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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23197 Posts
March 01 2016 00:08 GMT
#61541
On March 01 2016 09:03 Acrofales wrote:
I hope we can all agree that scheduling the first three (I think) debates on a Saturday was retarded, though.


"Intentional" would be the word I would choose. I try not to use "retarded".
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44250 Posts
March 01 2016 00:12 GMT
#61542
On March 01 2016 08:52 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 07:42 Deathstar wrote:
The illegality of incest (between two consenting adults) is one of the most ridiculous things around. It'll become legal in due time.

I dunno. You could argue that a child can never truly consent to have sex with a parent due to the power relationship between them never really going away.


Except this is between two consenting adults, not a child and parent. If you mean an adult son/ daughter and his/ her older parent, then that's still two consenting adults, so who cares? It's icky but we shouldn't be telling people who they can and can't hook up with.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 01 2016 00:18 GMT
#61543
In 1906 German sociologist Werner Sombart wrote an essay entitled Why Is There No Socialism in the United States? that sought to explain why the US, alone among industrialized democracies, had not developed a major socialist movement.

Today, however, we need to pose a different question: why are there socialists in the United States? In this nation that has long been resistant to socialism’s call, who are all these people who now suddenly deem themselves socialists? Where did they come from? What do they mean by socialism?

Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign has made clear that many Democrats are inclined to vote for a candidate who proclaims himself a democratic socialist, but even more dramatic and consequential are the many Democrats who say they’re socialists themselves. In a poll on the eve of the Iowa caucuses, more than 40% of likely Democratic caucus attendees said they were socialists. In a Boston Globe poll on the eve of the New Hampshire primary, 31% of New Hampshire Democratic voters called themselves socialists; among voters under 35, just over half did. And in late February, a Bloomberg poll of likely voters in the Democratic primary in South Carolina – South Carolina! – showed that 39% described themselves as socialists.

Favorable views of socialism aren’t limited to Sanders supporters. The 39% of South Carolina Democrats who call themselves socialists exceeded by 13 percentage points the number who actually voted for Sanders. In a New York Times poll last November 56% of Democrats – including 52% of Hillary Clinton supporters – said they held a favorable view of socialism. Nor was this sway toward socialism triggered by Sanders’s candidacy: as far back as 2011, a Pew poll revealed, fully 49% of Americans (not just Democrats) under 30 had a positive view of socialism, while just 47% had a favorable opinion of capitalism. In 2011, the percentage of Americans under 30 who could have picked Sanders out of a police line-up was probably in the low single digits.

Bernie Sanders didn’t push the young toward socialism. They were already there.

Indeed, the current socialist emergence was foretold by the polls that showed most American looked positively upon the message of Occupy Wall Street – that the 1% has flourished at the expense of the 99%. It was foreshadowed by the rise to bestseller status of Thomas Piketty’s Capital in the Twenty-First Century, and by the success of the Fight for $15 movement in prompting cities and states to raise the minimum wage.

What’s the substance of the new American socialism? I know of no surveys asking this newly hatched brood to define what they mean when they call themselves socialists, but we can make some educated guesses. First, they don’t counterpose socialism to a militant liberalism. The rise in the number of people who identify as socialists coincides with a rise in the number who call themselves liberals. Whereas in 2000 only 27% of Democrats told Pew they were liberal, by 2015 that figure had risen to 42%, and among millennials, it had increased from 37% in 2004 to 49% today. In Bloomberg’s poll of South Carolina Democrats, while 39% described themselves as socialist, 74% also called themselves progressive, and 68% liberal: they weren’t asked to pick just one.


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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 01 2016 00:21 GMT
#61544
On March 01 2016 09:01 farvacola wrote:
Honestly, the Democratic Party is so anemic when it comes to leadership that, as a proud lifelong Democrat, I'm ashamed of the fact that DWS is still in charge. The party could be celebrating this dual between Clinton and Sanders through promotion in the form of more debates, more press events, and a media campaign that compares the primaries of the two parties. Some kind of dynamic response to the Trump snowball that at least attempts to generate similar amounts of hype. Instead, DWS plays Clinton fangirl while setting a party agenda that is as sheepish as ever.

