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Bisutopia19395 Posts
On February 27 2016 16:35 Frudgey wrote:
As an outsider looking in, one thing I wonder about is if Bernie does get elected what the aftermath will entail.
I think Bernie supporters are burning for a change, but how much America changes or fails to change during his hypothetical presidential term could have interesting consequences I think. This is purely groundless speculation, but if Bernie can't deliver on his promises (whether it be because they're not feasible, obstructions from other parties, what have you) then I wonder if people will become disillusioned with the political system. I know that some are already disillusioned with the political system, but I wonder just how much more disillusioned they could become.
On the flip side, what if he does bring forth significant change, what would we expect to see? Would we see more Social Democrats? Would there be fiercer resistance to left wing policies, or would there be some desire to push farther left wing?
Again I want to say this is just mere speculation on my part, I don't know nearly enough about politics or economics to make any truly insightful comments on Bernie's chance on winning the election let alone what would happen if he did get in.
Bernie's proposals do sound ambitious and I do think he's riding with a lot of people's hope.
His supporters are looking for Hope and Change? Gee that sounds familiar. If they didn't get it the last eight years, why keep beating the same dead horse? Let the elephant get the beating for a while. My biggest problem with Bernie is that he promises free and says the 1% can pay for it so don't worry. He even proposed a 90% income tax on the 1%. It's sickening to think someone could only be earning 10 cents on every dollar they get.
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On February 27 2016 22:07 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2016 16:35 Frudgey wrote:
As an outsider looking in, one thing I wonder about is if Bernie does get elected what the aftermath will entail.
I think Bernie supporters are burning for a change, but how much America changes or fails to change during his hypothetical presidential term could have interesting consequences I think. This is purely groundless speculation, but if Bernie can't deliver on his promises (whether it be because they're not feasible, obstructions from other parties, what have you) then I wonder if people will become disillusioned with the political system. I know that some are already disillusioned with the political system, but I wonder just how much more disillusioned they could become.
On the flip side, what if he does bring forth significant change, what would we expect to see? Would we see more Social Democrats? Would there be fiercer resistance to left wing policies, or would there be some desire to push farther left wing?
Again I want to say this is just mere speculation on my part, I don't know nearly enough about politics or economics to make any truly insightful comments on Bernie's chance on winning the election let alone what would happen if he did get in.
Bernie's proposals do sound ambitious and I do think he's riding with a lot of people's hope. His supporters are looking for Hope and Change? Gee that sounds familiar. If they didn't get it the last eight years, why keep beating the same dead horse? Let the elephant get the beating for a while. My biggest problem with Bernie is that he promises free and says the 1% can pay for it so don't worry. He even proposed a 90% income tax on the 1%. It's sickening to think someone could only be earning 10 cents on every dollar they get.
Well the 1% will do anything in their power, that Bernie won't be the next president. Even if the impossible happens and he will get elected, they will again: do anything in their power to prevent change! They control the banks, the media and basically own every major corporation, why would they give a single shit about the other 99% and give them even the smallest slice of their cake? Well, maybe hell freezes and hosts the 2018 winter olympics...if that happens...then anything can happen and Bernie may even warm the frozen hearts of those 1% to pay for everything... 
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On February 27 2016 22:07 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2016 16:35 Frudgey wrote:
As an outsider looking in, one thing I wonder about is if Bernie does get elected what the aftermath will entail.
I think Bernie supporters are burning for a change, but how much America changes or fails to change during his hypothetical presidential term could have interesting consequences I think. This is purely groundless speculation, but if Bernie can't deliver on his promises (whether it be because they're not feasible, obstructions from other parties, what have you) then I wonder if people will become disillusioned with the political system. I know that some are already disillusioned with the political system, but I wonder just how much more disillusioned they could become.
On the flip side, what if he does bring forth significant change, what would we expect to see? Would we see more Social Democrats? Would there be fiercer resistance to left wing policies, or would there be some desire to push farther left wing?
Again I want to say this is just mere speculation on my part, I don't know nearly enough about politics or economics to make any truly insightful comments on Bernie's chance on winning the election let alone what would happen if he did get in.
Bernie's proposals do sound ambitious and I do think he's riding with a lot of people's hope. His supporters are looking for Hope and Change? Gee that sounds familiar. If they didn't get it the last eight years, why keep beating the same dead horse? Let the elephant get the beating for a while. My biggest problem with Bernie is that he promises free and says the 1% can pay for it so don't worry. He even proposed a 90% income tax on the 1%. It's sickening to think someone could only be earning 10 cents on every dollar they get.
Here's a tip; don't listen to Trump when it comes to the platforms of other candidates. It makes you look ignorant 
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Bisutopia19395 Posts
On February 27 2016 22:28 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2016 22:07 BisuDagger wrote:On February 27 2016 16:35 Frudgey wrote:
As an outsider looking in, one thing I wonder about is if Bernie does get elected what the aftermath will entail.
