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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 20 2015 21:43 GMT
#46401
Tax payer supported agency that handles issues involving women's health, which a very TINY part is abortions. And those abortions are handled in the same fashion as the rest of the medical industry.

If the PP had said they cremated all the remains from any abortion, the Republicans would be flipping their shit because they "burned the bodies of babies." They want to bitch about abortions and they found a venue. And the "perceived onslaughts" is a good term for the people whining that they can't be bigoted store owners any more and refuse to serve gay couples.
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
September 20 2015 21:44 GMT
#46402
I don't think it's possible to be "much worse than Huckabee." It's like being in the 8th circle of hell. Yeah, technically you could be in the 9th circle, reserved for people like Cain who killed his own brother Abel, but that's as far as you can go.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
September 20 2015 21:44 GMT
#46403
Nah, radical muslim candidate would easily fit in with the republican party. They could call him Bibi 2.0. Or Sheikh Santorum.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 20 2015 21:49 GMT
#46404
On September 21 2015 06:44 Jormundr wrote:
Nah, radical muslim candidate would easily fit in with the republican party. They could call him Bibi 2.0. Or Sheikh Santorum.

They would want to defund PP too. And would be very concerned with their rights to refuse service to gay couples in all jobs, including government positions.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45351 Posts
September 20 2015 21:49 GMT
#46405
On September 21 2015 06:37 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2015 06:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Trump received a 70% negative rating by Latino voters. I'm more surprised it's not lower than higher.

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/how-do-latinos-feel-about-donald-trump--525563459717?cid=sm_fb_lastword


But, he said he would win the Latino vote because they love him! Why wouldn't they want to be stigmatized worse than they are, and create a Latino equivalent to the red scare?!


"I promise job creation! Hey Latinos... wanna build a wall?"
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
September 20 2015 21:59 GMT
#46406
Doesn't surprise me. Trump also said black people love him despite the fact that 92 percent of them had an unfavorable view of him
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JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
September 21 2015 00:03 GMT
#46407
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/20/us-iran-nuclear-rouhani-idUSKCN0RK14Q20150920

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said in an interview with a U.S. television network that aired on Sunday that Tehran and Washington "have taken the first steps" toward decreasing their enmity due to a landmark nuclear accord.

But Rouhani told CBS' "60 Minutes" program that despite the nuclear agreement, "the distance, the disagreements, the lack of trust, will not go away soon."


The weekly chant of "Death to America" in Iran "is not a slogan against the American people," Rouhani added.

"The policies of the United States have been against the national interests of Iranian people," he said. "We cannot forget the past, but at the same time our gaze must be toward the future."


That's an amusing take on it. I guess it's kinda cool to see Rouhani take this stance of reduced enmity, which could be a good result on Obama's part. Waiting on Khomeini to step in and contradict him though lol.
Yargh
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 21 2015 00:09 GMT
#46408
If you listen to the interview on NPR, the guy says its very difficult to convince his people that we are not going to bomb them when we say we totally willing to bomb them every week. His quote was something like "What good is it to say the military option isn't off the table every week? Stop talking and get it over with or don't."

I don't trust Iran, but I understand how hard it is going to be to get their general public to not assume we are out to get them.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22132 Posts
September 21 2015 00:17 GMT
#46409
On September 21 2015 09:09 Plansix wrote:
If you listen to the interview on NPR, the guy says its very difficult to convince his people that we are not going to bomb them when we say we totally willing to bomb them every week. His quote was something like "What good is it to say the military option isn't off the table every week? Stop talking and get it over with or don't."

I don't trust Iran, but I understand how hard it is going to be to get their general public to not assume we are out to get them.

Lets also not forget that 62 years ago American overthrew the elected Iranian government and installed a dictator.

You really cant blame the Iranians for being anti-America and to end that America needs to work to restore relations which is fortunately now happening.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 21 2015 00:48 GMT
#46410
Party unity started to sound more like party mutiny during the Democratic state convention in Manchester, New Hampshire, on Saturday.

Attendees heckled the DNC chairwoman, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, chanting "We want debates!" until the Florida lawmaker eventually went off-script to respond.

"What's more important, drawing a contrast with Republicans, or arguing about debates?" Wasserman Schultz said. "Let's focus on our mission at hand. Let's focus on our task at hand."

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is among the party members who think Democrats should hold more than the scheduled six primary debates, the first of which won't take place until October.

By contrast, the Republicans are already two debates into the more than 10 they have scheduled. Both events have dominated the ratings, the news cycle and, as some Democrats worry, voters' attention.

"The Republicans are getting all the press right now and we have more than one candidate," Jane Schirch, an undecided New Hampshire Democrat, told CNN. "We have more legitimate candidates than the entertainment that the Republicans are providing."

