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On April 30 2015 07:01 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 06:53 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 06:42 Jormundr wrote:
Rofl.
Millitron in here
Pretending the wire isn't a realistic portrayal of Baltimore
Then turns 180 degrees and pretends that crime movies are what's really happening in America. I never watched The Wire. I barely watch any TV at all. Are gangs not a problem? Are cartels fictional? Are you knowledgeable enough on gangs in the US, Mexico, and germany to compare them? Your assertions on that subject, and your claim that most police shootings are from "gunfights and car chases" show a massive disconnect with reality that would only coincide with hollywood bullshit.
So you're telling me most police killings are police murdering innocent people for no reason? And I'm the one with a massive disconnect with reality?
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So far you have posited:
-Always gunfights/car chases
-always murdering innocents
-Some unsubstantiated stuff about how gangs r tuffer in the US, dem boyz in blue gotta b strong
Hard to take you seriously.
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On April 30 2015 07:08 Jormundr wrote:
So far you have posited:
-Always gunfights/car chases
-always murdering innocents
-Some unsubstantiated stuff about how gangs r tuffer in the US, dem boyz in blue gotta b strong
Hard to take you seriously.
I never said always. I find it very hard to believe though, that a significant number of police killings are as controversial as the few that have made the news lately. I'm sure some are not legitimate, but to claim that the number of killings alone, regardless of their legitimacy, is evidence that something is wrong is ridiculous.
Does Germany border a 3rd world country? Does Germany have a land-route to the drug fields of South America?
I think you're jumping to conclusions; that I think cops are all saints. I don't. They need better oversight. They should have mandatory cameras. The War on Drugs needs to end. They need to get rid of fines. But they're not all murdering, racist thugs either.
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On April 30 2015 07:14 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 07:08 Jormundr wrote:
So far you have posited:
-Always gunfights/car chases
-always murdering innocents
-Some unsubstantiated stuff about how gangs r tuffer in the US, dem boyz in blue gotta b strong
Hard to take you seriously.
I never said always. I find it very hard to believe though, that a significant number of police killings are as controversial as the few that have made the news lately. I'm sure some are not legitimate, but to claim that the number of killings alone, regardless of their legitimacy, is evidence that something is wrong is ridiculous. Does Germany border a 3rd world country? Does Germany have a land-route to the drug fields of South America? I think you're jumping to conclusions; that I think cops are all saints. I don't. They need better oversight. They should have mandatory cameras. The War on Drugs needs to end. They need to get rid of fines. But they're not all murdering, racist thugs either.
Independent investigations too right? Which we all know is what we don't have in Baltimore? At least tell me that fact got through? To anyone?
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I will never understand your weird fascination with survival of the fittest and admiration of warlords and similar or accompanying circumstances.
Your infividual actors are no different than elsewhere in the world, black gangsters are not genetically more violent than the russian mafia, vietnamese gangs (although they lost their territories here already in the nineties as far as i am aware, so they are less relevant), bulgarian mafia and our own homegrown crime syndicates.. be it rocker gangs, or the bouncers
your crime numbers are improving year after year as jonny makes a great effort about pointing out again and again, yet your police degenerates into ever more violence, over less and less actual crime happening.
Does Germany border a 3rd world country? Does Germany have a land-route to the drug fields of South America?
I can not and will not believe that somebody can be this vocal about a topic he has so little clue about.
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Again with the hyperbole. Nobody has said that cops are all saints or all sinners. However, in many metro PDs, it has become abundantly clear that almost EVERY member of the force will protect every other member of the force from the legal repercussions of their actions.
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On April 30 2015 07:18 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 07:14 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 07:08 Jormundr wrote:
So far you have posited:
-Always gunfights/car chases
-always murdering innocents
-Some unsubstantiated stuff about how gangs r tuffer in the US, dem boyz in blue gotta b strong
Hard to take you seriously.