I think Bernie supporters are burning for a change, but how much America changes or fails to change during his hypothetical presidential term could have interesting consequences I think. This is purely groundless speculation, but if Bernie can't deliver on his promises (whether it be because they're not feasible, obstructions from other parties, what have you) then I wonder if people will become disillusioned with the political system. I know that some are already disillusioned with the political system, but I wonder just how much more disillusioned they could become.
On the flip side, what if he does bring forth significant change, what would we expect to see? Would we see more Social Democrats? Would there be fiercer resistance to left wing policies, or would there be some desire to push farther left wing?
Again I want to say this is just mere speculation on my part, I don't know nearly enough about politics or economics to make any truly insightful comments on Bernie's chance on winning the election let alone what would happen if he did get in.
Bernie's proposals do sound ambitious and I do think he's riding with a lot of people's hope. His supporters are looking for Hope and Change? Gee that sounds familiar. If they didn't get it the last eight years, why keep beating the same dead horse? Let the elephant get the beating for a while. My biggest problem with Bernie is that he promises free and says the 1% can pay for it so don't worry. He even proposed a 90% income tax on the 1%. It's sickening to think someone could only be earning 10 cents on every dollar they get. Here's a tip; don't listen to Trump when it comes to the platforms of other candidates. It makes you look ignorant
Apparently I forgot to paste my source. http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/05/26/3662773/sanders-90-percent-tax/
Don't throw out insults because you dislike what I say, it makes you look like an asshat.
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On February 27 2016 17:38 Jibba wrote:
One thing that strikes me is that it seems like out of all the business people entering politics, Romney and Bloomberg were the only two who were competent at business (regardless of what you think about what Bain Capital does, it does it pretty well.)
For all this talk about running the country like a business (which can't and should not be done because the two are fundamentally different), the business people we get to choose from are pretty shitty at business. The majority of us, if we had Trump's starting point in 1980, would be richer than he is today. Fiorina is universally despised at HP and hasn't had professional success since Lucent. Snyder did not do well with Gateway.
The smart business people stay in business because it's a better gig. The majority of those entering politics are the dummies.
bloomberg also has a lot of administrative experience. he is perfect
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On February 27 2016 22:37 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2016 22:28 farvacola wrote:On February 27 2016 22:07 BisuDagger wrote:On February 27 2016 16:35 Frudgey wrote:
As an outsider looking in, one thing I wonder about is if Bernie does get elected what the aftermath will entail.
I think Bernie supporters are burning for a change, but how much America changes or fails to change during his hypothetical presidential term could have interesting consequences I think. This is purely groundless speculation, but if Bernie can't deliver on his promises (whether it be because they're not feasible, obstructions from other parties, what have you) then I wonder if people will become disillusioned with the political system. I know that some are already disillusioned with the political system, but I wonder just how much more disillusioned they could become.
On the flip side, what if he does bring forth significant change, what would we expect to see? Would we see more Social Democrats? Would there be fiercer resistance to left wing policies, or would there be some desire to push farther left wing?
Again I want to say this is just mere speculation on my part, I don't know nearly enough about politics or economics to make any truly insightful comments on Bernie's chance on winning the election let alone what would happen if he did get in.
Bernie's proposals do sound ambitious and I do think he's riding with a lot of people's hope. His supporters are looking for Hope and Change? Gee that sounds familiar. If they didn't get it the last eight years, why keep beating the same dead horse? Let the elephant get the beating for a while. My biggest problem with Bernie is that he promises free and says the 1% can pay for it so don't worry. He even proposed a 90% income tax on the 1%. It's sickening to think someone could only be earning 10 cents on every dollar they get. Here's a tip; don't listen to Trump when it comes to the platforms of other candidates. It makes you look ignorant Apparently I forgot to paste my source. http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/05/26/3662773/sanders-90-percent-tax/Don't throw out insults because you dislike what I say, it makes you look like an asshat. lol, so you link to a May, 2015 article that predates the actual release of Sanders' tax plan? In case your error isn't plain already, here's a similarly outdated article (from December, not May) that refutes your similarly outdated claims.
Bernie Sanders And The 90% Income Tax Rate That He Does Not Call For
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
i'd say you want more tax reform (especially international capital) than tax increase. tax avoidance is too easy for the truly rich
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It's sickening to think someone could only be earning 10 cents on every dollar they get.
How do you think capitalism works?
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On February 27 2016 22:07 BisuDagger wrote:
It's sickening to think someone could only be earning 10 cents on every dollar they get.
Yeah, disgusting idea.
I don't want to live in a world in which rich heirs and bankers only have as much as hundreds of workers, instead of, as is fair and proper, thousands of workers!
How dare such insignificant scum as nurses and teachers demand a living wage when David Koch's third solid gold cruise ship is at stake!
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On February 27 2016 16:42 ticklishmusic wrote:
Based on complex statistical gut analysis I predict Hillary to take South Carolina by s margin of 25, though I wouldn't be shocked or displeased to see a 30 point margin.
Funny, I think within 20 points is a reasonable estimate, within 15 points would be nice, 10 points is probably just a bit beyond reach.
But who knows, clearly I can't predict these things. At least this one ain't a caucus.
