kind of implies that the whole mexican "solution" worked out (read: all the illegals deported, wall is standing strong) and he wants to move on to the next group.
I'm doubting that whole wall and deporting business of his and don't think he'll get to move on.
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On March 02 2016 01:30 Deathstar wrote:
Why are we pretending that blacks won't be in Trump's crosshair after Mexicans (ie Hispanics to these people)?
He'll have the nomination by then. He has no incentive to pander at that point. He'll be talking about the economy and jobs as soon as the nomination is firmly his.
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On March 02 2016 01:30 Deathstar wrote:
Why are we pretending that blacks won't be in Trump's crosshair after Mexicans (ie Hispanics to these people)?
Black people and legal immigrants have the most to gain from the deportation of 10 million illegals. Millions of jobs will open up for low-skill workers, meaning black people that haven't gone far with their education can get off welfare and start earning money. Money that can be used to finance their children's higher education, money that stops black youth from resorting to crime to make ends meet.
Within 2 generations the entire black population of the US will live a vastly better lifestyle than today. Not to mention the $113 billion that would be saved every year.
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers
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We had the discussion before, but deporting 10M illegals would probably extremely damaging to our economy.
I wonder if Trump can push the black vote up to 90-10 against him? That would be something to see.
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Those who think Trump is a racist need to do a bit more research into his background. The wall street journal ran an article sometime back about how he fought against racial discrimination at high-class whites-only country clubs in Palm Beach back in the 80s. Here's the article:
www.wsj.com
For those who can't get behind the paywall, there is an imaged version here:
i.imgur.com
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Have no doubt that he can. Just keep forgetting how to denounce KKK members and earning the endorsements of really racist people and blacks will want nothing to do with him. The guy took shots as Apple from his Iphone, but needed more info before he denounced Duke, a guy who Trump had previously called a racist.
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Zeo, I'm not convinced black people who currently feel marginalized onto the edges of society are going to be thrilled by the idea that Trump is going to make lots of room for them in the illegal underclass.
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I think Trump's reaction to Ferguson was enough to show he's on the wrong side of the debate.
Every single one of his reactions was entirely clueless, but he was very careful to never mention the police might have been wrong. He blamed the unrest on the media, Obama, and on illegal immigrants. And then he went on to claim police are the most mistreated people in the country, when discussing the shooting of Walter Scott in North Charleston.
Is he overtly racist? Of course not. He's only overtly Islamophobe and xenophobe.
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No one knows what a racist is anymore. But whatever. Keep debasing the meaning of the word and see where it gets you.
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Pretty sure it is unchanged. The systemic repression of people based on their race or origin, that white people say isn't really a problem, doesn't exist and likely doesn't need to be addressed. At least in the US.
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On March 02 2016 02:49 Plansix wrote:
Pretty sure it is unchanged. The systemic repression of people based on their race or origin, that white people say isn't really a problem, doesn't exist and likely doesn't need to be addressed. At least in the US.
Sure, because only white people say that.
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On March 02 2016 02:50 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 02:49 Plansix wrote:
Pretty sure it is unchanged. The systemic repression of people based on their race or origin, that white people say isn't really a problem, doesn't exist and likely doesn't need to be addressed. At least in the US. Sure, because only white people say that.
I really only speak for my own race on the subject, but I see an annoying high number of them saying racism isn't really a big deal in the US any more. Which is standard, because people denied racism was a problem they need to address back during civil rights. And I mean white liberals in New England. It took a lot of convincing to sway people take action and get involved.
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It is fascinating watching the Sanders campaign fall apart. In thrived on wildly unrealistic expectations of political revolution and all this nonsense that only 20 year old liberal arts majors would buy. And now that the elephant in the room is finally coming today, the excuses and "BUT ITS OK!" starts to flood in all over FB.
I can not fucking wait for Bernie's Hilary endorsement. Biggest fucking grin on my face when that happens.
