• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:04
CEST 22:04
KST 05:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror4[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)77Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? [Old] StarCraft 3 Reportedly in Development StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4) SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Grand Finals Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 546 Catch the Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble
Brood War
General
Sagi.gg Launcher Released BW General Discussion SC4ALL II Brood War Complete Invited Player Lineup 20-year-old Valorant player starting StarCraft Bot on ladder
Tourneys
[ASL22] Semifinal B [ASL22] Semifinal A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7265 users

US Politics Mega-thread - Page 177

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 175 176 177 178 179 10093 Next
Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up!

NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious.
Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action.
WTFZerg
Profile Joined February 2011
United States704 Posts
March 26 2013 23:31 GMT
#3521
On March 27 2013 05:19 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 04:57 xDaunt wrote:
On March 27 2013 04:29 farvacola wrote:
WASHINGTON—The Supreme Court on Tuesday wrestled inconclusively with California's ban on gay marriage, as Justice Anthony Kennedy expressed dissatisfaction with several of the court's options and Chief Justice John Roberts said he was worried that gay-marriage proponents were trying to move too quickly.

When the 80 minutes of argument concluded, it was hard to predict how the justices would rule on the issue. Chief Justice Roberts asked several questions about whether the backers of California's Proposition 8 had the right to be in court at all, because the state declined to defend the gay-marriage ban.

The court's four liberal justices asked questions suggesting sympathy for the gay-marriage cause, but across the ideological spectrum, justices showed reluctance to issue a ruling establishing an immediate constitutional right to gay marriage across the 50 states.

In the first part of the arguments, Justice Kennedy, a potential swing vote, raised a point made by gay-marriage supporters, saying nearly 40,000 children in California are living with same-sex parents who are barred from marriage.

"They want their parents to have full recognition and full status," Justice Kennedy said to lawyer Charles Cooper, who was defending Proposition 8. "The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?"


Skeptical Justices Question Lawyer Defending Prop 8

The Court is going to strike Proposition 8 down. Kennedy and possibly Roberts will side with the liberals. I wouldn't be surprised if the opinion is severely fractured given all of the possible grounds for striking the law. The Court will pay lip service to concerns about judicial resolution to the issue creating a festering political sore (a la Roe v. Wade), but it won't stop them.

I'm inclined to agree (except for the festering political sore part ). I would absolutely love to have been a fly on the wall in the Supreme Court these past few months. After Roberts' controversial ACA opinion, it would seem to me that the conservative side of the chamber would be more splintered than ever, and Prop 8 is the perfect sort of case to further expound on those ideological differences. I hope Roberts and Kenny both issue lengthy opinions.


http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/availabilityoforalargumenttranscripts.aspx

Enjoy.
Might makes right.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
March 26 2013 23:53 GMT
#3522
On March 27 2013 08:31 WTFZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 05:19 farvacola wrote:
On March 27 2013 04:57 xDaunt wrote:
On March 27 2013 04:29 farvacola wrote:
WASHINGTON—The Supreme Court on Tuesday wrestled inconclusively with California's ban on gay marriage, as Justice Anthony Kennedy expressed dissatisfaction with several of the court's options and Chief Justice John Roberts said he was worried that gay-marriage proponents were trying to move too quickly.

When the 80 minutes of argument concluded, it was hard to predict how the justices would rule on the issue. Chief Justice Roberts asked several questions about whether the backers of California's Proposition 8 had the right to be in court at all, because the state declined to defend the gay-marriage ban.

The court's four liberal justices asked questions suggesting sympathy for the gay-marriage cause, but across the ideological spectrum, justices showed reluctance to issue a ruling establishing an immediate constitutional right to gay marriage across the 50 states.

In the first part of the arguments, Justice Kennedy, a potential swing vote, raised a point made by gay-marriage supporters, saying nearly 40,000 children in California are living with same-sex parents who are barred from marriage.

"They want their parents to have full recognition and full status," Justice Kennedy said to lawyer Charles Cooper, who was defending Proposition 8. "The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?"


