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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43980 Posts
September 23 2015 05:55 GMT
#46641
On September 23 2015 11:48 Plansix wrote:
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On September 23 2015 11:42 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2015 08:21 Plansix wrote:
On September 23 2015 07:09 KwarK wrote:
I think this is being massively overthought and engineered. Yeah, special custom tech 5000 ft up in the air anchored solar powered wifi hotspot superballoons will be an issue to create, maintain and operate. But the basic garden variety motion sensitive wildlife cams with a solar cell have been around forever, you can get them on Amazon for less than a hundred bucks.

5000 feet is almost a mile straight up. That is over two times the tallest building built in the world. Your are grossly underestimating the the quality of equipment need for what you want. And the higher it goes. the more the cable weights that you need to pull it down.

I'm not the one who wanted to put them that high. Hell, I'd put them at like 30ft. You wanted to put them at 5000ft and I'm arguing that that's overengineered. Now you're agreeing with me that your plan is dumb and pretending that it's my plan.

30 feet? Why is it even a balloon? Now you're suggesting we use balloons over poles? And the height is want makes things like drones work. Without it, it's a traffic camera.

You think traffic cameras should be at 5000ft?
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 23 2015 06:07 GMT
#46642
Most hilarious thing about these primaries is that Trump is in the unique position where he can actually go into the general elections, get called out on all his bullshit, and say with a completely straight face that he lied to get the Republican nomination.

Would he? Probably not. But it would be so much fun to see someone like Trump declare that he gamed the system and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 23 2015 06:12 GMT
#46643
On September 23 2015 14:53 IgnE wrote:
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On September 23 2015 13:27 oneofthem wrote:
i don't think that's realistic. trump's current style is tailored to the gop base and he'll be able to put on a new face after that is over.

sanders is a true believer type that is inflexible enough to take that on.

the economy in 2016 should be decent to good, at least for the skilled workers. i don't think sander's message would resonate that strongly in that environment


Very real possibility that the economy hits the shitter before elections.

some of the asset bubble may pop but it should not be as damaging as the last one. the 1% wealth increase will be hit hardest
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-23 07:19:23
September 23 2015 07:15 GMT
#46644
There are fewer mechanisms of control to prevent further bleeding this time. Bailouts are political suicide and you can't lower rates further than zero.

Not to mention that if the US economy stutters that means really bad things for the rest of the world. A not insignificant percentage of China's production capacity is not being used because the markets are saturated, and this is supposedly with a healthy global (read: US) economy.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
September 23 2015 07:27 GMT
#46645
Well that's what you get for keeping around the same financial advisors that caused the last collapse.

Thanks Obama.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 23 2015 13:57 GMT
#46646
On September 23 2015 16:15 IgnE wrote:
There are fewer mechanisms of control to prevent further bleeding this time. Bailouts are political suicide and you can't lower rates further than zero.

Not to mention that if the US economy stutters that means really bad things for the rest of the world. A not insignificant percentage of China's production capacity is not being used because the markets are saturated, and this is supposedly with a healthy global (read: US) economy.

I agree with this and the point that the U.S. may very well be in recession during the election cycle.
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
September 23 2015 14:34 GMT
#46647
That would be dire indeed, as it would most certainly insure a gop president.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 23 2015 14:35 GMT
#46648
Pope Francis wasted no time injecting politics into his visit to the White House on Wednesday, opening his remarks with a pointed reminder that the United States has a historical commitment to welcoming immigrants and following it with an exhortation to halt climate change.

"As the son of an immigrant family, I am happy to be a guest in this country, which was largely built by such families,'' the pope said before a crowd of 11,000 on the South Lawn. "I find it encouraging that you are proposing an initiative for reducing air pollution. Accepting the urgency, it seems clear to me also that climate change is a problem which can no longer be left to a future generation.''

The 78-year-old pontiff also called for the protection of religious liberty while saying that American Catholics are "committed to building a society with is truly tolerant and inclusive.''

“With countless other people of good will, they are likewise concerned that efforts to build a just and wisely ordered society respect their deepest concerns and their right to religious liberty,” Francis said.

President Barack Obama also spoke about religious freedom, a topic that has come under more intense discussion in the U.S., in part because of debate about whether the legalization of same-sex marriage is unfair toward people of faith who disapprove of homosexuality, such as a Kentucky clerk recently jailed for five days for refusing to issue marriage licenses to gay couples.

Obama noted that Francis was a champion of religious liberty and took more of a global view about discrimination against Christians and other people of faith.