I never said always. I find it very hard to believe though, that a significant number of police killings are as controversial as the few that have made the news lately. I'm sure some are not legitimate, but to claim that the number of killings alone, regardless of their legitimacy, is evidence that something is wrong is ridiculous. Does Germany border a 3rd world country? Does Germany have a land-route to the drug fields of South America? I think you're jumping to conclusions; that I think cops are all saints. I don't. They need better oversight. They should have mandatory cameras. The War on Drugs needs to end. They need to get rid of fines. But they're not all murdering, racist thugs either. Independent investigations too right? Which we all know is what we don't have in Baltimore? At least tell me that fact got through?
Yeah, independent investigations too.
On April 30 2015 07:20 puerk wrote:
I will never understand your weird fascination with survival of the fittest and admiration of warlords and similar or accompanying circumstances.
Your infividual actors are no different than elsewhere in the world, black gangsters are not genetically more violent than the russian mafia, vietnamese gangs (although they lost their territories here already in the nineties as far as i am aware, so they are less relevant), bulgarian mafia and our own homegrown crime syndicates.. be it rocker gangs, or the bouncers
your crime numbers are improving year after year as jonny makes a great effort about pointing out again and again, yet your police degenerates into ever more violence, over less and less actual crime happening.
All I am saying is that it is possible that the police need to kill more here than the police in Germany. I am saying a comparison based solely on the total number is ridiculous.
Germany had ~3000 traffic fatalities in 2013. The US had ~36000. Following your kind of logic, drivers in the US are horrible.
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On April 30 2015 07:30 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 07:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 30 2015 07:14 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 07:08 Jormundr wrote:
So far you have posited:
-Always gunfights/car chases
-always murdering innocents
-Some unsubstantiated stuff about how gangs r tuffer in the US, dem boyz in blue gotta b strong
Hard to take you seriously.
I never said always. I find it very hard to believe though, that a significant number of police killings are as controversial as the few that have made the news lately. I'm sure some are not legitimate, but to claim that the number of killings alone, regardless of their legitimacy, is evidence that something is wrong is ridiculous. Does Germany border a 3rd world country? Does Germany have a land-route to the drug fields of South America? I think you're jumping to conclusions; that I think cops are all saints. I don't. They need better oversight. They should have mandatory cameras. The War on Drugs needs to end. They need to get rid of fines. But they're not all murdering, racist thugs either. Independent investigations too right? Which we all know is what we don't have in Baltimore? At least tell me that fact got through? Yeah, independent investigations too. Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 07:20 puerk wrote:
I will never understand your weird fascination with survival of the fittest and admiration of warlords and similar or accompanying circumstances.
Your infividual actors are no different than elsewhere in the world, black gangsters are not genetically more violent than the russian mafia, vietnamese gangs (although they lost their territories here already in the nineties as far as i am aware, so they are less relevant), bulgarian mafia and our own homegrown crime syndicates.. be it rocker gangs, or the bouncers
your crime numbers are improving year after year as jonny makes a great effort about pointing out again and again, yet your police degenerates into ever more violence, over less and less actual crime happening. All I am saying is that it is possible that the police need to kill more here than the police in Germany. I am saying a comparison based solely on the total number is ridiculous. Germany had ~3000 traffic fatalities in 2013. The US had ~36000. Following your kind of logic, drivers in the US are horrible.
As some one who drives in California, US drivers are shit.
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United States44286 Posts
On April 30 2015 07:30 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 07:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 30 2015 07:14 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 07:08 Jormundr wrote:
So far you have posited:
-Always gunfights/car chases
-always murdering innocents
-Some unsubstantiated stuff about how gangs r tuffer in the US, dem boyz in blue gotta b strong
Hard to take you seriously.
I never said always. I find it very hard to believe though, that a significant number of police killings are as controversial as the few that have made the news lately. I'm sure some are not legitimate, but to claim that the number of killings alone, regardless of their legitimacy, is evidence that something is wrong is ridiculous. Does Germany border a 3rd world country? Does Germany have a land-route to the drug fields of South America? I think you're jumping to conclusions; that I think cops are all saints. I don't. They need better oversight. They should have mandatory cameras. The War on Drugs needs to end. They need to get rid of fines. But they're not all murdering, racist thugs either. Independent investigations too right? Which we all know is what we don't have in Baltimore? At least tell me that fact got through? Yeah, independent investigations too. Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 07:20 puerk wrote:
I will never understand your weird fascination with survival of the fittest and admiration of warlords and similar or accompanying circumstances.