The New Hampshire convention protests put Wasserman Schultz once again on the defensive over the party's debate plan, which includes penalizing any candidate who participates in outside debates.


Source
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 21 2015 00:51 GMT
#46411
On September 21 2015 06:43 Plansix wrote:
Tax payer supported agency that handles issues involving women's health, which a very TINY part is abortions. And those abortions are handled in the same fashion as the rest of the medical industry.

If the PP had said they cremated all the remains from any abortion, the Republicans would be flipping their shit because they "burned the bodies of babies." They want to bitch about abortions and they found a venue. And the "perceived onslaughts" is a good term for the people whining that they can't be bigoted store owners any more and refuse to serve gay couples.
More than 300,000 abortions yearly is hardly a blip in the overall U.S. abortion industry. The alleged corruption and lawbreaking, and the various funding positions, are indeed an issue. If you have a religious attachment to their particular administration of all aspects of women's healthcare, please share. I'm starting to grasp your attitude of whistleblowers-be-damned: they do a lot of good therefore the good outweighs the bad.

It's hardly newsworthy that thread liberals still dismiss religious conscience objections breezily. I can hardly suppose anybody reading the news still expects liberals to defend the reviled religions with the same fervor of atheist/agnostics and sexual nonconformists.

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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
September 21 2015 00:52 GMT
#46412
On September 21 2015 09:09 Plansix wrote:
If you listen to the interview on NPR, the guy says its very difficult to convince his people that we are not going to bomb them when we say we totally willing to bomb them every week. His quote was something like "What good is it to say the military option isn't off the table every week? Stop talking and get it over with or don't."

I don't trust Iran, but I understand how hard it is going to be to get their general public to not assume we are out to get them.


You shouldnt trust them, because they will never trust you nor does the US plan to offer them any real incentives to trust them. The level of fuck that the US employed in Iran took Bush jr to surpass and I think most people consider it too far broken to really fix within the next few generations anyway.


Also.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/carly-fiorina-ceo-jeffrey-sonnenfeld-2016-213163?cmpid=sf
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-21 00:59:45
September 21 2015 00:57 GMT
#46413
On September 21 2015 09:51 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2015 06:43 Plansix wrote:
Tax payer supported agency that handles issues involving women's health, which a very TINY part is abortions. And those abortions are handled in the same fashion as the rest of the medical industry.

If the PP had said they cremated all the remains from any abortion, the Republicans would be flipping their shit because they "burned the bodies of babies." They want to bitch about abortions and they found a venue. And the "perceived onslaughts" is a good term for the people whining that they can't be bigoted store owners any more and refuse to serve gay couples.
More than 300,000 abortions yearly is hardly a blip in the overall U.S. abortion industry. The alleged corruption and lawbreaking, and the various funding positions, are indeed an issue. If you have a religious attachment to their particular administration of all aspects of women's healthcare, please share. I'm starting to grasp your attitude of whistleblowers-be-damned: they do a lot of good therefore the good outweighs the bad.

It's hardly newsworthy that thread liberals still dismiss religious conscience objections breezily. I can hardly suppose anybody reading the news still expects liberals to defend the reviled religions with the same fervor of atheist/agnostics and sexual nonconformists.


Law breaking? You mean the edited video that has been discredited my every major new outlet worth listening too? Call me when a DA presses charges. Until then it's just a political circus.

Also, I'm not a liberal. I'm from a state of them and I'm very not one of them.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 21 2015 01:06 GMT
#46414
Scrambling to address a growing Syrian refugee crisis, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry announced Sunday that the United States would significantly increase the number of worldwide refugees it takes in over the next two years, though not by nearly the amount many activists and former officials have urged.

The U.S. will accept 85,000 refugees from around the world next year, up from 70,000, and that total would rise to 100,000 in 2017, Kerry said at a news conference with German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier after the two discussed the mass migration of Syrians fleeing their civil war.

Many, though not all, of the additional refugees would be Syrian, American officials have said. Others would come from countries in Africa that are affected by conflict. The White House had previously announced it intended to take in 10,000 additional Syrian refugees over the next year.

Asked why the U.S. couldn't take more, Kerry cited post-Sept. 11 screening requirements and a lack of money made available by Congress.

"We're doing what we know we can manage immediately," he said, adding that the U.S. cannot take shortcuts on security checks.

Conditions in Syria have been growing increasingly dire as the civil war continues. As many as 9 million people have been displaced, including more than 4 million who have fled the country, according to the United Nations.

A letter made public last week and signed by several former Obama administration officials urged the U.S. government to accept 100,000 Syrian migrants, and to put in place special rules to speed the resettlement process. Germany says it will accept as many as a million Syrians this year.


