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On December 08 2015 22:54 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2015 12:28 Bigtony wrote:On December 08 2015 12:14 oneofthem wrote:On December 08 2015 09:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:The World Trade Organization (WTO) ruled Monday that Canada and Mexico can slap more than $1 billion in tariffs on U.S. goods in retaliation for meat labeling rules it says discriminated against Mexican and Canadian livestock.
At issue were U.S. labels on packaged steaks and other cuts of meat that say where the animals were born, raised and slaughtered.
The WTO has previously found that the so-called "country of origin" labeling law put Canadian and Mexican livestock at a disadvantage. It ruled Monday that Canada could impose $780 million in retaliatory tariffs and Mexico could impose $228 million.
"We are disappointed with this decision and its potential impact on trade among vital North American partners," said Tim Reif, general counsel for the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative.
The labels are supported by some U.S. ranchers and by consumer groups. They are opposed by meatpackers who say they require costly paperwork.
The WTO's decision shifts responsibility to Congress, which is considering working a repeal of the labeling law into a massive year-end spending bill.
Senate Agriculture Chairman Pat Roberts, R-Kansas, said Monday that he will look for "all legislative opportunities" to repeal the labeling law. "We must prevent retaliation, and we must do it now before these sanctions take effect," Roberts said. Source get rekt farm lobby hahaha More like get rekt consumers. Why shouldn't meat be labeled by country of origin? I want to know if my beef is american or foreign, especially if any of the processing is taking place in China. are you for real? as long as the meat is objectively the same, labeling is simply protectionism using ridiculous 'consumer' bias.
Stupid Americans wanting to buy stupid american goods, stupid!
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On December 08 2015 23:47 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2015 22:54 oneofthem wrote:On December 08 2015 12:28 Bigtony wrote:On December 08 2015 12:14 oneofthem wrote:On December 08 2015 09:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:The World Trade Organization (WTO) ruled Monday that Canada and Mexico can slap more than $1 billion in tariffs on U.S. goods in retaliation for meat labeling rules it says discriminated against Mexican and Canadian livestock.
At issue were U.S. labels on packaged steaks and other cuts of meat that say where the animals were born, raised and slaughtered.
The WTO has previously found that the so-called "country of origin" labeling law put Canadian and Mexican livestock at a disadvantage. It ruled Monday that Canada could impose $780 million in retaliatory tariffs and Mexico could impose $228 million.
"We are disappointed with this decision and its potential impact on trade among vital North American partners," said Tim Reif, general counsel for the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative.
The labels are supported by some U.S. ranchers and by consumer groups. They are opposed by meatpackers who say they require costly paperwork.
The WTO's decision shifts responsibility to Congress, which is considering working a repeal of the labeling law into a massive year-end spending bill.
Senate Agriculture Chairman Pat Roberts, R-Kansas, said Monday that he will look for "all legislative opportunities" to repeal the labeling law. "We must prevent retaliation, and we must do it now before these sanctions take effect," Roberts said. Source get rekt farm lobby hahaha More like get rekt consumers. Why shouldn't meat be labeled by country of origin? I want to know if my beef is american or foreign, especially if any of the processing is taking place in China. are you for real? as long as the meat is objectively the same, labeling is simply protectionism using ridiculous 'consumer' bias. Stupid Americans wanting to buy stupid american goods, stupid!
Stupid Mexico and Canada wanting the trade agreement they signed to be enforced by all parties.
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On December 08 2015 23:49 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2015 23:47 heliusx wrote:On December 08 2015 22:54 oneofthem wrote:On December 08 2015 12:28 Bigtony wrote:On December 08 2015 12:14 oneofthem wrote:On December 08 2015 09:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:The World Trade Organization (WTO) ruled Monday that Canada and Mexico can slap more than $1 billion in tariffs on U.S. goods in retaliation for meat labeling rules it says discriminated against Mexican and Canadian livestock.
At issue were U.S. labels on packaged steaks and other cuts of meat that say where the animals were born, raised and slaughtered.
The WTO has previously found that the so-called "country of origin" labeling law put Canadian and Mexican livestock at a disadvantage. It ruled Monday that Canada could impose $780 million in retaliatory tariffs and Mexico could impose $228 million.
"We are disappointed with this decision and its potential impact on trade among vital North American partners," said Tim Reif, general counsel for the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative.
The labels are supported by some U.S. ranchers and by consumer groups. They are opposed by meatpackers who say they require costly paperwork.
The WTO's decision shifts responsibility to Congress, which is considering working a repeal of the labeling law into a massive year-end spending bill.
Senate Agriculture Chairman Pat Roberts, R-Kansas, said Monday that he will look for "all legislative opportunities" to repeal the labeling law. "We must prevent retaliation, and we must do it now before these sanctions take effect," Roberts said. Source get rekt farm lobby hahaha More like get rekt consumers. Why shouldn't meat be labeled by country of origin? I want to know if my beef is american or foreign, especially if any of the processing is taking place in China. are you for real? as long as the meat is objectively the same, labeling is simply protectionism using ridiculous 'consumer' bias. Stupid Americans wanting to buy stupid american goods, stupid! Stupid Mexico and Canada wanting the trade agreement they signed to be enforced by all parties.