Your infividual actors are no different than elsewhere in the world, black gangsters are not genetically more violent than the russian mafia, vietnamese gangs (although they lost their territories here already in the nineties as far as i am aware, so they are less relevant), bulgarian mafia and our own homegrown crime syndicates.. be it rocker gangs, or the bouncers
your crime numbers are improving year after year as jonny makes a great effort about pointing out again and again, yet your police degenerates into ever more violence, over less and less actual crime happening. All I am saying is that it is possible that the police need to kill more here than the police in Germany. I am saying a comparison based solely on the total number is ridiculous. Germany had ~3000 traffic fatalities in 2013. The US had ~36000. Following your kind of logic, drivers in the US are horrible.
Seriously? You're asking that question? Have you ever driven in Europe? Americans can't drive for shit.
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On April 30 2015 07:20 puerk wrote:I will never understand your weird fascination with survival of the fittest and admiration of warlords and similar or accompanying circumstances. Your infividual actors are no different than elsewhere in the world, black gangsters are not genetically more violent than the russian mafia, vietnamese gangs (although they lost their territories here already in the nineties as far as i am aware, so they are less relevant), bulgarian mafia and our own homegrown crime syndicates.. be it rocker gangs, or the bouncers your crime numbers are improving year after year as jonny makes a great effort about pointing out again and again, yet your police degenerates into ever more violence, over less and less actual crime happening.Show nested quote +Does Germany border a 3rd world country? Does Germany have a land-route to the drug fields of South America? I can not and will not believe that somebody can be this vocal about a topic he has so little clue about.
Is that correct? IIRC police have been using firearms less, etc. However, I'm hardly an expert so the question is honest.
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On April 30 2015 07:30 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 07:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 30 2015 07:14 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 07:08 Jormundr wrote:
So far you have posited:
-Always gunfights/car chases
-always murdering innocents
-Some unsubstantiated stuff about how gangs r tuffer in the US, dem boyz in blue gotta b strong
Hard to take you seriously.
I never said always. I find it very hard to believe though, that a significant number of police killings are as controversial as the few that have made the news lately. I'm sure some are not legitimate, but to claim that the number of killings alone, regardless of their legitimacy, is evidence that something is wrong is ridiculous. Does Germany border a 3rd world country? Does Germany have a land-route to the drug fields of South America? I think you're jumping to conclusions; that I think cops are all saints. I don't. They need better oversight. They should have mandatory cameras. The War on Drugs needs to end. They need to get rid of fines. But they're not all murdering, racist thugs either. Independent investigations too right? Which we all know is what we don't have in Baltimore? At least tell me that fact got through? Yeah, independent investigations too. Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 07:20 puerk wrote:
I will never understand your weird fascination with survival of the fittest and admiration of warlords and similar or accompanying circumstances.
Your infividual actors are no different than elsewhere in the world, black gangsters are not genetically more violent than the russian mafia, vietnamese gangs (although they lost their territories here already in the nineties as far as i am aware, so they are less relevant), bulgarian mafia and our own homegrown crime syndicates.. be it rocker gangs, or the bouncers
your crime numbers are improving year after year as jonny makes a great effort about pointing out again and again, yet your police degenerates into ever more violence, over less and less actual crime happening. All I am saying is that it is possible that the police need to kill more here than the police in Germany. I am saying a comparison based solely on the total number is ridiculous. Germany had ~3000 traffic fatalities in 2013. The US had ~36000. Following your kind of logic, drivers in the US are horrible.
Damn I really wanted to try to defend your position since you acknowledged we should have independent investigations and that's not what's happening in Baltimore, but damn...
US drivers are much worse than German drivers (along with our laws again). Obviously there are lots of factors but that's a terrible example lol.