Skeptical Justices Question Lawyer Defending Prop 8

The Court is going to strike Proposition 8 down. Kennedy and possibly Roberts will side with the liberals. I wouldn't be surprised if the opinion is severely fractured given all of the possible grounds for striking the law. The Court will pay lip service to concerns about judicial resolution to the issue creating a festering political sore (a la Roe v. Wade), but it won't stop them.

I'm inclined to agree (except for the festering political sore part ). I would absolutely love to have been a fly on the wall in the Supreme Court these past few months. After Roberts' controversial ACA opinion, it would seem to me that the conservative side of the chamber would be more splintered than ever, and Prop 8 is the perfect sort of case to further expound on those ideological differences. I hope Roberts and Kenny both issue lengthy opinions.


http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/availabilityoforalargumenttranscripts.aspx

Enjoy.

Heh, thanks, though I'm more interested in what happens off transcript, like when the justices assemble their opinions post oral argument. Good looking out on the link.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
ziggurat
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada847 Posts
March 27 2013 00:30 GMT
#3523
On March 27 2013 05:19 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 04:57 xDaunt wrote:
On March 27 2013 04:29 farvacola wrote:
WASHINGTON—The Supreme Court on Tuesday wrestled inconclusively with California's ban on gay marriage, as Justice Anthony Kennedy expressed dissatisfaction with several of the court's options and Chief Justice John Roberts said he was worried that gay-marriage proponents were trying to move too quickly.

When the 80 minutes of argument concluded, it was hard to predict how the justices would rule on the issue. Chief Justice Roberts asked several questions about whether the backers of California's Proposition 8 had the right to be in court at all, because the state declined to defend the gay-marriage ban.

The court's four liberal justices asked questions suggesting sympathy for the gay-marriage cause, but across the ideological spectrum, justices showed reluctance to issue a ruling establishing an immediate constitutional right to gay marriage across the 50 states.

In the first part of the arguments, Justice Kennedy, a potential swing vote, raised a point made by gay-marriage supporters, saying nearly 40,000 children in California are living with same-sex parents who are barred from marriage.

"They want their parents to have full recognition and full status," Justice Kennedy said to lawyer Charles Cooper, who was defending Proposition 8. "The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?"


Skeptical Justices Question Lawyer Defending Prop 8

The Court is going to strike Proposition 8 down. Kennedy and possibly Roberts will side with the liberals. I wouldn't be surprised if the opinion is severely fractured given all of the possible grounds for striking the law. The Court will pay lip service to concerns about judicial resolution to the issue creating a festering political sore (a la Roe v. Wade), but it won't stop them.

I'm inclined to agree (except for the festering political sore part ). I would absolutely love to have been a fly on the wall in the Supreme Court these past few months. After Roberts' controversial ACA opinion, it would seem to me that the conservative side of the chamber would be more splintered than ever, and Prop 8 is the perfect sort of case to further expound on those ideological differences. I hope Roberts and Kenny both issue lengthy opinions.

I think the talk about how the Supreme Court is divided into conservative and liberal factions is hugely overblown. Take this morning's decision about drug-sniffing dogs. In a 5-4 decision, the majority was written by Scalia, joined by Thomas, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and Kagan. The minority was written by Alito, joined by Roberts, Breyer, and Kennedy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 27 2013 18:24 GMT
#3524
During Wednesday's oral arguments on the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act, Chief Justice John Roberts noted the remarkable speed at which political figures have reversed their positions on same-sex marriage.

"As far as I can tell, political figures are falling over themselves to endorse your side of the case," Roberts told Roberta Kaplan, the plaintiff's attorney bringing forth the case against the 1996 law.

In just a few days, six Democratic senators have declared a change of heart on marriage equality. Sen. Kay Hagan (D-CA) on Wednesday became the latest lawmaker to proclaim that "we should not tell people who they can love, or who they can marry. It’s time to move forward with this issue.”


