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On September 18 2015 00:15 whatisthisasheep wrote:
On September 17 2015 22:54 Acrofales wrote: Having had a night of thought, I think Trump actually did a lot worse than I thought yesterday. Of course, I don't know how much his gaffs are going to hurt him, but there were a couple of moments where he really didn't look good.
1. Obviously the moment that he fucked up by dragging Carly's "face" into it was from before the debate, but Carly Fiorina really hit it home, and his answer was to just patronize her a bit more. He didn't own up to his comment, but tried to make it as if he never said it. It seems like a really bad move to try to gloss it over instead of apologizing for the insult. If his unfavourables with women were maybe dipping down, I expect them to be back in the stratosphere after this.
2. I think he really missed the ball with his answer about his lack of expertise on foreign policy. Instead of facing the issue head on, he tried to engage one of the hosts in a conversation to deflect the topic. Like. Wtf. Engage the other candidates, but trying to finnagle an endorsement out of the hosts seems like such a faux pas that I can't believe he went there... and then the bit about the list of Arabic names? It just seemed to come out of nowhere, and do nothing except illustrate his lack of content. Especially as the issue is pretty easy to deal with. Just point out that being the president is a completely unique job and that everybody on the stage has different strengths. Emphasise his years of experience leading big operations, and then assure everybody that he will not only study up on foreign policy, but will surround himself with a team of experts. He tried to do that at the end, but I feel it was too little, too late, after a long bit of waffling around the question in the weirdest of manners.
3. Vaccinations and autism. He should just have denied that hard instead of coming up with the completely absurd blurb about the baby that got sick from a vaccine and then blam, autism. Now most of the negative points on this part go to Ben Carson, who managed to fail hard on a medical issue (like.. wtf), but the fact remains that Trump confirming his complete anti-science stance can't possibly help him (can it?)
4. He reaffirmed how much of an asshole he was by lashing out at Rand Paul. Bringing up poll numbers to shut Paul up is yet another low blow in a sequence of low blows. You can call this Trump just being Trump, but I still believe that at some point he is going to have to stop acting like an 8-year old bully, because it might be entertaining, but nobody wants said 8-yo bully as their president.
As for Carson, I can't believe how bad that first answer was. Trying to be all buddy-buddy with Trump instead of just shutting that down hard and making a point of his own. It was so easy to do, too. Just say something like: "There is absolutely no correlation between vaccinations and autism. Not only has the science shown that, but the original evidence to the contrary was fraudulent. The science is incontrovertible on this matter." and then lead into whatever other point he wants to make, such as freedom of choice to be anti-vaxx on religious reasons or whatever. He could have started off with a joke to break the ice and establish his authority with a "Thank you for showing the good sense to consult with a medical doctor on medical issues". But his actual answer was just unbelievably weak on a point he should have been able to score a home run on.
According to drudge, 315,765 people think he won the debate while only 121,881 think Carly won the debate. So Trump doesn't have much to worry about. Don has the luxury of being able to make more campaign stops, generate more news coverage, gather bigger crowds then carly so Trump had a very low threshold to cross this debate.
Drudge's poll was being constantly linked in /pol/ so I would take their online poll with enough salt to give you a heart attack. I don't think /pol/ is exactly a representative sample of the Republican primary electorate (and someone dedicated there engineering 100K votes would be child's play).
It does explain the results of the poll, since Trump firmly hold the Internet Neo-Nazi demographic.
I do think the drudge poll is indicative of the whats to come because back in august it showed that 38 percent of people believe that Trump won and his support continued to rise. http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/drudge-poll-donald-trump-wins/2015/08/07/id/666039/ This time 52% of people think he won which is a double digit increase from last drudge poll with over twice as many voters particapating is statistically significant
Statistics from nonrepresentative samples are pretty meaningless for population parameter estimation no matter how big the numbers in the sample get but okay.
Edit: Heck, I'm pretty sure even Trump isn't sure he "won" the debate judging by what I saw him tell the CNN reporter afterwards. Certainly he wouldn't say 52% of people think he "won."