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On April 30 2015 07:34 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 07:30 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 07:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 30 2015 07:14 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 07:08 Jormundr wrote:
So far you have posited:
-Always gunfights/car chases
-always murdering innocents
-Some unsubstantiated stuff about how gangs r tuffer in the US, dem boyz in blue gotta b strong
Hard to take you seriously.
I never said always. I find it very hard to believe though, that a significant number of police killings are as controversial as the few that have made the news lately. I'm sure some are not legitimate, but to claim that the number of killings alone, regardless of their legitimacy, is evidence that something is wrong is ridiculous. Does Germany border a 3rd world country? Does Germany have a land-route to the drug fields of South America? I think you're jumping to conclusions; that I think cops are all saints. I don't. They need better oversight. They should have mandatory cameras. The War on Drugs needs to end. They need to get rid of fines. But they're not all murdering, racist thugs either. Independent investigations too right? Which we all know is what we don't have in Baltimore? At least tell me that fact got through? Yeah, independent investigations too. On April 30 2015 07:20 puerk wrote:
I will never understand your weird fascination with survival of the fittest and admiration of warlords and similar or accompanying circumstances.
Your infividual actors are no different than elsewhere in the world, black gangsters are not genetically more violent than the russian mafia, vietnamese gangs (although they lost their territories here already in the nineties as far as i am aware, so they are less relevant), bulgarian mafia and our own homegrown crime syndicates.. be it rocker gangs, or the bouncers
your crime numbers are improving year after year as jonny makes a great effort about pointing out again and again, yet your police degenerates into ever more violence, over less and less actual crime happening. All I am saying is that it is possible that the police need to kill more here than the police in Germany. I am saying a comparison based solely on the total number is ridiculous. Germany had ~3000 traffic fatalities in 2013. The US had ~36000. Following your kind of logic, drivers in the US are horrible. Seriously? You're asking that question? Have you ever driven in Europe? Americans can't drive for shit.
omg so racists 
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On April 30 2015 07:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 07:34 KwarK wrote:On April 30 2015 07:30 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 07:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 30 2015 07:14 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 07:08 Jormundr wrote:
So far you have posited:
-Always gunfights/car chases
-always murdering innocents
-Some unsubstantiated stuff about how gangs r tuffer in the US, dem boyz in blue gotta b strong
Hard to take you seriously.
I never said always. I find it very hard to believe though, that a significant number of police killings are as controversial as the few that have made the news lately. I'm sure some are not legitimate, but to claim that the number of killings alone, regardless of their legitimacy, is evidence that something is wrong is ridiculous. Does Germany border a 3rd world country? Does Germany have a land-route to the drug fields of South America? I think you're jumping to conclusions; that I think cops are all saints. I don't. They need better oversight. They should have mandatory cameras. The War on Drugs needs to end. They need to get rid of fines. But they're not all murdering, racist thugs either. Independent investigations too right? Which we all know is what we don't have in Baltimore? At least tell me that fact got through? Yeah, independent investigations too. On April 30 2015 07:20 puerk wrote:
I will never understand your weird fascination with survival of the fittest and admiration of warlords and similar or accompanying circumstances.
Your infividual actors are no different than elsewhere in the world, black gangsters are not genetically more violent than the russian mafia, vietnamese gangs (although they lost their territories here already in the nineties as far as i am aware, so they are less relevant), bulgarian mafia and our own homegrown crime syndicates.. be it rocker gangs, or the bouncers
your crime numbers are improving year after year as jonny makes a great effort about pointing out again and again, yet your police degenerates into ever more violence, over less and less actual crime happening. All I am saying is that it is possible that the police need to kill more here than the police in Germany. I am saying a comparison based solely on the total number is ridiculous. Germany had ~3000 traffic fatalities in 2013. The US had ~36000. Following your kind of logic, drivers in the US are horrible. Seriously? You're asking that question? Have you ever driven in Europe? Americans can't drive for shit. omg so racists
What I would give for American's to actually think we were a race
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United States44286 Posts
On April 30 2015 07:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 07:34 KwarK wrote:On April 30 2015 07:30 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 07:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 30 2015 07:14 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 07:08 Jormundr wrote:
So far you have posited:
-Always gunfights/car chases
-always murdering innocents
-Some unsubstantiated stuff about how gangs r tuffer in the US, dem boyz in blue gotta b strong
Hard to take you seriously.
