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On April 02 2015 03:24 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:20 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:18 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:15 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:11 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:07 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:01 Jormundr wrote:
The only reason a man should have to pay child support is if there was a prior contract stating that he would do so. Putting your dick in someone shouldn't necessitate that you own her vagina or she owns your wallet. she doesn't though. You pay child support for the child, not for her... Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. Yes, that is how raising kids works. Also children can't enter contracts without parental approval. If you don't want to pay child support, avoid having children. You are the master of your penis and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility. Nice double standard. Women can get out of an unwanted pregnancy scot-free if they just get an abortion, b ut men are stuck with one no matter what."If you don't want to a pregnancy, avoid having children. You are the master of your vagina and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility." Men don't have pregnancies though... Men also don't have a chance of getting custody, or getting a nickel of support on the off chance that some judge actually rules in their favor. That is a valid complain that has nothing to do with abortion. It is a completely separate issue. Incorrect. Women are far more likely to go through with a pregnancy when they 99% know that they will get to keep the child and get a check from the father for the next 18 years, who will most likely not be allowed to see the child at a proportional rate to the money he spends on it.
Citation needed for these completely made up stats.
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On April 02 2015 03:12 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:09 Acrofales wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:01 Jormundr wrote:
The only reason a man should have to pay child support is if there was a prior contract stating that he would do so. Putting your dick in someone shouldn't necessitate that you own her vagina or she owns your wallet. she doesn't though. You pay child support for the child, not for her... Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. I'm going out on a limb here to say that if the mother than takes the money and uses it to buy new clothes (or worse, meth) for herself (while neglecting the child), she loses custody and might even face criminal charges? Its almost like we have all seen this argument before over and over. Its like the last 4 pages have all been leading up to this point where the thread would degrade down to this tired discussion again. Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:11 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:07 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:01 Jormundr wrote:
The only reason a man should have to pay child support is if there was a prior contract stating that he would do so. Putting your dick in someone shouldn't necessitate that you own her vagina or she owns your wallet. she doesn't though. You pay child support for the child, not for her... Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. Yes, that is how raising kids works. Also children can't enter contracts without parental approval. If you don't want to pay child support, avoid having children. You are the master of your penis and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility. Nice double standard. Women can get out of an unwanted pregnancy scot-free if they just get an abortion, but men are stuck with one no matter what. "If you don't want to a pregnancy, avoid having children. You are the master of your vagina and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility." Life is hard, get a condom if you don't want to pay child support. If you don't like that women get to choose to get an abortion, just know that the same rights will be provided to men when since gets there. Just not now.
You said it yourself earlier that birth control doesn't always work.
Women can have all the care-free sex they want, since they can just get an abortion. But men have no recourse. Either they don't have sex, or they risk paying child support for 18 years.
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On April 02 2015 03:26 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:12 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:09 Acrofales wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:01 Jormundr wrote:
The only reason a man should have to pay child support is if there was a prior contract stating that he would do so. Putting your dick in someone shouldn't necessitate that you own her vagina or she owns your wallet. she doesn't though. You pay child support for the child, not for her... Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. I'm going out on a limb here to say that if the mother than takes the money and uses it to buy new clothes (or worse, meth) for herself (while neglecting the child), she loses custody and might even face criminal charges? Its almost like we have all seen this argument before over and over. Its like the last 4 pages have all been leading up to this point where the thread would degrade down to this tired discussion again. On April 02 2015 03:11 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:07 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:01 Jormundr wrote:
The only reason a man should have to pay child support is if there was a prior contract stating that he would do so. Putting your dick in someone shouldn't necessitate that you own her vagina or she owns your wallet. she doesn't though. You pay child support for the child, not for her... Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. Yes, that is how raising kids works. Also children can't enter contracts without parental approval. If you don't want to pay child support, avoid having children. You are the master of your penis and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility. Nice double standard. Women can get out of an unwanted pregnancy scot-free if they just get an abortion, but men are stuck with one no matter what. "If you don't want to a pregnancy, avoid having children. You are the master of your vagina and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility." Life is hard, get a condom if you don't want to pay child support. If you don't like that women get to choose to get an abortion, just know that the same rights will be provided to men when since gets there. Just not now. You said it yourself earlier that birth control doesn't always work. Women can have all the care-free sex they want, since they can just get an abortion. But men have no recourse. Either they don't have sex, or they risk paying child support for 18 years.
