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Apple’s lawyers believe forcing America’s largest company to help the government crack open one of its iPhones would violate the US constitution and be a misinterpretation of a 227-year-old law.
The 36-page legal brief is Apple’s formal rebuttal to a federal court order to write and sign software that would make it easier for investigators to open a phone used by the San Bernardino gunman.
Its attorneys argue that the government seeks “a dangerous power that Congress and the American people have withheld: the ability to force companies like Apple to undermine the basic security and privacy interests of hundreds of millions of individuals around the globe”.
Apple claims the court order violates American speech law under the first amendment, due process protections under the fifth amendment and leans too heavily on the so-called All Writs Act, a statute dating back to 1789 that gives courts broad authority to ensure orders are fulfilled.
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On February 26 2016 06:49 Plansix wrote:
I didn’t need Salon to tell me America’s are pretty dumb. Not much dumber than other countries, but we are not batting any higher. Trump being the front runner in the Republicans race is right in line with use electing Bush twice.
The Don is the front runner for GOP is the prove that average Americans are smart enough to realize that socialism won't solve society's problems after the failure that is affirmative action.
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I always felt the drones where going to come back to haunt the US, especially when we established their operation HQ in the US. I get that it makes logistical sense and is safer, but perception of the program is so damaging. A nation reaching out across the globe to kill people with unmanned robots. Kids are quoted that the “fear the sky because the US owns it.” Just not the perception you want to be projecting world wide.
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On February 26 2016 07:00 ErectedZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 06:49 Plansix wrote:
I didn’t need Salon to tell me America’s are pretty dumb. Not much dumber than other countries, but we are not batting any higher. Trump being the front runner in the Republicans race is right in line with use electing Bush twice. The Don is the front runner for GOP is the prove that average Americans are smart enough to realize that socialism won't solve society's problems after the failure that is affirmative action.
How exactly do affirmative action and socialism fit together?
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Just stop...
“What happened was, the people who still needed some assistance didn’t get it,” Mr. Clinton said. “We were able to restore virtually all the cuts to legal immigrants that the Republicans demanded, we kept the guarantee of nutrition and health care. But the law needs to be changed to help the poorest of the poor.”
He added, “There’s no question that it did far more good than harm, and there’s no question that subsequent events showed it needs some improvement.”
“I don’t think America ever stopped being great – we have to make America whole again,” Mr. Clinton told a couple of hundred supporters in Rock Hill, a modest-size city near the North Carolina border.
“How do we make America whole again? Well, we shouldn’t build a wall around this country. We should do what Hillary wants to do. We should tear down the barriers and build ladders to prosperity.”
While Mrs. Clinton has been decrying “systemic racism” in the criminal justice system ahead of the South Carolina primary, where more than half of Democratic voters are likely to be black, Mr. Clinton took a different tack here. He praised police officers generally and said that communities needed “neighborhood councils” and other groups that would build closer ties with beat cops and law enforcement officials.
“We need to put more police on the street that look like the communities they are policing,” Mr. Clinton said. “We all know that anytime people have a lot of guns, and there’s violence, and drugs are being sold, once in a while something’s going to happen that shouldn’t happen.”
He did not pass judgment on who was to blame in such incidents, but focused instead on the need for the police and community officials to work together.
“We need the police, we need the police, but we need a police that people trust are on their side,” Mr. Clinton said.
Throughout his speech, Mr. Clinton seemed to be reaching out to white voters at a time when Mrs. Clinton is explicitly courting African-Americans
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On February 26 2016 07:02 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 07:00 ErectedZenith wrote:On February 26 2016 06:49 Plansix wrote:
I didn’t need Salon to tell me America’s are pretty dumb. Not much dumber than other countries, but we are not batting any higher. Trump being the front runner in the Republicans race is right in line with use electing Bush twice. The Don is the front runner for GOP is the prove that average Americans are smart enough to realize that socialism won't solve society's problems after the failure that is affirmative action. How exactly do affirmative action and socialism fit together?