Though I'm still quite confident in a Democratic win come November, it'll be in spite of the party, not because of it, and that's a goddamn shame.

until the left is more into governance rather than protest it isnt going to succeed even with 90% vote, so they should be kept under wraps.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
March 01 2016 00:28 GMT
#61545
On March 01 2016 09:01 farvacola wrote:
Honestly, the Democratic Party is so anemic when it comes to leadership that, as a proud lifelong Democrat, I'm ashamed of the fact that DWS is still in charge. The party could be celebrating this dual between Clinton and Sanders through promotion in the form of more debates, more press events, and a media campaign that compares the primaries of the two parties. Some kind of dynamic response to the Trump snowball that at least attempts to generate similar amounts of hype. Instead, DWS plays Clinton fangirl while setting a party agenda that is as sheepish as ever.

Though I'm still quite confident in a Democratic win come November, it'll be in spite of the party, not because of it, and that's a goddamn shame.


Missing Howard Dean as DNC chair ...
Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 01 2016 00:29 GMT
#61546
thoughts on drudge report? looking to beef up my election media diet
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 01 2016 00:33 GMT
#61547
Garbage, slightly above the daily mail.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-01 00:44:49
March 01 2016 00:40 GMT
#61548
recs? Drudge seems okay seems cuz it's funny. Looking mainly for aggregator sites. The millennial focused startups like ozy are pretty bad
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 01 2016 00:47 GMT
#61549
The Supreme Court has only been in session without Justice Antonin Scalia for a week. But already, his death is affecting cases, and particularly decisions not to take certain cases to the Supreme Court without the guarantee of his vote.

Last week, Dow Chemical made headlines by opting for a $835 million settlement in a class action lawsuit rather than risk having the case heard by a Scalia-less Supreme Court. A lower court had already ruled against the company for allegedly conspiring to fix prices for industrial chemicals, and prior to the settlement, Dow had appealed to the Supreme Court to overturn the ruling.

In the absence of Scalia's vote, taking the case to the eight other justices risked the company not just a loss in the specific case, but the potential for a broader ruling that would have put companies in a tougher position in future class action lawsuits.

The current court line-up "increased the likelihood for unfavorable outcomes for business involved in class action suits," Dow said in a statement Friday, according to the AP.

But it's not just corporate interests that are quickly recalibrating their legal strategy with the loss of Scalia. A guns right groups decided to forgo a Supreme Court petition last week because the court had lost its conservative tilt.

The New York State Rifle and Pistol Association announced Thursday it would not petition the court to overturn an appeals court decision upholding a New York gun control law.


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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4199 Posts
March 01 2016 01:03 GMT
#61550
On March 01 2016 09:06 killa_robot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 08:55 Simberto wrote:
On March 01 2016 08:29 Deathstar wrote:
On March 01 2016 08:08 ticklishmusic wrote:
On March 01 2016 08:04 Deathstar wrote:
On March 01 2016 07:58 ticklishmusic wrote:
On March 01 2016 07:53 Deathstar wrote:
On March 01 2016 07:46 ticklishmusic wrote:
I'm gonna write some fanfiction about a billionaire parking lot tycoon named Drumpf from Southern California with bad hair who fantasizes about his daughter. Stay tuned.


Knowing Trump by now, he probably said it as a joke in the moment. Come on you're going to take what he says on Howard Stern and View seriously? If Trump's wife looked a lot like Ivanka then there is something funky going on but now it's just anti-Trump fantasizing.


It's satire. I just want Drumpf-senpai to notice me.

On March 01 2016 07:53 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Considering there is a "town hall" two Candidate question and answer session once a week, I think 6 debates is enough. I initially thought 6 was too low, but with all these other events I think there are plenty of Bernie v Clinton events. I get that at the outset, if there were only going to be 6 events in total, that looks biased. But the townhall style events really helped fill out the airwaves.