Source
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 23 2015 14:37 GMT
#46649
I guess that limits the Republican’s ability to whine on behalf of the Pope. Now they get to whine about him making the visit “political” and telling Americans how to live and handle immigration.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 23 2015 14:41 GMT
#46650
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The company that sparked an angry backlash after it raised the price of a drug for treating a deadly parasitic infection by more than 5,000 percent says it will roll back some of the increase.

Turing Pharmaceuticals CEO Martin Shkreli told ABC News on Tuesday that the new price would make Daraprim more accessible, although he did not say what the new price for the drug would be. A spokesman for Turing did not immediately respond to a request for details.

"We've agreed to lower the price of Daraprim to a point that is more affordable and is able to allow the company to make a profit, but a very small profit," Shkreli told ABC.

The company obtained rights to sell the drug, the only U.S.-approved treatment for toxoplasmosis, in August. It hiked the price overnight from $13.50 per pill to $750.

Turing had said it would use profits to improve the drug's formulation and develop new, better drugs for the infection. It also stressed that some patients can get financial aid from the company to obtain the drug.

But the price hike sparked outrage from medical groups representing doctors who care for patients with HIV and other infectious diseases, because Daraprim treats patients with compromised immune systems.


Source
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-23 14:48:34
September 23 2015 14:47 GMT
#46651
Honestly the best thing about that article is that they don't call it an "HIV drug" but instead a drug to treat opportunistic infections, good on them for actually understanding the drug and disease in question.

Other news orgs could learn something. Well, the headline writers at least.

Dialing back the price increase was pretty inevitable given the kick in the groin the company was getting from the bad publicity.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-23 15:37:51
September 23 2015 15:11 GMT
#46652
On September 23 2015 16:15 IgnE wrote:
There are fewer mechanisms of control to prevent further bleeding this time. Bailouts are political suicide and you can't lower rates further than zero.

Not to mention that if the US economy stutters that means really bad things for the rest of the world. A not insignificant percentage of China's production capacity is not being used because the markets are saturated, and this is supposedly with a healthy global (read: US) economy.

it's mostly about china right now and how contaminated some of their oveseeas real estate bonds are. the domestic u.s. economy is doing fairly well, especially the labor market for people with a degree.

unlike 2008 the credit expansion we see now is not concentrated in the financial sector. all the corporations sitting on cash etc are engaged in the bonds market to take advantage of the fed rate. but this profit is not going into the real economy and i don't see it as being toxic in the same way 2008's badly rated cds



the near term danger right now is another govt shutdown fiasco.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-23 16:37:10
September 23 2015 16:36 GMT
#46653
This might help Sanders a tad.
http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-recovers-private-emails-clinton-server-bloomberg-010345979.html#
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The FBI has recovered emails from a private server used by Hillary Clinton while secretary of state that she said were deleted because they involved personal matters, Bloomberg reported on Tuesday, citing a source familiar with the investigation.
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The FBI is examining the server to see whether any information, including classified data, was mishandled. Bloomberg quoted its source as saying the investigation would take at least several more months.

It was not clear how many of the personal emails had been recovered, the news agency said.

Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill, asked about the report, said: "We've cooperated to date and will continue to do so, including answering any questions about this that anyone including the public may have."

An FBI spokeswoman declined to comment on the report.

Clinton's use of her private email for her work as America's top diplomat came to light in March and drew fire from political opponents who accused the Democratic presidential front-runner of sidestepping transparency and record-keeping laws.

The controversy has cut into Clinton's lead in the race for the Democratic nomination for the November 2016 election.

Clinton has apologized for using a private server rather than the government system but has said she sent no information by email that was classified at the time and received no material marked that way.

Last December, she provided what she said were copies of all the work emails she had in her possession, nearly two years after she stepped down as secretary of state.

She handed over about 30,000 emails she sent and received, although her staff have since acknowledged that some work emails are missing. She did not hand over another 30,000 emails from the period that she deemed personal and said she chose "not to keep."

The company that managed Clinton's private email server said it had "no knowledge of the server being wiped," indicating that tens of thousands of emails Clinton said were deleted could be recovered, the Washington Post reported earlier this month.

The State Department has been releasing the emails to the public in keeping with Clinton's request after redacting parts of them to remove sensitive or classified information.
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 23 2015 16:37 GMT
#46654
stop bullying hillary
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
September 23 2015 17:05 GMT
#46655
Why would the economy be in recession by the time of the election? Are you grounding that on anything solid or is that your "gut feeling"?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 23 2015 17:14 GMT
#46656
I love who the Hilary Email story has so little meat to it that every report is about them "finding more emails". Not the content or if they did anything bad. Or that they were released to scary terrorist. Just that they found another one.

Call me when someone charges her with anything.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23939 Posts
September 23 2015 18:12 GMT
#46657
On September 23 2015 23:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The company that sparked an angry backlash after it raised the price of a drug for treating a deadly parasitic infection by more than 5,000 percent says it will roll back some of the increase.