Why are you responding to the bait lord? He stumps for Trump, much like an old Sheep based user.
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Fair enough.
Am I the only one starting to wonder if Kerry just blackmails the living hell out of world leaders until they agree to his requests?
UNITED NATIONS — The United States and China have agreed to stiffen international financial sanctions against North Korea in a major shift for Beijing, which has long been unwilling to further isolate its intransigent ally.
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A bill that allows children of all ages to handle guns passed Iowa’s house of representatives on Tuesday.
Approved by a 62-36 vote, the bill permits children under the age of 14 to have “a pistol, revolver or the ammunition” while under parental supervision. The bill will now head to the state senate.
“It’s our impression that most, and probably all, states allow minors to possess firearms with parental supervision,” Allison Anderman, staff attorney for the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said. “If there are age limitations on possession with parental supervision, they vary by state.”
State representative Kirsten Running-Marquardt, who opposes the bill, said it “allows for one-year-olds, two-year-olds, three-year-olds, four-year-olds to operate handguns”, according to CBS-affiliate KCCI. She added: “We do not need a militia of toddlers.”
Currently in Iowa, children can legally use long guns and shotguns under adult supervision but not handguns. This bill would change that, allowing the use of handguns as long as parents are 21 years old and maintain “visual and verbal contact at all times with the supervised person”. Children would still not be able to purchase firearms on their own.
State representative Jake Highfill told the Washington Post that the new law “gives the power back to parents”.
“Allowing people to learn at a young age the respect that a gun commands is one of the most important things you can do,” Highfill said.
The alternative, he added, is “turning 18 with no experience”.
But those opposing the bill were not convinced. State representative Mary Mascher argued that they “can’t legislate good parenting … but we can protect our children”. She cited seat belt, smoking and car seat laws.
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On February 26 2016 07:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +A bill that allows children of all ages to handle guns passed Iowa’s house of representatives on Tuesday.
Approved by a 62-36 vote, the bill permits children under the age of 14 to have “a pistol, revolver or the ammunition” while under parental supervision. The bill will now head to the state senate.
“It’s our impression that most, and probably all, states allow minors to possess firearms with parental supervision,” Allison Anderman, staff attorney for the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said. “If there are age limitations on possession with parental supervision, they vary by state.”
State representative Kirsten Running-Marquardt, who opposes the bill, said it “allows for one-year-olds, two-year-olds, three-year-olds, four-year-olds to operate handguns”, according to CBS-affiliate KCCI. She added: “We do not need a militia of toddlers.”
Currently in Iowa, children can legally use long guns and shotguns under adult supervision but not handguns. This bill would change that, allowing the use of handguns as long as parents are 21 years old and maintain “visual and verbal contact at all times with the supervised person”. Children would still not be able to purchase firearms on their own.
State representative Jake Highfill told the Washington Post that the new law “gives the power back to parents”.
“Allowing people to learn at a young age the respect that a gun commands is one of the most important things you can do,” Highfill said.
The alternative, he added, is “turning 18 with no experience”.
But those opposing the bill were not convinced. State representative Mary Mascher argued that they “can’t legislate good parenting … but we can protect our children”. She cited seat belt, smoking and car seat laws. Source
Good. This isn't something that needs to be criminalized.
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On February 26 2016 07:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +A bill that allows children of all ages to handle guns passed Iowa’s house of representatives on Tuesday.
Approved by a 62-36 vote, the bill permits children under the age of 14 to have “a pistol, revolver or the ammunition” while under parental supervision. The bill will now head to the state senate.
“It’s our impression that most, and probably all, states allow minors to possess firearms with parental supervision,” Allison Anderman, staff attorney for the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said. “If there are age limitations on possession with parental supervision, they vary by state.”
