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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
And the the VW thing is a disaster. I am not looking forward to assisting my mother with getting involved with one of the class actions spinning up or filing a separate case in MA. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 24 2015 03:59 Plansix wrote: Republicans in Vermont are like Republican's in Massachusetts. The rest of the nation's Republicans give them an A for effort. And the the VW thing is a disaster. I am not looking forward to assisting my mother with getting involved with one of the class actions spinning up or filing a separate case in MA. Yea, it really does seem to be a significant diminution in value for the cars, from what I understand is that people will likely have to get a patch to the cars computer, and basically learn about a fuel additive. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
Electric cars are going to help emissions but the electricity has to come somewhere and I worry that green energy might not be there in time for the handover to be really efficient. Also Jeb Bush used the words "multiculturalism" and "retarded" correctly. Gold star for him. http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/22/politics/jeb-bush-multiculturalism-iowa/index.html | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46538 Posts
On September 24 2015 01:36 whatisthisasheep wrote: This might help Sanders a tad. http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-recovers-private-emails-clinton-server-bloomberg-010345979.html# I doubt it. Even Republicans are getting tired of trying to make the Hillary e-mail "scandal" anything meaningful. There's just nothing to talk about anymore. FBI Shuts Down GOP Hillary Email Investigation Effort The State Department and DOJ have already made clear that Clinton violated no laws or policies and did nothing wrong, and now the FBI is declining to be dragged into the partisan fray. The result: a leading republican in congress is now openly attacking the FBI. Republicans have taken the matter to court in a fairly transparent attempt at highlighting the fact that Clinton has a Muslim on her staff, having fabricated the claim that Huma Abedin was somehow hired improperly so they can get to her email and then attempt to scandalize her. As the legal proceedings go on, the Department of Justice weighed in weeks ago to plainly state that there was no wrongdoing with Clinton’s email and that the suit should be thrown out. But the judge has allowed the proceedings to continue, asking the FBI to weigh in. This has Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley accusing the FBI of acting as though it’s above the law. “The FBI is behaving like it’s above the law,” Grassley said in a statement provided to POLITICO on Monday evening. “Simply refusing to cooperate with a court-ordered request is not an appropriate course of action. This entire case, from Secretary Clinton’s ill-advised decision to use a non-government email server, to the FBI’s investigation about classified information, needs some transparency in order to assure the American people that getting to the bottom of this controversy is a priority.” ~ http://www.alan.com/2015/09/22/fbi-shuts-down-gop-hillary-email-investigation-effort/# Of course, I want Bernie to beat Hillary anyway. But the e-mail controversy won't end her. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46538 Posts
On September 24 2015 04:35 Sermokala wrote: All this talk about the car emissions really is small potatoes. The largest 15 sea cargo ships emit more pollution then the entire car population of the world. Electric cars are going to help emissions but the electricity has to come somewhere and I worry that green energy might not be there in time for the handover to be really efficient. Also Jeb Bush used the words "multiculturalism" and "retarded" correctly. Gold star for him. http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/22/politics/jeb-bush-multiculturalism-iowa/index.html Is that factually true? Citation? What percentage of emissions do cars contribute? | ||
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
On September 24 2015 04:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Is that factually true? Citation? What percentage of emissions do cars contribute? http://www.industrytap.com/worlds-15-biggest-ships-create-more-pollution-than-all-the-cars-in-the-world/8182 The point is that its just the 15 biggest in the world. There are much more then 15 not even approching the huge oil tankers that keep getting bigger by the year. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46538 Posts
On September 24 2015 04:40 Sermokala wrote: http://www.industrytap.com/worlds-15-biggest-ships-create-more-pollution-than-all-the-cars-in-the-world/8182 The point is that its just the 15 biggest in the world. There are much more then 15 not even approching the huge oil tankers that keep getting bigger by the year. Yeah that makes me think that car barely contribute anything lol. Do you happen to know how much cars actually contribute? | ||
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Simberto
Germany12038 Posts
On September 24 2015 04:35 Sermokala wrote: All this talk about the car emissions really is small potatoes. The largest 15 sea cargo ships emit more pollution then the entire car population of the world. Electric cars are going to help emissions but the electricity has to come somewhere and I worry that green energy might not be there in time for the handover to be really efficient. If i recall correctly, an electric car being refueled by a coal power plant is roughly as enviromentally damaging as the most greenhouse friendly cars. Any other source of power is even better. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
On September 24 2015 04:42 Simberto wrote: If i recall correctly, an electric car being refueled by a coal power plant is roughly as enviromentally damaging as the most greenhouse friendly cars. Any other source of power is even better. Thats good to know then. Now we just have to worry about where all the electric components on the things come from and what will happen to them when they go to a junkyard. On September 24 2015 04:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yeah that makes me think that car barely contribute anything lol. Do you happen to know how much cars actually contribute? Outside of country by country statistics no idea. Tankers are in international waters mostly and thus would be pretty hard to keep track of I'd think. | ||
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Evotroid
Hungary176 Posts