Turing Pharmaceuticals CEO Martin Shkreli told ABC News on Tuesday that the new price would make Daraprim more accessible, although he did not say what the new price for the drug would be. A spokesman for Turing did not immediately respond to a request for details.

"We've agreed to lower the price of Daraprim to a point that is more affordable and is able to allow the company to make a profit, but a very small profit," Shkreli told ABC.

The company obtained rights to sell the drug, the only U.S.-approved treatment for toxoplasmosis, in August. It hiked the price overnight from $13.50 per pill to $750.

Turing had said it would use profits to improve the drug's formulation and develop new, better drugs for the infection. It also stressed that some patients can get financial aid from the company to obtain the drug.

But the price hike sparked outrage from medical groups representing doctors who care for patients with HIV and other infectious diseases, because Daraprim treats patients with compromised immune systems.


Source


Considering the pill costs about $1 per pill to make $13.50 should be more than enough to turn a profit.

What happened is some spoiled shit hedgefund guy saw an opportunity to exploit a group of people and he took it without an ounce of shame. He sat on an interview and acted like he wasn't doing anything wrong because in his head he wasn't. Just the free market working it's magic.

He pretty well summed up much of what is wrong with the pharmaceutical industry and "the invisible hand".
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23939 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-23 18:20:00
September 23 2015 18:13 GMT
#46658
On September 24 2015 03:12 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2015 23:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The company that sparked an angry backlash after it raised the price of a drug for treating a deadly parasitic infection by more than 5,000 percent says it will roll back some of the increase.

Turing Pharmaceuticals CEO Martin Shkreli told ABC News on Tuesday that the new price would make Daraprim more accessible, although he did not say what the new price for the drug would be. A spokesman for Turing did not immediately respond to a request for details.

"We've agreed to lower the price of Daraprim to a point that is more affordable and is able to allow the company to make a profit, but a very small profit," Shkreli told ABC.

The company obtained rights to sell the drug, the only U.S.-approved treatment for toxoplasmosis, in August. It hiked the price overnight from $13.50 per pill to $750.

Turing had said it would use profits to improve the drug's formulation and develop new, better drugs for the infection. It also stressed that some patients can get financial aid from the company to obtain the drug.

But the price hike sparked outrage from medical groups representing doctors who care for patients with HIV and other infectious diseases, because Daraprim treats patients with compromised immune systems.


Source


Considering the pill costs about $1 per pill to make $13.50 should be more than enough to turn a profit.

What happened is some spoiled shit hedgefund guy saw an opportunity to exploit a group of people and he took it without an ounce of shame. He sat on an interview and acted like he wasn't doing anything wrong because in his head he wasn't. Just the free market working it's magic.

He pretty well summed up much of what is wrong with the pharmaceutical industry and "the invisible hand".


On September 24 2015 02:14 Plansix wrote:
I love who the Hilary Email story has so little meat to it that every report is about them "finding more emails". Not the content or if they did anything bad. Or that they were released to scary terrorist. Just that they found another one.

Call me when someone charges her with anything.


I think the point is to put pressure on FBI connections to leak some juicy details from the personal emails.

A Florida Atlantic University Poll released Wednesday shows Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio leading former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush in the Sunshine State’s GOP presidential primary, The Sun Sentinel reports.

Rubio is in second place in the poll with 19.2 percent, while Bush is in third place with 11.3 percent. New York businessmen and Palm Beach resort owner Donald Trump is in first with 31.5 percent. The poll has a margin of error of plus-or-minus 5.2 percentage points.

Tampa Bay Times Political editor Adam Smith points out that Florida’s winner-take-all primary — meaning that all 100 delegates will go to the winner, rather than being divided among the top finishers — could hurt Bush. Many GOP political consultants early on believed that Rubio would never run for the presidency if his mentor Bush did so the state primary became winner-take-all.



Source

This is why the Republican party is at Trump's mercy. Jeb and Rubio can't even lead in their home state(even if you combine their support), meanwhile Bernie is in 2nd place for republican voters in Vermont.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-23 19:22:29
September 23 2015 18:55 GMT
#46659
This Vokswagon scandal is a Trump speech that just writes itself: "I've been telling you, they are stupid, our government. I've been saying the Chinese and the Mexicans are laughing at us. But look, the Germans, they know the EPA are such rubes that they can't even enforce a simple regulation. It took YOO-NA-VER-CITY scientists to expose that they Germans are laughing at us too."
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 23 2015 18:57 GMT
#46660
It's a pretty left-field linkage of culpability, but right up Trump's alley.
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