State representative Kirsten Running-Marquardt, who opposes the bill, said it “allows for one-year-olds, two-year-olds, three-year-olds, four-year-olds to operate handguns”, according to CBS-affiliate KCCI. She added: “We do not need a militia of toddlers.”
Currently in Iowa, children can legally use long guns and shotguns under adult supervision but not handguns. This bill would change that, allowing the use of handguns as long as parents are 21 years old and maintain “visual and verbal contact at all times with the supervised person”. Children would still not be able to purchase firearms on their own.
State representative Jake Highfill told the Washington Post that the new law “gives the power back to parents”.
“Allowing people to learn at a young age the respect that a gun commands is one of the most important things you can do,” Highfill said.
The alternative, he added, is “turning 18 with no experience”.
But those opposing the bill were not convinced. State representative Mary Mascher argued that they “can’t legislate good parenting … but we can protect our children”. She cited seat belt, smoking and car seat laws. Source
I am reminded of the story of an 11 year old shooting an 8y old girl who did not let him play with her puppy.
On February 26 2016 07:12 xDaunt wrote:
Good. This isn't something that needs to be criminalized.
Why the fuck does a child need to use a lethal weapon?
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On February 26 2016 07:12 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 07:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:A bill that allows children of all ages to handle guns passed Iowa’s house of representatives on Tuesday.
Approved by a 62-36 vote, the bill permits children under the age of 14 to have “a pistol, revolver or the ammunition” while under parental supervision. The bill will now head to the state senate.
“It’s our impression that most, and probably all, states allow minors to possess firearms with parental supervision,” Allison Anderman, staff attorney for the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said. “If there are age limitations on possession with parental supervision, they vary by state.”
State representative Kirsten Running-Marquardt, who opposes the bill, said it “allows for one-year-olds, two-year-olds, three-year-olds, four-year-olds to operate handguns”, according to CBS-affiliate KCCI. She added: “We do not need a militia of toddlers.”
Currently in Iowa, children can legally use long guns and shotguns under adult supervision but not handguns. This bill would change that, allowing the use of handguns as long as parents are 21 years old and maintain “visual and verbal contact at all times with the supervised person”. Children would still not be able to purchase firearms on their own.
State representative Jake Highfill told the Washington Post that the new law “gives the power back to parents”.
“Allowing people to learn at a young age the respect that a gun commands is one of the most important things you can do,” Highfill said.
The alternative, he added, is “turning 18 with no experience”.
But those opposing the bill were not convinced. State representative Mary Mascher argued that they “can’t legislate good parenting … but we can protect our children”. She cited seat belt, smoking and car seat laws. Source Good. This isn't something that needs to be criminalized.
Agreed. I find this to be a completely reasonable argument
The alternative, he added, is “turning 18 with no experience”.
If we're gonna continue having guns (which we are), experience is a good thing.
On February 26 2016 07:14 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 07:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:A bill that allows children of all ages to handle guns passed Iowa’s house of representatives on Tuesday.
Approved by a 62-36 vote, the bill permits children under the age of 14 to have “a pistol, revolver or the ammunition” while under parental supervision. The bill will now head to the state senate.
“It’s our impression that most, and probably all, states allow minors to possess firearms with parental supervision,” Allison Anderman, staff attorney for the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said. “If there are age limitations on possession with parental supervision, they vary by state.”
State representative Kirsten Running-Marquardt, who opposes the bill, said it “allows for one-year-olds, two-year-olds, three-year-olds, four-year-olds to operate handguns”, according to CBS-affiliate KCCI. She added: “We do not need a militia of toddlers.”
Currently in Iowa, children can legally use long guns and shotguns under adult supervision but not handguns. This bill would change that, allowing the use of handguns as long as parents are 21 years old and maintain “visual and verbal contact at all times with the supervised person”. Children would still not be able to purchase firearms on their own.
State representative Jake Highfill told the Washington Post that the new law “gives the power back to parents”.
“Allowing people to learn at a young age the respect that a gun commands is one of the most important things you can do,” Highfill said.
