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KwarK
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 23 2015 05:49 KwarK wrote: Honestly I think given the incredibly low cost of cameras these days and the incredibly low cost of balloons it's not a bad plan. Although why not have border guard be an easy job to get for a Mexican with no paperwork. That way the people who guard the borders will have an excellent working knowledge of the tricks they used to cross and a strong incentive to protect their jobs by stopping new border crossings. Give them a set budget and no job security so it's a zero sum game and watch them stop Mexican immigrants stealing their jerbs. I think you are under estimating the infrastructure that would be required to make the cameras effective. That they would either need to be self powered and be able to transmit data over wireless network or use cables. And they would need to go up several thousand feet(maybe as high as 5000) to be effective, which requires a bigger camera and more cable(it will always need a cable). The camera would need to be stable, requiring some sort of frame. They are spread over a massive area, which means people could damage what they are tethered to. And they need to be pulled back down through some sort of mechanical system, which could also break Its a good idea on paper, but much harder to create in practice. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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KwarK
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{CC}StealthBlue
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 23 2015 07:09 KwarK wrote: I think this is being massively overthought and engineered. Yeah, special custom tech 5000 ft up in the air anchored solar powered wifi hotspot superballoons will be an issue to create, maintain and operate. But the basic garden variety motion sensitive wildlife cams with a solar cell have been around forever, you can get them on Amazon for less than a hundred bucks. 5000 feet is almost a mile straight up. That is over two times the tallest building built in the world. Your are grossly underestimating the the quality of equipment need for what you want. And the higher it goes. the more the cable weights that you need to pull it down. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24394 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On September 23 2015 08:44 GreenHorizons wrote: Who is Scott Walker talking about when he said "I encourage other candidates to step down...So the voters can focus on a positive conservative candidate"? Trump probs | ||
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Ghostcom
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Definitely not Trump. No one mistakes Trump for a conservative. I doubt Walker is referring to anyone specific. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24394 Posts
On September 23 2015 09:28 xDaunt wrote: Definitely not Trump. No one mistakes Trump for a conservative. I doubt Walker is referring to anyone specific. Well who's on the list of people he was possibly referring to? Looks like staffers are leaning Rubio. I have to say I was blindsided by how fast Walker's campaign imploded you and other conservatives had me convinced he was more or less the anti-washington, union busting fighter that was going to challenge Bush. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46540 Posts
On September 23 2015 07:09 KwarK wrote: I think this is being massively overthought and engineered. Yeah, special custom tech 5000 ft up in the air anchored solar powered wifi hotspot superballoons will be an issue to create, maintain and operate. But the basic garden variety motion sensitive wildlife cams with a solar cell have been around forever, you can get them on Amazon for less than a hundred bucks. Better yet, let's just pay FuddX a shit ton of money to inundate the border with awesome balloon animals. We can hide cameras in them or something. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46540 Posts
On September 23 2015 09:28 xDaunt wrote: Definitely not Trump. No one mistakes Trump for a conservative. I doubt Walker is referring to anyone specific. What else would he be? Not that he's really thought a lot of his ideas through, but at least from what he says, he sounds like he fits squarely on the conservative side of things. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 23 2015 11:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: What else would he be? Not that he's really thought a lot of his ideas through, but at least from what he says, he sounds like he fits squarely on the conservative side of things. He is a moderate overall. Conservatives that support him are only supporting him because they hate the republican leadership and establishment. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46540 Posts
On September 23 2015 11:19 xDaunt wrote: He is a moderate. Conservatives that support him are only supporting him because they hate the republican leadership and establishment. What positions of his make him a moderate? I agree that he's not a fringe-lunacy conservative as some of the more extreme conservative candidates (e.g., Mike Huckabee), but I think he's more middle-of-the-road conservative. He's all about small government, cutting spending, Obama's the antichrist, bigotry, super-anti-immigration, etc. that a lot of the other conservative politicians are in agreement with. His birther fiasco on Obama and his positions regarding vaccines put him on the Republican side too. Wouldn't he have a decent amount of liberal support from middle-of-the-road liberals if he was moderate? | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 23 2015 11:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: What positions of his make him a moderate? I agree that he's not a fringe-lunacy conservative as some of the more extreme conservative candidates (e.g., Mike Huckabee), but I think he's more middle-of-the-road conservative. He's all about small government, cutting spending, Obama's the antichrist, bigotry, super-anti-immigration, etc. that a lot of the other conservative politicians are in agreement with. His birther fiasco on Obama and his positions regarding vaccines put him on the Republican side too. Wouldn't he have a decent amount of liberal support from middle-of-the-road liberals if he was moderate? No, because he is flanked on the left by Kasich and Bush on social policy and immigration respectively, and went after the liberal sacred cow of public sector unions. His chance was to be the "serious" conservative (aka acceptable to wall street and moderate liberals) without being a sellout that couldn't turnout Republicans. This path was eliminated when he failed to "seriously" prep for national interviews and the debates. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 23 2015 11:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: What positions of his make him a moderate? I agree that he's not a fringe-lunacy conservative as some of the more extreme conservative candidates (e.g., Mike Huckabee), but I think he's more middle-of-the-road conservative. He's all about small government, cutting spending, Obama's the antichrist, bigotry, super-anti-immigration, etc. that a lot of the other conservative politicians are in agreement with. His birther fiasco on Obama and his positions regarding vaccines put him on the Republican side too. Wouldn't he have a decent amount of liberal support from middle-of-the-road liberals if he was moderate? Think about it. What big name conservative has publicly said that Trump is a conservative? Limbaugh says he isn't. The Weekly Standard and National Review crews don't think so either. Trump has expressed moderate if not liberal positions on a wide range of issues. The only issue where he seems solidly conservative is on illegal immigration. Read this: www.nytimes.com As for liberals supporting Trump, don't be surprised if it happens if Trump secures the Republican nomination. He needs to show more clarity on what his platform is, first. | ||
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KwarK
United States44389 Posts
On September 23 2015 08:21 Plansix wrote: 5000 feet is almost a mile straight up. That is over two times the tallest building built in the world. Your are grossly underestimating the the quality of equipment need for what you want. And the higher it goes. the more the cable weights that you need to pull it down. I'm not the one who wanted to put them that high. Hell, I'd put them at like 30ft. You wanted to put them at 5000ft and I'm arguing that that's overengineered. Now you're agreeing with me that your plan is dumb and pretending that it's my plan. | ||
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