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On April 30 2015 05:29 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 05:24 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 05:21 Saumure wrote:On April 30 2015 05:20 Millitron wrote:
It's like arguing with 9/11 truthers. They saw the government did it. You show them evidence to the contrary, and they say the government fabricated that evidence. I'd like to see that evidence I don't have it. They're releasing it Friday. My point is that the report will be denied no matter how good it is. The root of the problem is do you trust that Baltimore Police Department as a whole. I am not really sure I do given the long history of issues in that city. Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 05:29 Gorsameth wrote:On April 30 2015 05:24 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 05:21 Saumure wrote:On April 30 2015 05:20 Millitron wrote:
It's like arguing with 9/11 truthers. They saw the government did it. You show them evidence to the contrary, and they say the government fabricated that evidence. I'd like to see that evidence I don't have it. They're releasing it Friday. My point is that the report will be denied no matter how good it is. You cant have cops investigate cops when they have a history of covering their own and expect it to be taken at face value. Even more so if the department in question has been known for issues for many years without reform. Plus as i said before. Even if nothing criminal is found does not mean the situation is socially acceptable. The US has a problem with some (one could argue many) police departments being rotten to the core. You cant expect people to not jump to conclusions just because 1 in 100 happens to be right. Excuse me. Do you get a lot of first hand experience with US police departments in the Netherlands? Or are you also living in the US and have had a lot of run ins with our police?
The Baltimore PD are all like Bunk and McNulty! I trust them! 
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On April 30 2015 05:58 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 05:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:*golfclap* AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott on Tuesday asked the State Guard to monitor a U.S. military training exercise dubbed "Jade Helm 15" amid Internet-fueled suspicions that the war simulation is really a hostile military takeover.
The request comes a day after more than 200 people packed a meeting in rural Bastrop County and questioned a U.S. Army commander about whether the government was planning to confiscate guns or implement martial law. Bastrop County Judge Paul Pape said "conspiracy theorists" and "fear mongers" had been in a frenzy.
Pape thanked Abbott for the letter to the Texas State Guard, which he believed helped emphasize the benefit of the military training rather than further fuel theorists.
"It's a sad when people's greatest fear is their own government," Pape said. "Think about the ramification of that. If Americans go to sleep at night worrying whether their own government is going to sell them out before morning, it'd be hard to sleep."
Suspicions about Jade Helm intensified on some conservative websites and social media after a map labeled Texas, Utah and parts of California as "hostile" for the purposes of the three-month training exercise that begins in July. Such war simulations aren't unusual, though the Army has acknowledged that the size and scope of Jade Helm makes it unique.
Texas and six other states are hosting the exercises on public and private lands. The Army says the terrain and topography in the areas selected are ideal to replicate foreign combat zones. Source There isn't a lot to do in Texas and I am unsure why we would want to take over land we already own. But it is Texas.
The idea is that it appears to be practice for occupying US territory. It looks like practice for martial law or something.
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On April 30 2015 05:29 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 05:24 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 05:21 Saumure wrote:On April 30 2015 05:20 Millitron wrote:
It's like arguing with 9/11 truthers. They saw the government did it. You show them evidence to the contrary, and they say the government fabricated that evidence. I'd like to see that evidence I don't have it. They're releasing it Friday. My point is that the report will be denied no matter how good it is. The root of the problem is do you trust that Baltimore Police Department as a whole. I am not really sure I do given the long history of issues in that city. Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 05:29 Gorsameth wrote:On April 30 2015 05:24 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 05:21 Saumure wrote:On April 30 2015 05:20 Millitron wrote:
It's like arguing with 9/11 truthers. They saw the government did it. You show them evidence to the contrary, and they say the government fabricated that evidence. I'd like to see that evidence I don't have it. They're releasing it Friday. My point is that the report will be denied no matter how good it is. You cant have cops investigate cops when they have a history of covering their own and expect it to be taken at face value. Even more so if the department in question has been known for issues for many years without reform. Plus as i said before. Even if nothing criminal is found does not mean the situation is socially acceptable. The US has a problem with some (one could argue many) police departments being rotten to the core. You cant expect people to not jump to conclusions just because 1 in 100 happens to be right. Excuse me. Do you get a lot of first hand experience with US police departments in the Netherlands? Or are you also living in the US and have had a lot of run ins with our police?
