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On April 28 2015 14:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So apparently the men in the suits earlier in the day were members of the Nation of Islam protecting houses etc.
Do they protect the houses by directly confronting or stopping people who attempt to enter or is it mostly intimidation where they just stand there and the rioters move on?
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On April 28 2015 14:44 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 14:38 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:29 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:22 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:11 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 13:58 YoureFired wrote:On April 28 2015 13:51 travis wrote:
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LOL
right. so as a white guy, my desire to stay informed on the riots so as to not get stabbed on my way to school makes me a racist
Also: if you think the riots are in response to oppression rather than a result of lackluster upbringing, then you haven't been paying attention. the ones who are rioting clearly don't give a shit about freddie gray You should be an informed citizen and I support you staying safe! That doesn't mean I am not critical of the media's general sensationalism of the event, and its relatively one-dimensional coverage. And to your second point: whooooaaaa there. That is explicitly racist. What do you think makes their upbringings so shitty? lots of stuff. I think it would be ignorant to simply label it as "oppression", but if you disagree than that's your opinion.
Its tough to grow up when your friends get into gangs and drugs when they're in middle school and your dad is locked up.
okay
It also sucks when your family has no cumulative wealth because you were stolen from your homeland and forced to work as a slave.
Umm, they weren't slaves dude, their ancestors were. Please join us in reality. I live in reality, it's a place where I take responsibility for my own life, just like my parents did.
Basically, please consider that there are people who have different life experiences than you; life is much tougher (in general; there are exceptions like with everything) for Black people, and its not their fault for that.
ok that's great except for that what I said was that their behavior in these riots is not a response to oppression. I did not say that it didn't obscurely result from oppression, because I don't think that is the case. I know that everything results from causes. However, if we look at this reasonably, the rioting is a result of a desire for thuggery and opportunism. If they cared about oppression they would not have been rioting, they would have been protesting. But today they actually would have been doing nothing per the request of Freddie Gray's family. The rioting was started by high school kids... It's not like it was Al Sharpton out there throwing rocks. It was largely teenagers, not typically the type to handle the nuance of fighting oppression. You don't know anything about what it's like for them so you should just not speak to their motives. How would you know how much I can identify with another person. Who do you think you are? And how does them being high school kids do anything to undermine what I am saying. Look, I am generally patient but the stupidity of what some of you are saying is pissing me off. If you think looting a CVS or a 7/11 for some drugs and snacks, or burning down a local business isn't motivated by the desire to "cause trouble and start shit", then I don't know what to tell you because you aren't seeing what is obvious. The tone of your post says it all. right. so as a white guy, my desire to stay informed on the riots so as to not get stabbed on my way to school makes me a racist Please explain what you mean by that because I don't see the problem with what I said - and the tone that you interpret may not necessarily be the tone I intended (which really was no tone at all it was supposed to be as to the point as possible). If you don't even have a clue what it is I can't help you in a couple short posts and I don't have the patience or desire to walk you through an entire course on oppression and privilege. Well I suspect that the actual truth is that you are afraid that if you try to explain what you meant my reply will make you look silly. Otherwise I invite you to do so because you called me out but aren't willing to follow through. Like I said if you really want to understand you can start by answering why Freddie Gray was arrested and why/how his neck was broken. Otherwise I can't really believe you want to understand.
I am not sure why he was arrested. I don't think an official reason has been given. If you are going to say that it is because the police were harassing him, then I would agree that this is an entirely possible cause. It may have had some sort of legitimate basis but as far as I can tell why he was arrested isn't really the main issue here.
How was his spine severed? They probably beat him to death.
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Also, it's interesting to see the front pages of various news sites to see their coverage.
On CNN, Baltimore news is overshadowed by new death tolls in the Nepal earthquake, now passing 4400.
On NYT, Baltimore is the big one, overshadowing news from Nepal and a new military agreement between the US and Japan. They have a sidebar about the Supreme Court on gay marriage.
On WSJ, their exclusive interview with Obama about the TPP overshadows Baltimore and Nepal.
On WaPo, Baltimore is the main splash, overshadowing Nepal, the Supreme Court on gay marriage, and questions about a Japanese apology for war crimes when their PM gives a speech to Congress on Wednesday.
On Fox News, Baltimore is the main splash. The secondary stuff is trivial - Apple Watches not being delivered, the Texas professor who melted down and quit, and someone solving a Rubik's cube in six seconds.
On Financial Times, Baltimore is the main splash. The other big news is Apple's monster earnings in China.
On Reuters, Baltimore is the main splash, overshadowing Nepal, gay marriage, and Apple.
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What i find strange... When there are "demonstrations gone violent" here. There still is barely any looting, destruction? Sure... Looting? Not in amounts worth reporting about.
Btw: My Father organised his fair share of protests (mostly farmers stuff)... He once told me, the worst thing that can happen to a cause, is a 100% peacefull protest, because no one gives a shit about these. Not that he willingly sparked anything of the sort but for him that just seemed to be a fact.
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On April 28 2015 14:51 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 14:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:38 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:29 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:22 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:11 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 13:58 YoureFired wrote:
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You should be an informed citizen and I support you staying safe! That doesn't mean I am not critical of the media's general sensationalism of the event, and its relatively one-dimensional coverage.
And to your second point: whooooaaaa there. That is explicitly racist. What do you think makes their upbringings so shitty?
lots of stuff. I think it would be ignorant to simply label it as "oppression", but if you disagree than that's your opinion.
Its tough to grow up when your friends get into gangs and drugs when they're in middle school and your dad is locked up.
okay
It also sucks when your family has no cumulative wealth because you were stolen from your homeland and forced to work as a slave.
Umm, they weren't slaves dude, their ancestors were. Please join us in reality. I live in reality, it's a place where I take responsibility for my own life, just like my parents did.