There is no such thing as care free sex for either party, ever. And deal with it, since you never need to worry about carrying a baby to term or the risks involved with going through child birth. Or the issues with a miscarriage. You know, little things that you will never have to worry about.
Its not all roses over on the other side. Though I am 100% sure you will tell me how it is.
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On April 02 2015 03:24 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:20 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:18 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:15 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:11 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:07 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:01 Jormundr wrote:
The only reason a man should have to pay child support is if there was a prior contract stating that he would do so. Putting your dick in someone shouldn't necessitate that you own her vagina or she owns your wallet. she doesn't though. You pay child support for the child, not for her... Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. Yes, that is how raising kids works. Also children can't enter contracts without parental approval. If you don't want to pay child support, avoid having children. You are the master of your penis and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility. Nice double standard. Women can get out of an unwanted pregnancy scot-free if they just get an abortion, b ut men are stuck with one no matter what."If you don't want to a pregnancy, avoid having children. You are the master of your vagina and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility." Men don't have pregnancies though... Men also don't have a chance of getting custody, or getting a nickel of support on the off chance that some judge actually rules in their favor. That is a valid complain that has nothing to do with abortion. It is a completely separate issue. Incorrect. Women are far more likely to go through with a pregnancy when they 99% know that they will get to keep the child and get a check from the father for the next 18 years, who will most likely not be allowed to see the child at a proportional rate to the money he spends on it.
wow
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On April 02 2015 03:30 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:26 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:12 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:09 Acrofales wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:01 Jormundr wrote:
The only reason a man should have to pay child support is if there was a prior contract stating that he would do so. Putting your dick in someone shouldn't necessitate that you own her vagina or she owns your wallet. she doesn't though. You pay child support for the child, not for her... Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. I'm going out on a limb here to say that if the mother than takes the money and uses it to buy new clothes (or worse, meth) for herself (while neglecting the child), she loses custody and might even face criminal charges? Its almost like we have all seen this argument before over and over. Its like the last 4 pages have all been leading up to this point where the thread would degrade down to this tired discussion again. On April 02 2015 03:11 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:07 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:01 Jormundr wrote:
The only reason a man should have to pay child support is if there was a prior contract stating that he would do so. Putting your dick in someone shouldn't necessitate that you own her vagina or she owns your wallet. she doesn't though. You pay child support for the child, not for her... Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. Yes, that is how raising kids works. Also children can't enter contracts without parental approval. If you don't want to pay child support, avoid having children. You are the master of your penis and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility. Nice double standard. Women can get out of an unwanted pregnancy scot-free if they just get an abortion, but men are stuck with one no matter what. "If you don't want to a pregnancy, avoid having children. You are the master of your vagina and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility." Life is hard, get a condom if you don't want to pay child support. If you don't like that women get to choose to get an abortion, just know that the same rights will be provided to men when since gets there. Just not now. You said it yourself earlier that birth control doesn't always work. Women can have all the care-free sex they want, since they can just get an abortion. But men have no recourse. Either they don't have sex, or they risk paying child support for 18 years. There is no such thing as care free sex for either party, ever. And deal with it, since you never need to worry about carrying a baby to term or the risks involved with going through child birth. Or the issues with a miscarriage. You know, little things that you will never have to worry about. Its not all roses over on the other side. Though I am 100% sure you will tell me how it is.
How is there no care free sex for women? They don't have to risk ruining their life to have sex. Men do. Women can always just get an abortion. Men cannot.