Trump reviewed the night on Morning Joe an hour ago
It's an internet poll. People vote who they like no matter of performance. You have to take that into account and look at how many people already like him vs how many people think he won the thing.
carly fiorina with the jump she made is just way more impressive and thus I'd easily argue she won the debate, even if the numbers still have trump as the most popular one. Noone really thought that'd change over a night. Pretty much no matter what.
At least these debates are less of a tire fire then 4 years ago. I doubt Carson is running for anything more then vice president after his feckless response on the vaccine question. Plus he's back so I doubt he has a real chance. Gloria is in the same boat but is business woman instead of doctor black.
I still think bush is the only chance the party has at the general election. That still saying that Clinton can hold onto a sinking ship for half a year till the primary season.
On September 18 2015 01:58 xDaunt wrote: Eh, I don't care about the online polls. The next set of real research polls will tell the story.
As for Trump, I'm not sure that his supporters are really going to change their minds on him after last night. What they saw is what they've already bought into -- warts and all. He's the anti-establishment renegade flying both middle fingers everywhere he goes. His core appeal is his argument that he's incorruptible because he's not beholden to campaign donors. In any other election cycle, this sales pitch wouldn't work.
It's rare I agree with xDaunt but I do here.
Trump may lose a sliver of support to Carly, but most Trump supporters saw exactly what they expected. If anything, not sticking to his guns on Carly's face probably tarnished his "speaks his mind/truth" medal.
This might be my naive across the pond view: But isn't a significant share of trump support people who are simply entertained by his antics? He can only keep that up so long before it gets stale - and there is months and months to go still. I believe there is a timer on Trump and as things get more serious towards the primaries he will start to lose support.
On September 18 2015 01:58 xDaunt wrote: Eh, I don't care about the online polls. The next set of real research polls will tell the story.
As for Trump, I'm not sure that his supporters are really going to change their minds on him after last night. What they saw is what they've already bought into -- warts and all. He's the anti-establishment renegade flying both middle fingers everywhere he goes. His core appeal is his argument that he's incorruptible because he's not beholden to campaign donors. In any other election cycle, this sales pitch wouldn't work.
It's rare I agree with xDaunt but I do here.
Trump may lose a sliver of support to Carly, but most Trump supporters saw exactly what they expected. If anything, not sticking to his guns on Carly's face probably tarnished his "speaks his mind/truth" medal.
This might be my naive across the pond view: But isn't a significant share of trump support people who are simply entertained by his antics? He can only keep that up so long before it gets stale - and there is months and months to go still. I believe there is a timer on Trump and as things get more serious towards the primaries he will start to lose support.
A lot of polling experts were floating that idea and it is a real possibility. The last group of elections have really pushed the primary season back and it’s questionable if people take it seriously. The Death March primaries get a lot of press, but that from 24 hour news networks that love the primary and election season for ratings. But there are a very real number of people that treat this shit like a reality show.
On September 18 2015 00:59 whatisthisasheep wrote: Clinton explained her email scandal on Jimmy Fallon last night
Not political, but Fallon isn't funny, or a good interviewer. His popularity is a great mystery to me. Plus the terrible band.
Granted, I don't watch that type of show much, so I suppose its similar to me not understanding why people like Big Brother.
I don't know how much of that clip was satire and how much was serious. A lot of times I find Fallon to be a pretty funny guy and he does cute games and sketches and stuff, so I think most consider his show to usually be light-hearted and feel-good. This clip was an outlier for me.
Not political, but Fallon isn't funny, or a good interviewer. His popularity is a great mystery to me. Plus the terrible band.
Granted, I don't watch that type of show much, so I suppose its similar to me not understanding why people like Big Brother.
I don't know how much of that clip was satire and how much was serious. A lot of times I find Fallon to be a pretty funny guy and he does cute games and sketches and stuff, so I think most consider his show to usually be light-hearted and feel-good. This clip was an outlier for me.
The clip was fine, I just don't understand Fallon. Watching him, for me, feels like watching a high school play. I just always think to myself, "this guy would be an average history teacher if he tried really hard."
Not political, but Fallon isn't funny, or a good interviewer. His popularity is a great mystery to me. Plus the terrible band. Granted, I don't watch that type of show much, so I suppose its similar to me not understanding why people like Big Brother.
T.T
the roots are fcking awesome, man.
Yes The Roots are awesome..