Your police kills roughly a thousand people each year. As a comparison, German police tends to kill ~5-10 people each year. You might notice how that number is roughly a hundred times smaller, while Germany has a population of roughly 1/4th of the US. Other western nation have similar statistics. Fun fact: The US police kills more people every year than the German police has killed in the history of the BRD.
I can not understand how one can argue that that is not a problem.
And if a cop kills someone, that should NEVER be investigated by the people he is working with. That is so obviously a problem that i can once again not understand how anyone can think of that as a good idea. You simply need an outside investigation by people who have no connections whatsoever to the people they investigate.
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On April 30 2015 06:00 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 05:58 Plansix wrote:On April 30 2015 05:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:*golfclap* AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott on Tuesday asked the State Guard to monitor a U.S. military training exercise dubbed "Jade Helm 15" amid Internet-fueled suspicions that the war simulation is really a hostile military takeover.
The request comes a day after more than 200 people packed a meeting in rural Bastrop County and questioned a U.S. Army commander about whether the government was planning to confiscate guns or implement martial law. Bastrop County Judge Paul Pape said "conspiracy theorists" and "fear mongers" had been in a frenzy.
Pape thanked Abbott for the letter to the Texas State Guard, which he believed helped emphasize the benefit of the military training rather than further fuel theorists.
"It's a sad when people's greatest fear is their own government," Pape said. "Think about the ramification of that. If Americans go to sleep at night worrying whether their own government is going to sell them out before morning, it'd be hard to sleep."
Suspicions about Jade Helm intensified on some conservative websites and social media after a map labeled Texas, Utah and parts of California as "hostile" for the purposes of the three-month training exercise that begins in July. Such war simulations aren't unusual, though the Army has acknowledged that the size and scope of Jade Helm makes it unique.
Texas and six other states are hosting the exercises on public and private lands. The Army says the terrain and topography in the areas selected are ideal to replicate foreign combat zones. Source There isn't a lot to do in Texas and I am unsure why we would want to take over land we already own. But it is Texas. The idea is that it appears to be practice for occupying US territory. It looks like practice for martial law or something.
The internet truly is a tool that can bring people together. And as more people are exposed to it and the barrier of entry gets lower, everyone is finding a group of people they can call their own.
Even if they are some of the dumbest people on the planet.
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On April 30 2015 06:09 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 06:00 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 05:58 Plansix wrote:On April 30 2015 05:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:*golfclap* AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott on Tuesday asked the State Guard to monitor a U.S. military training exercise dubbed "Jade Helm 15" amid Internet-fueled suspicions that the war simulation is really a hostile military takeover.
The request comes a day after more than 200 people packed a meeting in rural Bastrop County and questioned a U.S. Army commander about whether the government was planning to confiscate guns or implement martial law. Bastrop County Judge Paul Pape said "conspiracy theorists" and "fear mongers" had been in a frenzy.
Pape thanked Abbott for the letter to the Texas State Guard, which he believed helped emphasize the benefit of the military training rather than further fuel theorists.
"It's a sad when people's greatest fear is their own government," Pape said. "Think about the ramification of that. If Americans go to sleep at night worrying whether their own government is going to sell them out before morning, it'd be hard to sleep."
Suspicions about Jade Helm intensified on some conservative websites and social media after a map labeled Texas, Utah and parts of California as "hostile" for the purposes of the three-month training exercise that begins in July. Such war simulations aren't unusual, though the Army has acknowledged that the size and scope of Jade Helm makes it unique.
Texas and six other states are hosting the exercises on public and private lands. The Army says the terrain and topography in the areas selected are ideal to replicate foreign combat zones. Source There isn't a lot to do in Texas and I am unsure why we would want to take over land we already own. But it is Texas. The idea is that it appears to be practice for occupying US territory. It looks like practice for martial law or something. The internet truly is a tool that can bring people together. And as more people are exposed to it and the barrier of entry gets lower, everyone is finding a group of people they can call their own. Even if they are some of the dumbest people on the planet.
