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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 17 2015 20:57 GMT
#46181
It is gross that it has taken this long to pay them and that the Supreme Court needed to rule on it at all.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44185 Posts
September 17 2015 20:58 GMT
#46182
On September 18 2015 05:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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The Obama administration has agreed to pay almost $1 billion to a group of Native American tribes — ending a decades-long battle for compensation from the government to cover the costs of mandated federal programs on reservations.

Interior Secretary Sally Jewell and Justice Department officials announced the proposed class-action settlement Thursday in a press conference call along with leaders from the Oglala Sioux Tribe, Zuni Pueblo and Ramah Chapter of the Navajo Nation.

“This landmark settlement represents another important step in the Obama Administration’s efforts to turn the page on past challenges in our government-to-government relationship with tribes,” Interior Secretary Sally Jewell said in a press release. “Tribal self-determination and self-governance will continue to be our North Star as we navigate a new chapter in this important relationship, and we are committed to fully funding contract support costs so that tribal contracting can be more successful.”

“Today’s announcement resolves past claims and allows money wrapped up in litigation to be used more productively,” she added.

The $940 million payout is the latest in a series of settlements resulting from a 2012 Supreme Court decision that ruled in favor of the tribes in a long-running dispute over shortfalls in federal funding for tribal programs. The settlement must still be approved in federal district court.


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Psh those Native Americans mooching off our land!

But in all seriousness, I'm glad Obama has been trying to step up relations with Cuba, Native Americans, etc.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 17 2015 20:59 GMT
#46183
My vote goes towards Eleanor Roosevelt that or Sally Ride.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 17 2015 21:03 GMT
#46184
On September 18 2015 05:55 cLutZ wrote:
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On September 18 2015 05:18 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On September 18 2015 04:46 cLutZ wrote:
I don't even know. I really don't. People paid to see this thing live too. I very much, don't know.





How is this politics?


Its not. I had too much Pseduo and Jimmy Fallon appeared.


Yup, my apologies - wasn't really paying attention to the previous discussion to put it into context.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44185 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-17 21:04:56
September 17 2015 21:03 GMT
#46185
On September 18 2015 05:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
My vote goes towards Eleanor Roosevelt that or Sally Ride.


I liked Susan B. Anthony too, and I give Christie some credit for Abigail Adams I guess. At least she's American, unlike Mother Teresa.

I'm surprised Mike Huckabee didn't say The Virgin Mary.
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Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
September 17 2015 21:13 GMT
#46186
The "can you name one american woman" question caught way too many of them off guard. I figured most candidates at this stage would have a prepared answer for that. Walker had a decent answer, but most sounded like they were winging it and did so terribly. Thatcher?? Jeb's got way too much money behind him to fumble on freebies like that
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4727 Posts
September 17 2015 21:21 GMT
#46187
Parks, Anthony, and Adams are all good answers. I give Christie credit for Adams, but maybe that's because I like them.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44185 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-17 21:23:45
September 17 2015 21:23 GMT
#46188
On September 18 2015 06:21 Introvert wrote:
Parks, Anthony, and Adams are all good answers. I give Christie credit for Adams, but maybe that's because I like them.


Cold read: You're not from New Jersey and you're not a public servant.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 17 2015 21:26 GMT
#46189
Nobody on Capitol Hill underestimates the lobbying clout of AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. For six decades — almost since the birth of Israel — AIPAC has presented itself as the deliberately bipartisan, and frequently victorious, voice of American-Israeli unity.

It has maintained this emphasis on bipartisanship even as American views of Israel have grown more partisan. Israel's politics have turned sharply rightward and are now much more closely aligned with American Republicans than with Democrats.

It's something Steve Rosen couldn't have imagined when he worked as AIPAC's foreign policy director from 1982 to 2005. "If AIPAC became a Republican organization it would cease to exist," he says of his outlook during that time.