Big Brother has the same appeal as Donald Trump, they are quite LITERALLY the same category of brand appealing to the lowest common denominator lol.
That is probably why Fallon is a mystery. It is thoughtful, clever and light hearted. Not a bitchfest like Republican debates or welll... Big Brother...
Not political, but Fallon isn't funny, or a good interviewer. His popularity is a great mystery to me. Plus the terrible band.
Granted, I don't watch that type of show much, so I suppose its similar to me not understanding why people like Big Brother.
T.T
the roots are fcking awesome, man.
Perhaps they are theoretically. No band on any late night show is ever anything other than shit when I see them. Even when bands I like are on things like SNL they are shit. I understand they are there as filler because its impossible to produce that amount of content in a week. But still, shit.
Not political, but Fallon isn't funny, or a good interviewer. His popularity is a great mystery to me. Plus the terrible band. Granted, I don't watch that type of show much, so I suppose its similar to me not understanding why people like Big Brother.
T.T
the roots are fcking awesome, man.
Yes The Roots are awesome..
Big Brother has the same appeal as Donald Trump, they are quite LITERALLY the same category of brand appealing to the lowest common denominator lol.
That is probably why Fallon is a mystery. It is thoughtful, clever and light hearted. Not a bitchfest like Republican debates or welll... Big Brother...
Hmm, I dislike both... your evaluation rings quite false.
Not political, but Fallon isn't funny, or a good interviewer. His popularity is a great mystery to me. Plus the terrible band.
Granted, I don't watch that type of show much, so I suppose its similar to me not understanding why people like Big Brother.
T.T
the roots are fcking awesome, man.
Perhaps they are theoretically. No band on any late night show is ever anything other than shit when I see them. Even when bands I like are on things like SNL they are shit. I understand they are there as filler because its impossible to produce that amount of content in a week. But still, shit.
Not political, but Fallon isn't funny, or a good interviewer. His popularity is a great mystery to me. Plus the terrible band. Granted, I don't watch that type of show much, so I suppose its similar to me not understanding why people like Big Brother.
T.T
the roots are fcking awesome, man.
Yes The Roots are awesome..
Big Brother has the same appeal as Donald Trump, they are quite LITERALLY the same category of brand appealing to the lowest common denominator lol.
That is probably why Fallon is a mystery. It is thoughtful, clever and light hearted. Not a bitchfest like Republican debates or welll... Big Brother...
Hmm, I dislike both... your evaluation rings quite false.
Woah now, don't say shit you can't be takin' back.
You should legit check out The Roots, man, they are actually really good. They play filler music on a late night TV show, which is fine, but go check out their real stuff before you start throwing' S-bombs their way.
Last bid to kill Iran nuclear deal blocked in Senate
U.S. Senate Democrats on Thursday blocked legislation meant to kill the Iran nuclear deal for a third time, securing perhaps the greatest foreign policy win of President Barack Obama's six years in office and clearing the way to implement the accord.
By a 56-42 vote, the Republican-majority Senate fell short of the 60 votes needed to advance in the 100-member chamber.
Despite an intense and expensive lobbying effort against it, all but four of Obama's fellow Democrats backed the nuclear pact between the United States, five other world powers and Tehran announced in July.
With no more Senate votes this week, the result ensured Congress will not pass a resolution of disapproval that would have crippled the deal by eliminating Obama's ability to waive many sanctions.
A resolution would have had to pass both the Senate and House of Representatives by midnight Thursday, and survive Obama's veto, to be enacted.
The House, where Republicans also have a majority, never voted on the resolution, opting to pass three symbolic Iran-related measures that would not have affected the nuclear deal.
Two presidential hopefuls, Senators Rand Paul and Marco Rubio, missed the vote after a debate in California last night in which Republicans bashed the Iran deal. Two others, Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham, voted with every other Senate Republican to advance the resolution.
Four Democrats, Senators Ben Cardin, Joe Manchin, Robert Menendez and Charles Schumer, voted with the Republicans to advance the deal all three times.
Angry Republicans accused Democrats of denying the disapproval measure its due consideration in order to keep Obama from having to use his veto power.
"It will go into effect without the American people having their say," said John Cornyn, the Senate's second-ranked Republican.