Basically, please consider that there are people who have different life experiences than you; life is much tougher (in general; there are exceptions like with everything) for Black people, and its not their fault for that.
ok that's great except for that what I said was that their behavior in these riots is not a response to oppression. I did not say that it didn't obscurely result from oppression, because I don't think that is the case. I know that everything results from causes. However, if we look at this reasonably, the rioting is a result of a desire for thuggery and opportunism. If they cared about oppression they would not have been rioting, they would have been protesting. But today they actually would have been doing nothing per the request of Freddie Gray's family. The rioting was started by high school kids... It's not like it was Al Sharpton out there throwing rocks. It was largely teenagers, not typically the type to handle the nuance of fighting oppression. You don't know anything about what it's like for them so you should just not speak to their motives. How would you know how much I can identify with another person. Who do you think you are? And how does them being high school kids do anything to undermine what I am saying. Look, I am generally patient but the stupidity of what some of you are saying is pissing me off. If you think looting a CVS or a 7/11 for some drugs and snacks, or burning down a local business isn't motivated by the desire to "cause trouble and start shit", then I don't know what to tell you because you aren't seeing what is obvious. The tone of your post says it all. right. so as a white guy, my desire to stay informed on the riots so as to not get stabbed on my way to school makes me a racist Please explain what you mean by that because I don't see the problem with what I said - and the tone that you interpret may not necessarily be the tone I intended (which really was no tone at all it was supposed to be as to the point as possible). If you don't even have a clue what it is I can't help you in a couple short posts and I don't have the patience or desire to walk you through an entire course on oppression and privilege. Well I suspect that the actual truth is that you are afraid that if you try to explain what you meant my reply will make you look silly. Otherwise I invite you to do so because you called me out but aren't willing to follow through. Like I said if you really want to understand you can start by answering why Freddie Gray was arrested and why/how his neck was broken. Otherwise I can't really believe you want to understand. I am not sure why he was arrested. I don't think an official reason has been given. If you are going to say that it is because the police were harassing him, then I would agree that this is an entirely possible cause. It may have had some sort of legitimate basis but as far as I can tell why he was arrested isn't really the main issue here. How was his spine severed? They probably beat him to death.
Ok so a guy was arrested and beaten weeks ago then died and the police haven't been able to so much as give a reason as to why he was arrested let alone how or why his neck was broken.
Yet you can go to any news source and get the information you're looking for so you don't have to worry about imaginary stabbings on your way to school (like seriously where do you even get that shit from?). Meanwhile a family and the residents of Baltimore have to wait weeks to hear something as simple as what the preliminary justification for his arrest was (which the police are required by law to have at the time of the arrest) or how/when the mans neck was broken while in police custody, or how/why they didn't call for the prescribed medical treatment they are expected to do under their procedures. And you still can't see it?
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On April 28 2015 14:58 Velr wrote:
Btw: My Father organised his fair share of protests (mostly farmers stuff)... He once told me, the worst thing that can happen to a cause, is a 100% peacefull protest, because no one gives a shit about these. Not that he willingly sparked anything of the sort but for him that just seemed to be a fact.
That's 200 % true ! Violence is still a great political tool. The problem is looting and blind violence is pretty undiscriminate and unclear politically, it's proto-politics rather than real political violence.
The farmers are great protesters, they know how to make shit work.
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On April 28 2015 15:00 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 14:51 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:38 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:29 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:22 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:14 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:11 travis wrote:
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lots of stuff. I think it would be ignorant to simply label it as "oppression", but if you disagree than that's your opinion.
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okay
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Umm, they weren't slaves dude, their ancestors were. Please join us in reality. I live in reality, it's a place where I take responsibility for my own life, just like my parents did.
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ok that's great except for that what I said was that their behavior in these riots is not a response to oppression. I did not say that it didn't obscurely result from oppression, because I don't think that is the case. I know that everything results from causes. However, if we look at this reasonably, the rioting is a result of a desire for thuggery and opportunism. If they cared about oppression they would not have been rioting, they would have been protesting. But today they actually would have been doing nothing per the request of Freddie Gray's family.
The rioting was started by high school kids... It's not like it was Al Sharpton out there throwing rocks. It was largely teenagers, not typically the type to handle the nuance of fighting oppression. You don't know anything about what it's like for them so you should just not speak to their motives. How would you know how much I can identify with another person. Who do you think you are? And how does them being high school kids do anything to undermine what I am saying. Look, I am generally patient but the stupidity of what some of you are saying is pissing me off. If you think looting a CVS or a 7/11 for some drugs and snacks, or burning down a local business isn't motivated by the desire to "cause trouble and start shit", then I don't know what to tell you because you aren't seeing what is obvious. The tone of your post says it all. right. so as a white guy, my desire to stay informed on the riots so as to not get stabbed on my way to school makes me a racist Please explain what you mean by that because I don't see the problem with what I said - and the tone that you interpret may not necessarily be the tone I intended (which really was no tone at all it was supposed to be as to the point as possible). If you don't even have a clue what it is I can't help you in a couple short posts and I don't have the patience or desire to walk you through an entire course on oppression and privilege. Well I suspect that the actual truth is that you are afraid that if you try to explain what you meant my reply will make you look silly. Otherwise I invite you to do so because you called me out but aren't willing to follow through. Like I said if you really want to understand you can start by answering why Freddie Gray was arrested and why/how his neck was broken. Otherwise I can't really believe you want to understand. I am not sure why he was arrested. I don't think an official reason has been given. If you are going to say that it is because the police were harassing him, then I would agree that this is an entirely possible cause. It may have had some sort of legitimate basis but as far as I can tell why he was arrested isn't really the main issue here. How was his spine severed? They probably beat him to death. Ok so a guy was arrested and beaten weeks ago then died and the police haven't been able to so much as give a reason as to why he was arrested let alone how or why his neck was broken. Yet you can go to any news source and get the information you're looking for so you don't have to worry about imaginary stabbings on your way to school (like seriously where do you even get that shit from?). Meanwhile a family and the residents of Baltimore have to wait weeks to hear something as simple as what the preliminary justification for his arrest was (which the police are required by law to have at the time of the arrest) or how/when the mans neck was broken while in police custody, or how/why they didn't call for the prescribed medical treatment they are expected to do under their procedures. And you still can't see it?