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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22132 Posts
September 21 2015 01:13 GMT
#46415
On September 21 2015 09:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Party unity started to sound more like party mutiny during the Democratic state convention in Manchester, New Hampshire, on Saturday.

Attendees heckled the DNC chairwoman, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, chanting "We want debates!" until the Florida lawmaker eventually went off-script to respond.

"What's more important, drawing a contrast with Republicans, or arguing about debates?" Wasserman Schultz said. "Let's focus on our mission at hand. Let's focus on our task at hand."

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is among the party members who think Democrats should hold more than the scheduled six primary debates, the first of which won't take place until October.

By contrast, the Republicans are already two debates into the more than 10 they have scheduled. Both events have dominated the ratings, the news cycle and, as some Democrats worry, voters' attention.

"The Republicans are getting all the press right now and we have more than one candidate," Jane Schirch, an undecided New Hampshire Democrat, told CNN. "We have more legitimate candidates than the entertainment that the Republicans are providing."

The New Hampshire convention protests put Wasserman Schultz once again on the defensive over the party's debate plan, which includes penalizing any candidate who participates in outside debates.


Source

Maybe someone can explain this for me.
Why do Democrats want a circus like the Republicans are having right now?

The Elections are so far off that media attention now is mostly useless. No one will remember it by the end of the year and the more debates you have the more damage potential you have. Do Democrats look at the debates and thing "you know, our candidates don't have enough chance to destroy their electability"

Does the argument that Republicans have more news time really matter when the flood of national campaigns is still to come?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 21 2015 01:13 GMT
#46416
On September 21 2015 10:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Scrambling to address a growing Syrian refugee crisis, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry announced Sunday that the United States would significantly increase the number of worldwide refugees it takes in over the next two years, though not by nearly the amount many activists and former officials have urged.

The U.S. will accept 85,000 refugees from around the world next year, up from 70,000, and that total would rise to 100,000 in 2017, Kerry said at a news conference with German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier after the two discussed the mass migration of Syrians fleeing their civil war.

Many, though not all, of the additional refugees would be Syrian, American officials have said. Others would come from countries in Africa that are affected by conflict. The White House had previously announced it intended to take in 10,000 additional Syrian refugees over the next year.

Asked why the U.S. couldn't take more, Kerry cited post-Sept. 11 screening requirements and a lack of money made available by Congress.

"We're doing what we know we can manage immediately," he said, adding that the U.S. cannot take shortcuts on security checks.

Conditions in Syria have been growing increasingly dire as the civil war continues. As many as 9 million people have been displaced, including more than 4 million who have fled the country, according to the United Nations.

A letter made public last week and signed by several former Obama administration officials urged the U.S. government to accept 100,000 Syrian migrants, and to put in place special rules to speed the resettlement process. Germany says it will accept as many as a million Syrians this year.


Source


Such an insignificant number when you think of what we already accommodate when it comes to immigrants both legal and illegal. That European countries cannot shows that either A) Thier social model is deficient; or B) Trump is right and we are collectively fools for trying.
Freeeeeeedom
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23714 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-21 01:36:04
September 21 2015 01:32 GMT
#46417
On September 21 2015 10:13 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2015 09:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Party unity started to sound more like party mutiny during the Democratic state convention in Manchester, New Hampshire, on Saturday.

Attendees heckled the DNC chairwoman, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, chanting "We want debates!" until the Florida lawmaker eventually went off-script to respond.

"What's more important, drawing a contrast with Republicans, or arguing about debates?" Wasserman Schultz said. "Let's focus on our mission at hand. Let's focus on our task at hand."

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is among the party members who think Democrats should hold more than the scheduled six primary debates, the first of which won't take place until October.

By contrast, the Republicans are already two debates into the more than 10 they have scheduled. Both events have dominated the ratings, the news cycle and, as some Democrats worry, voters' attention.

"The Republicans are getting all the press right now and we have more than one candidate," Jane Schirch, an undecided New Hampshire Democrat, told CNN. "We have more legitimate candidates than the entertainment that the Republicans are providing."

The New Hampshire convention protests put Wasserman Schultz once again on the defensive over the party's debate plan, which includes penalizing any candidate who participates in outside debates.


Source

Maybe someone can explain this for me.
Why do Democrats want a circus like the Republicans are having right now?

The Elections are so far off that media attention now is mostly useless. No one will remember it by the end of the year and the more debates you have the more damage potential you have. Do Democrats look at the debates and thing "you know, our candidates don't have enough chance to destroy their electability"

Does the argument that Republicans have more news time really matter when the flood of national campaigns is still to come?