The alternative, he added, is “turning 18 with no experience”.
But those opposing the bill were not convinced. State representative Mary Mascher argued that they “can’t legislate good parenting … but we can protect our children”. She cited seat belt, smoking and car seat laws. Source I am reminded of the story of an 11 year old shooting an 8y old girl who did not let him play with her puppy.
I'm gonna go ahead and assume that 11 year old wasn't under adult supervision.
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On February 26 2016 07:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +A bill that allows children of all ages to handle guns passed Iowa’s house of representatives on Tuesday.
Approved by a 62-36 vote, the bill permits children under the age of 14 to have “a pistol, revolver or the ammunition” while under parental supervision. The bill will now head to the state senate.
“It’s our impression that most, and probably all, states allow minors to possess firearms with parental supervision,” Allison Anderman, staff attorney for the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said. “If there are age limitations on possession with parental supervision, they vary by state.”
State representative Kirsten Running-Marquardt, who opposes the bill, said it “allows for one-year-olds, two-year-olds, three-year-olds, four-year-olds to operate handguns”, according to CBS-affiliate KCCI. She added: “We do not need a militia of toddlers.”
Currently in Iowa, children can legally use long guns and shotguns under adult supervision but not handguns. This bill would change that, allowing the use of handguns as long as parents are 21 years old and maintain “visual and verbal contact at all times with the supervised person”. Children would still not be able to purchase firearms on their own.
State representative Jake Highfill told the Washington Post that the new law “gives the power back to parents”.
“Allowing people to learn at a young age the respect that a gun commands is one of the most important things you can do,” Highfill said.
The alternative, he added, is “turning 18 with no experience”.
But those opposing the bill were not convinced. State representative Mary Mascher argued that they “can’t legislate good parenting … but we can protect our children”. She cited seat belt, smoking and car seat laws. Source
I don't have a problem with having guns and kids under 14 using them. There should probably some restrictions though. I mean you can keep it under a .22, but the risk isn't anything but ominous rendering of "parental supervision".
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I am confused why anyone would teach their kid on a handgun over a long gun or shotgun, but I guess it was just a weird oversight in the law. I learned on a 22 at age 12, so I'm not really against it. I think its really dumb to hand a child anything that is semi-automatic, but there are negligence and civil laws to punish that type of stupidity.
On February 26 2016 07:14 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 07:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:A bill that allows children of all ages to handle guns passed Iowa’s house of representatives on Tuesday.
Approved by a 62-36 vote, the bill permits children under the age of 14 to have “a pistol, revolver or the ammunition” while under parental supervision. The bill will now head to the state senate.
“It’s our impression that most, and probably all, states allow minors to possess firearms with parental supervision,” Allison Anderman, staff attorney for the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said. “If there are age limitations on possession with parental supervision, they vary by state.”
State representative Kirsten Running-Marquardt, who opposes the bill, said it “allows for one-year-olds, two-year-olds, three-year-olds, four-year-olds to operate handguns”, according to CBS-affiliate KCCI. She added: “We do not need a militia of toddlers.”
Currently in Iowa, children can legally use long guns and shotguns under adult supervision but not handguns. This bill would change that, allowing the use of handguns as long as parents are 21 years old and maintain “visual and verbal contact at all times with the supervised person”. Children would still not be able to purchase firearms on their own.
State representative Jake Highfill told the Washington Post that the new law “gives the power back to parents”.
“Allowing people to learn at a young age the respect that a gun commands is one of the most important things you can do,” Highfill said.
The alternative, he added, is “turning 18 with no experience”.
But those opposing the bill were not convinced. State representative Mary Mascher argued that they “can’t legislate good parenting … but we can protect our children”. She cited seat belt, smoking and car seat laws. Source I am reminded of the story of an 11 year old shooting an 8y old girl who did not let him play with her puppy. Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 07:12 xDaunt wrote:
Good. This isn't something that needs to be criminalized. Why the fuck does a child need to use a lethal weapon?