Not sure why you see that as a newish development - even in the golden days of usenet there were people clamouring about every conspiracy theory under the sun. Not sure which one was the most popular, but i think jews inventing relativity to destroy science from the inside, was a good one.
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On April 30 2015 06:09 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 05:29 Plansix wrote:On April 30 2015 05:24 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 05:21 Saumure wrote:On April 30 2015 05:20 Millitron wrote:
It's like arguing with 9/11 truthers. They saw the government did it. You show them evidence to the contrary, and they say the government fabricated that evidence. I'd like to see that evidence I don't have it. They're releasing it Friday. My point is that the report will be denied no matter how good it is. The root of the problem is do you trust that Baltimore Police Department as a whole. I am not really sure I do given the long history of issues in that city. On April 30 2015 05:29 Gorsameth wrote:On April 30 2015 05:24 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 05:21 Saumure wrote:On April 30 2015 05:20 Millitron wrote:
It's like arguing with 9/11 truthers. They saw the government did it. You show them evidence to the contrary, and they say the government fabricated that evidence. I'd like to see that evidence I don't have it. They're releasing it Friday. My point is that the report will be denied no matter how good it is. You cant have cops investigate cops when they have a history of covering their own and expect it to be taken at face value. Even more so if the department in question has been known for issues for many years without reform. Plus as i said before. Even if nothing criminal is found does not mean the situation is socially acceptable. The US has a problem with some (one could argue many) police departments being rotten to the core. You cant expect people to not jump to conclusions just because 1 in 100 happens to be right. Excuse me. Do you get a lot of first hand experience with US police departments in the Netherlands? Or are you also living in the US and have had a lot of run ins with our police? Your police kills roughly a thousand people each year. As a comparison, German police tends to kill ~5-10 people each year. You might notice how that number is roughly a hundred times smaller, while Germany has a population of roughly 1/4th of the US. Other western nation have similar statistics. I can not understand how one can argue that that is not a problem. And if a cop kills someone, that should NEVER be investigated by the people he is working with. That is so obviously a problem that i can once again not understand how anyone can think of that as a good idea. You simply need an outside investigation by people who have no connections whatsoever to the people they investigate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_affairs_(law_enforcement)
They are not investigated by people they work with. It is a separate law enforcement department. They are also being investigated by the Department of Justice.
And no one here is going to justify the fucked up nature of our police in the US. But saying they are all bad is just like me saying all Germans are racist because I saw one group of racist assholes in Germany. I am really sort of shocked you are trying to make this argument that sweeping generalizations are a good thing.
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Simberto -> I concur that there are serious issues of police killing too much; but as a point of fairness I must note that the US homicide number is about 25x that of Germany, so a lot of the difference just comes from that. There still of course remains a x4 result that represents the excess.
I also note Baltimore is a notably dangerous city, it's murder rate per capita is about 40x that of Germany.
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On April 30 2015 06:09 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 05:29 Plansix wrote:On April 30 2015 05:24 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 05:21 Saumure wrote:On April 30 2015 05:20 Millitron wrote:
It's like arguing with 9/11 truthers. They saw the government did it. You show them evidence to the contrary, and they say the government fabricated that evidence. I'd like to see that evidence I don't have it. They're releasing it Friday. My point is that the report will be denied no matter how good it is. The root of the problem is do you trust that Baltimore Police Department as a whole. I am not really sure I do given the long history of issues in that city. On April 30 2015 05:29 Gorsameth wrote:On April 30 2015 05:24 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 05:21 Saumure wrote:On April 30 2015 05:20 Millitron wrote:
It's like arguing with 9/11 truthers. They saw the government did it. You show them evidence to the contrary, and they say the government fabricated that evidence. I'd like to see that evidence I don't have it. They're releasing it Friday. My point is that the report will be denied no matter how good it is. You cant have cops investigate cops when they have a history of covering their own and expect it to be taken at face value. Even more so if the department in question has been known for issues for many years without reform. Plus as i said before. Even if nothing criminal is found does not mean the situation is socially acceptable. The US has a problem with some (one could argue many) police departments being rotten to the core. You cant expect people to not jump to conclusions just because 1 in 100 happens to be right. Excuse me. Do you get a lot of first hand experience with US police departments in the Netherlands? Or are you also living in the US and have had a lot of run ins with our police? Your police kills roughly a thousand people each year. As a comparison, German police tends to kill ~5-10 people each year. You might notice how that number is roughly a hundred times smaller, while Germany has a population of roughly 1/4th of the US. Other western nation have similar statistics. I can not understand how one can argue that that is not a problem. And if a cop kills someone, that should NEVER be investigated by the people he is working with. That is so obviously a problem that i can once again not understand how anyone can think of that as a good idea. You simply need an outside investigation by people who have no connections whatsoever to the people they investigate.