The urge for more debates comes from a desire to actually have serious debates, not emulate the shit shows Republicans have for debates.

Also because it's the most effective way to highlight the differences between Hillary and Bernie. Finally because millions of people still have no idea who Bernie Sanders is or why he's a better choice than Hillary.

Also this makes me laugh at the people who thought that Walker had a better shot than Bernie (or a shot at all really)...

Madison (WKOW) -- A new national poll shows Governor Scott Walker polling at 0 percent in the race for the Republican presidential nomination.

The CNN/ORC poll released Sunday shows there were five candidates who received less than one percent of support from likely Republican voters. Walker was among them, joined by former Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore, South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, and former New York Governor George Pataki. Less than one percent equates to zero percent, statistically.


Source
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
September 21 2015 01:38 GMT
#46418
On September 21 2015 10:13 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2015 09:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Party unity started to sound more like party mutiny during the Democratic state convention in Manchester, New Hampshire, on Saturday.

Attendees heckled the DNC chairwoman, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, chanting "We want debates!" until the Florida lawmaker eventually went off-script to respond.

"What's more important, drawing a contrast with Republicans, or arguing about debates?" Wasserman Schultz said. "Let's focus on our mission at hand. Let's focus on our task at hand."

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is among the party members who think Democrats should hold more than the scheduled six primary debates, the first of which won't take place until October.

By contrast, the Republicans are already two debates into the more than 10 they have scheduled. Both events have dominated the ratings, the news cycle and, as some Democrats worry, voters' attention.

"The Republicans are getting all the press right now and we have more than one candidate," Jane Schirch, an undecided New Hampshire Democrat, told CNN. "We have more legitimate candidates than the entertainment that the Republicans are providing."

The New Hampshire convention protests put Wasserman Schultz once again on the defensive over the party's debate plan, which includes penalizing any candidate who participates in outside debates.


Source

Maybe someone can explain this for me.
Why do Democrats want a circus like the Republicans are having right now?

The Elections are so far off that media attention now is mostly useless. No one will remember it by the end of the year and the more debates you have the more damage potential you have. Do Democrats look at the debates and thing "you know, our candidates don't have enough chance to destroy their electability"

Does the argument that Republicans have more news time really matter when the flood of national campaigns is still to come?


I think some of this pushback is from people in relative power in the Party who think that the Democratic Party is more or less trying to turn the primary into a coronation ceremony for Hillary Clinton. They think that the party is minimizing the debates because putting her on-stage with other people weakens arguably her biggest advantage, name recognition. The current trends in endorsements from the party doesn't help this view.

Thing is, they can't say this without drastically diminishing their standing in the party, so they seek alternative ways to discredit the path the party has chosen.

Is that actually why they're having fewer debates than the Republicans? Who knows.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45351 Posts
September 21 2015 01:42 GMT
#46419
On September 21 2015 06:59 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
Doesn't surprise me. Trump also said black people love him despite the fact that 92 percent of them had an unfavorable view of him


To quote Seth Meyers: "Donald Trump said recently he has a great relationship with the blacks, though unless the Blacks are a family of white people, I bet he's mistaken."

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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 21 2015 01:43 GMT
#46420
On September 21 2015 06:44 IgnE wrote:
I don't think it's possible to be "much worse than Huckabee." It's like being in the 8th circle of hell. Yeah, technically you could be in the 9th circle, reserved for people like Cain who killed his own brother Abel, but that's as far as you can go.


I lol'd.

On September 21 2015 09:51 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2015 06:43 Plansix wrote:
Tax payer supported agency that handles issues involving women's health, which a very TINY part is abortions. And those abortions are handled in the same fashion as the rest of the medical industry.

If the PP had said they cremated all the remains from any abortion, the Republicans would be flipping their shit because they "burned the bodies of babies." They want to bitch about abortions and they found a venue. And the "perceived onslaughts" is a good term for the people whining that they can't be bigoted store owners any more and refuse to serve gay couples.
More than 300,000 abortions yearly is hardly a blip in the overall U.S. abortion industry. The alleged corruption and lawbreaking, and the various funding positions, are indeed an issue. If you have a religious attachment to their particular administration of all aspects of women's healthcare, please share. I'm starting to grasp your attitude of whistleblowers-be-damned: they do a lot of good therefore the good outweighs the bad.

It's hardly newsworthy that thread liberals still dismiss religious conscience objections breezily. I can hardly suppose anybody reading the news still expects liberals to defend the reviled religions with the same fervor of atheist/agnostics and sexual nonconformists.



Except that governments funds allocated to PP are by law not used to fund abortion. You can make some argument about how money is fungible, but I'm sure that PP keeps the abortion funds in separate accounts.
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