So here's AIPAC's problem: While it's been walking that bipartisan line — it maintains its board of directors as a mix of Democrats and Republicans — Mideast politics in Washington have become a partisan football.

Last winter, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, invited Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to address a joint meeting of Congress. (It wasn't a joint session because that would have required both chambers to adopt a resolution to convene it, a high hurdle given the Iran deal.)

Netanyahu and the Republicans used his visit to underscore their united opposition to the deal.

AIPAC isn't in the business of opposing Israeli government positions. So it entered the partisan fray and opposed the Obama administration.

Aaron David Miller, a former Middle East negotiator for the State Department, and now a scholar at the Wilson International Center in Washington, said AIPAC's mission was doomed from the start.

"This pro-Israeli community has a powerful voice, there's no question about it," Miller said. "But it does not and has never had a veto over what a willful and skillful and determined American president does."

AIPAC's spokesman declined to speak on the record for this story.


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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4727 Posts
September 17 2015 21:30 GMT
#46190
On September 18 2015 06:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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On September 18 2015 06:21 Introvert wrote:
Parks, Anthony, and Adams are all good answers. I give Christie credit for Adams, but maybe that's because I like them.


Cold read: You're not from New Jersey and you're not a public servant.

Whoops, I meant I like John and Abigail Adams, lol. Not a fan of Christie, though almost certainly for different reasons than you.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44185 Posts
September 17 2015 21:39 GMT
#46191
On September 18 2015 06:30 Introvert wrote:
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On September 18 2015 06:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 18 2015 06:21 Introvert wrote:
Parks, Anthony, and Adams are all good answers. I give Christie credit for Adams, but maybe that's because I like them.


Cold read: You're not from New Jersey and you're not a public servant.

Whoops, I meant I like John and Abigail Adams, lol. Not a fan of Christie, though almost certainly for different reasons than you.


Ah gotcha
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Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1935 Posts
September 17 2015 21:52 GMT
#46192
On September 18 2015 06:21 Introvert wrote:
Parks, Anthony, and Adams are all good answers. I give Christie credit for Adams, but maybe that's because I like them.


Absolutely, but we got 4 good answers out of 11 candidates. It was a softball question where you just say something nice about Rosa Parks as the get out of jail free or have something different like Walker and Christie to stand out. I was just expecting more of the latter than the former. And definitely not expecting non-americans. Oh well, they've got, what, 8 more debates to prepare for?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 17 2015 21:58 GMT
#46193
The new New York Times-CBS News poll reveals that 39 percent of Republican primary and caucus goers see Donald Trump “as their best shot at winning the presidency.” That’s a 13-point jump since last month’s survey. This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Republican Party has officially lost its mind.

There is no other conclusion. Think about it. The GOP is rallying around a man who holds views on issues that are antithetical to everything we have grown accustomed to the right disliking. And he is doing so with language and a tone that Vice President Biden rightly said are “appealing to the baser side of human nature.”

The reality television star has said nice things about Planned Parenthood — while arguing for it to be defunded. Conservatives don’t like ANYTHING about it. At the first Republican debate, the Manhattan real estate mogul stood by his past support of single-payer health care. Conservatives have ALWAYS hated it. The Big Apple billionaire builder has called for raising taxes. Conservatives have NEVER seen a tax increase they liked or could support — EVER. So much so, the conservative Club for Growth is so now running ads against Trump in Iowa.

Folks are overlooking the substance because Trump has done a disturbingly terrific job of saying out loud what many on the right have been seething about for years. The Republican front-runner has said some of the most intemperate, gasp-worthy things a candidate has ever said in pursuit of the Oval Office. And yet, with each utterance we have watched Trump’s poll numbers soar along with the lusty cheers to his whines about political correctness. The far right is too through with having to be respectful of differences.