If you think it's not dangerous for a white guy to walk to Lexington Market, ride the metro from Lexington Market to Mondawmin, and then walk from Mondawmin to Baltimore City Community College right now, then you don't know much about Baltimore and probably shouldn't be commenting on what I said.
I've been riding the metro here for a year. There is rarely another white person on the metro. It's been cool, I don't feel unsafe, even though I know people are often thinking "look, a white guy". And that's fine. But right now there are a lot of angry people, and a lot of thugs out looking to cause trouble and to pick fights. I know a lone white guy would make a great target. Actually I would put odds at me getting stabbed today if I got caught at Mondawmin at the wrong time. Thankfully I didn't have class so I didn't go out.
A white student at my Fiance's school 2 blocks from here actually was attacked just outside the school. And that's a much safer area. White people have been targeted by some angry black people. You don't want to go to the wrong places right now. This is reality.
If you don't know about it, rather than acting like I am making up wild fantasies, maybe you should ask me for more information.
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On April 28 2015 14:58 Velr wrote:
What i find strange... When there are "demonstrations gone violent" here. There still is barely any looting, destruction? Sure... Looting? Not in amounts worth reporting about.
Btw: My Father organised his fair share of protests (mostly farmers stuff)... He once told me, the worst thing that can happen to a cause, is a 100% peacefull protest, because no one gives a shit about these. Not that he willingly sparked anything of the sort but for him that just seemed to be a fact.
NYT has a map of the reported looting and destruction so far. I'm not sure what you consider "barely any". It's less bad than other riots in US history, but this is only the first day and it is unusual that a lot of police officers were injured.
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On April 28 2015 15:09 coverpunch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 14:58 Velr wrote:
What i find strange... When there are "demonstrations gone violent" here. There still is barely any looting, destruction? Sure... Looting? Not in amounts worth reporting about.
Btw: My Father organised his fair share of protests (mostly farmers stuff)... He once told me, the worst thing that can happen to a cause, is a 100% peacefull protest, because no one gives a shit about these. Not that he willingly sparked anything of the sort but for him that just seemed to be a fact. NYT has a map of the reported looting and destruction so far. I'm not sure what you consider "barely any". It's less bad than other riots in US history, but this is only the first day and it is unusual that a lot of police officers were injured.
Any bad injuries ? Or just some bruises due to projectiles (rock or bottle) ? If so, then I'd say stop crying.
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On April 28 2015 15:10 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 15:09 coverpunch wrote:On April 28 2015 14:58 Velr wrote:
What i find strange... When there are "demonstrations gone violent" here. There still is barely any looting, destruction? Sure... Looting? Not in amounts worth reporting about.
Btw: My Father organised his fair share of protests (mostly farmers stuff)... He once told me, the worst thing that can happen to a cause, is a 100% peacefull protest, because no one gives a shit about these. Not that he willingly sparked anything of the sort but for him that just seemed to be a fact. NYT has a map of the reported looting and destruction so far. I'm not sure what you consider "barely any". It's less bad than other riots in US history, but this is only the first day and it is unusual that a lot of police officers were injured. Any bad injuries ? Or just some bruises due to projectiles (rock or bottle) ? If so, then I'd say stop crying.
One officer was reported in a coma, and a woman was rushed to the hospital after several guys tried to pull her away from her car.
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On April 28 2015 15:17 Jaaaaasper wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 15:10 WhiteDog wrote:On April 28 2015 15:09 coverpunch wrote:On April 28 2015 14:58 Velr wrote:
What i find strange... When there are "demonstrations gone violent" here. There still is barely any looting, destruction? Sure... Looting? Not in amounts worth reporting about.
Btw: My Father organised his fair share of protests (mostly farmers stuff)... He once told me, the worst thing that can happen to a cause, is a 100% peacefull protest, because no one gives a shit about these. Not that he willingly sparked anything of the sort but for him that just seemed to be a fact. NYT has a map of the reported looting and destruction so far. I'm not sure what you consider "barely any". It's less bad than other riots in US history, but this is only the first day and it is unusual that a lot of police officers were injured. Any bad injuries ? Or just some bruises due to projectiles (rock or bottle) ? If so, then I'd say stop crying. One officer was reported in a coma, and a woman was rushed to the hospital after several guys tried to pull her away from her car.
Then real injuries. Yeah that's the kind of problem with blind violence : the interpretation of the acts are unclear. What's the point in injuring a police officer (aside maybe for self defence) ? Go to the city hall and trash the maire's office, that's not up to interpretation, but don't use a real political motive to get yourself a free PS4.
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On April 28 2015 15:10 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 15:09 coverpunch wrote:On April 28 2015 14:58 Velr wrote:
What i find strange... When there are "demonstrations gone violent" here. There still is barely any looting, destruction? Sure... Looting? Not in amounts worth reporting about.
Btw: My Father organised his fair share of protests (mostly farmers stuff)... He once told me, the worst thing that can happen to a cause, is a 100% peacefull protest, because no one gives a shit about these. Not that he willingly sparked anything of the sort but for him that just seemed to be a fact. NYT has a map of the reported looting and destruction so far. I'm not sure what you consider "barely any". It's less bad than other riots in US history, but this is only the first day and it is unusual that a lot of police officers were injured. Any bad injuries ? Or just some bruises due to projectiles (rock or bottle) ? If so, then I'd say stop crying.
Are you seriously conditioning this on "bad injuries" and telling me to "stop crying" otherwise for talking about injuries?
I know you only asked to be a prick, but Baltimore PD says two officers are still in the hospital. One was knocked out and the other seems to have a broken knee. Four others are "seriously injured" but were released from the hospital.
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On April 28 2015 15:20 coverpunch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 15:10 WhiteDog wrote:On April 28 2015 15:09 coverpunch wrote:On April 28 2015 14:58 Velr wrote:
What i find strange... When there are "demonstrations gone violent" here. There still is barely any looting, destruction? Sure... Looting? Not in amounts worth reporting about.