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On February 27 2016 22:07 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2016 16:35 Frudgey wrote:
As an outsider looking in, one thing I wonder about is if Bernie does get elected what the aftermath will entail.
I think Bernie supporters are burning for a change, but how much America changes or fails to change during his hypothetical presidential term could have interesting consequences I think. This is purely groundless speculation, but if Bernie can't deliver on his promises (whether it be because they're not feasible, obstructions from other parties, what have you) then I wonder if people will become disillusioned with the political system. I know that some are already disillusioned with the political system, but I wonder just how much more disillusioned they could become.
On the flip side, what if he does bring forth significant change, what would we expect to see? Would we see more Social Democrats? Would there be fiercer resistance to left wing policies, or would there be some desire to push farther left wing?
Again I want to say this is just mere speculation on my part, I don't know nearly enough about politics or economics to make any truly insightful comments on Bernie's chance on winning the election let alone what would happen if he did get in.
Bernie's proposals do sound ambitious and I do think he's riding with a lot of people's hope. His supporters are looking for Hope and Change? Gee that sounds familiar. If they didn't get it the last eight years, why keep beating the same dead horse? Let the elephant get the beating for a while. My biggest problem with Bernie is that he promises free and says the 1% can pay for it so don't worry. He even proposed a 90% income tax on the 1%. It's sickening to think someone could only be earning 10 cents on every dollar they get.
It's okay, though. They're not earning jack shit. They're sitting back and letting some investment banker earn their money for them. Imho it is completely ok if someone only gets minimal return for minimal effort.
And that were even if this was true, which it isn't.
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Bisudagger Sanders is talking about a marginal tax rate , nobody will be paying 90% on every dollar they earn
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On February 28 2016 01:40 Nyxisto wrote:
Bisudagger Sanders is talking about a marginal tax rate , nobody will be paying 90% on every dollar they earn
Nor would the maximum bracket be anywhere near 90%
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Trump is going to take this all the way baby
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On February 28 2016 02:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2016 01:40 Nyxisto wrote:
Bisudagger Sanders is talking about a marginal tax rate , nobody will be paying 90% on every dollar they earn Nor would the maximum bracket be anywhere near 90%
Nope. The media/Trump have been pretty bad about saying what Sanders' tax plan actually is.
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Bisutopia19395 Posts
On February 28 2016 02:56 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2016 02:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:On February 28 2016 01:40 Nyxisto wrote:
Bisudagger Sanders is talking about a marginal tax rate , nobody will be paying 90% on every dollar they earn Nor would the maximum bracket be anywhere near 90% Nope. The media/Trump have been pretty bad about saying what Sanders' tax plan actually is.
Look it doesn't matter if the tax rate is 90%. I'm pissed if the tax rate goes up any percentage for any bracket. I only take home 75 cents on the dollar and I make an average income. To me 25% of what I earn is a lot to lose. I have no skin in the game when it comes to the top 1%, but it's bullshit to take so much from money earned.
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On February 28 2016 03:11 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2016 02:56 The_Templar wrote:On February 28 2016 02:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:On February 28 2016 01:40 Nyxisto wrote:
Bisudagger Sanders is talking about a marginal tax rate , nobody will be paying 90% on every dollar they earn Nor would the maximum bracket be anywhere near 90% Nope. The media/Trump have been pretty bad about saying what Sanders' tax plan actually is. Look it doesn't matter if the tax rate is 90%. I'm pissed if the tax rate goes up any percentage for any bracket. I only take home 75 cents on the dollar and I make an average income. To me 25% of what I earn is a lot to lose. I have no skin in the game when it comes to the top 1%, but it's bullshit to take so much from money earned.
Qft!
There shouldn't be any raise of taxes for anyone.
Instead there should be better mechanism in allocating the resources more efficient by getting rid of bad investments.
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Considering how strongly votes for Congress/governorship tends to be party-line, the Reps who distance themselves from Trump will almost certainly find that it blows up in their face. Same thing happened for the 2014 election where some tried to distance themselves from Obama and failed horribly.
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On February 28 2016 03:11 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2016 02:56 The_Templar wrote:On February 28 2016 02:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:On February 28 2016 01:40 Nyxisto wrote:
Bisudagger Sanders is talking about a marginal tax rate , nobody will be paying 90% on every dollar they earn Nor would the maximum bracket be anywhere near 90% Nope. The media/Trump have been pretty bad about saying what Sanders' tax plan actually is. Look it doesn't matter if the tax rate is 90%. I'm pissed if the tax rate goes up any percentage for any bracket. I only take home 75 cents on the dollar and I make an average income. To me 25% of what I earn is a lot to lose. I have no skin in the game when it comes to the top 1%, but it's bullshit to take so much from money earned.
Yeah but CEO's are evil bad guys who don't work hard and deserve to lose money to pay for the poor!
I agree with where you are coming from, what's the point of being in the upper tax bracket if you are just going to get robbed once there? A lot of Sander's supporters are in college, who have probably never taken a paycheck in their life. The people who want these tax rates better be consistent with their position once they enter those tax brackets, otherwise hypocrites everywhere.
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