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
March 27 2013 18:46 GMT
#3525
On March 27 2013 09:30 ziggurat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 05:19 farvacola wrote:
On March 27 2013 04:57 xDaunt wrote:
On March 27 2013 04:29 farvacola wrote:
WASHINGTON—The Supreme Court on Tuesday wrestled inconclusively with California's ban on gay marriage, as Justice Anthony Kennedy expressed dissatisfaction with several of the court's options and Chief Justice John Roberts said he was worried that gay-marriage proponents were trying to move too quickly.

When the 80 minutes of argument concluded, it was hard to predict how the justices would rule on the issue. Chief Justice Roberts asked several questions about whether the backers of California's Proposition 8 had the right to be in court at all, because the state declined to defend the gay-marriage ban.

The court's four liberal justices asked questions suggesting sympathy for the gay-marriage cause, but across the ideological spectrum, justices showed reluctance to issue a ruling establishing an immediate constitutional right to gay marriage across the 50 states.

In the first part of the arguments, Justice Kennedy, a potential swing vote, raised a point made by gay-marriage supporters, saying nearly 40,000 children in California are living with same-sex parents who are barred from marriage.

"They want their parents to have full recognition and full status," Justice Kennedy said to lawyer Charles Cooper, who was defending Proposition 8. "The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?"


Skeptical Justices Question Lawyer Defending Prop 8

The Court is going to strike Proposition 8 down. Kennedy and possibly Roberts will side with the liberals. I wouldn't be surprised if the opinion is severely fractured given all of the possible grounds for striking the law. The Court will pay lip service to concerns about judicial resolution to the issue creating a festering political sore (a la Roe v. Wade), but it won't stop them.

I'm inclined to agree (except for the festering political sore part ). I would absolutely love to have been a fly on the wall in the Supreme Court these past few months. After Roberts' controversial ACA opinion, it would seem to me that the conservative side of the chamber would be more splintered than ever, and Prop 8 is the perfect sort of case to further expound on those ideological differences. I hope Roberts and Kenny both issue lengthy opinions.

I think the talk about how the Supreme Court is divided into conservative and liberal factions is hugely overblown. Take this morning's decision about drug-sniffing dogs. In a 5-4 decision, the majority was written by Scalia, joined by Thomas, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and Kagan. The minority was written by Alito, joined by Roberts, Breyer, and Kennedy.

I think a fair amount of the court's apparent politicization is overrepresented by the popular media, but a single exception does not disprove the notion that the court's decisions oftentimes fall along political lines. If one looks at the voting histories of each of the justices, there are some pretty clear political lines save for perhaps Roberts and Kennedy. In any case, these voting tendencies are hardly definite.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 19:03:13
March 27 2013 19:02 GMT
#3526
Someone needs to tell John Roberts to stop being such a douche as everything he says is public record and it would be wise to remember that when you write your book in 30-40 years in the attempt to cement your legacy.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 27 2013 19:04 GMT
#3527
On March 27 2013 09:30 ziggurat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 05:19 farvacola wrote:
On March 27 2013 04:57 xDaunt wrote:
On March 27 2013 04:29 farvacola wrote:
WASHINGTON—The Supreme Court on Tuesday wrestled inconclusively with California's ban on gay marriage, as Justice Anthony Kennedy expressed dissatisfaction with several of the court's options and Chief Justice John Roberts said he was worried that gay-marriage proponents were trying to move too quickly.

When the 80 minutes of argument concluded, it was hard to predict how the justices would rule on the issue. Chief Justice Roberts asked several questions about whether the backers of California's Proposition 8 had the right to be in court at all, because the state declined to defend the gay-marriage ban.

The court's four liberal justices asked questions suggesting sympathy for the gay-marriage cause, but across the ideological spectrum, justices showed reluctance to issue a ruling establishing an immediate constitutional right to gay marriage across the 50 states.

In the first part of the arguments, Justice Kennedy, a potential swing vote, raised a point made by gay-marriage supporters, saying nearly 40,000 children in California are living with same-sex parents who are barred from marriage.

"They want their parents to have full recognition and full status," Justice Kennedy said to lawyer Charles Cooper, who was defending Proposition 8. "The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?"