Btw: My Father organised his fair share of protests (mostly farmers stuff)... He once told me, the worst thing that can happen to a cause, is a 100% peacefull protest, because no one gives a shit about these. Not that he willingly sparked anything of the sort but for him that just seemed to be a fact. NYT has a map of the reported looting and destruction so far. I'm not sure what you consider "barely any". It's less bad than other riots in US history, but this is only the first day and it is unusual that a lot of police officers were injured. Any bad injuries ? Or just some bruises due to projectiles (rock or bottle) ? If so, then I'd say stop crying. Are you seriously conditioning this on "bad injuries" and telling me to "stop crying" otherwise for talking about injuries? I know you only asked to be a prick, but Baltimore PD says two officers are still in the hospital. One was knocked out and the other seems to have a broken knee. Four others are "seriously injured" but were released from the hospital.
Most of the time, policemen just lie / conflate reality. It's an information game more than anything, and modern police does a lot of propaganda. Policework is less dangerous than many other type of work, but they still present theirselves as heroes facing the darkness of the city, batman-like.
Reality is, for the most part, police in our societies is the power, and power rarely suffer any drawback.
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On April 28 2015 15:08 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 15:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:51 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:38 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:29 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:22 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:14 GreenHorizons wrote:
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The rioting was started by high school kids... It's not like it was Al Sharpton out there throwing rocks. It was largely teenagers, not typically the type to handle the nuance of fighting oppression. You don't know anything about what it's like for them so you should just not speak to their motives. How would you know how much I can identify with another person. Who do you think you are? And how does them being high school kids do anything to undermine what I am saying. Look, I am generally patient but the stupidity of what some of you are saying is pissing me off. If you think looting a CVS or a 7/11 for some drugs and snacks, or burning down a local business isn't motivated by the desire to "cause trouble and start shit", then I don't know what to tell you because you aren't seeing what is obvious. The tone of your post says it all. right. so as a white guy, my desire to stay informed on the riots so as to not get stabbed on my way to school makes me a racist Please explain what you mean by that because I don't see the problem with what I said - and the tone that you interpret may not necessarily be the tone I intended (which really was no tone at all it was supposed to be as to the point as possible). If you don't even have a clue what it is I can't help you in a couple short posts and I don't have the patience or desire to walk you through an entire course on oppression and privilege. Well I suspect that the actual truth is that you are afraid that if you try to explain what you meant my reply will make you look silly. Otherwise I invite you to do so because you called me out but aren't willing to follow through. Like I said if you really want to understand you can start by answering why Freddie Gray was arrested and why/how his neck was broken. Otherwise I can't really believe you want to understand. I am not sure why he was arrested. I don't think an official reason has been given. If you are going to say that it is because the police were harassing him, then I would agree that this is an entirely possible cause. It may have had some sort of legitimate basis but as far as I can tell why he was arrested isn't really the main issue here. How was his spine severed? They probably beat him to death. Ok so a guy was arrested and beaten weeks ago then died and the police haven't been able to so much as give a reason as to why he was arrested let alone how or why his neck was broken. Yet you can go to any news source and get the information you're looking for so you don't have to worry about imaginary stabbings on your way to school (like seriously where do you even get that shit from?). Meanwhile a family and the residents of Baltimore have to wait weeks to hear something as simple as what the preliminary justification for his arrest was (which the police are required by law to have at the time of the arrest) or how/when the mans neck was broken while in police custody, or how/why they didn't call for the prescribed medical treatment they are expected to do under their procedures. And you still can't see it? If you think it's not dangerous for a white guy to walk to Lexington Market, ride the metro from Lexington Market to Mondawmin, and then walk from Mondawmin to Baltimore City Community College right now, then you don't know much about Baltimore and probably shouldn't be commenting on what I said. I've been riding the metro here for a year. There is rarely another white person on the metro. It's been cool, I don't feel unsafe, even though I know people are often thinking "look, a white guy". And that's fine. But right now there are a lot of angry people, and a lot of thugs out looking to cause trouble and to pick fights. I know a lone white guy would make a great target. Actually I would put odds at me getting stabbed today if I got caught at Mondawmin at the wrong time. Thankfully I didn't have class so I didn't go out. A white student at my Fiance's school 2 blocks from here actually was attacked just outside the school. And that's a much safer area. White people have been targeted by some angry black people. You don't want to go to the wrong places right now. This is reality. If you don't know about it, rather than acting like I am making up wild fantasies, maybe you should ask me for more information.
Just wow... So that's a no, you still don't see it.
Welcome to an easy day as plenty of black people (except when you get off the Metro and get to a 'safe' place... you're white).
Now imagine when you called the police (because of one of your feared stabbings) there's a good chance they mistake you as the criminal and have you handcuffed with their knee on your neck then the back of a squad car, before they know/ask if you're the victim.
I have a feeling carrying this conversation longer is only going to make it worse.
On April 28 2015 15:20 coverpunch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 15:10 WhiteDog wrote:On April 28 2015 15:09 coverpunch wrote:On April 28 2015 14:58 Velr wrote:
What i find strange... When there are "demonstrations gone violent" here. There still is barely any looting, destruction? Sure... Looting? Not in amounts worth reporting about.
Btw: My Father organised his fair share of protests (mostly farmers stuff)... He once told me, the worst thing that can happen to a cause, is a 100% peacefull protest, because no one gives a shit about these. Not that he willingly sparked anything of the sort but for him that just seemed to be a fact. NYT has a map of the reported looting and destruction so far. I'm not sure what you consider "barely any". It's less bad than other riots in US history, but this is only the first day and it is unusual that a lot of police officers were injured. Any bad injuries ? Or just some bruises due to projectiles (rock or bottle) ? If so, then I'd say stop crying. Are you seriously conditioning this on "bad injuries" and telling me to "stop crying" otherwise for talking about injuries? I know you only asked to be a prick, but Baltimore PD says two officers are still in the hospital. One was knocked out and the other seems to have a broken knee. Four others are "seriously injured" but were released from the hospital.
Using BPD as a reliable source for their own injury reports is ridiculous. It's a great example of how people (including the media) don't even notice how ridiculous it is on it's face.