They aren't stupid they're smart. They know Americans will buy American meat over foreign meat. Stupid trade agreement. It is kind of funny he calls it protectionism, what exactly would you call hiding the origin so that people can't tell if it's the american meat they prefer or the Canadian meat?
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I'm hearing that Trump's campaign apparently went out of its way to clarify that Trump's Muslim travel ban would also basically revoke the citizenship of US Muslim citizen traveling out of the country. That's rich.
This guy isn't even religious so he's not even running on conservative christians, he's running off of pure racism and ignorance, it's insane.
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That awkward moment when you actually agree with Dick Cheney.
Republican rivals condemn Trump's call to stop Muslims entering US
Presidential rivals and former vice-president Dick Cheney join Clinton and White House in voicing outrage over billionaire’s call.
The White House, Hillary Clinton, former vice-president Dick Cheney and rivals for the Republican 2016 presidential nomination have lined up to criticise Donald Trump after he called for a ban on all Muslims entering the US.
Trump, the Republican party’s leading contender to be nominee for US president, called for a “total and complete shutdown” of the country’s borders to Muslims in the wake of the San Bernardino terrorist attack.
Trump made his most extreme pledge yet – in a race in which he has consistently courted controversy over race and immigration – in a statement released to the media through his presidential campaign team.
Clinton, the frontrunner for the Democratic party’s nomination, tweeted that Trump’s idea was “reprehensible, prejudiced and divisive” and criticism came from Republican presidential hopefuls Chris Christie, the New Jersey governor, Sen Marco Rubio of Florida and Jeb Bush.
Cheney said the idea “goes against everything we stand for and believe in” and White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Trump was “seeking to tap into a darker side, a darker element, and try to play on people’s fears in order to build support for his campaign”. ~ excerpt from http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/08/donald-trump-muslims-us-republican-rivals-condemn?CMP=fb_us
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On December 08 2015 23:58 Djzapz wrote:
I'm hearing that Trump's campaign apparently went out of its way to clarify that Trump's Muslim travel ban would also basically revoke the citizenship of US Muslim citizen traveling out of the country. That's rich.
This guy isn't even religious so he's not even running on conservative christians, he's running off of pure racism and ignorance, it's insane.
There are a lot of experts are radicalization and extremism warning that when Trump can’t deliver(which he can’t) his supporters will turn to more extreme groups for what they want. That populism like the kind Trump is selling leads to frustration and anger due to the unrealistic expectations set by the “leaders”. This has gone well beyond a joke at this point and Trump need to hype his supporters up against minority groups is dangerous.
And the news networks are not helping, but they aren’t used to the idea of social responsibility or their influence can be used to harm people. We might have to learn that one that hard way.
Edit: Dick Cheney folks. Let everyone wrap our heads around that. The guy who thought that torture was a good thing for national security and the public discourse was the best place to voice that opinion.
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If Trump's Muslim ban comments don't kill his campaign, what does that say about his viability?
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On December 08 2015 23:54 heliusx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2015 23:49 Plansix wrote:On December 08 2015 23:47 heliusx wrote:On December 08 2015 22:54 oneofthem wrote:On December 08 2015 12:28 Bigtony wrote:On December 08 2015 12:14 oneofthem wrote:On December 08 2015 09:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:The World Trade Organization (WTO) ruled Monday that Canada and Mexico can slap more than $1 billion in tariffs on U.S. goods in retaliation for meat labeling rules it says discriminated against Mexican and Canadian livestock.
At issue were U.S. labels on packaged steaks and other cuts of meat that say where the animals were born, raised and slaughtered.
The WTO has previously found that the so-called "country of origin" labeling law put Canadian and Mexican livestock at a disadvantage. It ruled Monday that Canada could impose $780 million in retaliatory tariffs and Mexico could impose $228 million.
"We are disappointed with this decision and its potential impact on trade among vital North American partners," said Tim Reif, general counsel for the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative.
The labels are supported by some U.S. ranchers and by consumer groups. They are opposed by meatpackers who say they require costly paperwork.
The WTO's decision shifts responsibility to Congress, which is considering working a repeal of the labeling law into a massive year-end spending bill.
Senate Agriculture Chairman Pat Roberts, R-Kansas, said Monday that he will look for "all legislative opportunities" to repeal the labeling law. "We must prevent retaliation, and we must do it now before these sanctions take effect," Roberts said. Source get rekt farm lobby hahaha More like get rekt consumers. Why shouldn't meat be labeled by country of origin? I want to know if my beef is american or foreign, especially if any of the processing is taking place in China. are you for real? as long as the meat is objectively the same, labeling is simply protectionism using ridiculous 'consumer' bias. Stupid Americans wanting to buy stupid american goods, stupid! Stupid Mexico and Canada wanting the trade agreement they signed to be enforced by all parties. They aren't stupid they're smart. They know Americans will buy American meat over foreign meat. Stupid trade agreement. It is kind of funny he calls it protectionism, what exactly would you call hiding the origin so that people can't tell if it's the american meat they prefer or the Canadian meat?
american ranchers always label their stuff. it's the forcing other people to label their stuff that's the problem.