On September 24 2015 04:44 Sermokala wrote: Thats good to know then. Now we just have to worry about where all the electric components on the things come from and what will happen to them when they go to a junkyard. It is also worth noting, that cars pollute the very cities in which we live, while ships "only" pollute the harbors, and oceans, where it is not directly harming the general population, hence the much relaxed regulation. (remember, the 15 figure is still mainly about toxic substances, not greenhouse contributors) Also see: www3.epa.gov it does not single out the cars vs ships/planes, but does give perspective on where do the industries stand. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 24 2015 04:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yeah that makes me think that car barely contribute anything lol. Do you happen to know how much cars actually contribute? They do hardly contribute anything. The problems with cars is localized particulates/pollutants (colloquially smog). The push for electric is really only a sane idea in big cities because that is where the jam packing of those things can make a noticeable difference in air quality. Even in mid-size cities like Cleveland or Charlotte, there is no major benefit to the people for electric cars. As batteries become good enough, and (somewhat more importantly) the energy transfer systems become quick enough, such cars will start to really outperform the internal combustion engine, but otherwise its mostly a vanity project. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On September 24 2015 05:07 cLutZ wrote: They do hardly contribute anything. The problems with cars is localized particulates/pollutants (colloquially smog). The push for electric is really only a sane idea in big cities because that is where the jam packing of those things can make a noticeable difference in air quality. Even in mid-size cities like Cleveland or Charlotte, there is no major benefit to the people for electric cars. As batteries become good enough, and (somewhat more importantly) the energy transfer systems become quick enough, such cars will start to really outperform the internal combustion engine, but otherwise its mostly a vanity project. the push for electric is still a good thing even outside cities because that way you have it all down to one source that needs improvement and everything down the line will get better if you improve that one thing, rather than having to fix on 1000 different spots. | ||
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Buckyman
1364 Posts
On September 24 2015 03:12 GreenHorizons wrote: Considering the pill costs about $1 per pill to make $13.50 should be more than enough to turn a profit. What happened is some spoiled shit hedgefund guy saw an opportunity to exploit a group of people and he took it without an ounce of shame. He sat on an interview and acted like he wasn't doing anything wrong because in his head he wasn't. Just the free market working it's magic. He pretty well summed up much of what is wrong with the pharmaceutical industry and "the invisible hand". This isn't an invisible hand or free market problem. In a free market, someone else would start making identical pills to undercut Turing. Here, some poorly interacting regulations make it illegal to try to recreate the drug even though it's out of patent, and also interfere somewhat with attempts to directly replace it. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
And that dude is a huge asshole. The more you look into him, the more you will hate him for being a terrible person. He is being sued by his former employer for like 65 million and its nothing but a path of salted earth behind him. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 24 2015 06:03 Toadesstern wrote: the push for electric is still a good thing even outside cities because that way you have it all down to one source that needs improvement and everything down the line will get better if you improve that one thing, rather than having to fix on 1000 different spots. I don't think that its clear that centralizing pollution generation would generate improvements. Sometimes centralization is a good answer to a problem (like the common defense) but other times it has not worked (education, food distribution). Most of the indications I see is that decentralized power generation is actually a very likely solution with distributed solar panels etc. Also, its not clear that battery charging will every be quick enough to be practical for travel, so the standard fueling station model will remain, either with petrol, or an alternative fuel such as methane, hyrdrogen, etc. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
On September 24 2015 04:50 Evotroid wrote: It is also worth noting, that cars pollute the very cities in which we live, while ships "only" pollute the harbors, and oceans, where it is not directly harming the general population, hence the much relaxed regulation. (remember, the 15 figure is still mainly about toxic substances, not greenhouse contributors) Also see: www3.epa.gov it does not single out the cars vs ships/planes, but does give perspective on where do the industries stand. The ships and cars both pollute the air we all breath. Air isn't a localized commodity it travels across the globe and so does the global warming effect that they both have. | ||
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Evotroid
Hungary176 Posts
On September 24 2015 07:00 Sermokala wrote: The ships and cars both pollute the air we all breath. Air isn't a localized commodity it travels across the globe and so does the global warming effect that they both have. Where did I say otherwise?, yes, of course they both pollute the air, still, it is a matter of polluting out in nowhere, so the pollutants can dissolve million-fold before you inhale that air, or polluting right in your face as you wait at a traffic stop. Also, of course they both emit greenhouse gases, I just wanted to clarify, that is not the main problem with cargo ships, and it is just a good sounding headline for tabloids. Shipping releases more matter that is toxic for humans than cars, because of the lower quality fuel, but in terms of greenhouse gases, shipping is still way more effective than trucks. | ||
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whatisthisasheep
624 Posts
On September 24 2015 02:14 Plansix wrote: I love who the Hilary Email story has so little meat to it that every report is about them "finding more emails". Not the content or if they did anything bad. Or that they were released to scary terrorist. Just that they found another one. Call me when someone charges her with anything. She won't be charged with anything. Shes a democrat so the left will give her a free pass. However if this happens under Bush's presidency there would be a huge shitstorm of liberals demanding Bush impeached and brought up on criminal charges by the media. In other news, Trump gave a brand new impromptu speech in South Carolina today where he calls a 87 year old lady a vicious horrible human being. Classic! | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22664 Posts
On September 24 2015 07:24 whatisthisasheep wrote: She won't be charged with anything. Shes a democrat so the left will give her a free pass. However if this happens under Bush's presidency there would be a huge shitstorm of liberals demanding Bush impeached and brought up on criminal charges by the media. We have been over this before. The Republicans have cried Wolf! a few to many times. People are tired of it. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46538 Posts
On September 24 2015 07:24 whatisthisasheep wrote: She won't be charged with anything. Shes a democrat so the left will give her a free pass. However if this happens under Bush's presidency there would be a huge shitstorm of liberals demanding Bush impeached and brought up on criminal charges by the media. You mean like how the conservative politicians and Fox News demand the electric chair for everything- both 100% legal and even remotely controversial- that any liberal- especially Obama- does? | ||
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