Modern childbirth is incredibly safe. I'm OK with abortion on the rare occasions it is actually life-threatening.
Carrying a baby to term is only an inconvenience for 9 months, child support is an inconvenience for 18 years.
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On April 02 2015 03:32 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:24 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:20 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:18 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:15 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:11 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:07 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:01 Jormundr wrote:
The only reason a man should have to pay child support is if there was a prior contract stating that he would do so. Putting your dick in someone shouldn't necessitate that you own her vagina or she owns your wallet. she doesn't though. You pay child support for the child, not for her... Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. Yes, that is how raising kids works. Also children can't enter contracts without parental approval. If you don't want to pay child support, avoid having children. You are the master of your penis and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility. Nice double standard. Women can get out of an unwanted pregnancy scot-free if they just get an abortion, b ut men are stuck with one no matter what."If you don't want to a pregnancy, avoid having children. You are the master of your vagina and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility." Men don't have pregnancies though... Men also don't have a chance of getting custody, or getting a nickel of support on the off chance that some judge actually rules in their favor. That is a valid complain that has nothing to do with abortion. It is a completely separate issue. Incorrect. Women are far more likely to go through with a pregnancy when they 99% know that they will get to keep the child and get a check from the father for the next 18 years, who will most likely not be allowed to see the child at a proportional rate to the money he spends on it. wow
somebody has a chip on their shoulder.
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Women can go get a job if they want sole custody. If they can't afford to take care of the kid on their own, then they shouldn't have custody. And quit with the strawmanning about "women have it hard mmmmkay", it's completely asinine and belongs back in the early 1900s where these sexist feminist attitudes came from. If single fathers can live without child support, so can single mothers because guess the fuck what: they decided to raise a child as a single parent.
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On April 02 2015 03:26 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:12 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:09 Acrofales wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:01 Jormundr wrote:
The only reason a man should have to pay child support is if there was a prior contract stating that he would do so. Putting your dick in someone shouldn't necessitate that you own her vagina or she owns your wallet. she doesn't though. You pay child support for the child, not for her... Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. I'm going out on a limb here to say that if the mother than takes the money and uses it to buy new clothes (or worse, meth) for herself (while neglecting the child), she loses custody and might even face criminal charges? Its almost like we have all seen this argument before over and over. Its like the last 4 pages have all been leading up to this point where the thread would degrade down to this tired discussion again. On April 02 2015 03:11 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:07 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:01 Jormundr wrote:
The only reason a man should have to pay child support is if there was a prior contract stating that he would do so. Putting your dick in someone shouldn't necessitate that you own her vagina or she owns your wallet. she doesn't though. You pay child support for the child, not for her... Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. Yes, that is how raising kids works. Also children can't enter contracts without parental approval. If you don't want to pay child support, avoid having children. You are the master of your penis and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility. Nice double standard. Women can get out of an unwanted pregnancy scot-free if they just get an abortion, but men are stuck with one no matter what. "If you don't want to a pregnancy, avoid having children. You are the master of your vagina and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility." Life is hard, get a condom if you don't want to pay child support. If you don't like that women get to choose to get an abortion, just know that the same rights will be provided to men when since gets there. Just not now. You said it yourself earlier that birth control doesn't always work. Women can have all the care-free sex they want, since they can just get an abortion. But men have no recourse. Either they don't have sex, or they risk paying child support for 18 years.
While I wouldn't call that fair by any stretch, imho it's better than the alternatives. Not requiring child support to be paid is worse (you end up with some situations of the parent having trouble taking care of the child financially). Allowing the man to have a veto on abortion is worse (violate the woman's right to her body). Not allowing abortions period is worse (from the perspective of someone favorable to abortion).
