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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
But there was not a whisper of that at the debate because they're too busy pandering. | ||
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Buckyman
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On September 21 2015 09:51 Danglars wrote: More than 300,000 abortions yearly is hardly a blip in the overall U.S. abortion industry. In 2011, there were 730322 legal abortions in the 47 states that published such data (excluding California, Maryland and New Hampshire). Barring large anomalies in those three states, the US abortion epidemic is running at only about half a holocaust right now. So a cut of 1/5th of a holocaust from that would be significant. (source) | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46524 Posts
On September 21 2015 10:52 Buckyman wrote: In 2011, there were 730322 legal abortions in the 47 states that published such data (excluding California, Maryland and New Hampshire). Barring large anomalies in those three states, the US abortion epidemic is running at only about half a holocaust right now. So a cut of 1/5th of a holocaust from that would be significant. (source) Wouldn't a much more significant cut from the abortion "industry" occur if all 50 states had proper sex education and contraceptives were made readily available to those who wished to be smart about their sexually active lifestyle? Would sure cut down on the STD "industry" too. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 21 2015 11:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Wouldn't a much more significant cut from the abortion "industry" occur if all 50 states had proper sex education and contraceptives were made readily available to those who wished to be smart about their sexually active lifestyle? Would sure cut down on the STD "industry" too. If they didn't have abortion, they would just be raging against birth control and sex ed. The plan is to keep our kids uninformative, make sure women are forced to use back ally abortions and to assure they don't have proper control over their bodies. Except any birth control men use is fine, for reasons. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On September 21 2015 11:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Wouldn't a much more significant cut from the abortion "industry" occur if all 50 states had proper sex education and contraceptives were made readily available to those who wished to be smart about their sexually active lifestyle? Would sure cut down on the STD "industry" too. Because the "pro-life" crowd isn't pro life at all just pro birth. They couldn't care less after the kid is born otherwise they would be for universal healthcare, universal day care etc. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46524 Posts
On September 21 2015 11:09 Plansix wrote: If they didn't have abortion, they would just be raging against birth control and sex ed. The plan is to keep our kids uninformative, make sure women are forced to use back ally abortions and to assure they don't have proper control over their bodies. Except any birth control men use is fine, for reasons. I think this is where we see the biggest consequence of Americans being prude. Having sex (nudity, intercourse, etc.) as one of the biggest taboo topics means that our children are going to grow up ignorant and unaware, when we have countless resources to educate them and keep them safe. But god forbid you see a woman's nipple in public or a condom in a classroom, because why? Sex is the devil's work? It has to be some sort of religious bullshit, right? And as a result, millions of families pay awful consequences, be it psychological or physical or financial. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46524 Posts
On September 21 2015 11:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Because the "pro-life" crowd isn't pro life at all just pro birth. They couldn't care less after the kid is born otherwise they would be for universal healthcare, universal day care etc. Yup, that's how I like wording it too. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On September 21 2015 11:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Because the "pro-life" crowd isn't pro life at all just pro birth. They couldn't care less after the kid is born otherwise they would be for universal healthcare, universal day care etc. george carlin did a great bit about this. "If you're preborn your fine. if your Pre-school your F***ed." warning use of f word. hopefully this is appropriate to post. | ||
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kwizach
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On September 21 2015 10:52 Buckyman wrote: the US abortion epidemic is running at only about half a holocaust right now. Wait what? | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On September 21 2015 11:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I think this is where we see the biggest consequence of Americans being prude. Having sex (nudity, intercourse, etc.) as one of the biggest taboo topics means that our children are going to grow up ignorant and unaware, when we have countless resources to educate them and keep them safe. But god forbid you see a woman's nipple in public or a condom in a classroom, because why? Sex is the devil's work? It has to be some sort of religious bullshit, right? And as a result, millions of families pay awful consequences, be it psychological or physical or financial. The real issue is they don't give a damn about what their children are doing and society doesn't scorn them for it. We just assume however a parent wants to raise their child is the right way of doing it, hence the aversion to schools teaching sex ed - a topic that's traditionally supposed to be taught by their parents. Long story short, parents suck and when society tries to pick up the slack, they bitch and moan until ultimately nothing gets done and we all become worse off. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
The Obama administration has been quietly in touch with the Vatican about ways that Pope Francis can help free three Americans imprisoned in Iran — a major source of friction as President Barack Obama and Iranian leaders finalize their nuclear deal. The leader of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics — who already has helped the U.S. mend fences with Cuba, another long-time nemesis — visits Washington this week as the dust is still settling from a contentious congressional debate over the nuclear deal, in which the fate of the three prisoners was repeatedly invoked by Republicans as a reason not to negotiate. According to a person familiar with the cases, the U.S. and the Vatican have been in contact in recent months about the prisoners and at least one prisoner's family has reached out directly to Pope Francis for help. The pope doesn't command any military divisions, as Joseph Stalin is said to have pointed out. But the idea of the Roman Catholic leader trying to nudge Islamist theocrats in Iran to release Americans isn't far-fetched. Just a few months ago, he met with a high-ranking Iranian female politician, a sign of his ongoing interest in the country. The Vatican, a city-state with only 800 residents, has long played an important role in international diplomacy, both covertly and overtly, including as an intermediary in hostage cases. With embassies all over the world, not to mention its churches and other affililated institutions, the Catholic church is legendarily well-connected, a fact that could help the Obama administration when its priorities align. Source | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46524 Posts
Haven't you heard? The Planned Parenthood symbol is obviously the swastika. I guess. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
a statement based upon the unstable center of all fetuses being fully equivalent to full grown people (or I suppose more accurately I should say a center based around an idea of a god) . Fortunately there is no reason for that to be central in other people's opinions (or at least not in that way) so we can mostly ignore it. I could deconstruct it but I'm too lazy and I think people are smart enough to realize the ridiculousness of it. | ||
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Plansix
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Buckyman
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On September 21 2015 11:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Sex is the devil's work? You have this exactly backwards from the orthodox viewpoint, which holds sex to be sacred. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46524 Posts
On September 21 2015 11:53 Buckyman wrote: You have this exactly backwards from the orthodox viewpoint, which holds sex to be sacred. I meant premarital/ social/ casual sex (i.e., not solely for the intention of reproduction), which I was hoping was clear based on the context of my post. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 21 2015 11:53 Buckyman wrote: You have this exactly backwards from the orthodox viewpoint, which holds sex to be sacred. Sex is hilarious and nothing special. These pro-birth people need to slow their roll and just let women do what they feel is best for themselves. | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46524 Posts
On September 21 2015 12:03 IgnE wrote: Sex is not nothing special. I feel like there are a bunch of reasons why a person may consider sex to be special (as in, significant and memorable), from pregnancy, to orgasm, to intimacy with a partner, etc. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On September 21 2015 11:53 Buckyman wrote: You have this exactly backwards from the orthodox viewpoint, which holds sex to be sacred. If it was sacred, then parents would have a vested interest in kids receiving a lot of well-founded education on the subject. Unfortunately, they're not. Sex is not nothing special. Sex is special because it is the way in which we fulfill our evolutionary drive; survival of the species via reproduction. The only other things that are "special" about sex are emotional and entirely subjective; many people don't hold the physical act to be something "special". There is no feature or trait within the concept of sex that necessitates it being "special" in-and-of-itself to all people. And no, they aren't just ignorant to the how "special" it is. You don't get to be an armchair psychologist and dictate what individual acts are to all people. | ||
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