Pretty much. I've watched every single town hall and it's basically the same thing each time. The only thing that changes is if Hillary and/or Bernie have a cold it seems. The questions aren't bad though.

President-senpai will grace us all. Can't wait for his inauguration speech.
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that is the smile of someone who kind of wishes she was adopted, but then realizes if she were it'd be technically okay for her 'dad' to bang her.


Weirdly having sex with an adopted daughter is still considered incest. The law is nonsensical.


We are kind of on a segway here, but here is my opinion regarding the topic of incest.

There are two big problems with incest: Genetical problems for a possible child and ethical problems due to the power difference in the relationship.

The first one is not a problem if it is ensured that they do not procreate. The second one is a major problem between parent and child, no matter whether they are blood related or adopted. I think it is very hard to decide if a parent/child incestual relationship is not based on the parent pushing their desire onto the child (Obviously this changes at some point in life when the child is basically detached from their parents completely.)

As such, i personally don't have a problem with a lot of forms of incest (Though it is definitively not something i personally am interested in). Siblings, cousins, as long as they make sure they don't produce offspring, that sort of thing is pretty ok in my opinion. But anything that involves someone with an obvious power advantage over another person i find very hard to accept.


Issue with the whole "birth defects" angle is that we don't prevent any other forms of relations that would have similar results. You don't see people pushing for those with certain diseases or severe autism or other mental disabilities to no be able to procreate, even though they would likely breed children with defects.

That's actually a really interesting topic. I guess I'll make a bit of a list here:

I'm type 2 diabetic. There is no history in my family of diabetes, and I can control it completely with diet alone; no meds are necessary. I'm not entirely sure if there is any genetic component here, because it seems likely that I did something to damage my pancreas or it is a side-effect of me being overweight. I'm not particularly worried about passing it on, even though it is something that does affect me.

I have Tourette Syndrome; a very, very mild case of it, but I do have it. You would never know I have it unless I told you I have it and what to look for. One of my sisters has OCD, which is in the same spectrum of disorders with similar causes. There is a fairly strong genetic link, so there is a decent chance of passing something on to a child in my case. However, the chance of passing on a bad case is pretty small overall, because even if you have the gene, it is actually more common for it to be easily handled, difficult to treat cases are quite rare. There is a non-zero chance of passing on a severe case of something even though I have a mild case myself, but it is also not something I would worry about that much, because the odds are still quite good that it would either not manifest, or it would be mild.

One of my grandparents has heart problems. If it was due to genetics, then there is a 25% chance I have that gene, and the chance of passing it along further reduces problems from it, so it this is something that I would have to worry about to at least some degree, however, my grandfather did not have any issues with it until he was over 60 years old, so even if I did pass the gene along, you can end up living for a long time without it becoming a problem, and who knows where medicine will be in 50 years?

I have a very mild case of vertigo, as does my mother, so I'm sure there is something genetic in nature here. Not exactly sure what is causing it, but whatever it is, it is not severe enough to warrant further investigation. Just something interesting that I may pass on to kids if I have any. It flares up to something more noticeable if I get something like an ear infection, but it is still present without infection.

This isn't something that would affect me personally, but would affect my sisters. My father was colour blind, and the gene that passes this specific type of colour blindness along is always carried by women and is expressed in men only, so basically if they have the gene and have a boy, that boy would have a 50% chance of being colour blind.

My father died of cancer in his early 40's, however, neither side of my family has any history with cancer, so it seems more likely that this was environmental related than genetic. It is still possible that there is something genetic here, but my father was the only one where the gene was expressed and caused an issue.

It would definitely be interesting getting some kind of genetic screening to get a better idea of what I can look forward to for myself, and for any kids I may have in the future. I'm far from perfect, but I don't think I have anything too difficult to deal with in my future. But depending on how laws to discourage/prevent procreation for people with mental disabilities or diseases or whatever are, I would be unable to procreate, because even though I do have a mild mental disorder, that same gene expressed in my kid could end up being very severe.....
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23197 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-01 01:15:40
March 01 2016 01:15 GMT
#61551
roflmao. That's one way to do a mea culpa.