Skeptical Justices Question Lawyer Defending Prop 8

The Court is going to strike Proposition 8 down. Kennedy and possibly Roberts will side with the liberals. I wouldn't be surprised if the opinion is severely fractured given all of the possible grounds for striking the law. The Court will pay lip service to concerns about judicial resolution to the issue creating a festering political sore (a la Roe v. Wade), but it won't stop them.

I'm inclined to agree (except for the festering political sore part ). I would absolutely love to have been a fly on the wall in the Supreme Court these past few months. After Roberts' controversial ACA opinion, it would seem to me that the conservative side of the chamber would be more splintered than ever, and Prop 8 is the perfect sort of case to further expound on those ideological differences. I hope Roberts and Kenny both issue lengthy opinions.

I think the talk about how the Supreme Court is divided into conservative and liberal factions is hugely overblown. Take this morning's decision about drug-sniffing dogs. In a 5-4 decision, the majority was written by Scalia, joined by Thomas, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and Kagan. The minority was written by Alito, joined by Roberts, Breyer, and Kennedy.

that's a case of a legal issue that does not divide neatly along conservative-liberal issues. procedure stuff can be like this.

but the division is still there
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
HunterX11
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
March 27 2013 19:14 GMT
#3528
On March 28 2013 04:04 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 09:30 ziggurat wrote:
On March 27 2013 05:19 farvacola wrote:
On March 27 2013 04:57 xDaunt wrote:
On March 27 2013 04:29 farvacola wrote:
WASHINGTON—The Supreme Court on Tuesday wrestled inconclusively with California's ban on gay marriage, as Justice Anthony Kennedy expressed dissatisfaction with several of the court's options and Chief Justice John Roberts said he was worried that gay-marriage proponents were trying to move too quickly.

When the 80 minutes of argument concluded, it was hard to predict how the justices would rule on the issue. Chief Justice Roberts asked several questions about whether the backers of California's Proposition 8 had the right to be in court at all, because the state declined to defend the gay-marriage ban.

The court's four liberal justices asked questions suggesting sympathy for the gay-marriage cause, but across the ideological spectrum, justices showed reluctance to issue a ruling establishing an immediate constitutional right to gay marriage across the 50 states.

In the first part of the arguments, Justice Kennedy, a potential swing vote, raised a point made by gay-marriage supporters, saying nearly 40,000 children in California are living with same-sex parents who are barred from marriage.

"They want their parents to have full recognition and full status," Justice Kennedy said to lawyer Charles Cooper, who was defending Proposition 8. "The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?"


Skeptical Justices Question Lawyer Defending Prop 8

The Court is going to strike Proposition 8 down. Kennedy and possibly Roberts will side with the liberals. I wouldn't be surprised if the opinion is severely fractured given all of the possible grounds for striking the law. The Court will pay lip service to concerns about judicial resolution to the issue creating a festering political sore (a la Roe v. Wade), but it won't stop them.

I'm inclined to agree (except for the festering political sore part ). I would absolutely love to have been a fly on the wall in the Supreme Court these past few months. After Roberts' controversial ACA opinion, it would seem to me that the conservative side of the chamber would be more splintered than ever, and Prop 8 is the perfect sort of case to further expound on those ideological differences. I hope Roberts and Kenny both issue lengthy opinions.

I think the talk about how the Supreme Court is divided into conservative and liberal factions is hugely overblown. Take this morning's decision about drug-sniffing dogs. In a 5-4 decision, the majority was written by Scalia, joined by Thomas, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and Kagan. The minority was written by Alito, joined by Roberts, Breyer, and Kennedy.

that's a case of a legal issue that does not divide neatly along conservative-liberal issues. procedure stuff can be like this.

