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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 08 2015 18:16 GMT
#52561
On December 09 2015 03:13 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 03:02 Plansix wrote:
On December 09 2015 02:58 ticklishmusic wrote:
At least Voldemort wasn't an asshole.

He was a pretty big jerk, but he also wore that evil on his sleeve and catered at least catered to the rich and privileged. I can respect someone who makes no bones about being evil.

Voldemort didn't order his friends to toss the baby that harry still was out of the window to kill him that way after he tried to kill him and failed.
Voldemort at least let him grow up until he was 14 or whatever it was. Can you say Trump would do that? I think not,


Voldemort, that guy. He couldn't even take out a defenseless baby, blocked by the power of "love". So weak! So what did he do instead? He waited. He waited for the baby to grow and then they fought. And what happened? He lost! I'll tell ya, that's not what I'm going to do. We're not going to wait, we're going to be great again.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-08 18:19:40
December 08 2015 18:17 GMT
#52562
On December 09 2015 03:14 oneofthem wrote:
that's because trump isn't a dumbass lmfao. harry would have gotten so fucked up if anyone other than voldemort was running the show


Agreed. Crookshanks could more efficiently devise a plan to rule the world than Voldemort.

Voldemort is about as smart as every character in the Star Wars prequels besides Sidious (which is to say he is barely functional).
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 08 2015 18:18 GMT
#52563
On December 09 2015 03:14 oneofthem wrote:
that's because trump isn't a dumbass lmfao. harry would have gotten so fucked up if anyone other than voldemort was running the show

I am pretty sure Harry would have been ignored if anyone other than Voldemort was in charge. Those books are pretty clear that Voldemort's obsessive need to overcome all problems with his own magic is what makes him power and his weakness.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 08 2015 18:19 GMT
#52564
On December 09 2015 03:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 03:13 Toadesstern wrote:
On December 09 2015 03:02 Plansix wrote:
On December 09 2015 02:58 ticklishmusic wrote:
At least Voldemort wasn't an asshole.

He was a pretty big jerk, but he also wore that evil on his sleeve and catered at least catered to the rich and privileged. I can respect someone who makes no bones about being evil.

Voldemort didn't order his friends to toss the baby that harry still was out of the window to kill him that way after he tried to kill him and failed.
Voldemort at least let him grow up until he was 14 or whatever it was. Can you say Trump would do that? I think not,


Voldemort, that guy. He couldn't even take out a defenseless baby, blocked by the power of "love". So weak! So what did he do instead? He waited. He waited for the baby to grow and then they fought. And what happened? He lost! I'll tell ya, that's not what I'm going to do. We're not going to wait, we're going to be great again.

We're at war. It's a war we're dealing with! You know, when you're at war you have to do those things. I'm not going to wait even a second to stomp the face of an infant. You can't let them grow up and give them the chance to turn into terrorists when you're at war!
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
December 08 2015 18:21 GMT
#52565
Thread sure took an interesting turn.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 08 2015 18:23 GMT
#52566
I would point out that Voldemort only tried to murder one baby and his family directly. Trump has pushed for us to kill the families of all ISIS members. That is about 30-50K people by most estimates. So around 30K families on the off chance they produce more terrorist.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 08 2015 18:30 GMT
#52567
On December 09 2015 03:19 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 03:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On December 09 2015 03:13 Toadesstern wrote:
On December 09 2015 03:02 Plansix wrote:
On December 09 2015 02:58 ticklishmusic wrote:
At least Voldemort wasn't an asshole.

He was a pretty big jerk, but he also wore that evil on his sleeve and catered at least catered to the rich and privileged. I can respect someone who makes no bones about being evil.