Because that is how people learn to use guns. This law only changed the rules for hand guns. You can still give a kid an AK47 and shoot with them under the previous law.
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On February 26 2016 07:15 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 07:12 xDaunt wrote:On February 26 2016 07:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:A bill that allows children of all ages to handle guns passed Iowa’s house of representatives on Tuesday.
Approved by a 62-36 vote, the bill permits children under the age of 14 to have “a pistol, revolver or the ammunition” while under parental supervision. The bill will now head to the state senate.
“It’s our impression that most, and probably all, states allow minors to possess firearms with parental supervision,” Allison Anderman, staff attorney for the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said. “If there are age limitations on possession with parental supervision, they vary by state.”
State representative Kirsten Running-Marquardt, who opposes the bill, said it “allows for one-year-olds, two-year-olds, three-year-olds, four-year-olds to operate handguns”, according to CBS-affiliate KCCI. She added: “We do not need a militia of toddlers.”
Currently in Iowa, children can legally use long guns and shotguns under adult supervision but not handguns. This bill would change that, allowing the use of handguns as long as parents are 21 years old and maintain “visual and verbal contact at all times with the supervised person”. Children would still not be able to purchase firearms on their own.
State representative Jake Highfill told the Washington Post that the new law “gives the power back to parents”.
“Allowing people to learn at a young age the respect that a gun commands is one of the most important things you can do,” Highfill said.
The alternative, he added, is “turning 18 with no experience”.
But those opposing the bill were not convinced. State representative Mary Mascher argued that they “can’t legislate good parenting … but we can protect our children”. She cited seat belt, smoking and car seat laws. Source Good. This isn't something that needs to be criminalized. Agreed. I find this to be a completely reasonable argument If we're gonna continue having guns (which we are), experience is a good thing. Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 07:14 Gorsameth wrote:On February 26 2016 07:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:A bill that allows children of all ages to handle guns passed Iowa’s house of representatives on Tuesday.
Approved by a 62-36 vote, the bill permits children under the age of 14 to have “a pistol, revolver or the ammunition” while under parental supervision. The bill will now head to the state senate.
“It’s our impression that most, and probably all, states allow minors to possess firearms with parental supervision,” Allison Anderman, staff attorney for the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said. “If there are age limitations on possession with parental supervision, they vary by state.”
State representative Kirsten Running-Marquardt, who opposes the bill, said it “allows for one-year-olds, two-year-olds, three-year-olds, four-year-olds to operate handguns”, according to CBS-affiliate KCCI. She added: “We do not need a militia of toddlers.”
Currently in Iowa, children can legally use long guns and shotguns under adult supervision but not handguns. This bill would change that, allowing the use of handguns as long as parents are 21 years old and maintain “visual and verbal contact at all times with the supervised person”. Children would still not be able to purchase firearms on their own.
State representative Jake Highfill told the Washington Post that the new law “gives the power back to parents”.
“Allowing people to learn at a young age the respect that a gun commands is one of the most important things you can do,” Highfill said.
The alternative, he added, is “turning 18 with no experience”.
But those opposing the bill were not convinced. State representative Mary Mascher argued that they “can’t legislate good parenting … but we can protect our children”. She cited seat belt, smoking and car seat laws. Source I am reminded of the story of an 11 year old shooting an 8y old girl who did not let him play with her puppy. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that 11 year old wasn't under adult supervision.
And an adult standing at a distance is going to be able to intervene if a kid points a gun at someone else and pulls the trigger?
And you assume the kid is not going to be able to get access to that gun while unsupervised.
I think we have enough proof from people shooting others with daddies gun that its a pipe dream.
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On February 26 2016 07:18 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 07:15 jcarlsoniv wrote:On February 26 2016 07:12 xDaunt wrote:On February 26 2016 07:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:A bill that allows children of all ages to handle guns passed Iowa’s house of representatives on Tuesday.