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On April 02 2015 03:36 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:32 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:24 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:20 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:18 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:15 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:11 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:07 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:
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she doesn't though. You pay child support for the child, not for her... Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. Yes, that is how raising kids works. Also children can't enter contracts without parental approval. If you don't want to pay child support, avoid having children. You are the master of your penis and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility. Nice double standard. Women can get out of an unwanted pregnancy scot-free if they just get an abortion, b ut men are stuck with one no matter what."If you don't want to a pregnancy, avoid having children. You are the master of your vagina and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility." Men don't have pregnancies though... Men also don't have a chance of getting custody, or getting a nickel of support on the off chance that some judge actually rules in their favor. That is a valid complain that has nothing to do with abortion. It is a completely separate issue. Incorrect. Women are far more likely to go through with a pregnancy when they 99% know that they will get to keep the child and get a check from the father for the next 18 years, who will most likely not be allowed to see the child at a proportional rate to the money he spends on it. wow somebody has a chip on their shoulder.
Somebody has run out of arguments 
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On April 02 2015 03:39 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:26 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:12 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:09 Acrofales wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:01 Jormundr wrote:
The only reason a man should have to pay child support is if there was a prior contract stating that he would do so. Putting your dick in someone shouldn't necessitate that you own her vagina or she owns your wallet. she doesn't though. You pay child support for the child, not for her... Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. I'm going out on a limb here to say that if the mother than takes the money and uses it to buy new clothes (or worse, meth) for herself (while neglecting the child), she loses custody and might even face criminal charges? Its almost like we have all seen this argument before over and over. Its like the last 4 pages have all been leading up to this point where the thread would degrade down to this tired discussion again. On April 02 2015 03:11 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:07 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:01 Jormundr wrote:
The only reason a man should have to pay child support is if there was a prior contract stating that he would do so. Putting your dick in someone shouldn't necessitate that you own her vagina or she owns your wallet. she doesn't though. You pay child support for the child, not for her... Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. Yes, that is how raising kids works. Also children can't enter contracts without parental approval. If you don't want to pay child support, avoid having children. You are the master of your penis and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility. Nice double standard. Women can get out of an unwanted pregnancy scot-free if they just get an abortion, but men are stuck with one no matter what. "If you don't want to a pregnancy, avoid having children. You are the master of your vagina and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility." Life is hard, get a condom if you don't want to pay child support. If you don't like that women get to choose to get an abortion, just know that the same rights will be provided to men when since gets there. Just not now. You said it yourself earlier that birth control doesn't always work. Women can have all the care-free sex they want, since they can just get an abortion. But men have no recourse. Either they don't have sex, or they risk paying child support for 18 years. While I wouldn't call that fair by any stretch, imho it's better than the alternatives. Not requiring child support to be paid is worse (you end up with some situations of the parent having trouble taking care of the child financially). Allowing the man to have a veto on abortion is worse (violate the woman's right to her body). Not allowing abortions period is worse (from the perspective of someone favorable to abortion).
Lets break this down.
1) The woman can get a job. She knew what she was getting into when she kept the kid. Remember, adoption is an option too.
2) The fetus is not the woman's body. It does not have her DNA.
3) That's subjective, as you admit.
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On April 02 2015 03:42 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:36 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 02 2015 03:32 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:24 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:20 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:18 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:15 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:11 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:07 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:
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Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. Yes, that is how raising kids works. Also children can't enter contracts without parental approval. If you don't want to pay child support, avoid having children. You are the master of your penis and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility. Nice double standard. Women can get out of an unwanted pregnancy scot-free if they just get an abortion, b ut men are stuck with one no matter what."If you don't want to a pregnancy, avoid having children. You are the master of your vagina and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility." Men don't have pregnancies though... Men also don't have a chance of getting custody, or getting a nickel of support on the off chance that some judge actually rules in their favor. That is a valid complain that has nothing to do with abortion. It is a completely separate issue. Incorrect. Women are far more likely to go through with a pregnancy when they 99% know that they will get to keep the child and get a check from the father for the next 18 years, who will most likely not be allowed to see the child at a proportional rate to the money he spends on it. wow somebody has a chip on their shoulder. Somebody has run out of arguments
There wasn't a lot to argue against. Just a lot of impotent rage against women.