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On April 28 2015 15:19 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 15:17 Jaaaaasper wrote:On April 28 2015 15:10 WhiteDog wrote:On April 28 2015 15:09 coverpunch wrote:On April 28 2015 14:58 Velr wrote:
What i find strange... When there are "demonstrations gone violent" here. There still is barely any looting, destruction? Sure... Looting? Not in amounts worth reporting about.
Btw: My Father organised his fair share of protests (mostly farmers stuff)... He once told me, the worst thing that can happen to a cause, is a 100% peacefull protest, because no one gives a shit about these. Not that he willingly sparked anything of the sort but for him that just seemed to be a fact. NYT has a map of the reported looting and destruction so far. I'm not sure what you consider "barely any". It's less bad than other riots in US history, but this is only the first day and it is unusual that a lot of police officers were injured. Any bad injuries ? Or just some bruises due to projectiles (rock or bottle) ? If so, then I'd say stop crying. One officer was reported in a coma, and a woman was rushed to the hospital after several guys tried to pull her away from her car. Then real injuries. Yeah that's the kind of problem with blind violence : the interpretation of the acts are unclear. What's the point in injuring a police officer (aside maybe for self defence) ? Go to the city hall and trash the maire's office, that's not up to interpretation, but don't use a real political motive to get yourself a free PS4.
I have to agree. Coordinated violence against your oppressors can work, and has worked, but this is just wanton violence and destruction by vandals, not by any sense of justice. There's also the fact that the mayor is black, which makes the narrative a bit muddled. That's the thing though - a lot of these incidents happen in high crime areas thanks to the Drug War and other Government interferences that've created a hostile environment, so the elements that are all ready present take advantage of the situation. That's why it's so dumb to condone this sort of activity and attribute it to protestor motivation. They're separate entities and one needs to come out in support of the legitimate protestors and admonish the criminal elements. This is why posts like GH make little sense to me. These sorts of things you need to win wide public support and that's not going to happen pegging your boat to the Crips and Bloods.
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Dude what are you talking about. This has nothing to do with what I was saying.
uh, I am going to bed.
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On April 28 2015 15:23 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 15:08 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 15:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:51 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:38 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:29 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:26 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:22 travis wrote:
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How would you know how much I can identify with another person. Who do you think you are? And how does them being high school kids do anything to undermine what I am saying.
Look, I am generally patient but the stupidity of what some of you are saying is pissing me off. If you think looting a CVS or a 7/11 for some drugs and snacks, or burning down a local business isn't motivated by the desire to "cause trouble and start shit", then I don't know what to tell you because you aren't seeing what is obvious. The tone of your post says it all. right. so as a white guy, my desire to stay informed on the riots so as to not get stabbed on my way to school makes me a racist Please explain what you mean by that because I don't see the problem with what I said - and the tone that you interpret may not necessarily be the tone I intended (which really was no tone at all it was supposed to be as to the point as possible). If you don't even have a clue what it is I can't help you in a couple short posts and I don't have the patience or desire to walk you through an entire course on oppression and privilege. Well I suspect that the actual truth is that you are afraid that if you try to explain what you meant my reply will make you look silly. Otherwise I invite you to do so because you called me out but aren't willing to follow through. Like I said if you really want to understand you can start by answering why Freddie Gray was arrested and why/how his neck was broken. Otherwise I can't really believe you want to understand. I am not sure why he was arrested. I don't think an official reason has been given. If you are going to say that it is because the police were harassing him, then I would agree that this is an entirely possible cause. It may have had some sort of legitimate basis but as far as I can tell why he was arrested isn't really the main issue here. How was his spine severed? They probably beat him to death. Ok so a guy was arrested and beaten weeks ago then died and the police haven't been able to so much as give a reason as to why he was arrested let alone how or why his neck was broken. Yet you can go to any news source and get the information you're looking for so you don't have to worry about imaginary stabbings on your way to school (like seriously where do you even get that shit from?). Meanwhile a family and the residents of Baltimore have to wait weeks to hear something as simple as what the preliminary justification for his arrest was (which the police are required by law to have at the time of the arrest) or how/when the mans neck was broken while in police custody, or how/why they didn't call for the prescribed medical treatment they are expected to do under their procedures. And you still can't see it? If you think it's not dangerous for a white guy to walk to Lexington Market, ride the metro from Lexington Market to Mondawmin, and then walk from Mondawmin to Baltimore City Community College right now, then you don't know much about Baltimore and probably shouldn't be commenting on what I said. I've been riding the metro here for a year. There is rarely another white person on the metro. It's been cool, I don't feel unsafe, even though I know people are often thinking "look, a white guy". And that's fine. But right now there are a lot of angry people, and a lot of thugs out looking to cause trouble and to pick fights. I know a lone white guy would make a great target. Actually I would put odds at me getting stabbed today if I got caught at Mondawmin at the wrong time. Thankfully I didn't have class so I didn't go out. A white student at my Fiance's school 2 blocks from here actually was attacked just outside the school. And that's a much safer area. White people have been targeted by some angry black people. You don't want to go to the wrong places right now. This is reality. If you don't know about it, rather than acting like I am making up wild fantasies, maybe you should ask me for more information. Just wow... So that's a no, you still don't see it. Welcome to an easy day as plenty of black people (except when you get off the Metro and get to a 'safe' place... you're white). Now imagine when you called the police (because of one of your feared stabbings) there's a good chance they mistake you as the criminal and have you handcuffed with their knee on your neck then the back of a squad car, before they know/ask if you're the victim. I have a feeling carrying this conversation longer is only going to make it worse. Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 15:20 coverpunch wrote:On April 28 2015 15:10 WhiteDog wrote:On April 28 2015 15:09 coverpunch wrote:On April 28 2015 14:58 Velr wrote:
What i find strange... When there are "demonstrations gone violent" here. There still is barely any looting, destruction? Sure... Looting? Not in amounts worth reporting about.