Approved by a 62-36 vote, the bill permits children under the age of 14 to have “a pistol, revolver or the ammunition” while under parental supervision. The bill will now head to the state senate.
“It’s our impression that most, and probably all, states allow minors to possess firearms with parental supervision,” Allison Anderman, staff attorney for the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said. “If there are age limitations on possession with parental supervision, they vary by state.”
State representative Kirsten Running-Marquardt, who opposes the bill, said it “allows for one-year-olds, two-year-olds, three-year-olds, four-year-olds to operate handguns”, according to CBS-affiliate KCCI. She added: “We do not need a militia of toddlers.”
Currently in Iowa, children can legally use long guns and shotguns under adult supervision but not handguns. This bill would change that, allowing the use of handguns as long as parents are 21 years old and maintain “visual and verbal contact at all times with the supervised person”. Children would still not be able to purchase firearms on their own.
State representative Jake Highfill told the Washington Post that the new law “gives the power back to parents”.
“Allowing people to learn at a young age the respect that a gun commands is one of the most important things you can do,” Highfill said.
The alternative, he added, is “turning 18 with no experience”.
But those opposing the bill were not convinced. State representative Mary Mascher argued that they “can’t legislate good parenting … but we can protect our children”. She cited seat belt, smoking and car seat laws. Source Good. This isn't something that needs to be criminalized. Agreed. I find this to be a completely reasonable argument
The alternative, he added, is “turning 18 with no experience”.
If we're gonna continue having guns (which we are), experience is a good thing. On February 26 2016 07:14 Gorsameth wrote:On February 26 2016 07:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:A bill that allows children of all ages to handle guns passed Iowa’s house of representatives on Tuesday.
Approved by a 62-36 vote, the bill permits children under the age of 14 to have “a pistol, revolver or the ammunition” while under parental supervision. The bill will now head to the state senate.
“It’s our impression that most, and probably all, states allow minors to possess firearms with parental supervision,” Allison Anderman, staff attorney for the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said. “If there are age limitations on possession with parental supervision, they vary by state.”
State representative Kirsten Running-Marquardt, who opposes the bill, said it “allows for one-year-olds, two-year-olds, three-year-olds, four-year-olds to operate handguns”, according to CBS-affiliate KCCI. She added: “We do not need a militia of toddlers.”
Currently in Iowa, children can legally use long guns and shotguns under adult supervision but not handguns. This bill would change that, allowing the use of handguns as long as parents are 21 years old and maintain “visual and verbal contact at all times with the supervised person”. Children would still not be able to purchase firearms on their own.
State representative Jake Highfill told the Washington Post that the new law “gives the power back to parents”.
“Allowing people to learn at a young age the respect that a gun commands is one of the most important things you can do,” Highfill said.
The alternative, he added, is “turning 18 with no experience”.
But those opposing the bill were not convinced. State representative Mary Mascher argued that they “can’t legislate good parenting … but we can protect our children”. She cited seat belt, smoking and car seat laws. Source I am reminded of the story of an 11 year old shooting an 8y old girl who did not let him play with her puppy. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that 11 year old wasn't under adult supervision. And an adult standing at a distance is going to be able to intervene if a kid points a gun at someone else and pulls the trigger? And you assume the kid is not going to be able to get access to that gun while unsupervised. I think we have enough proof from people shooting others with daddies gun that its a pipe dream.
I didn't kill anyone. My brother either. My parents either. We all made it. If we are going to get mad about gun laws, lets get mad about bad ones. This isn't the hill to die on.
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On February 26 2016 07:02 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 07:00 ErectedZenith wrote:On February 26 2016 06:49 Plansix wrote:
I didn’t need Salon to tell me America’s are pretty dumb. Not much dumber than other countries, but we are not batting any higher. Trump being the front runner in the Republicans race is right in line with use electing Bush twice. The Don is the front runner for GOP is the prove that average Americans are smart enough to realize that socialism won't solve society's problems after the failure that is affirmative action. How exactly do affirmative action and socialism fit together?