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On April 02 2015 03:42 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:36 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 02 2015 03:32 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:24 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:20 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:18 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:15 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:11 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:07 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:
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Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. Yes, that is how raising kids works. Also children can't enter contracts without parental approval. If you don't want to pay child support, avoid having children. You are the master of your penis and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility. Nice double standard. Women can get out of an unwanted pregnancy scot-free if they just get an abortion, b ut men are stuck with one no matter what."If you don't want to a pregnancy, avoid having children. You are the master of your vagina and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility." Men don't have pregnancies though... Men also don't have a chance of getting custody, or getting a nickel of support on the off chance that some judge actually rules in their favor. That is a valid complain that has nothing to do with abortion. It is a completely separate issue. Incorrect. Women are far more likely to go through with a pregnancy when they 99% know that they will get to keep the child and get a check from the father for the next 18 years, who will most likely not be allowed to see the child at a proportional rate to the money he spends on it. wow somebody has a chip on their shoulder. Somebody has run out of arguments
whats there to argue against? you make blanket statements that are clearly insane and have no factual support as if they were the law. also, i dont really consider making arguments against you worthwhile since you have both feet clearly planted in la la land.
do this, put some factual support for your arguments on the table and then we can have a discussion.
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On April 02 2015 03:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:42 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:36 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 02 2015 03:32 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:24 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:20 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:18 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:15 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:11 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:07 Plansix wrote:
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Yes, that is how raising kids works. Also children can't enter contracts without parental approval. If you don't want to pay child support, avoid having children. You are the master of your penis and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility. Nice double standard. Women can get out of an unwanted pregnancy scot-free if they just get an abortion, b ut men are stuck with one no matter what."If you don't want to a pregnancy, avoid having children. You are the master of your vagina and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility." Men don't have pregnancies though... Men also don't have a chance of getting custody, or getting a nickel of support on the off chance that some judge actually rules in their favor. That is a valid complain that has nothing to do with abortion. It is a completely separate issue. Incorrect. Women are far more likely to go through with a pregnancy when they 99% know that they will get to keep the child and get a check from the father for the next 18 years, who will most likely not be allowed to see the child at a proportional rate to the money he spends on it. wow somebody has a chip on their shoulder. Somebody has run out of arguments There wasn't a lot to argue against. Just a lot of impotent rage against women.
Women =\= their child support payments, you misogynist pig.
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On April 02 2015 03:43 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:39 Sbrubbles wrote:On April 02 2015 03:26 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:12 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:09 Acrofales wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:01 Jormundr wrote:
The only reason a man should have to pay child support is if there was a prior contract stating that he would do so. Putting your dick in someone shouldn't necessitate that you own her vagina or she owns your wallet. she doesn't though. You pay child support for the child, not for her... Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. I'm going out on a limb here to say that if the mother than takes the money and uses it to buy new clothes (or worse, meth) for herself (while neglecting the child), she loses custody and might even face criminal charges? Its almost like we have all seen this argument before over and over. Its like the last 4 pages have all been leading up to this point where the thread would degrade down to this tired discussion again. On April 02 2015 03:11 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:07 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:01 Jormundr wrote:
The only reason a man should have to pay child support is if there was a prior contract stating that he would do so. Putting your dick in someone shouldn't necessitate that you own her vagina or she owns your wallet. she doesn't though. You pay child support for the child, not for her... Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. Yes, that is how raising kids works. Also children can't enter contracts without parental approval. If you don't want to pay child support, avoid having children. You are the master of your penis and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility. Nice double standard. Women can get out of an unwanted pregnancy scot-free if they just get an abortion, but men are stuck with one no matter what. "If you don't want to a pregnancy, avoid having children. You are the master of your vagina and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility." Life is hard, get a condom if you don't want to pay child support. If you don't like that women get to choose to get an abortion, just know that the same rights will be provided to men when since gets there. Just not now. You said it yourself earlier that birth control doesn't always work. Women can have all the care-free sex they want, since they can just get an abortion. But men have no recourse. Either they don't have sex, or they risk paying child support for 18 years. While I wouldn't call that fair by any stretch, imho it's better than the alternatives. Not requiring child support to be paid is worse (you end up with some situations of the parent having trouble taking care of the child financially). Allowing the man to have a veto on abortion is worse (violate the woman's right to her body). Not allowing abortions period is worse (from the perspective of someone favorable to abortion). Lets break this down. 1) The woman can get a job. She knew what she was getting into when she kept the kid. Remember, adoption is an option too. 2) The fetus is not the woman's body. It does not have her DNA. 3) That's subjective, as you admit.