Germany has a lot less gang violence. The suspects killed by police here are usually not such controversial cases. They're mostly gunfights and car chases.
On April 30 2015 06:09 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 06:00 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 05:58 Plansix wrote:On April 30 2015 05:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:*golfclap* AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott on Tuesday asked the State Guard to monitor a U.S. military training exercise dubbed "Jade Helm 15" amid Internet-fueled suspicions that the war simulation is really a hostile military takeover.
The request comes a day after more than 200 people packed a meeting in rural Bastrop County and questioned a U.S. Army commander about whether the government was planning to confiscate guns or implement martial law. Bastrop County Judge Paul Pape said "conspiracy theorists" and "fear mongers" had been in a frenzy.
Pape thanked Abbott for the letter to the Texas State Guard, which he believed helped emphasize the benefit of the military training rather than further fuel theorists.
"It's a sad when people's greatest fear is their own government," Pape said. "Think about the ramification of that. If Americans go to sleep at night worrying whether their own government is going to sell them out before morning, it'd be hard to sleep."
Suspicions about Jade Helm intensified on some conservative websites and social media after a map labeled Texas, Utah and parts of California as "hostile" for the purposes of the three-month training exercise that begins in July. Such war simulations aren't unusual, though the Army has acknowledged that the size and scope of Jade Helm makes it unique.
Texas and six other states are hosting the exercises on public and private lands. The Army says the terrain and topography in the areas selected are ideal to replicate foreign combat zones. Source There isn't a lot to do in Texas and I am unsure why we would want to take over land we already own. But it is Texas. The idea is that it appears to be practice for occupying US territory. It looks like practice for martial law or something. The internet truly is a tool that can bring people together. And as more people are exposed to it and the barrier of entry gets lower, everyone is finding a group of people they can call their own. Even if they are some of the dumbest people on the planet.
Nothing wrong with a healthy distrust of the government.
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On April 30 2015 06:21 Millitron wrote:
Nothing wrong with a healthy distrust of the government.
There is healthy distrust and there is thinking your government is preparing for massive martial law to take away your constitutional guns.
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On April 30 2015 06:21 Millitron wrote:
Nothing wrong with a healthy distrust of the government.
Nothing those people are doing is healthy. That is just fear mongering out of ignorance.