The democratic party are actively vouching for socialism (see Sanders asking for more taxes for the job providers).
Socialism:
a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies.
Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
And affirmative action forces employers to artificially creates quotas adjudicated by governments.
Don't listen to that guy that calls people trolls because they've got a point and facts and he's got none.
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On February 26 2016 07:25 ErectedZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 07:02 Mohdoo wrote:On February 26 2016 07:00 ErectedZenith wrote:On February 26 2016 06:49 Plansix wrote:
I didn’t need Salon to tell me America’s are pretty dumb. Not much dumber than other countries, but we are not batting any higher. Trump being the front runner in the Republicans race is right in line with use electing Bush twice. The Don is the front runner for GOP is the prove that average Americans are smart enough to realize that socialism won't solve society's problems after the failure that is affirmative action. How exactly do affirmative action and socialism fit together? The democratic party are actively vouching for socialism (see Sanders asking for more taxes for the job providers). Socialism: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies. Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialismAnd affirmative action forces employers to artificially creates quotas adjudicated by governments. Don't listen to that guy that calls people trolls because they've got a point and facts and he's got none.
I am that guy that harps on the definition of socialism and your post is legit triggering me. The USA has had taxes since the founding. We have had a tax system comparable to what we have now since the great 1986 tax reform act. Moving the rates around, say back up to what they were in the 90s before the Gingrich capital side tax cuts, would not make the USA socialist. Check the definition you quoted. Going up to 35% on capital gains or reforming the corporate profit tax so that the actual collected amount is closer to the listed 35% will not in any way result in "a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies."
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On February 26 2016 07:31 CannonsNCarriers wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 07:25 ErectedZenith wrote:On February 26 2016 07:02 Mohdoo wrote:On February 26 2016 07:00 ErectedZenith wrote:On February 26 2016 06:49 Plansix wrote:
I didn’t need Salon to tell me America’s are pretty dumb. Not much dumber than other countries, but we are not batting any higher. Trump being the front runner in the Republicans race is right in line with use electing Bush twice. The Don is the front runner for GOP is the prove that average Americans are smart enough to realize that socialism won't solve society's problems after the failure that is affirmative action. How exactly do affirmative action and socialism fit together? The democratic party are actively vouching for socialism (see Sanders asking for more taxes for the job providers). Socialism: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies. Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialismAnd affirmative action forces employers to artificially creates quotas adjudicated by governments. Don't listen to that guy that calls people trolls because they've got a point and facts and he's got none. I am that guy that harps on the definition of socialism and your post is legit triggering me. The USA has had taxes since the founding. We have had a tax system comparable to what we have now since the great 1986 tax reform act. Moving the rates around, say back up to what they were in the 90s before the Gingrich capital side tax cuts, would not make the USA socialist. Check the definition you quoted. Going up to 35% on capital gains or reforming the corporate profit tax so that the actual collected amount is closer to the listed 35% will not in any way result in "a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies."
Nobody is saying that we should get rid of taxes but not raising it.
The point is that money is a company's blood. Raising taxes doesn't help anybody except for the government and who knows if the government will ACTUALLY put those money into good use. The trust in government is at all time low.
What you want the system to do is to cut away the social welfare system and introduce a better way of utilizing the current taxes by giving people money to start their own business or make it a loan to support them into going into STEM fields.