missing 2/3 points,
please try again
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On April 02 2015 03:45 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:44 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:42 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:36 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 02 2015 03:32 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:24 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:20 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:18 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:15 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:11 Millitron wrote:
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Nice double standard. Women can get out of an unwanted pregnancy scot-free if they just get an abortion, but men are stuck with one no matter what.
"If you don't want to a pregnancy, avoid having children. You are the master of your vagina and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility." Men don't have pregnancies though... Men also don't have a chance of getting custody, or getting a nickel of support on the off chance that some judge actually rules in their favor. That is a valid complain that has nothing to do with abortion. It is a completely separate issue. Incorrect. Women are far more likely to go through with a pregnancy when they 99% know that they will get to keep the child and get a check from the father for the next 18 years, who will most likely not be allowed to see the child at a proportional rate to the money he spends on it. wow somebody has a chip on their shoulder. Somebody has run out of arguments There wasn't a lot to argue against. Just a lot of impotent rage against women. Women =\= their child support payments, you misogynist pig.
Man, last time I talked about women's issues on the internet I was a "shameless-white-knight-beta". I have fallen far.
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On April 02 2015 03:45 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:42 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:36 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 02 2015 03:32 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:24 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:20 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:18 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:15 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:11 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:07 Plansix wrote:
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Yes, that is how raising kids works. Also children can't enter contracts without parental approval. If you don't want to pay child support, avoid having children. You are the master of your penis and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility. Nice double standard. Women can get out of an unwanted pregnancy scot-free if they just get an abortion, b ut men are stuck with one no matter what."If you don't want to a pregnancy, avoid having children. You are the master of your vagina and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility." Men don't have pregnancies though... Men also don't have a chance of getting custody, or getting a nickel of support on the off chance that some judge actually rules in their favor. That is a valid complain that has nothing to do with abortion. It is a completely separate issue. Incorrect. Women are far more likely to go through with a pregnancy when they 99% know that they will get to keep the child and get a check from the father for the next 18 years, who will most likely not be allowed to see the child at a proportional rate to the money he spends on it. wow somebody has a chip on their shoulder. Somebody has run out of arguments whats there to argue against? you make blanket statements that are clearly insane and have no factual support as if they were the law. also, i dont really consider making arguments against you worthwhile since you have both feet clearly planted in la la land. do this, put some factual support for your arguments on the table and then we can have a discussion.
You're the lawyer, aren't you? Put forth some evidence suggesting that I'm wrong, and that the majority of custody and child support cases don't rule in favor of women.