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On April 30 2015 06:14 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 06:09 Simberto wrote:On April 30 2015 05:29 Plansix wrote:On April 30 2015 05:24 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 05:21 Saumure wrote:On April 30 2015 05:20 Millitron wrote:
It's like arguing with 9/11 truthers. They saw the government did it. You show them evidence to the contrary, and they say the government fabricated that evidence. I'd like to see that evidence I don't have it. They're releasing it Friday. My point is that the report will be denied no matter how good it is. The root of the problem is do you trust that Baltimore Police Department as a whole. I am not really sure I do given the long history of issues in that city. On April 30 2015 05:29 Gorsameth wrote:On April 30 2015 05:24 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 05:21 Saumure wrote:On April 30 2015 05:20 Millitron wrote:
It's like arguing with 9/11 truthers. They saw the government did it. You show them evidence to the contrary, and they say the government fabricated that evidence. I'd like to see that evidence I don't have it. They're releasing it Friday. My point is that the report will be denied no matter how good it is. You cant have cops investigate cops when they have a history of covering their own and expect it to be taken at face value. Even more so if the department in question has been known for issues for many years without reform. Plus as i said before. Even if nothing criminal is found does not mean the situation is socially acceptable. The US has a problem with some (one could argue many) police departments being rotten to the core. You cant expect people to not jump to conclusions just because 1 in 100 happens to be right. Excuse me. Do you get a lot of first hand experience with US police departments in the Netherlands? Or are you also living in the US and have had a lot of run ins with our police? Your police kills roughly a thousand people each year. As a comparison, German police tends to kill ~5-10 people each year. You might notice how that number is roughly a hundred times smaller, while Germany has a population of roughly 1/4th of the US. Other western nation have similar statistics. I can not understand how one can argue that that is not a problem. And if a cop kills someone, that should NEVER be investigated by the people he is working with. That is so obviously a problem that i can once again not understand how anyone can think of that as a good idea. You simply need an outside investigation by people who have no connections whatsoever to the people they investigate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_affairs_(law_enforcement)They are not investigated by people they work with. It is a separate law enforcement department. They are also being investigated by the Department of Justice. And no one here is going to justify the fucked up nature of our police in the US. But saying they are all bad is just like me saying all Germans are racist because I saw one group of racist assholes in Germany. I am really sort of shocked you are trying to make this argument that sweeping generalizations are a good thing.
I am not saying all cops are bad. I am saying that something is fundamentally broken in the police system for those sorts of statistics to arise. I do not wish to attack specific cops, as i am sure there are good cops and bad cops everywhere.
However, a well system will limit the effect of bad cops, and prevent them from actually doing bad things, while a badly designed system will allow bad cops to act freely, becoming worse and worse due to a lack of consequences, and possibly even corrupt the good people around them.
The american justice system and enforcement have major systemic flaws, as can easily be seen by looking at their results. The US imprisons more people than any other nation, US cops kill more people than any other western nation. Those are big problems that stem from major systemic problems.
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On April 30 2015 06:21 Millitron wrote:
[Germany has a lot less gang violence. The suspects killed by police here are usually not such controversial cases. They're mostly gunfights and car chases.
Germany has gangs, drug and human trafficing are profitable and widespread, every ingredient (you claim is unique?) about the american situation is present, yet the results are not the same.
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On April 30 2015 06:34 puerk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 06:21 Millitron wrote:
[Germany has a lot less gang violence. The suspects killed by police here are usually not such controversial cases. They're mostly gunfights and car chases. Germany has gangs, drug and human trafficing are profitable and widespread, every ingredient (you claim is unique?) about the american situation is present, yet the results are not the same.
I'm sure you do. But it's not nearly as widespread. We have cartels kidnapping people, taking them to Mexico, and beheading them. We have huge amounts of drug and weapons trafficking happening between the US and Mexico. Germany doesn't border a 3rd world country ruled by cartels. Our gangs make your gangs look like sunday school classes.
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On April 30 2015 06:14 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 06:09 Simberto wrote:On April 30 2015 05:29 Plansix wrote:On April 30 2015 05:24 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 05:21 Saumure wrote:On April 30 2015 05:20 Millitron wrote:
It's like arguing with 9/11 truthers. They saw the government did it. You show them evidence to the contrary, and they say the government fabricated that evidence. I'd like to see that evidence I don't have it. They're releasing it Friday. My point is that the report will be denied no matter how good it is. The root of the problem is do you trust that Baltimore Police Department as a whole. I am not really sure I do given the long history of issues in that city. On April 30 2015 05:29 Gorsameth wrote:On April 30 2015 05:24 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 05:21 Saumure wrote:On April 30 2015 05:20 Millitron wrote:
It's like arguing with 9/11 truthers. They saw the government did it. You show them evidence to the contrary, and they say the government fabricated that evidence. I'd like to see that evidence I don't have it. They're releasing it Friday. My point is that the report will be denied no matter how good it is. You cant have cops investigate cops when they have a history of covering their own and expect it to be taken at face value. Even more so if the department in question has been known for issues for many years without reform. Plus as i said before. Even if nothing criminal is found does not mean the situation is socially acceptable. The US has a problem with some (one could argue many) police departments being rotten to the core. You cant expect people to not jump to conclusions just because 1 in 100 happens to be right. Excuse me. Do you get a lot of first hand experience with US police departments in the Netherlands? Or are you also living in the US and have had a lot of run ins with our police? Your police kills roughly a thousand people each year. As a comparison, German police tends to kill ~5-10 people each year. You might notice how that number is roughly a hundred times smaller, while Germany has a population of roughly 1/4th of the US. Other western nation have similar statistics. I can not understand how one can argue that that is not a problem. And if a cop kills someone, that should NEVER be investigated by the people he is working with. That is so obviously a problem that i can once again not understand how anyone can think of that as a good idea. You simply need an outside investigation by people who have no connections whatsoever to the people they investigate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_affairs_(law_enforcement)They are not investigated by people they work with. It is a separate law enforcement department. They are also being investigated by the Department of Justice. And no one here is going to justify the fucked up nature of our police in the US. But saying they are all bad is just like me saying all Germans are racist because I saw one group of racist assholes in Germany. I am really sort of shocked you are trying to make this argument that sweeping generalizations are a good thing.