I never said always. I find it very hard to believe though, that a significant number of police killings are as controversial as the few that have made the news lately. I'm sure some are not legitimate, but to claim that the number of killings alone, regardless of their legitimacy, is evidence that something is wrong is ridiculous. Does Germany border a 3rd world country? Does Germany have a land-route to the drug fields of South America? I think you're jumping to conclusions; that I think cops are all saints. I don't. They need better oversight. They should have mandatory cameras. The War on Drugs needs to end. They need to get rid of fines. But they're not all murdering, racist thugs either. Independent investigations too right? Which we all know is what we don't have in Baltimore? At least tell me that fact got through? Yeah, independent investigations too. On April 30 2015 07:20 puerk wrote:
I will never understand your weird fascination with survival of the fittest and admiration of warlords and similar or accompanying circumstances.
Your infividual actors are no different than elsewhere in the world, black gangsters are not genetically more violent than the russian mafia, vietnamese gangs (although they lost their territories here already in the nineties as far as i am aware, so they are less relevant), bulgarian mafia and our own homegrown crime syndicates.. be it rocker gangs, or the bouncers
your crime numbers are improving year after year as jonny makes a great effort about pointing out again and again, yet your police degenerates into ever more violence, over less and less actual crime happening. All I am saying is that it is possible that the police need to kill more here than the police in Germany. I am saying a comparison based solely on the total number is ridiculous. Germany had ~3000 traffic fatalities in 2013. The US had ~36000. Following your kind of logic, drivers in the US are horrible. Seriously? You're asking that question? Have you ever driven in Europe? Americans can't drive for shit. omg so racists
I'm sure if you guys required the same amount of study and lessons as I had to do in Europe and hadn't turned the roads into some kind of insane ego fuelled arms race you'd be fine. This idea that road safety is only achieved by being the biggest most aggressive vehicle on the road is pretty nuts. So many trucks 
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On April 30 2015 07:36 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 07:30 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 07:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 30 2015 07:14 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 07:08 Jormundr wrote:
So far you have posited:
-Always gunfights/car chases
-always murdering innocents
-Some unsubstantiated stuff about how gangs r tuffer in the US, dem boyz in blue gotta b strong
Hard to take you seriously.
I never said always. I find it very hard to believe though, that a significant number of police killings are as controversial as the few that have made the news lately. I'm sure some are not legitimate, but to claim that the number of killings alone, regardless of their legitimacy, is evidence that something is wrong is ridiculous. Does Germany border a 3rd world country? Does Germany have a land-route to the drug fields of South America? I think you're jumping to conclusions; that I think cops are all saints. I don't. They need better oversight. They should have mandatory cameras. The War on Drugs needs to end. They need to get rid of fines. But they're not all murdering, racist thugs either. Independent investigations too right? Which we all know is what we don't have in Baltimore? At least tell me that fact got through? Yeah, independent investigations too. On April 30 2015 07:20 puerk wrote:
I will never understand your weird fascination with survival of the fittest and admiration of warlords and similar or accompanying circumstances.
Your infividual actors are no different than elsewhere in the world, black gangsters are not genetically more violent than the russian mafia, vietnamese gangs (although they lost their territories here already in the nineties as far as i am aware, so they are less relevant), bulgarian mafia and our own homegrown crime syndicates.. be it rocker gangs, or the bouncers
your crime numbers are improving year after year as jonny makes a great effort about pointing out again and again, yet your police degenerates into ever more violence, over less and less actual crime happening. All I am saying is that it is possible that the police need to kill more here than the police in Germany. I am saying a comparison based solely on the total number is ridiculous. Germany had ~3000 traffic fatalities in 2013. The US had ~36000. Following your kind of logic, drivers in the US are horrible. Damn I really wanted to try to defend your position since you acknowledged we should have independent investigations and that's not what's happening in Baltimore, but damn... US drivers are much worse than German drivers (along with our laws again). Obviously there are lots of factors but that's a terrible example lol.