Voldemort didn't order his friends to toss the baby that harry still was out of the window to kill him that way after he tried to kill him and failed.
Voldemort at least let him grow up until he was 14 or whatever it was. Can you say Trump would do that? I think not,


Voldemort, that guy. He couldn't even take out a defenseless baby, blocked by the power of "love". So weak! So what did he do instead? He waited. He waited for the baby to grow and then they fought. And what happened? He lost! I'll tell ya, that's not what I'm going to do. We're not going to wait, we're going to be great again.

We're at war. It's a war we're dealing with! You know, when you're at war you have to do those things. I'm not going to wait even a second to stomp the face of an infant. You can't let them grow up and give them the chance to turn into terrorists when you're at war!


That Voldemort guy. He's a loser. I could tell just from looking at him. He has no hair. How can you trust a man like that to get anything accomplished?
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
December 08 2015 18:32 GMT
#52568
On December 09 2015 03:14 oneofthem wrote:
that's because trump isn't a dumbass lmfao. harry would have gotten so fucked up if anyone other than voldemort was running the show


Trump vs Harry Potter - the battle we've all been waiting for
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45110 Posts
December 08 2015 18:38 GMT
#52569
On December 09 2015 03:32 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 03:14 oneofthem wrote:
that's because trump isn't a dumbass lmfao. harry would have gotten so fucked up if anyone other than voldemort was running the show


Trump vs Harry Potter - the battle we've all been waiting for


Voldemort vs. Trump:

He who shall not be named vs. He who shall not be broke.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 08 2015 18:40 GMT
#52570
On December 09 2015 03:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 03:19 Toadesstern wrote:
On December 09 2015 03:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On December 09 2015 03:13 Toadesstern wrote:
On December 09 2015 03:02 Plansix wrote:
On December 09 2015 02:58 ticklishmusic wrote:
At least Voldemort wasn't an asshole.

He was a pretty big jerk, but he also wore that evil on his sleeve and catered at least catered to the rich and privileged. I can respect someone who makes no bones about being evil.

Voldemort didn't order his friends to toss the baby that harry still was out of the window to kill him that way after he tried to kill him and failed.
Voldemort at least let him grow up until he was 14 or whatever it was. Can you say Trump would do that? I think not,


Voldemort, that guy. He couldn't even take out a defenseless baby, blocked by the power of "love". So weak! So what did he do instead? He waited. He waited for the baby to grow and then they fought. And what happened? He lost! I'll tell ya, that's not what I'm going to do. We're not going to wait, we're going to be great again.

We're at war. It's a war we're dealing with! You know, when you're at war you have to do those things. I'm not going to wait even a second to stomp the face of an infant. You can't let them grow up and give them the chance to turn into terrorists when you're at war!


That Voldemort guy. He's a loser. I could tell just from looking at him. He has no hair. How can you trust a man like that to get anything accomplished?

man I lost it at that point
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
December 08 2015 19:21 GMT
#52571
Versions of these bumper stickers were popular in NoHo a few years back:

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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
December 08 2015 19:35 GMT
#52572
On December 09 2015 03:17 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 03:14 oneofthem wrote:
that's because trump isn't a dumbass lmfao. harry would have gotten so fucked up if anyone other than voldemort was running the show


Agreed. Crookshanks could more efficiently devise a plan to rule the world than Voldemort.

Voldemort is about as smart as every character in the Star Wars prequels besides Sidious (which is to say he is barely functional).

I disagree! Senator Bail Organa was also fairly smart.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43298 Posts
December 08 2015 19:50 GMT
#52573
On December 09 2015 04:35 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 03:17 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On December 09 2015 03:14 oneofthem wrote:
that's because trump isn't a dumbass lmfao. harry would have gotten so fucked up if anyone other than voldemort was running the show


Agreed. Crookshanks could more efficiently devise a plan to rule the world than Voldemort.

Voldemort is about as smart as every character in the Star Wars prequels besides Sidious (which is to say he is barely functional).

I disagree! Senator Bail Organa was also fairly smart.

I don't like sand. It's coarse and it gets in things. But I like you Padme. Because you're not sand. Fuck sand.