Democrats accused Republicans of staging futile votes to embarrass the White House, while wasting time that could have been spent reaching a budget compromise to avoid a government shutdown on Sept. 30.
Senate Republican Majority Leader Mitch McConnell failed to lure any more Democrats into backing the disapproval resolution after it first came up in the Senate a week ago.
After two failed votes, McConnell sought to raise the political stakes by adding an amendment that would have barred Obama from easing sanctions unless Iran released American prisoners and recognized Israel's right to exist.
With Democrats objecting to adding non-nuclear issues to consideration of the deal, that procedural vote was also blocked, 53-45.
And the Republicans can stop throwing a hissy fit and move on to defunding whatever agency controls parts of the deal they don't like. Because losing gracfully isn't how they roll.
I still can't get over Jeb! wanting Thatcher on the 10 dollar bill. He couldn't think of any American women or does he just say what pops into his head first?
As the deadline to fund the government approaches, the House GOP leadership is floating a new plan that would allow members to rail against Planned Parenthood funding but avoid a government shutdown over the issue. The question is whether anti-abortion hardliners would sign on to a maneuver that has no chance of actually defunding the reproductive rights organization and wouldn't guarantee the political fireworks of a shutdown.
The route being hinted at by the House GOP leadership team this week would keep the government open past the Sept. 30 deadline through a stop-gap spending measure. The so-called "clean continuing resolution" would keep government spending levels at their current levels (Planned Parenthood funding included). But then to appease the hardliners, the leadership would push through a separate budget measure under "reconciliation" rules which would defund Planned Parenthood separately and could not be filibustered in the Senate.
This plan, still under consideration but emerging as a real alternative, would achieve a much-desired conservative goal: force Obama to grapple with Planned Parenthood funding directly, by either signing or vetoing it. But it would not force Obama to chose between funding the government and funding Planned Parenthood, a catch-22 that conservatives have been eager to put him in for weeks, despite's Obama assurance he would veto any legislation that defunded Planned Parenthood.
The idea was first raised publicly earlier this week by Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA), the House majority whip, who in a press conference Thursday called it "a method that can actually put a bill on President Obama’s desk with 51 votes in the Senate to stop this horrific practice."
Unlike typical legislation -- like the bill to place a year-long moratorium on Planned Parenthood funding the House is voting on this week -- budget reconciliation measures do not require a 60-vote cloture motion to advance in the Senate, as along as the measure reduces the federal deficit. That means Senate Democrats could not filibuster a budget reconciliation measure targeting Planned Parenthood.
On September 18 2015 05:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I still can't get over Jeb! wanting Thatcher on the 10 dollar bill. He couldn't think of any American women or does he just say what pops into his head first?
Yeah that was just frickin weird. It's not like he had to answer first... he could have just did what Trump did- make a stupid family joke and then agree with previous candidates on Rosa Parks. lol.
At least he didn't give a Palin answer: "Uhh, all of them! I want all the women on the $10 bill!"
Last bid to kill Iran nuclear deal blocked in Senate
U.S. Senate Democrats on Thursday blocked legislation meant to kill the Iran nuclear deal for a third time, securing perhaps the greatest foreign policy win of President Barack Obama's six years in office and clearing the way to implement the accord.
By a 56-42 vote, the Republican-majority Senate fell short of the 60 votes needed to advance in the 100-member chamber.
Despite an intense and expensive lobbying effort against it, all but four of Obama's fellow Democrats backed the nuclear pact between the United States, five other world powers and Tehran announced in July.
With no more Senate votes this week, the result ensured Congress will not pass a resolution of disapproval that would have crippled the deal by eliminating Obama's ability to waive many sanctions.
A resolution would have had to pass both the Senate and House of Representatives by midnight Thursday, and survive Obama's veto, to be enacted.
The House, where Republicans also have a majority, never voted on the resolution, opting to pass three symbolic Iran-related measures that would not have affected the nuclear deal.
Two presidential hopefuls, Senators Rand Paul and Marco Rubio, missed the vote after a debate in California last night in which Republicans bashed the Iran deal. Two others, Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham, voted with every other Senate Republican to advance the resolution.
Four Democrats, Senators Ben Cardin, Joe Manchin, Robert Menendez and Charles Schumer, voted with the Republicans to advance the deal all three times.