And yet the comparison of police killing statistics in the US and in Germany is thrown around as if the only factor is that German police are all kind pacifists while American police are all jackbooted thugs looking to murder. There has been no appreciation from puerk or Jormundr that there is likely more at work here than simple total # of killings can tell us.
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On April 30 2015 07:35 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 07:20 puerk wrote:I will never understand your weird fascination with survival of the fittest and admiration of warlords and similar or accompanying circumstances. Your infividual actors are no different than elsewhere in the world, black gangsters are not genetically more violent than the russian mafia, vietnamese gangs (although they lost their territories here already in the nineties as far as i am aware, so they are less relevant), bulgarian mafia and our own homegrown crime syndicates.. be it rocker gangs, or the bouncers your crime numbers are improving year after year as jonny makes a great effort about pointing out again and again, yet your police degenerates into ever more violence, over less and less actual crime happening.Does Germany border a 3rd world country? Does Germany have a land-route to the drug fields of South America? I can not and will not believe that somebody can be this vocal about a topic he has so little clue about. Is that correct? IIRC police have been using firearms less, etc. However, I'm hardly an expert so the question is honest.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/increasing-police-brutality-americans-killed-by-cops-now-outnumber-americans-killed-in-iraq-war/5361554
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On April 30 2015 07:42 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 07:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 30 2015 07:30 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 07:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 30 2015 07:14 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 07:08 Jormundr wrote:
So far you have posited:
-Always gunfights/car chases
-always murdering innocents
-Some unsubstantiated stuff about how gangs r tuffer in the US, dem boyz in blue gotta b strong
Hard to take you seriously.
I never said always. I find it very hard to believe though, that a significant number of police killings are as controversial as the few that have made the news lately. I'm sure some are not legitimate, but to claim that the number of killings alone, regardless of their legitimacy, is evidence that something is wrong is ridiculous. Does Germany border a 3rd world country? Does Germany have a land-route to the drug fields of South America? I think you're jumping to conclusions; that I think cops are all saints. I don't. They need better oversight. They should have mandatory cameras. The War on Drugs needs to end. They need to get rid of fines. But they're not all murdering, racist thugs either. Independent investigations too right? Which we all know is what we don't have in Baltimore? At least tell me that fact got through? Yeah, independent investigations too. On April 30 2015 07:20 puerk wrote:
I will never understand your weird fascination with survival of the fittest and admiration of warlords and similar or accompanying circumstances.
Your infividual actors are no different than elsewhere in the world, black gangsters are not genetically more violent than the russian mafia, vietnamese gangs (although they lost their territories here already in the nineties as far as i am aware, so they are less relevant), bulgarian mafia and our own homegrown crime syndicates.. be it rocker gangs, or the bouncers
your crime numbers are improving year after year as jonny makes a great effort about pointing out again and again, yet your police degenerates into ever more violence, over less and less actual crime happening. All I am saying is that it is possible that the police need to kill more here than the police in Germany. I am saying a comparison based solely on the total number is ridiculous. Germany had ~3000 traffic fatalities in 2013. The US had ~36000. Following your kind of logic, drivers in the US are horrible. Damn I really wanted to try to defend your position since you acknowledged we should have independent investigations and that's not what's happening in Baltimore, but damn... US drivers are much worse than German drivers (along with our laws again). Obviously there are lots of factors but that's a terrible example lol. And yet the comparison of police killing statistics in the US and in Germany is thrown around as if the only factor is that German police are all kind pacifists while American police are all jackbooted thugs looking to murder. There has been no appreciation from puerk or Jormundr that there is likely more at work here than simple total # of killings can tell us.
Well, this seems to be supported. Crime has been declining. Police violence has been decreasing.
And while I cannot confirm, I really doubt that crime is down because of police being more thuggish.