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On April 02 2015 03:47 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:43 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:39 Sbrubbles wrote:On April 02 2015 03:26 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:12 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:09 Acrofales wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:01 Jormundr wrote:
The only reason a man should have to pay child support is if there was a prior contract stating that he would do so. Putting your dick in someone shouldn't necessitate that you own her vagina or she owns your wallet. she doesn't though. You pay child support for the child, not for her... Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. I'm going out on a limb here to say that if the mother than takes the money and uses it to buy new clothes (or worse, meth) for herself (while neglecting the child), she loses custody and might even face criminal charges? Its almost like we have all seen this argument before over and over. Its like the last 4 pages have all been leading up to this point where the thread would degrade down to this tired discussion again. On April 02 2015 03:11 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:07 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:01 Jormundr wrote:
The only reason a man should have to pay child support is if there was a prior contract stating that he would do so. Putting your dick in someone shouldn't necessitate that you own her vagina or she owns your wallet. she doesn't though. You pay child support for the child, not for her... Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. Yes, that is how raising kids works. Also children can't enter contracts without parental approval. If you don't want to pay child support, avoid having children. You are the master of your penis and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility. Nice double standard. Women can get out of an unwanted pregnancy scot-free if they just get an abortion, but men are stuck with one no matter what. "If you don't want to a pregnancy, avoid having children. You are the master of your vagina and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility." Life is hard, get a condom if you don't want to pay child support. If you don't like that women get to choose to get an abortion, just know that the same rights will be provided to men when since gets there. Just not now. You said it yourself earlier that birth control doesn't always work. Women can have all the care-free sex they want, since they can just get an abortion. But men have no recourse. Either they don't have sex, or they risk paying child support for 18 years. While I wouldn't call that fair by any stretch, imho it's better than the alternatives. Not requiring child support to be paid is worse (you end up with some situations of the parent having trouble taking care of the child financially). Allowing the man to have a veto on abortion is worse (violate the woman's right to her body). Not allowing abortions period is worse (from the perspective of someone favorable to abortion). Lets break this down. 1) The woman can get a job. She knew what she was getting into when she kept the kid. Remember, adoption is an option too. 2) The fetus is not the woman's body. It does not have her DNA. 3) That's subjective, as you admit. missing 2/3 points, please try again
Nice post that adds nothing. Maybe you could clarify what I'm missing? Otherwise I'll just declare "3/3 I win".
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On April 02 2015 03:48 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:45 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 02 2015 03:42 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:36 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 02 2015 03:32 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:24 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:20 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:18 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:15 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:11 Millitron wrote:
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Nice double standard. Women can get out of an unwanted pregnancy scot-free if they just get an abortion, but men are stuck with one no matter what.
"If you don't want to a pregnancy, avoid having children. You are the master of your vagina and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility." Men don't have pregnancies though... Men also don't have a chance of getting custody, or getting a nickel of support on the off chance that some judge actually rules in their favor. That is a valid complain that has nothing to do with abortion. It is a completely separate issue. Incorrect. Women are far more likely to go through with a pregnancy when they 99% know that they will get to keep the child and get a check from the father for the next 18 years, who will most likely not be allowed to see the child at a proportional rate to the money he spends on it. wow somebody has a chip on their shoulder. Somebody has run out of arguments whats there to argue against? you make blanket statements that are clearly insane and have no factual support as if they were the law. also, i dont really consider making arguments against you worthwhile since you have both feet clearly planted in la la land. do this, put some factual support for your arguments on the table and then we can have a discussion. You're the lawyer, aren't you? Put forth some evidence suggesting that I'm wrong, and that the majority of custody and child support cases don't rule in favor of women.
i dont disagree with that statement. i do find it ironic that this is a sexist system put in place by men though, which kind of takes the wind out of your sails. i do disagree with everything else you put in your post.
Women are far more likely to go through with a pregnancy when they 99% know that they will get to keep the child and get a check from the father for the next 18 years
smells like bullshit.
who will most likely not be allowed to see the child at a proportional rate to the money he spends on it.
the law does not allow this. if you are saying its being applied this way, prove it.