but the division is still there


It actually does reflect an ideological divide, but one more nuanced than simply liberal/conservative. For lack of better terms, some of the "liberals" lean more in favor toward greater police powers as a consistent part of their judicial philosophies, even though there is rarely ever such a correlation among laypeople. (Though in contrast, Scalia saying that the exclusionary rule might not be necessary because the police have cleaned up enough since its inception might just be one of the stupidest things I've read from the Court in a while.)
Try using both Irradiate and Defensive Matrix on an Overlord. It looks pretty neat.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
March 27 2013 19:16 GMT
#3529
On March 28 2013 04:14 HunterX11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 04:04 oneofthem wrote:
On March 27 2013 09:30 ziggurat wrote:
On March 27 2013 05:19 farvacola wrote:
On March 27 2013 04:57 xDaunt wrote:
On March 27 2013 04:29 farvacola wrote:
WASHINGTON—The Supreme Court on Tuesday wrestled inconclusively with California's ban on gay marriage, as Justice Anthony Kennedy expressed dissatisfaction with several of the court's options and Chief Justice John Roberts said he was worried that gay-marriage proponents were trying to move too quickly.

When the 80 minutes of argument concluded, it was hard to predict how the justices would rule on the issue. Chief Justice Roberts asked several questions about whether the backers of California's Proposition 8 had the right to be in court at all, because the state declined to defend the gay-marriage ban.

The court's four liberal justices asked questions suggesting sympathy for the gay-marriage cause, but across the ideological spectrum, justices showed reluctance to issue a ruling establishing an immediate constitutional right to gay marriage across the 50 states.

In the first part of the arguments, Justice Kennedy, a potential swing vote, raised a point made by gay-marriage supporters, saying nearly 40,000 children in California are living with same-sex parents who are barred from marriage.

"They want their parents to have full recognition and full status," Justice Kennedy said to lawyer Charles Cooper, who was defending Proposition 8. "The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?"


Skeptical Justices Question Lawyer Defending Prop 8

The Court is going to strike Proposition 8 down. Kennedy and possibly Roberts will side with the liberals. I wouldn't be surprised if the opinion is severely fractured given all of the possible grounds for striking the law. The Court will pay lip service to concerns about judicial resolution to the issue creating a festering political sore (a la Roe v. Wade), but it won't stop them.

I'm inclined to agree (except for the festering political sore part ). I would absolutely love to have been a fly on the wall in the Supreme Court these past few months. After Roberts' controversial ACA opinion, it would seem to me that the conservative side of the chamber would be more splintered than ever, and Prop 8 is the perfect sort of case to further expound on those ideological differences. I hope Roberts and Kenny both issue lengthy opinions.

I think the talk about how the Supreme Court is divided into conservative and liberal factions is hugely overblown. Take this morning's decision about drug-sniffing dogs. In a 5-4 decision, the majority was written by Scalia, joined by Thomas, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and Kagan. The minority was written by Alito, joined by Roberts, Breyer, and Kennedy.

that's a case of a legal issue that does not divide neatly along conservative-liberal issues. procedure stuff can be like this.

but the division is still there


It actually does reflect an ideological divide, but one more nuanced than simply liberal/conservative. For lack of better terms, some of the "liberals" lean more in favor toward greater police powers as a consistent part of their judicial philosophies, even though there is rarely ever such a correlation among laypeople. (Though in contrast, Scalia saying that the exclusionary rule might not be necessary because the police have cleaned up enough since its inception might just be one of the stupidest things I've read from the Court in a while.)

Scalia speaks so Thomas doesn't have to
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 01:12:52
March 27 2013 19:34 GMT
#3530
On March 28 2013 04:14 HunterX11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 04:04 oneofthem wrote:
On March 27 2013 09:30 ziggurat wrote:
On March 27 2013 05:19 farvacola wrote:
On March 27 2013 04:57 xDaunt wrote:
On March 27 2013 04:29 farvacola wrote:
WASHINGTON—The Supreme Court on Tuesday wrestled inconclusively with California's ban on gay marriage, as Justice Anthony Kennedy expressed dissatisfaction with several of the court's options and Chief Justice John Roberts said he was worried that gay-marriage proponents were trying to move too quickly.

When the 80 minutes of argument concluded, it was hard to predict how the justices would rule on the issue. Chief Justice Roberts asked several questions about whether the backers of California's Proposition 8 had the right to be in court at all, because the state declined to defend the gay-marriage ban.