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On December 09 2015 00:10 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2015 23:54 heliusx wrote:On December 08 2015 23:49 Plansix wrote:On December 08 2015 23:47 heliusx wrote:On December 08 2015 22:54 oneofthem wrote:On December 08 2015 12:28 Bigtony wrote:On December 08 2015 12:14 oneofthem wrote:On December 08 2015 09:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:The World Trade Organization (WTO) ruled Monday that Canada and Mexico can slap more than $1 billion in tariffs on U.S. goods in retaliation for meat labeling rules it says discriminated against Mexican and Canadian livestock.
At issue were U.S. labels on packaged steaks and other cuts of meat that say where the animals were born, raised and slaughtered.
The WTO has previously found that the so-called "country of origin" labeling law put Canadian and Mexican livestock at a disadvantage. It ruled Monday that Canada could impose $780 million in retaliatory tariffs and Mexico could impose $228 million.
"We are disappointed with this decision and its potential impact on trade among vital North American partners," said Tim Reif, general counsel for the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative.
The labels are supported by some U.S. ranchers and by consumer groups. They are opposed by meatpackers who say they require costly paperwork.
The WTO's decision shifts responsibility to Congress, which is considering working a repeal of the labeling law into a massive year-end spending bill.
Senate Agriculture Chairman Pat Roberts, R-Kansas, said Monday that he will look for "all legislative opportunities" to repeal the labeling law. "We must prevent retaliation, and we must do it now before these sanctions take effect," Roberts said. Source get rekt farm lobby hahaha More like get rekt consumers. Why shouldn't meat be labeled by country of origin? I want to know if my beef is american or foreign, especially if any of the processing is taking place in China. are you for real? as long as the meat is objectively the same, labeling is simply protectionism using ridiculous 'consumer' bias. Stupid Americans wanting to buy stupid american goods, stupid! Stupid Mexico and Canada wanting the trade agreement they signed to be enforced by all parties. They aren't stupid they're smart. They know Americans will buy American meat over foreign meat. Stupid trade agreement. It is kind of funny he calls it protectionism, what exactly would you call hiding the origin so that people can't tell if it's the american meat they prefer or the Canadian meat? american ranchers always label their stuff. it's the forcing other people to label their stuff that's the problem.
That makes more sense. Thanks for the clarification.
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On December 09 2015 00:08 Mohdoo wrote:
If Trump's Muslim ban comments don't kill his campaign, what does that say about his viability?
His campaign is self funded, nothing can kill it. It's just a question if the media stops covering him for cheap views.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dear-media-stop-freaking-out-about-donald-trumps-polls/
Nate Silver said it best. The number of people for Trump is roughly equal to the number of people who think the moon landing is fake.
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Hes just as nonviable as he has ever been, if not more so. The whatever percent of the far right that is in love with him at the moment isn't representative of views on him nationwide. People are pretty good at living in bubbles in general, and the Trump bubble is one of them.
He is just living off of the attention, he is on the 24 hour news channels every damn day at this point.
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The internet and US for profit news networks have become a series of echo chambers.
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On December 09 2015 00:08 Mohdoo wrote:
If Trump's Muslim ban comments don't kill his campaign, what does that say about his viability?
Probably nothing; Trump's base has already shown itself as one that enjoys this kind of reactionary rhetoric, so this is really just a slightly more inflammatory bit of the same. What it will do, however, is ossify the anti-Trump movement, particularly among the Republicans.
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On December 09 2015 00:15 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 00:08 Mohdoo wrote:
If Trump's Muslim ban comments don't kill his campaign, what does that say about his viability? Probably nothing; Trump's base has already shown itself as one that enjoys this kind of reactionary rhetoric, so this is really just a slightly more inflammatory bit of the same. What it will do, however, is ossify the anti-Trump movement, particularly among the Republicans.
I agree. I'm sure that 99% of people who aren't going to vote for him realized that a while ago. This is just one of many absurd statements he's made; if nothing he's said up until now has turned off a voter, then this probably won't either.
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trump is being quite a bit more reckless than i'd like to see. republicans are not disagreeing with him, just think that his lack of control may be a liability.
he needs to go more wonkish for a bit.
cruz though, fuck that guy. trump needs to siphon some of this guy's votes
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Ironically or not the only GOP contender that hasn't denounced Trump. Cruz.
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On December 09 2015 00:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Ironically or not the only GOP contender that hasn't denounced Trump. Cruz.
He wants the anti-Muslim vote that Trump has been carrying. Cruz doesn't care how he gets into power, as long as he gets there.
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Cruz is just so, so, so vile.
I never feel like that about anyone, but he's just an absolute creep. Probably the first and only stranger I had a deep, visceral gut feeling of disgust for.
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Yes I can agree with that. Other candidates come off as evil, greedy, calculating etc. on both Democrats and Republicans. But at least they have some sort of rationale. Cruz on the other hand combines the lovely qualities of being insane AND ignorant, a mad dog who only desires power if you will.
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