Btw: My Father organised his fair share of protests (mostly farmers stuff)... He once told me, the worst thing that can happen to a cause, is a 100% peacefull protest, because no one gives a shit about these. Not that he willingly sparked anything of the sort but for him that just seemed to be a fact. NYT has a map of the reported looting and destruction so far. I'm not sure what you consider "barely any". It's less bad than other riots in US history, but this is only the first day and it is unusual that a lot of police officers were injured. Any bad injuries ? Or just some bruises due to projectiles (rock or bottle) ? If so, then I'd say stop crying. Are you seriously conditioning this on "bad injuries" and telling me to "stop crying" otherwise for talking about injuries? I know you only asked to be a prick, but Baltimore PD says two officers are still in the hospital. One was knocked out and the other seems to have a broken knee. Four others are "seriously injured" but were released from the hospital. Using BPD as a reliable source for their own injury reports is ridiculous. It's a great example of how people (including the media) don't even notice how ridiculous it is on it's face.
Uh, who is a reliable source for police injury reports then?
EDIT: Note that I did quote "seriously injured" as self-reported by the police because it generally means requiring a hospital visit but it doesn't necessarily mean life-threatening, which is how it would often be taken if used in casual conversation.
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On April 28 2015 15:28 travis wrote:
Dude what are you talking about. This has nothing to do with what I was saying.
uh, I am going to bed.
I'll explain another time if you wish.
On April 28 2015 15:30 coverpunch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 15:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 15:08 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 15:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:51 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:38 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:29 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
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The tone of your post says it all.
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Please explain what you mean by that because I don't see the problem with what I said - and the tone that you interpret may not necessarily be the tone I intended (which really was no tone at all it was supposed to be as to the point as possible). If you don't even have a clue what it is I can't help you in a couple short posts and I don't have the patience or desire to walk you through an entire course on oppression and privilege. Well I suspect that the actual truth is that you are afraid that if you try to explain what you meant my reply will make you look silly. Otherwise I invite you to do so because you called me out but aren't willing to follow through. Like I said if you really want to understand you can start by answering why Freddie Gray was arrested and why/how his neck was broken. Otherwise I can't really believe you want to understand. I am not sure why he was arrested. I don't think an official reason has been given. If you are going to say that it is because the police were harassing him, then I would agree that this is an entirely possible cause. It may have had some sort of legitimate basis but as far as I can tell why he was arrested isn't really the main issue here. How was his spine severed? They probably beat him to death. Ok so a guy was arrested and beaten weeks ago then died and the police haven't been able to so much as give a reason as to why he was arrested let alone how or why his neck was broken. Yet you can go to any news source and get the information you're looking for so you don't have to worry about imaginary stabbings on your way to school (like seriously where do you even get that shit from?). Meanwhile a family and the residents of Baltimore have to wait weeks to hear something as simple as what the preliminary justification for his arrest was (which the police are required by law to have at the time of the arrest) or how/when the mans neck was broken while in police custody, or how/why they didn't call for the prescribed medical treatment they are expected to do under their procedures. And you still can't see it? If you think it's not dangerous for a white guy to walk to Lexington Market, ride the metro from Lexington Market to Mondawmin, and then walk from Mondawmin to Baltimore City Community College right now, then you don't know much about Baltimore and probably shouldn't be commenting on what I said. I've been riding the metro here for a year. There is rarely another white person on the metro. It's been cool, I don't feel unsafe, even though I know people are often thinking "look, a white guy". And that's fine. But right now there are a lot of angry people, and a lot of thugs out looking to cause trouble and to pick fights. I know a lone white guy would make a great target. Actually I would put odds at me getting stabbed today if I got caught at Mondawmin at the wrong time. Thankfully I didn't have class so I didn't go out. A white student at my Fiance's school 2 blocks from here actually was attacked just outside the school. And that's a much safer area. White people have been targeted by some angry black people. You don't want to go to the wrong places right now. This is reality. If you don't know about it, rather than acting like I am making up wild fantasies, maybe you should ask me for more information. Just wow... So that's a no, you still don't see it. Welcome to an easy day as plenty of black people (except when you get off the Metro and get to a 'safe' place... you're white). Now imagine when you called the police (because of one of your feared stabbings) there's a good chance they mistake you as the criminal and have you handcuffed with their knee on your neck then the back of a squad car, before they know/ask if you're the victim. I have a feeling carrying this conversation longer is only going to make it worse. On April 28 2015 15:20 coverpunch wrote:On April 28 2015 15:10 WhiteDog wrote:On April 28 2015 15:09 coverpunch wrote:On April 28 2015 14:58 Velr wrote:
What i find strange... When there are "demonstrations gone violent" here. There still is barely any looting, destruction? Sure... Looting? Not in amounts worth reporting about.
Btw: My Father organised his fair share of protests (mostly farmers stuff)... He once told me, the worst thing that can happen to a cause, is a 100% peacefull protest, because no one gives a shit about these. Not that he willingly sparked anything of the sort but for him that just seemed to be a fact. NYT has a map of the reported looting and destruction so far. I'm not sure what you consider "barely any". It's less bad than other riots in US history, but this is only the first day and it is unusual that a lot of police officers were injured. Any bad injuries ? Or just some bruises due to projectiles (rock or bottle) ? If so, then I'd say stop crying. Are you seriously conditioning this on "bad injuries" and telling me to "stop crying" otherwise for talking about injuries? I know you only asked to be a prick, but Baltimore PD says two officers are still in the hospital. One was knocked out and the other seems to have a broken knee. Four others are "seriously injured" but were released from the hospital. Using BPD as a reliable source for their own injury reports is ridiculous. It's a great example of how people (including the media) don't even notice how ridiculous it is on it's face. Uh, who is a reliable source for police injury reports then?
Depends on what you want to know. If you want an estimate of how many officers reported injuries the police are fine. If you want how many people were actually injured and what their injuries were you have to either confirm with evidence what the police are claiming or refer to a third party who has.
I think we should be able to assume any/a typical PD honestly and completely reports happenings but BPD along with PD's across the nation have made it abundantly clear that can't be done, particularly in situations like this.