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On April 02 2015 03:54 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:48 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:45 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 02 2015 03:42 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:36 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 02 2015 03:32 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:24 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:20 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:18 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:15 Toadesstern wrote:
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Men don't have pregnancies though... Men also don't have a chance of getting custody, or getting a nickel of support on the off chance that some judge actually rules in their favor. That is a valid complain that has nothing to do with abortion. It is a completely separate issue. Incorrect. Women are far more likely to go through with a pregnancy when they 99% know that they will get to keep the child and get a check from the father for the next 18 years, who will most likely not be allowed to see the child at a proportional rate to the money he spends on it. wow somebody has a chip on their shoulder. Somebody has run out of arguments whats there to argue against? you make blanket statements that are clearly insane and have no factual support as if they were the law. also, i dont really consider making arguments against you worthwhile since you have both feet clearly planted in la la land. do this, put some factual support for your arguments on the table and then we can have a discussion. You're the lawyer, aren't you? Put forth some evidence suggesting that I'm wrong, and that the majority of custody and child support cases don't rule in favor of women. i dont disagree with that statement. i do find it ironic that this is a sexist system put in place by men though, which kind of takes the wind out of your sails. i do disagree with everything else you put in your post. Show nested quote +Women are far more likely to go through with a pregnancy when they 99% know that they will get to keep the child and get a check from the father for the next 18 years smells like bullshit. Show nested quote +who will most likely not be allowed to see the child at a proportional rate to the money he spends on it. the law does not allow this. if you are saying its being applied this way, prove it.
Why? The rest of the justice system is pretty heavily biased in favor of women. Compare incarceration rates. Men are imprisoned far more often than women.
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On April 02 2015 03:49 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:47 Paljas wrote:On April 02 2015 03:43 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:39 Sbrubbles wrote:On April 02 2015 03:26 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:12 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:09 Acrofales wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:On April 02 2015 03:01 Jormundr wrote:
The only reason a man should have to pay child support is if there was a prior contract stating that he would do so. Putting your dick in someone shouldn't necessitate that you own her vagina or she owns your wallet. she doesn't though. You pay child support for the child, not for her... Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. I'm going out on a limb here to say that if the mother than takes the money and uses it to buy new clothes (or worse, meth) for herself (while neglecting the child), she loses custody and might even face criminal charges? Its almost like we have all seen this argument before over and over. Its like the last 4 pages have all been leading up to this point where the thread would degrade down to this tired discussion again. On April 02 2015 03:11 Millitron wrote:On April 02 2015 03:07 Plansix wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Jormundr wrote:On April 02 2015 03:03 Toadesstern wrote:
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she doesn't though. You pay child support for the child, not for her... Not in the US. Custodian generally gets the money. Yes, that is how raising kids works. Also children can't enter contracts without parental approval. If you don't want to pay child support, avoid having children. You are the master of your penis and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility. Nice double standard. Women can get out of an unwanted pregnancy scot-free if they just get an abortion, but men are stuck with one no matter what. "If you don't want to a pregnancy, avoid having children. You are the master of your vagina and the law fully accepts that as a natural right and responsibility." Life is hard, get a condom if you don't want to pay child support. If you don't like that women get to choose to get an abortion, just know that the same rights will be provided to men when since gets there. Just not now. You said it yourself earlier that birth control doesn't always work. Women can have all the care-free sex they want, since they can just get an abortion. But men have no recourse. Either they don't have sex, or they risk paying child support for 18 years. While I wouldn't call that fair by any stretch, imho it's better than the alternatives. Not requiring child support to be paid is worse (you end up with some situations of the parent having trouble taking care of the child financially). Allowing the man to have a veto on abortion is worse (violate the woman's right to her body). Not allowing abortions period is worse (from the perspective of someone favorable to abortion). Lets break this down. 1) The woman can get a job. She knew what she was getting into when she kept the kid. Remember, adoption is an option too. 2) The fetus is not the woman's body. It does not have her DNA. 3) That's subjective, as you admit. missing 2/3 points, please try again Nice post that adds nothing. Maybe you could clarify what I'm missing? Otherwise I'll just declare "3/3 I win".
1) its not about the woman and her ability to find a job/ "knowing what she was getting into", but the child's right to be taken care of. it shouldnt suprise you that a single low paid job often isnt enough to get enough money for the child.
2) the fetus is in the woman body. the dna of the fetus is irrelevant
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