The court's four liberal justices asked questions suggesting sympathy for the gay-marriage cause, but across the ideological spectrum, justices showed reluctance to issue a ruling establishing an immediate constitutional right to gay marriage across the 50 states.

In the first part of the arguments, Justice Kennedy, a potential swing vote, raised a point made by gay-marriage supporters, saying nearly 40,000 children in California are living with same-sex parents who are barred from marriage.

"They want their parents to have full recognition and full status," Justice Kennedy said to lawyer Charles Cooper, who was defending Proposition 8. "The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?"


Skeptical Justices Question Lawyer Defending Prop 8

The Court is going to strike Proposition 8 down. Kennedy and possibly Roberts will side with the liberals. I wouldn't be surprised if the opinion is severely fractured given all of the possible grounds for striking the law. The Court will pay lip service to concerns about judicial resolution to the issue creating a festering political sore (a la Roe v. Wade), but it won't stop them.

I'm inclined to agree (except for the festering political sore part ). I would absolutely love to have been a fly on the wall in the Supreme Court these past few months. After Roberts' controversial ACA opinion, it would seem to me that the conservative side of the chamber would be more splintered than ever, and Prop 8 is the perfect sort of case to further expound on those ideological differences. I hope Roberts and Kenny both issue lengthy opinions.

I think the talk about how the Supreme Court is divided into conservative and liberal factions is hugely overblown. Take this morning's decision about drug-sniffing dogs. In a 5-4 decision, the majority was written by Scalia, joined by Thomas, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and Kagan. The minority was written by Alito, joined by Roberts, Breyer, and Kennedy.

that's a case of a legal issue that does not divide neatly along conservative-liberal issues. procedure stuff can be like this.

but the division is still there


It actually does reflect an ideological divide, but one more nuanced than simply liberal/conservative. For lack of better terms, some of the "liberals" lean more in favor toward greater police powers as a consistent part of their judicial philosophies, even though there is rarely ever such a correlation among laypeople. (Though in contrast, Scalia saying that the exclusionary rule might not be necessary because the police have cleaned up enough since its inception might just be one of the stupidest things I've read from the Court in a while.)

was just making a general remark.. didn't see this particular case.

but yea roughly i was making the same point as bolded part. the common definition of liberal conservative doesn't cover many of the judicial issues present to the court, though even in those cases you can see how a particular ideology guides to a certain approach.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ziggurat
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada847 Posts
March 28 2013 01:32 GMT
#3531
On March 28 2013 04:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Someone needs to tell John Roberts to stop being such a douche as everything he says is public record and it would be wise to remember that when you write your book in 30-40 years in the attempt to cement your legacy.

Like what?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 28 2013 16:15 GMT
#3532
On March 28 2013 10:32 ziggurat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 04:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Someone needs to tell John Roberts to stop being such a douche as everything he says is public record and it would be wise to remember that when you write your book in 30-40 years in the attempt to cement your legacy.

Like what?


Read the transcripts from yesterday, he complains that gays already have enough/more voice in political discussion?! I mean really... Anyways....

I think Boehner is between a rock and a hard place, he could easily call for a vote on repealing DOMA but guess what the lunatics are running the asylum and he would lose the speakership and watch a Ta Partier or Eric Cantor rise to the occasion, which would be a disaster. Or he can use his trump card, and frankly his only card, and hope that gerrymandering prevents the flood and decreases it to a trickle and that the Moderates replace the Tea Party before the Democrats wash all of them away.

The House Republican leadership has billed American taxpayers $3 million to defend the anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in federal courts and the U.S. Supreme Court, but GOP leaders did a deep dive on Wednesday as the high court heard the legal challenge to DOMA.

The growing approval of same-sex marriage, and declining popularity of anti-gay laws, seems to have gotten under House Speaker John Boehner’s orange skin.

Boehner was tweeting Wednesday on familiar topics — “Time to Build the Keystone Pipeline,” “Bad News for Obamacare” — but said not a tweet about a federal law that discriminates against same-sex couples and denies them federal benefits.

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor was carrying on about an Indiana Supreme Court decision that cleared the way for school vouchers.