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On February 26 2016 07:34 ErectedZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 07:31 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On February 26 2016 07:25 ErectedZenith wrote:On February 26 2016 07:02 Mohdoo wrote:On February 26 2016 07:00 ErectedZenith wrote:On February 26 2016 06:49 Plansix wrote:
I didn’t need Salon to tell me America’s are pretty dumb. Not much dumber than other countries, but we are not batting any higher. Trump being the front runner in the Republicans race is right in line with use electing Bush twice. The Don is the front runner for GOP is the prove that average Americans are smart enough to realize that socialism won't solve society's problems after the failure that is affirmative action. How exactly do affirmative action and socialism fit together? The democratic party are actively vouching for socialism (see Sanders asking for more taxes for the job providers). Socialism: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies. Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialismAnd affirmative action forces employers to artificially creates quotas adjudicated by governments. Don't listen to that guy that calls people trolls because they've got a point and facts and he's got none. I am that guy that harps on the definition of socialism and your post is legit triggering me. The USA has had taxes since the founding. We have had a tax system comparable to what we have now since the great 1986 tax reform act. Moving the rates around, say back up to what they were in the 90s before the Gingrich capital side tax cuts, would not make the USA socialist. Check the definition you quoted. Going up to 35% on capital gains or reforming the corporate profit tax so that the actual collected amount is closer to the listed 35% will not in any way result in "a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies." Nobody is saying that we should get rid of taxes but not raising it. The point is that money is a company's blood. Raising taxes doesn't help anybody except for the government and who knows if the government will ACTUALLY put those money into good use. The trust in government is at all time low. What you want the system to do is to cut away the social welfare system and introduce a better way of utilizing the current taxes by giving people money to start their own business or make it a loan to support them into going into STEM fields.
The problem is that big businesses are making record profits while barely paying taxes (if they pay any at all).
As for your other idea. 100% employment is an impossible myth. Any system that relies on it is doomed to fail.
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On February 26 2016 07:38 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2016 07:34 ErectedZenith wrote:On February 26 2016 07:31 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On February 26 2016 07:25 ErectedZenith wrote:On February 26 2016 07:02 Mohdoo wrote:On February 26 2016 07:00 ErectedZenith wrote:On February 26 2016 06:49 Plansix wrote:
I didn’t need Salon to tell me America’s are pretty dumb. Not much dumber than other countries, but we are not batting any higher. Trump being the front runner in the Republicans race is right in line with use electing Bush twice. The Don is the front runner for GOP is the prove that average Americans are smart enough to realize that socialism won't solve society's problems after the failure that is affirmative action. How exactly do affirmative action and socialism fit together? The democratic party are actively vouching for socialism (see Sanders asking for more taxes for the job providers). Socialism: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies. Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialismAnd affirmative action forces employers to artificially creates quotas adjudicated by governments. Don't listen to that guy that calls people trolls because they've got a point and facts and he's got none. I am that guy that harps on the definition of socialism and your post is legit triggering me. The USA has had taxes since the founding. We have had a tax system comparable to what we have now since the great 1986 tax reform act. Moving the rates around, say back up to what they were in the 90s before the Gingrich capital side tax cuts, would not make the USA socialist. Check the definition you quoted. Going up to 35% on capital gains or reforming the corporate profit tax so that the actual collected amount is closer to the listed 35% will not in any way result in "a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies." Nobody is saying that we should get rid of taxes but not raising it. The point is that money is a company's blood. Raising taxes doesn't help anybody except for the government and who knows if the government will ACTUALLY put those money into good use. The trust in government is at all time low. What you want the system to do is to cut away the social welfare system and introduce a better way of utilizing the current taxes by giving people money to start their own business or make it a loan to support them into going into STEM fields. The problem is that big businesses are making record profits while barely paying taxes (if they pay any at all). As for your other idea. 100% employment is an impossible myth. Any system that relies on it is doomed to fail.
Then get rid of their mechanism to escape taxes.
ACTUALLY have white collar crimes to be charged for abusing the tax system by giving harsher punishment for fraud.
100% employment is ofc impossible, kids shouldn't be forced to work. Nobody is saying that here though (are you putting words in my mouth?).
But it is something that we should strive for, giving people the necessary tools to work productively in the society.
That's how trust between humans are built.
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