Not sure how much longer the media/establishment will be able to pretend otherwise after Cruz maybe squeezes out a win in Texas and then everyone realizes there's nothing else going for him afterwords.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-01 01:19:19
March 01 2016 01:17 GMT
#61552
On March 01 2016 09:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 08:52 Acrofales wrote:
On March 01 2016 07:42 Deathstar wrote:
The illegality of incest (between two consenting adults) is one of the most ridiculous things around. It'll become legal in due time.

I dunno. You could argue that a child can never truly consent to have sex with a parent due to the power relationship between them never really going away.


Except this is between two consenting adults, not a child and parent. If you mean an adult son/ daughter and his/ her older parent, then that's still two consenting adults, so who cares? It's icky but we shouldn't be telling people who they can and can't hook up with.


The German ethics committee actually debated this I think two years ago and they also recommended to remove the incest laws because social taboos aren't sufficient reason for criminalization. The genetic abnormalities issue is inconsistent they argued as the risk for birth defects among, say two people in their late thirties, turns out to be way higher than between two young siblings. And we also don't exclude people with way higher risk for several diseases from having children either.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
March 01 2016 01:27 GMT
#61553
Right. We're not banning relationships based on their ability to produce normal babies or else sterilization would be a boom business.

But yeah currently in the US you can go to jail for many years in most states for having sex with someone related to you (blood related or not), and we're not even talking about marriage.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 01 2016 01:32 GMT
#61554
The law is in place to protect kids and I can't think of that last time it was brought against to consenting adults.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-01 01:33:15
March 01 2016 01:32 GMT
#61555
As plansix suggests, ctual prosecutions for incest usually accompany some other criminal charge or are otherwise exclusively levied against parents. Cousins banging or the like aren't usually getting prosecuted save for extreme circumstances, and most incest laws are actually just a count stacking mechanism for hitting sexual offenders harder.
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thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-01 01:35:14
March 01 2016 01:32 GMT
#61556
On March 01 2016 10:17 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2016 09:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 01 2016 08:52 Acrofales wrote:
On March 01 2016 07:42 Deathstar wrote:
The illegality of incest (between two consenting adults) is one of the most ridiculous things around. It'll become legal in due time.

I dunno. You could argue that a child can never truly consent to have sex with a parent due to the power relationship between them never really going away.


Except this is between two consenting adults, not a child and parent. If you mean an adult son/ daughter and his/ her older parent, then that's still two consenting adults, so who cares? It's icky but we shouldn't be telling people who they can and can't hook up with.


The German ethics committee actually debated this I think two years ago and they also recommended to remove the incest laws because social taboos aren't sufficient reason for criminalization. The genetic abnormalities issue is inconsistent they argued as the risk for birth defects among, say two people in their late thirties, turns out to be way higher than between two young siblings. And we also don't exclude people with way higher risk for several diseases from having children either.

.....Ook, we've established, that you can now legally do your sis' in Germany....still won't trump a president Trump...err Drumpf?!
On a side note: Drumpf isn't that a german name?
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 01 2016 01:34 GMT
#61557
On March 01 2016 09:40 zulu_nation8 wrote:
recs? Drudge seems okay seems cuz it's funny. Looking mainly for aggregator sites. The millennial focused startups like ozy are pretty bad

Drudge should be a go to place. All you really need is to supplement it with something that skews more left.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
March 01 2016 01:38 GMT
#61558
Probably old news to some but i just found out Bill Clinton is a superdelegate.

Fair and balanced right?
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
March 01 2016 01:41 GMT
#61559
On March 01 2016 09:29 zulu_nation8 wrote:
thoughts on drudge report? looking to beef up my election media diet

Zerohedge
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 01 2016 01:42 GMT
#61560
For a specific state. It's gunna get real weird if he vote for his wife, but Bernie won that state.
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