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On April 30 2015 07:42 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 07:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On April 30 2015 07:34 KwarK wrote:On April 30 2015 07:30 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 07:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 30 2015 07:14 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 07:08 Jormundr wrote:
So far you have posited:
-Always gunfights/car chases
-always murdering innocents
-Some unsubstantiated stuff about how gangs r tuffer in the US, dem boyz in blue gotta b strong
Hard to take you seriously.
I never said always. I find it very hard to believe though, that a significant number of police killings are as controversial as the few that have made the news lately. I'm sure some are not legitimate, but to claim that the number of killings alone, regardless of their legitimacy, is evidence that something is wrong is ridiculous. Does Germany border a 3rd world country? Does Germany have a land-route to the drug fields of South America? I think you're jumping to conclusions; that I think cops are all saints. I don't. They need better oversight. They should have mandatory cameras. The War on Drugs needs to end. They need to get rid of fines. But they're not all murdering, racist thugs either. Independent investigations too right? Which we all know is what we don't have in Baltimore? At least tell me that fact got through? Yeah, independent investigations too. On April 30 2015 07:20 puerk wrote:
I will never understand your weird fascination with survival of the fittest and admiration of warlords and similar or accompanying circumstances.
Your infividual actors are no different than elsewhere in the world, black gangsters are not genetically more violent than the russian mafia, vietnamese gangs (although they lost their territories here already in the nineties as far as i am aware, so they are less relevant), bulgarian mafia and our own homegrown crime syndicates.. be it rocker gangs, or the bouncers
your crime numbers are improving year after year as jonny makes a great effort about pointing out again and again, yet your police degenerates into ever more violence, over less and less actual crime happening. All I am saying is that it is possible that the police need to kill more here than the police in Germany. I am saying a comparison based solely on the total number is ridiculous. Germany had ~3000 traffic fatalities in 2013. The US had ~36000. Following your kind of logic, drivers in the US are horrible. Seriously? You're asking that question? Have you ever driven in Europe? Americans can't drive for shit. omg so racists I'm sure if you guys required the same amount of study and lessons as I had to do in Europe and hadn't turned the roads into some kind of insane ego fuelled arms race you'd be fine. This idea that road safety is only achieved by being the biggest most aggressive vehicle on the road is pretty nuts. So many trucks
I hate trucks and big vehicles on the road too. For people who live in rural areas or work in construction they're really useful though.
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On April 30 2015 07:42 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 07:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 30 2015 07:30 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 07:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 30 2015 07:14 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 07:08 Jormundr wrote:
So far you have posited:
-Always gunfights/car chases
-always murdering innocents
-Some unsubstantiated stuff about how gangs r tuffer in the US, dem boyz in blue gotta b strong
Hard to take you seriously.
I never said always. I find it very hard to believe though, that a significant number of police killings are as controversial as the few that have made the news lately. I'm sure some are not legitimate, but to claim that the number of killings alone, regardless of their legitimacy, is evidence that something is wrong is ridiculous. Does Germany border a 3rd world country? Does Germany have a land-route to the drug fields of South America? I think you're jumping to conclusions; that I think cops are all saints. I don't. They need better oversight. They should have mandatory cameras. The War on Drugs needs to end. They need to get rid of fines. But they're not all murdering, racist thugs either. Independent investigations too right? Which we all know is what we don't have in Baltimore? At least tell me that fact got through? Yeah, independent investigations too. On April 30 2015 07:20 puerk wrote:
I will never understand your weird fascination with survival of the fittest and admiration of warlords and similar or accompanying circumstances.
