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Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
January 17 2016 04:08 GMT
#55021
On January 17 2016 12:50 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2016 12:25 Doublemint wrote:
On January 17 2016 12:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Barack Obama signed an emergency declaration for Flint, Michigan, where a lead-poisoning crisis in the city’s water supply has left residents without safe water for nearly two years.

On Saturday the White House authorized the Federal Emergency Management Agency (Fema) to provide water, filters, cartridges and other supplies for 90 days. Republican governor Ricky Snyder asked Obama for help on Friday, saying emergency measures could cost $41m.

Democratic candidate for president Bernie Sanders called for Snyder to resign on Saturday, saying he has “no excuses” for the the disaster.

“The governor long ago knew about the lead in Flint’s water,” the Vermont senator said in a statement issued by his campaign. “He did nothing. As a result, hundreds of children were poisoned. Thousands may have been exposed to potential brain damage from lead. Gov[ernor] Snyder should resign.”

In April 2014, as a cost-saving measure, the city of Flint switched its main water source from Lake Huron to the Flint river. Despite reports of problems with the water from sources including General Motors, which stopped using it, residents were advised by state officials to “relax” and continue to drink it.

Sanders’ main rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, Hillary Clinton, has called such advice “unconscionable”.

Water from the Flint river has been linked to increased lead levels in children’s blood; E coli bacteria has also been found in such water. A spike in cases of Legionnaires’ disease has also been reported, though not conclusively linked to river water.


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what. in. the. fuck.

2 years? can anybody give me sufficient reason not to want to burn those officials on a stake?

not carbon neutral


good point. though you basically get rid of someone's carbon footprint at he same time. memo to self: check numbers on that one!
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 17 2016 04:47 GMT
#55022
President Obama on Saturday laid out a plan to help support the income of workers who lose their jobs and end up in lower-paying positions, as part of a push to get unemployed Americans back to work.

The proposal would offer experienced workers who now make less than $50,000 a form of wage insurance, allowing them to replace half of their lost pay. The benefit would cover up to $10,000 over two years.

"It's a way to give families some stability and encourage folks to rejoin the workforce —because we shouldn't just be talking about unemployment; we should be talking about re-employment," Obama said in his weekly radio and Internet address, broadcast on Saturday.

The wage insurance proposal will be included in a broader effort to overhaul the unemployment insurance system. Details about the program's proposed funding will be further outlined in Obama's budget for fiscal year 2017 expected to be released next month.

Obama promised in his State of the Union earlier this week to advocate for legislative action on issues with bipartisan support during his last year in office. During the address, he pointed to wage insurance as one measure where lawmakers may be able to work together.


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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24125 Posts
January 17 2016 06:08 GMT
#55023
Well Hillary has released a slew of attacks against Bernie lately (that have failed spectacularly and raised millions for Bernie) so I expect this to be the best debate so far.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-17 14:32:08
January 17 2016 14:30 GMT
#55024
Looks like Trump is haphazardly trying to convince low information voters that he's big time into Jesus. It'll probably work. He's probably getting coached into going for the low hanging fruits.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
JW_DTLA
Profile Joined December 2015
242 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-17 16:52:41
January 17 2016 16:51 GMT
#55025
On January 17 2016 23:30 Djzapz wrote:
Looks like Trump is haphazardly trying to convince low information voters that he's big time into Jesus. It'll probably work. He's probably getting coached into going for the low hanging fruits.


This is his real Achilles heel. The serious mechachurch crowd know he has been a pro-choice, secular, urban, liberal for the last 40 years. Trump's message that he can be the dictator that the lumpen proletariat need against an ever changing world simply won't work on people who define their lives by their faith. People of faith know the difference.

//Not that I don't also think Cruz is a phony. Bush2 had a legitimate born again experience after his heart attack and he gave up his life of drinking as a result. Cruz is just a sleazy Harvard grad whose cleverness and ambition let him say anything he wants.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
January 17 2016 17:42 GMT
#55026
On January 18 2016 01:51 JW_DTLA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2016 23:30 Djzapz wrote:
Looks like Trump is haphazardly trying to convince low information voters that he's big time into Jesus. It'll probably work. He's probably getting coached into going for the low hanging fruits.


This is his real Achilles heel. The serious mechachurch crowd know he has been a pro-choice, secular, urban, liberal for the last 40 years. Trump's message that he can be the dictator that the lumpen proletariat need against an ever changing world simply won't work on people who define their lives by their faith. People of faith know the difference.

//Not that I don't also think Cruz is a phony. Bush2 had a legitimate born again experience after his heart attack and he gave up his life of drinking as a result. Cruz is just a sleazy Harvard grad whose cleverness and ambition let him say anything he wants.


