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oneofthem
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On September 28 2015 03:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Mmmmm Pope Francis. Oh baby. Over the past few years I've been an atheist/ borderline antitheist (despite being born and raised Catholic), and my friends have been asking me my opinion on the Pope visiting the United States. Let me put it this way: -Seeing as how Pope Francis is one of the most progressive and open-minded popes we've ever had... -Seeing as how the Republican party was salivating at the idea of the Pope coming to America and whipping the Democrats into shape... -Seeing as how the Pope reinforced a ton of liberal ideas and slammed plenty of conservative ones (e.g., turns out the Pope is against the death penalty, defends the Iran Deal, believes that we should be actively tackling climate change, thinks that we should be welcoming and taking care of refugees, etc.)... -Seeing as how the conservatives are completely stunned and super pissed about the Pope's comments... -Seeing as how we're already hearing the Republicans do a 180 and go from respecting the Pope's authority to stating that he shouldn't be involved in politics at all... I'm pretty okay with how things turned out  And I'm definitely a fan of this Pope.He even turned the "religious liberty" issue against conservatives. Was pretty impressive. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
I mean, we know this already. I just can't wait for the sane conservative backlash against the Tea Party. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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oneofthem
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Simply removing Boehner/pressuring for his resignation is a step in the right direction. I hope whoever's next builds back a GOP message coming from the House. He'll have to lead quite a diverse collection of factions and a pissed off base (see:Trump/Carson poll numbers) if he chooses to lead at all. | ||
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oneofthem
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Nyxisto
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21961 Posts
On September 28 2015 07:03 Nyxisto wrote: what is the gop strategy long term actually? The more radical they get the more votes they'll lose and the demographic development of the US isn't playing in their favour. How do they want to win an election if they'll continue to throw all the halfway sane people out? I mentioned it before but imo the radicals don't have a long term plan. They care about their re-election and not about losing the national vote for the foreseeable future. Ofc the GOP leadership has a more long term view but they are no longer in control. They invited the crazies in to boost their numbers and they have lost the reins to them. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 28 2015 04:58 Jibba wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/27/republican-hard-liners-are-false-prophets-boehner-says/ I mean, we know this already. I just can't wait for the sane conservative backlash against the Tea Party. The best part is when they whine about him being mean, calling them crazy and unrealistic. That the "Democrats don't talk about their base like that" as they charge forward to shut down the government for a second time despite overwhelming opposition for them to so. They couldn't paint a clearer picture as to what is wrong with the country if they tried. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14048 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On September 28 2015 06:59 oneofthem wrote: you want to shut down the government for planned parenthood? lmao You pretty much exemplify the bait-and-switch attitude of the Democrat party and some media outlets. If maintenance and growth in the funding of PP is the holy ordinance of government, maybe we need more separation of church and state. I think funds would be well-spent in an investigation of sales to biotech firms and procedures towards fetal research and not mother wellness. But if you're Clinton, maybe you'd prefer to believe that you "answered all those questions back in Arkansas." On September 28 2015 07:03 Nyxisto wrote: They have an opportunity to redefine elected opposition to Obama's policies and the leftward lurch in the last decade or so. One start to this would be stop defining sane policies by contrasting them against the policies of the social democracies of Europe.what is the gop strategy long term actually? The more radical they get the more votes they'll lose and the demographic development of the US isn't playing in their favour. How do they want to win an election if they'll continue to throw all the halfway sane people out? No news flash here, but the enlightened left will always smugly check off who qualifies as radical and who qualifies as sane/moderate/center. It's a slick exercise in diminishing views you disagree with, similar to discounting solutions involving a smaller reach in government in favor of so-called smarter approaches to a similar and expanded reach of government in markets. See Cowboy's reminder on rooting discourse in vilification. It's hard to debate ideas when the first words out involve bad-faith efforts to paint the other guy a 'radical' and to question his/her/their sanity. Back to the future Speaker of the House, he or she would do well to address the American people with the plan say why it will work. With the media spin of secondary reporting, maybe a good fourth with get out and see there really is two directions for America. On September 28 2015 07:07 Gorsameth wrote: Too many care about their re-election and hoping against hope the nation's left will deem them not-radical-enough for their notice. That's the establishment having a piss-poor plan, but it does involve donor dollars for re-election and courting favorable reviews from liberal rags. The Tea Party candidates, with some uncomfortable fellow-travelers, will look to replace and influence enough leadership to present a clear alternative to the voting populace. You might as well vote Democrat if the Republican in the race doesn't have a platform besides "Me Too."I mentioned it before but imo the radicals don't have a long term plan. They care about their re-election and not about losing the national vote for the foreseeable future. Ofc the GOP leadership has a more long term view but they are no longer in control. They invited the crazies in to boost their numbers and they have lost the reins to them. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14048 Posts
Most of what your complaining about is just good politics that the republicans beat the liberals down with before they got smart as to how the game works in the information age. Social issues really arn't anything you should be dieing over. Merkel in germany was a model republican and was able to keep her seat by simply ignoring social positions as they became untenable. Theres no reason why a smart GOP wouldn't just shake off most of the problems the tea party is giveing them. TLDR people like you are the problem in the GOP not the solution. people will vote republican instead of democrat because of the image of the republican party and the image of the democrat party. | ||
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whatisthisasheep
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
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whatisthisasheep
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On September 28 2015 10:31 OuchyDathurts wrote: That's Scott Pelley, not Charlie Rose My mistake. Rose did the Putin interview right before trump. Should be interesting to see Trumps tax plan tomorrow And now theirs proof that Carly Fiorina is running on a flimsy platform | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
Saw the Trump 60 minutes interview, more of the same old... "We're gonna all get rich, everything is going to be amazing because I'm awesome and I get along with everyone." | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45078 Posts
On September 28 2015 13:31 LuckyFool wrote: wow, glad nobody was hurt by that, looks like a big portion of the stage/curtain backdrop fell right into the crowd. Saw the Trump 60 minutes interview, more of the same old... "We're gonna all get rich, everything is going to be amazing because I'm awesome and I get along with everyone." Thank you for saving me an hour of my life <3 | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 28 2015 19:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Thank you for saving me an hour of my life <3 It's actually a decent interview, one of the better ones I've seen with him. Scott played the skeptical devil's advocate the whole time, really showing that Trump has very little in the way of actual plans. But I'm interested to hear what his coming tax plan is. I noted during the first debate that some of Trump's ideas were surprisingly liberal (universal healthcare, lowering taxes on middle income, exemptions for low income, etc). It seems he's tempered his...attitude quite a bit in the past week. His interview on Colbert was entertaining, and I can see how people could find him as a likable guy (if I ignore everything I know about him already). The best part was that it was followed up by Ernest Moniz, so the contrast there was fun too. | ||
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