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On April 28 2015 15:30 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 15:28 travis wrote:
Dude what are you talking about. This has nothing to do with what I was saying.
uh, I am going to bed. I'll explain another time if you wish. Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 15:30 coverpunch wrote:On April 28 2015 15:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 15:08 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 15:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:51 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:38 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:29 travis wrote:
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Please explain what you mean by that because I don't see the problem with what I said - and the tone that you interpret may not necessarily be the tone I intended (which really was no tone at all it was supposed to be as to the point as possible). If you don't even have a clue what it is I can't help you in a couple short posts and I don't have the patience or desire to walk you through an entire course on oppression and privilege. Well I suspect that the actual truth is that you are afraid that if you try to explain what you meant my reply will make you look silly. Otherwise I invite you to do so because you called me out but aren't willing to follow through. Like I said if you really want to understand you can start by answering why Freddie Gray was arrested and why/how his neck was broken. Otherwise I can't really believe you want to understand. I am not sure why he was arrested. I don't think an official reason has been given. If you are going to say that it is because the police were harassing him, then I would agree that this is an entirely possible cause. It may have had some sort of legitimate basis but as far as I can tell why he was arrested isn't really the main issue here. How was his spine severed? They probably beat him to death. Ok so a guy was arrested and beaten weeks ago then died and the police haven't been able to so much as give a reason as to why he was arrested let alone how or why his neck was broken. Yet you can go to any news source and get the information you're looking for so you don't have to worry about imaginary stabbings on your way to school (like seriously where do you even get that shit from?). Meanwhile a family and the residents of Baltimore have to wait weeks to hear something as simple as what the preliminary justification for his arrest was (which the police are required by law to have at the time of the arrest) or how/when the mans neck was broken while in police custody, or how/why they didn't call for the prescribed medical treatment they are expected to do under their procedures. And you still can't see it? If you think it's not dangerous for a white guy to walk to Lexington Market, ride the metro from Lexington Market to Mondawmin, and then walk from Mondawmin to Baltimore City Community College right now, then you don't know much about Baltimore and probably shouldn't be commenting on what I said. I've been riding the metro here for a year. There is rarely another white person on the metro. It's been cool, I don't feel unsafe, even though I know people are often thinking "look, a white guy". And that's fine. But right now there are a lot of angry people, and a lot of thugs out looking to cause trouble and to pick fights. I know a lone white guy would make a great target. Actually I would put odds at me getting stabbed today if I got caught at Mondawmin at the wrong time. Thankfully I didn't have class so I didn't go out. A white student at my Fiance's school 2 blocks from here actually was attacked just outside the school. And that's a much safer area. White people have been targeted by some angry black people. You don't want to go to the wrong places right now. This is reality. If you don't know about it, rather than acting like I am making up wild fantasies, maybe you should ask me for more information. Just wow... So that's a no, you still don't see it. Welcome to an easy day as plenty of black people (except when you get off the Metro and get to a 'safe' place... you're white). Now imagine when you called the police (because of one of your feared stabbings) there's a good chance they mistake you as the criminal and have you handcuffed with their knee on your neck then the back of a squad car, before they know/ask if you're the victim. I have a feeling carrying this conversation longer is only going to make it worse. On April 28 2015 15:20 coverpunch wrote:On April 28 2015 15:10 WhiteDog wrote:On April 28 2015 15:09 coverpunch wrote:On April 28 2015 14:58 Velr wrote:
What i find strange... When there are "demonstrations gone violent" here. There still is barely any looting, destruction? Sure... Looting? Not in amounts worth reporting about.
Btw: My Father organised his fair share of protests (mostly farmers stuff)... He once told me, the worst thing that can happen to a cause, is a 100% peacefull protest, because no one gives a shit about these. Not that he willingly sparked anything of the sort but for him that just seemed to be a fact. NYT has a map of the reported looting and destruction so far. I'm not sure what you consider "barely any". It's less bad than other riots in US history, but this is only the first day and it is unusual that a lot of police officers were injured. Any bad injuries ? Or just some bruises due to projectiles (rock or bottle) ? If so, then I'd say stop crying. Are you seriously conditioning this on "bad injuries" and telling me to "stop crying" otherwise for talking about injuries? I know you only asked to be a prick, but Baltimore PD says two officers are still in the hospital. One was knocked out and the other seems to have a broken knee. Four others are "seriously injured" but were released from the hospital. Using BPD as a reliable source for their own injury reports is ridiculous. It's a great example of how people (including the media) don't even notice how ridiculous it is on it's face. Uh, who is a reliable source for police injury reports then? Depends on what you want to know. If you want an estimate of how many officers reported injuries the police are fine. If you want how many people were actually injured and what their injuries were you have to either confirm with evidence what the police are claiming or refer to a third party who has. I think we should be able to assume any/a typical PD honestly reports happenings but BPD along with PD's across the nation have made it abundantly clear that can't be done, particularly in situations like this.
Who provides such third-party evidence? You made a straightforward comment that BPD can't be trusted as a primary source but you don't seem able to provide a straightforward alternative. Please don't make such comments about bad sources unless you're prepared to provide a better one.
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On April 28 2015 15:42 coverpunch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 15:30 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 15:28 travis wrote:
Dude what are you talking about. This has nothing to do with what I was saying.