Your infividual actors are no different than elsewhere in the world, black gangsters are not genetically more violent than the russian mafia, vietnamese gangs (although they lost their territories here already in the nineties as far as i am aware, so they are less relevant), bulgarian mafia and our own homegrown crime syndicates.. be it rocker gangs, or the bouncers
your crime numbers are improving year after year as jonny makes a great effort about pointing out again and again, yet your police degenerates into ever more violence, over less and less actual crime happening. All I am saying is that it is possible that the police need to kill more here than the police in Germany. I am saying a comparison based solely on the total number is ridiculous. Germany had ~3000 traffic fatalities in 2013. The US had ~36000. Following your kind of logic, drivers in the US are horrible. Damn I really wanted to try to defend your position since you acknowledged we should have independent investigations and that's not what's happening in Baltimore, but damn... US drivers are much worse than German drivers (along with our laws again). Obviously there are lots of factors but that's a terrible example lol. And yet the comparison of police killing statistics in the US and in Germany is thrown around as if the only factor is that German police are all kind pacifists while American police are all jackbooted thugs looking to murder. There has been no appreciation from puerk or Jormundr that there is likely more at work here than simple total # of killings can tell us.
They may or may not agree with your characterization but I think the larger point is the Baltimore posts have made it abundantly clear that there are very different perceptions of the importance (and primary sources) of addressing what most people still agree is a problem (Excessively violent and confrontational police [as a part of a larger set of issues]) Even if they qualify it with "well we don't know how much of it is just black people being more criminal" (read: every situation where there isn't a mountain of evidence "Com'on guys why wouldn't we trust the police investigating their coworkers right?").
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On April 30 2015 07:42 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2015 07:36 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On April 30 2015 07:34 KwarK wrote:On April 30 2015 07:30 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 07:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 30 2015 07:14 Millitron wrote:On April 30 2015 07:08 Jormundr wrote:
So far you have posited:
-Always gunfights/car chases
-always murdering innocents
-Some unsubstantiated stuff about how gangs r tuffer in the US, dem boyz in blue gotta b strong
Hard to take you seriously.
I never said always. I find it very hard to believe though, that a significant number of police killings are as controversial as the few that have made the news lately. I'm sure some are not legitimate, but to claim that the number of killings alone, regardless of their legitimacy, is evidence that something is wrong is ridiculous. Does Germany border a 3rd world country? Does Germany have a land-route to the drug fields of South America? I think you're jumping to conclusions; that I think cops are all saints. I don't. They need better oversight. They should have mandatory cameras. The War on Drugs needs to end. They need to get rid of fines. But they're not all murdering, racist thugs either. Independent investigations too right? Which we all know is what we don't have in Baltimore? At least tell me that fact got through? Yeah, independent investigations too. On April 30 2015 07:20 puerk wrote:
I will never understand your weird fascination with survival of the fittest and admiration of warlords and similar or accompanying circumstances.
Your infividual actors are no different than elsewhere in the world, black gangsters are not genetically more violent than the russian mafia, vietnamese gangs (although they lost their territories here already in the nineties as far as i am aware, so they are less relevant), bulgarian mafia and our own homegrown crime syndicates.. be it rocker gangs, or the bouncers
your crime numbers are improving year after year as jonny makes a great effort about pointing out again and again, yet your police degenerates into ever more violence, over less and less actual crime happening. All I am saying is that it is possible that the police need to kill more here than the police in Germany. I am saying a comparison based solely on the total number is ridiculous. Germany had ~3000 traffic fatalities in 2013. The US had ~36000. Following your kind of logic, drivers in the US are horrible. Seriously? You're asking that question? Have you ever driven in Europe? Americans can't drive for shit. omg so racists I'm sure if you guys required the same amount of study and lessons as I had to do in Europe and hadn't turned the roads into some kind of insane ego fuelled arms race you'd be fine. This idea that road safety is only achieved by being the biggest most aggressive vehicle on the road is pretty nuts. So many trucks
This description fits perfectly with my experience with driving in Poland except with smaller cars. All driving laws are suggestions and pedestrians can go fuck themselves. This seems pretty common across the board the bigger the cities get, though I have never been to England and I was only in Germany for a day trip.
The problem with these discussions is that it seems it tends to decay into 2 sides that get further from each other rather then building any sort of bridge to come to understanding. Then all nuance of a highly complex social problem get lost and the larger population boil things down into the basic and easy to digest side where their side does no wrong and the other side might as well be satan.
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