Quality dialogue there by Lucas.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 08 2015 20:28 GMT
#52574
Here's an alternative take on Trump and his bombastic comments on Muslims (and everything else) by none other than Rush Limbaugh. I'm not sure that I agree, but it's certainly interesting.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 08 2015 20:37 GMT
#52575
That website might be a warcrime. Just wow.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 08 2015 20:41 GMT
#52576
Though this is gonna sound kind of stupid, but I took like 3 classes on negotiations while in business school. There was quite a bit of game theory, social psych, etc. involved as well as semi-practical application-- simulated scenarios and the like.

Trump's approach looks kind of okay, but generally it's not sustainable.

First,there are generally two big factors you want to consider: long-term and short-term. Trump's way is a not terrible way to get short-term gains-- you come out good on the terms of the deal by essentially browbeating the guy on the other side of the table. But then you have to consider long-term things, like relationships. Maybe we get a wall out of Mexico. Okay. Mexico is now pissed at us. They'll retaliate in all sorts of ways and make our lives that much more difficult. Who knows, maybe they sue us over agricultural regulations.

Second, people catch on. It's the classic boy who cried wolf effect. You can say something extreme and then let the compromise be what you actually want. That's not gonna work more than a couple times.

There's a bunch more, but that's a couple of the more salient points about Trump's negotiating strategy. I'll bet the vast majority of stuff in his business is done by other people anyways. You know who actually is a good negotiator? Warren Buffet. He doesn't have charisma or whatever like Steve Jobs, but he knows how to bring people together, get what he wants, and create value.

Oh yeah, I count as Trump audience cuz I think he's hilarious. I won't vote for him though. Viewership and media exposure =/= support. I mean, Floyd Mayweather is great for the PPV people. Doesn't mean that tons of people hate his guts.
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Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
December 08 2015 21:06 GMT
#52577
The more the media and establishment oppose trump,the stronger he will become.
What the establishment fails to see is that people are sick of them, they are sick of all the professional career politicians.
And that's why trump has a decent shot,despite all his flaws and all his messing up that people claim he does.

After seeing the opposition against him from the media the past days,i start to fear a bit if he will make it.
People who are not part of the establishment almost never make.
Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
December 08 2015 21:08 GMT
#52578
On December 09 2015 03:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 03:13 Toadesstern wrote:
On December 09 2015 03:02 Plansix wrote:
On December 09 2015 02:58 ticklishmusic wrote:
At least Voldemort wasn't an asshole.

He was a pretty big jerk, but he also wore that evil on his sleeve and catered at least catered to the rich and privileged. I can respect someone who makes no bones about being evil.

Voldemort didn't order his friends to toss the baby that harry still was out of the window to kill him that way after he tried to kill him and failed.
Voldemort at least let him grow up until he was 14 or whatever it was. Can you say Trump would do that? I think not,


Voldemort, that guy. He couldn't even take out a defenseless baby, blocked by the power of "love". So weak! So what did he do instead? He waited. He waited for the baby to grow and then they fought. And what happened? He lost! I'll tell ya, that's not what I'm going to do. We're not going to wait, we're going to be great again.


lol that's pretty brilliant.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45110 Posts
December 08 2015 21:20 GMT
#52579
On December 09 2015 05:28 xDaunt wrote:
Here's an alternative take on Trump and his bombastic comments on Muslims (and everything else) by none other than Rush Limbaugh. I'm not sure that I agree, but it's certainly interesting.


How can you not be sure if you disagree? Rush is poison.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
December 08 2015 21:40 GMT
#52580
On December 09 2015 05:28 xDaunt wrote:
Here's an alternative take on Trump and his bombastic comments on Muslims (and everything else) by none other than Rush Limbaugh. I'm not sure that I agree, but it's certainly interesting.



Off course this is the case,did people realy take trumps comments literally?
You have to see it from his perspective.
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