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Otherwise, though, that part of the electorate won't vote any other way. There are no pastors on the ballot this time around. Trump only has to not look like Satan and he'll be fine.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-17 18:06:35
January 17 2016 18:03 GMT
#55027
There may not be any pastors in the running this time around (yes, I ain't counting the Huckster ), but I think the religious vote is going to look a bit different this time around in light of the fact that the world bastion of conservative Christianity, the Catholic Church, is lead by a man who espouses quite a few progressive values. While I don't think this will shake the mechachurch crowd, I do believe that a lot of religious folk who would otherwise unthinkingly vote Republican are going to look at things through a different lens now that a Pope has so publicly spoken on topics that figure prominently into the national debate.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-17 18:38:52
January 17 2016 18:34 GMT
#55028
Catholics are Republican voters? I thought they voted for Obama in both elections.

Also, in the swing state that I live in, most of the conservative voters that I know (many of whom are southern baptists) do not even consider Catholics to be Christian. Just fyi.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-17 18:42:09
January 17 2016 18:41 GMT
#55029
The Catholic vote itself has always been a bit of a two-way street in that they appreciate a liberal emphasis on helping the poor while also maintaining a lot of conservative social values, and you are right to point out that Obama appropriately seized on that opportunity the past two election cycles. And yes, it isn't exactly a secret that many sects of protestant/evangelical Christianity look down upon Catholics (see the collected works of Flannery O'Connor, for example). Still, I think it'd be a mistake to overlook the changing face of religious influence on voters in light of the fact that pretty much everyone in Christianity but the evangelicals is changing how they assert their faith relative to political discourse.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5000 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-17 18:46:18
January 17 2016 18:44 GMT
#55030
Protestants don't take cues from the Pope.

Edit:there are protestant denominations that are changing, but you can be sure it's not because of the Catholic church.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
January 17 2016 18:45 GMT
#55031
lol, Protestants have been saying that since the reformation. Still as untrue now as it was then.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5000 Posts
January 17 2016 18:48 GMT
#55032
On January 18 2016 03:45 farvacola wrote:
lol, Protestants have been saying that since the reformation. Still as untrue now as it was then.


I would use the distinct word of influence. But especially in the US, where there are fewer Catholics, it matters less. I've been reading about the liberalisation of large denominations for a number of years.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
January 17 2016 20:31 GMT
#55033
On January 18 2016 03:45 farvacola wrote:
lol, Protestants have been saying that since the reformation. Still as untrue now as it was then.


You got us. Reformation was all the pope's idea.

Or maybe mainline prots have been getting on board the socially liberal train for many years, teh Catholics are thinking about it, and the evangelicals are as disorganized in this as in everything else.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
January 17 2016 21:38 GMT
#55034
Still some time to go till the democratic debate but there is a livestream up on youtube for those interested.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
January 17 2016 23:37 GMT
#55035
On January 18 2016 06:38 Kickstart wrote:
Still some time to go till the democratic debate but there is a livestream up on youtube for those interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2Nokoq1J4

Were any of the GOP debates livestreamed? I only remember them being behind cable/paywalls/bootleg sites.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14155 Posts
January 17 2016 23:37 GMT
#55036
Theres a difference between the SDA/southern methodist prots and the luthern/covenent prots.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5000 Posts
January 18 2016 00:12 GMT
#55037
On January 18 2016 08:37 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2016 06:38 Kickstart wrote:
Still some time to go till the democratic debate but there is a livestream up on youtube for those interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2Nokoq1J4

Were any of the GOP debates livestreamed? I only remember them being behind cable/paywalls/bootleg sites.


If memory serves, all of them were free on the internet, no paywalls applied.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24125 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-18 01:27:06
January 18 2016 01:25 GMT
#55038
On January 18 2016 09:12 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2016 08:37 aksfjh wrote:
On January 18 2016 06:38 Kickstart wrote:
Still some time to go till the democratic debate but there is a livestream up on youtube for those interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2Nokoq1J4

Were any of the GOP debates livestreamed? I only remember them being behind cable/paywalls/bootleg sites.


If memory serves, all of them were free on the internet, no paywalls applied.


I feel like the first FBN and CNBC debates weren't available free through legitimate means. But I could be wrong.

I think at minimum they all gave the impression you would get cut off from a "free preview" if you didn't pay (regardless of whether it would or not).
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5000 Posts
January 18 2016 01:42 GMT
#55039
On January 18 2016 10:25 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2016 09:12 Introvert wrote:
On January 18 2016 08:37 aksfjh wrote:
On January 18 2016 06:38 Kickstart wrote:
Still some time to go till the democratic debate but there is a livestream up on youtube for those interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2Nokoq1J4

Were any of the GOP debates livestreamed? I only remember them being behind cable/paywalls/bootleg sites.


If memory serves, all of them were free on the internet, no paywalls applied.


I feel like the first FBN and CNBC debates weren't available free through legitimate means. But I could be wrong.

I think at minimum they all gave the impression you would get cut off from a "free preview" if you didn't pay (regardless of whether it would or not).


I'm pretty sure I watched the first FBN on their website, because it looked familiar when I went there the other day. Could be wrong though.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
January 18 2016 02:17 GMT
#55040
Is nobody covering the Democrat's debate?
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