Well your wrong and right.
It is the same PD and under the same structure answering to the same people doing the investigation. There isn't even a hint of it being an 'independent' investigation. This man, + Show Spoiler +who is the Deputy commissioner of BPD is heading the 'investigation' that will be given to prosecutors on which they will decide whether or not to press charges.
Deputy Commissioner Kevin Davis, who is leading the police investigation into Gray's death...
Source
However as a result of all the public pressure around the country (it would not happen without it) the DOJ is doing it's own investigation. But it's certainly not standard procedure.
Can we all agree a lot of people are saying a lot of things and forming a lot of opinions and asserting facts from a place pretty ignorant of the specifics here?
EDIT: someone asked why I was still here... ^^^^ That's why. Otherwise you guys would argue among yourselves about a bunch of random crap and miss a ridiculously important and blatant falsity by someone who would be seen as a supporter of my position.
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Rofl.
Millitron in here
Pretending the wire isn't a realistic portrayal of Baltimore
Then turns 180 degrees and pretends that crime movies are what's really happening in America.
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On April 30 2015 06:42 Jormundr wrote:
Rofl.
Millitron in here
Pretending the wire isn't a realistic portrayal of Baltimore
Then turns 180 degrees and pretends that crime movies are what's really happening in America.
Liam Neeson has to rescue a family member every week in the US.
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On April 30 2015 06:42 Jormundr wrote:
Rofl.
Millitron in here
Pretending the wire isn't a realistic portrayal of Baltimore
Then turns 180 degrees and pretends that crime movies are what's really happening in America.
I am going to agree with him that we have larger issues with crime due to our proximity to Mexico and that countries problems. I am sure Germany has its own set of criminal issues that are not covered or we are not aware of simply because its all printed in German. Also German is like smaller that California. Its easier to have fewer problems when your tiny.
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On April 30 2015 06:42 Jormundr wrote:
Rofl.
Millitron in here
Pretending the wire isn't a realistic portrayal of Baltimore
Then turns 180 degrees and pretends that crime movies are what's really happening in America.
I never watched The Wire. I barely watch any TV at all.
Are gangs not a problem? Are cartels fictional?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narco-submarine
Cartels are so ridiculous they build submarines to smuggle their drugs in.
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You should just watch the Wire. Straight up it is better than all the TV out there in the world and you will respect both police and criminals by the end of it.
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On April 30 2015 06:53 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 06:42 Jormundr wrote:
Rofl.
Millitron in here
Pretending the wire isn't a realistic portrayal of Baltimore
Then turns 180 degrees and pretends that crime movies are what's really happening in America. I never watched The Wire. I barely watch any TV at all. Are gangs not a problem? Are cartels fictional?
Are you knowledgeable enough on gangs in the US, Mexico, and germany to compare them? Your assertions on that subject, and your claim that most police shootings are from "gunfights and car chases" show a massive disconnect with reality that would only coincide with hollywood bullshit.
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