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On March 02 2016 02:58 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 02:50 oBlade wrote:On March 02 2016 02:49 Plansix wrote:
Pretty sure it is unchanged. The systemic repression of people based on their race or origin, that white people say isn't really a problem, doesn't exist and likely doesn't need to be addressed. At least in the US. Sure, because only white people say that. I really only speak for my own race on the subject, but I see an annoying high number of them saying racism isn't really a big deal in the US any more. Which is standard, because people denied racism was a problem they need to address back during civil rights. And I mean white liberals in New England. It took a lot of convincing to sway people take action and get involved.
Are you saying that racism will be a big issue as long as there are people who say it isn't?
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On March 02 2016 03:19 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 02:58 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 02:50 oBlade wrote:On March 02 2016 02:49 Plansix wrote:
Pretty sure it is unchanged. The systemic repression of people based on their race or origin, that white people say isn't really a problem, doesn't exist and likely doesn't need to be addressed. At least in the US. Sure, because only white people say that. I really only speak for my own race on the subject, but I see an annoying high number of them saying racism isn't really a big deal in the US any more. Which is standard, because people denied racism was a problem they need to address back during civil rights. And I mean white liberals in New England. It took a lot of convincing to sway people take action and get involved. Are you saying that racism will be a big issue as long as there are people who say it isn't?
That's the problem with that silly argument. "Remember the 60s? They said racism was gone then too!"
So in 40,000 years when we've all entered a pure energy state and live in stars, we're gonna be giving black energy a half assed shot as economic mobility.
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Governor Rick Scott set to endorse Donald Trump.
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On March 02 2016 03:19 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 02:58 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 02:50 oBlade wrote:On March 02 2016 02:49 Plansix wrote:
Pretty sure it is unchanged. The systemic repression of people based on their race or origin, that white people say isn't really a problem, doesn't exist and likely doesn't need to be addressed. At least in the US. Sure, because only white people say that. I really only speak for my own race on the subject, but I see an annoying high number of them saying racism isn't really a big deal in the US any more. Which is standard, because people denied racism was a problem they need to address back during civil rights. And I mean white liberals in New England. It took a lot of convincing to sway people take action and get involved. Are you saying that racism will be a big issue as long as there are people who say it isn't?
I am pretty sure irrational fear and repression of "the other" will be a problem as long as there are humans. It has been a problem for every culture and race throughout all of history. There is no reason to believe we have magically addressed the issue or it is gone. All evidence points to the opposite being true, that it is an ongoing and systemic problem.
On March 02 2016 03:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Governor Rick Scott set to endorse Donald Trump.
As the governor of Florida, that man could not have lived up to my expectations in both his choice of endorsement and totally creepy, eyebrow-less face.
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On March 02 2016 03:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Governor Rick Scott set to endorse Donald Trump.
I can only imagine the conniption fit that the republican establishment is having right now.
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On March 02 2016 03:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Governor Rick Scott set to endorse Donald Trump.
Oh my god
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On March 02 2016 03:24 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 03:19 oBlade wrote:On March 02 2016 02:58 Plansix wrote:On March 02 2016 02:50 oBlade wrote:On March 02 2016 02:49 Plansix wrote:
Pretty sure it is unchanged. The systemic repression of people based on their race or origin, that white people say isn't really a problem, doesn't exist and likely doesn't need to be addressed. At least in the US. Sure, because only white people say that. I really only speak for my own race on the subject, but I see an annoying high number of them saying racism isn't really a big deal in the US any more. Which is standard, because people denied racism was a problem they need to address back during civil rights. And I mean white liberals in New England. It took a lot of convincing to sway people take action and get involved. Are you saying that racism will be a big issue as long as there are people who say it isn't? I am pretty sure irrational fear and repression of "the other" will be a problem as long as there are humans. It has been a problem for every culture and race throughout all of history. There is no reason to believe we have magically addressed the issue or it is gone. All evidence points to the opposite being true, that it is an ongoing and systemic problem.
So you have an a priori conviction that racism will be a problem forever, and that's enough for you to say that it's still a big issue in wider US society today.
Who are white people to argue with "all evidence," indeed... 
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