US Politics Mega-thread - Page 2107

On July 16 2015 03:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


Wouldn't making it easier for immigrants to obtain legalization/ documentation be a huge help to "securing our borders"?

That phrase seems to be a buzzphrase/ catchphrase for a ton of politicians who have no specific ideas on how to do it, anyway. (Unless you're Trump, in which you build you force the Mexicans to build a huge wall.)

On July 16 2015 04:07 heliusx wrote:
I have zero issues with making it fair and easier. What I do have a problem with is the opinion that anyone who wants to come should be allowed to. There are limits for a reason.

On July 16 2015 04:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


No one is saying there shouldn't be the appropriate protocols or background checks or whatever. You're making a slippery slope argument.

On July 16 2015 04:22 heliusx wrote:

You're misunderstanding but no big deal. I don't mean background checks, obviously legal immigrants get checked. I mean the amount of.people coming over.

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(New York, NY) July 15, 2015 - Today, Donald J. Trump filed his Personal Financial Disclosure (PFD) forms with the Federal Election Commission (FEC).

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On July 16 2015 05:29 Stratos_speAr wrote:


Are you fucking serious? This is some of the most insulting, condescending stuff I've heard coming from someone on these boards, and that's saying something.

The idea that "these jobs shouldn't be enough to support a family" is utterly ridiculous and screams of privileged ignorance. The reality is that the majority of people aren't intelligent enough or just aren't in a position to "get an education". Society needs workers that only have a high school education, and shouldn't stigmatize this as "settling" or somehow being lesser than having an education and a job correlating to it. The idea that they don't contribute to the economy is a joke; many of the essential services that make your life enjoyable are done by someone without an advanced education that's getting paid crap.

"These jobs aren't for supporting families" is utter bullshit. There will always be people to work these jobs because they will always be necessary. They shouldn't be resigned to a life of crushing poverty for it. "Everyone should get an education" is an ignorant pipe dream that isn't even remotely feasible due to the fact that there aren't enough jobs to hire everyone if they were all "educated". This is why you have a huge unemployment rate for college graduates right now, and many of them that are working are working jobs that only require a high school education.

On July 16 2015 05:29 Stratos_speAr wrote:


Are you fucking serious? This is some of the most insulting, condescending stuff I've heard coming from someone on these boards, and that's saying something.

The idea that "these jobs shouldn't be enough to support a family" is utterly ridiculous and screams of privileged ignorance. The reality is that the majority of people aren't intelligent enough or just aren't in a position to "get an education". Society needs workers that only have a high school education, and shouldn't stigmatize this as "settling" or somehow being lesser than having an education and a job correlating to it. The idea that they don't contribute to the economy is a joke; many of the essential services that make your life enjoyable are done by someone without an advanced education that's getting paid crap.

"These jobs aren't for supporting families" is utter bullshit. There will always be people to work these jobs because they will always be necessary. They shouldn't be resigned to a life of crushing poverty for it. "Everyone should get an education" is an ignorant pipe dream that isn't even remotely feasible due to the fact that there aren't enough jobs to hire everyone if they were all "educated". This is why you have a huge unemployment rate for college graduates right now, and many of them that are working are working jobs that only require a high school education.

On July 16 2015 05:58 JinDesu wrote:


I think, in Sermakola's POV (Serma, correct me if I'm wrong) and also some other's POV, minimum wage jobs such as fast food workers are for people to work in part time or during college years etc, as a means of getting money to fund their higher education. Therefore there will always be people in place to work in these jobs - and they will transition out to a better job in time for the next group of people that need those jobs. This is specifically the bottom rung of jobs in a ladder of occupations.