There is a way to talk about illegal immigration without branding an entire group of people “rapists.” There is a way to criticize Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) without denigrating his service to this nation. There is a way to criticize a female journalist, a female entertainer or a female opponent for the nomination without misogyny. But Trump didn’t do that. And with each offensive utterance, the man whose mantra is “Make America Great Again” rose in the polls.

The tenor and tone of the discussion in the Republican primary process are distressing to hear and watch. While many Democrats and others take delight in the right’s self-immolation, I do not. This democracy depends on a functioning two-party system with both parties operating in the real world and coming to the table with real solutions to the nation’s and the world’s problems. Even since the establishment of the Republican Party opted to dance with the tea party in 2010 (and the far-right fringe that glommed onto it), the party of Reagan has drifted so far to the right that even the man it so reveres would be an unwelcome stranger in it today.


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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 17 2015 21:58 GMT
#46194
On September 18 2015 06:21 Introvert wrote:
Parks, Anthony, and Adams are all good answers. I give Christie credit for Adams, but maybe that's because I like them.

jane addams, 2 d
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44185 Posts
September 17 2015 22:14 GMT
#46195
On September 18 2015 06:58 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2015 06:21 Introvert wrote:
Parks, Anthony, and Adams are all good answers. I give Christie credit for Adams, but maybe that's because I like them.

jane addams, 2 d


I was exactly thinking he meant The Addams Family, as were many of my friends lol

Morticia FTW!
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-17 22:18:55
September 17 2015 22:17 GMT
#46196
+1 for "thought he was talking about the addams family"

On September 18 2015 06:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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On September 18 2015 05:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
My vote goes towards Eleanor Roosevelt that or Sally Ride.


I liked Susan B. Anthony too, and I give Christie some credit for Abigail Adams I guess. At least she's American, unlike Mother Teresa.

I'm surprised Mike Huckabee didn't say The Virgin Mary.


and please, of course she is. Just like how Jesus was this pale guy with blond hair.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17967 Posts
September 17 2015 22:18 GMT
#46197
On September 18 2015 07:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2015 06:58 oneofthem wrote:
On September 18 2015 06:21 Introvert wrote:
Parks, Anthony, and Adams are all good answers. I give Christie credit for Adams, but maybe that's because I like them.

jane addams, 2 d


I was exactly thinking he meant The Addams Family, as were many of my friends lol

Morticia FTW!

Me too! Until he said John Adams by name, I was really having a WTF moment.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4727 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-17 22:25:55
September 17 2015 22:19 GMT
#46198
On September 18 2015 06:58 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2015 06:21 Introvert wrote:
Parks, Anthony, and Adams are all good answers. I give Christie credit for Adams, but maybe that's because I like them.

jane addams, 2 d


That's not nice. Different times.

Edit: rereading your comment, you could be commenting on their names. I have no idea. I most certainly meant Abigail Adams.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8001 Posts
September 17 2015 22:26 GMT
#46199
After a night to think it over

Winners: Fiorina, Kasich, Christie
Neutral: Trump, Bush, Carson, Rubio
Losers: Walker, Huckabee, Cruz, Paul

Honestly, I think Carson and Trump should be laughed off the stage with how little they know about anything-- but I thought the same thing with the last debate, and they became #1, #2.

The aforementioned losers needed a stand out performance. Walker was completely forgettable, Paul looked "resigned to his fate," Huckabee and Cruz are both courting the evangelicals that Carson/Trump currently has under their thumbs, and did nothing to change that imo.

Fiorina was the best; I think Kasich is a wily guy with an actually decent record to run on (unlike Walker), and he is quite clever in his answers. Christie performed better than the other 7-10 people imo
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-17 22:38:11
September 17 2015 22:28 GMT
#46200
I'd go with Katharine Hepburn but I tend to prefer culture figures to politicians though.

There's 0 percent chance of an atheist who once spoke at a socialist rally being on the 10 dollar bill though.

plus the U.S. seems to favor political/civil rights people for these things anyway.
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