Angry Republicans accused Democrats of denying the disapproval measure its due consideration in order to keep Obama from having to use his veto power.
"It will go into effect without the American people having their say," said John Cornyn, the Senate's second-ranked Republican.
Democrats accused Republicans of staging futile votes to embarrass the White House, while wasting time that could have been spent reaching a budget compromise to avoid a government shutdown on Sept. 30.
Senate Republican Majority Leader Mitch McConnell failed to lure any more Democrats into backing the disapproval resolution after it first came up in the Senate a week ago.
After two failed votes, McConnell sought to raise the political stakes by adding an amendment that would have barred Obama from easing sanctions unless Iran released American prisoners and recognized Israel's right to exist.
With Democrats objecting to adding non-nuclear issues to consideration of the deal, that procedural vote was also blocked, 53-45.
And the Republicans can stop throwing a hissy fit and move on to defunding whatever agency controls parts of the deal they don't like. Because losing gracfully isn't how they roll.
Three cheers for diplomacy options and accountability and working with other countries instead of rushing into another war!!!
The Obama administration has agreed to pay almost $1 billion to a group of Native American tribes — ending a decades-long battle for compensation from the government to cover the costs of mandated federal programs on reservations.
Interior Secretary Sally Jewell and Justice Department officials announced the proposed class-action settlement Thursday in a press conference call along with leaders from the Oglala Sioux Tribe, Zuni Pueblo and Ramah Chapter of the Navajo Nation.
“This landmark settlement represents another important step in the Obama Administration’s efforts to turn the page on past challenges in our government-to-government relationship with tribes,” Interior Secretary Sally Jewell said in a press release. “Tribal self-determination and self-governance will continue to be our North Star as we navigate a new chapter in this important relationship, and we are committed to fully funding contract support costs so that tribal contracting can be more successful.”
“Today’s announcement resolves past claims and allows money wrapped up in litigation to be used more productively,” she added.
The $940 million payout is the latest in a series of settlements resulting from a 2012 Supreme Court decision that ruled in favor of the tribes in a long-running dispute over shortfalls in federal funding for tribal programs. The settlement must still be approved in federal district court.
Its not. I had too much Pseduo and Jimmy Fallon appeared.
On September 18 2015 05:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I still can't get over Jeb! wanting Thatcher on the 10 dollar bill. He couldn't think of any American women or does he just say what pops into his head first?
As the deadline to fund the government approaches, the House GOP leadership is floating a new plan that would allow members to rail against Planned Parenthood funding but avoid a government shutdown over the issue. The question is whether anti-abortion hardliners would sign on to a maneuver that has no chance of actually defunding the reproductive rights organization and wouldn't guarantee the political fireworks of a shutdown.
The route being hinted at by the House GOP leadership team this week would keep the government open past the Sept. 30 deadline through a stop-gap spending measure. The so-called "clean continuing resolution" would keep government spending levels at their current levels (Planned Parenthood funding included). But then to appease the hardliners, the leadership would push through a separate budget measure under "reconciliation" rules which would defund Planned Parenthood separately and could not be filibustered in the Senate.
This plan, still under consideration but emerging as a real alternative, would achieve a much-desired conservative goal: force Obama to grapple with Planned Parenthood funding directly, by either signing or vetoing it. But it would not force Obama to chose between funding the government and funding Planned Parenthood, a catch-22 that conservatives have been eager to put him in for weeks, despite's Obama assurance he would veto any legislation that defunded Planned Parenthood.
The idea was first raised publicly earlier this week by Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA), the House majority whip, who in a press conference Thursday called it "a method that can actually put a bill on President Obama’s desk with 51 votes in the Senate to stop this horrific practice."
Unlike typical legislation -- like the bill to place a year-long moratorium on Planned Parenthood funding the House is voting on this week -- budget reconciliation measures do not require a 60-vote cloture motion to advance in the Senate, as along as the measure reduces the federal deficit. That means Senate Democrats could not filibuster a budget reconciliation measure targeting Planned Parenthood.
I still dont get the push to rid us of Hamilton, I think hes a very interesting fellow. But my pick would be Amelia Earhart: Just look at that badass headgear. But, I guess she doesn't check the boxes who the people who care so much about who is on the dollar.
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