uh, I am going to bed. I'll explain another time if you wish. On April 28 2015 15:30 coverpunch wrote:On April 28 2015 15:23 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 15:08 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 15:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:51 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:44 GreenHorizons wrote:On April 28 2015 14:38 travis wrote:On April 28 2015 14:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
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If you don't even have a clue what it is I can't help you in a couple short posts and I don't have the patience or desire to walk you through an entire course on oppression and privilege. Well I suspect that the actual truth is that you are afraid that if you try to explain what you meant my reply will make you look silly. Otherwise I invite you to do so because you called me out but aren't willing to follow through. Like I said if you really want to understand you can start by answering why Freddie Gray was arrested and why/how his neck was broken. Otherwise I can't really believe you want to understand. I am not sure why he was arrested. I don't think an official reason has been given. If you are going to say that it is because the police were harassing him, then I would agree that this is an entirely possible cause. It may have had some sort of legitimate basis but as far as I can tell why he was arrested isn't really the main issue here. How was his spine severed? They probably beat him to death. Ok so a guy was arrested and beaten weeks ago then died and the police haven't been able to so much as give a reason as to why he was arrested let alone how or why his neck was broken. Yet you can go to any news source and get the information you're looking for so you don't have to worry about imaginary stabbings on your way to school (like seriously where do you even get that shit from?). Meanwhile a family and the residents of Baltimore have to wait weeks to hear something as simple as what the preliminary justification for his arrest was (which the police are required by law to have at the time of the arrest) or how/when the mans neck was broken while in police custody, or how/why they didn't call for the prescribed medical treatment they are expected to do under their procedures. And you still can't see it? If you think it's not dangerous for a white guy to walk to Lexington Market, ride the metro from Lexington Market to Mondawmin, and then walk from Mondawmin to Baltimore City Community College right now, then you don't know much about Baltimore and probably shouldn't be commenting on what I said. I've been riding the metro here for a year. There is rarely another white person on the metro. It's been cool, I don't feel unsafe, even though I know people are often thinking "look, a white guy". And that's fine. But right now there are a lot of angry people, and a lot of thugs out looking to cause trouble and to pick fights. I know a lone white guy would make a great target. Actually I would put odds at me getting stabbed today if I got caught at Mondawmin at the wrong time. Thankfully I didn't have class so I didn't go out. A white student at my Fiance's school 2 blocks from here actually was attacked just outside the school. And that's a much safer area. White people have been targeted by some angry black people. You don't want to go to the wrong places right now. This is reality. If you don't know about it, rather than acting like I am making up wild fantasies, maybe you should ask me for more information. Just wow... So that's a no, you still don't see it. Welcome to an easy day as plenty of black people (except when you get off the Metro and get to a 'safe' place... you're white). Now imagine when you called the police (because of one of your feared stabbings) there's a good chance they mistake you as the criminal and have you handcuffed with their knee on your neck then the back of a squad car, before they know/ask if you're the victim. I have a feeling carrying this conversation longer is only going to make it worse. On April 28 2015 15:20 coverpunch wrote:On April 28 2015 15:10 WhiteDog wrote:On April 28 2015 15:09 coverpunch wrote:On April 28 2015 14:58 Velr wrote:
What i find strange... When there are "demonstrations gone violent" here. There still is barely any looting, destruction? Sure... Looting? Not in amounts worth reporting about.
Btw: My Father organised his fair share of protests (mostly farmers stuff)... He once told me, the worst thing that can happen to a cause, is a 100% peacefull protest, because no one gives a shit about these. Not that he willingly sparked anything of the sort but for him that just seemed to be a fact. NYT has a map of the reported looting and destruction so far. I'm not sure what you consider "barely any". It's less bad than other riots in US history, but this is only the first day and it is unusual that a lot of police officers were injured. Any bad injuries ? Or just some bruises due to projectiles (rock or bottle) ? If so, then I'd say stop crying. Are you seriously conditioning this on "bad injuries" and telling me to "stop crying" otherwise for talking about injuries? I know you only asked to be a prick, but Baltimore PD says two officers are still in the hospital. One was knocked out and the other seems to have a broken knee. Four others are "seriously injured" but were released from the hospital. Using BPD as a reliable source for their own injury reports is ridiculous. It's a great example of how people (including the media) don't even notice how ridiculous it is on it's face. Uh, who is a reliable source for police injury reports then? Depends on what you want to know. If you want an estimate of how many officers reported injuries the police are fine. If you want how many people were actually injured and what their injuries were you have to either confirm with evidence what the police are claiming or refer to a third party who has. I think we should be able to assume any/a typical PD honestly reports happenings but BPD along with PD's across the nation have made it abundantly clear that can't be done, particularly in situations like this. Who provides such third-party evidence? You made a straightforward comment that BPD can't be trusted as a primary source but you don't seem able to provide a straightforward alternative. Please don't make such comments about bad sources unless you're prepared to provide a better one.
Don't get me wrong I want a third source but the media are taking the police's word for it so what am I supposed to do?
They put the little *police say or whatever which means unconfirmed. I mean it's fine to say it's what police are claiming, but it comes in the context of them not having much credibility at the moment.
EDIT: I believe there were injuries but unless I see injuries I'm not taking their word for how many, who caused it, and how it was caused and I don't think anyone else should, but that's up to you.
I mean keep in mind they still seem to be struggling to figure out how Gray was injured weeks ago yet they know how these officers were injured and their extent and can report it the same day...
I'm thinking dress, but I still can't understand how people can't see how ridiculous this is?
+ Show Spoiler +I'll say it again a little different because it's an important point. 1. On April 12th Freddie Grey was arrested 2. According to everyone at this time his spine was ~80% severed while in police custody. 3. Police reports are devoid of any explanation how he was injured or why they didn't call for medical attention per procedure. 4. April 13th a video surfaces showing a part of the arrest. 5. Police put out this statement. "Right now we know this individual had contact with the police," he said. "We know this individual suffered an injury. We don't know what the cause is yet." 6. April 16 releases 'details' Now police have released a timeline of the arrest. Investigators say they first encountered Gray at 8:39 a.m. at the corner of North and Mount streets, but he ran away.
At 8:40 a.m., they caught up with him and took him into custody in the 1700 block of Presbury. Two minutes later, officers called for a prisoner transport van.
At 8:54 a.m., Gray was put in additional restraints inside the van. Police say video surveillance shows he was conscious and talking.
But, at 9:24 a.m., an ambulance was called to the Western District police station to take him to the hospital.
Now friends and family members want to know what happened between 8:54 a.m. when the van left and 9:24 a.m. when Gray needed medical attention at the police station. 7. The weekend passes and there is still no cause or reason. 8. 9.10.11. so on we find ourselves between the 26th and 27th and police still don't know how what they claim was a perfectly fine person somehow severed most of his spine in their custody. 12. The same day officers have rocks thrown at them we 'know' how many are injured, how they were injured, who they think did it, and that they will make sure to punish whoever did it. If people still can't see it I can't try any more tonight
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