By contrast, freshman Rep. Suzan DelBene, D-Wash., whose district includes conservative rural areas, was trumpeting the fact that she was one of 200 Democratic House and Senate members who signed legal briefs advocating that DOMA be overturned.

Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., who voted for DOMA in 1996, tweeted that she hopes the Supreme Court will overturn the law. She is a cosponsor of legislation that would throw out the anti-gay law.

With public opinion rapidly changing, House Republicans have tried to disguise the big legal bill, used to hire ex-Solicitor General Paul Clement. The House leadership assumed defense of DOMA when the Obama administration decided the law was no longer defensible.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14211 Posts
March 28 2013 16:21 GMT
#3533
I wouldn't call 3 million a "big legal bill" when it comes to the scale at which the us government doles out billions like it was candy and obama spending 20 million a year to go back to hawaii every winter.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 28 2013 16:31 GMT
#3534
On March 29 2013 01:21 Sermokala wrote:
I wouldn't call 3 million a "big legal bill" when it comes to the scale at which the us government doles out billions like it was candy and obama spending 20 million a year to go back to hawaii every winter.


In political terms it is as all he has to do is call a vote but he can't as it will be on record and with growing public dissent against DOMA that is a definite no.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
March 28 2013 17:15 GMT
#3535
On March 29 2013 01:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 10:32 ziggurat wrote:
On March 28 2013 04:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Someone needs to tell John Roberts to stop being such a douche as everything he says is public record and it would be wise to remember that when you write your book in 30-40 years in the attempt to cement your legacy.

Like what?


Read the transcripts from yesterday, he complains that gays already have enough/more voice in political discussion?! I mean really... Anyways....

Don't they?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
March 28 2013 17:17 GMT
#3536
On March 29 2013 02:15 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 01:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 28 2013 10:32 ziggurat wrote:
On March 28 2013 04:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Someone needs to tell John Roberts to stop being such a douche as everything he says is public record and it would be wise to remember that when you write your book in 30-40 years in the attempt to cement your legacy.

Like what?


Read the transcripts from yesterday, he complains that gays already have enough/more voice in political discussion?! I mean really... Anyways....

Don't they?

They cannot legally marry in many, many states. I'd say no.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
March 28 2013 17:24 GMT
#3537
On March 29 2013 02:17 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 02:15 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On March 29 2013 01:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 28 2013 10:32 ziggurat wrote:
On March 28 2013 04:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Someone needs to tell John Roberts to stop being such a douche as everything he says is public record and it would be wise to remember that when you write your book in 30-40 years in the attempt to cement your legacy.

Like what?


Read the transcripts from yesterday, he complains that gays already have enough/more voice in political discussion?! I mean really... Anyways....

Don't they?

They cannot legally marry in many, many states. I'd say no.

But that's changing quickly. Over half the country supports gay marriage. That's a lot of political power in a democracy.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
March 28 2013 17:28 GMT
#3538
On March 29 2013 02:24 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 02:17 farvacola wrote:
On March 29 2013 02:15 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On March 29 2013 01:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 28 2013 10:32 ziggurat wrote:
On March 28 2013 04:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Someone needs to tell John Roberts to stop being such a douche as everything he says is public record and it would be wise to remember that when you write your book in 30-40 years in the attempt to cement your legacy.

Like what?


Read the transcripts from yesterday, he complains that gays already have enough/more voice in political discussion?! I mean really... Anyways....

Don't they?

They cannot legally marry in many, many states. I'd say no.

But that's changing quickly. Over half the country supports gay marriage. That's a lot of political power in a democracy.

Once gays have the basic right to marry whom they wish, I'll agree with you. The fact remains that many people consider something so basic still at the will of the states instead of guaranteed federally, effectively limiting a great deal of that political power you speak of.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
HunterX11
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
March 28 2013 17:33 GMT
#3539
On March 29 2013 02:15 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 01:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 28 2013 10:32 ziggurat wrote:
On March 28 2013 04:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Someone needs to tell John Roberts to stop being such a douche as everything he says is public record and it would be wise to remember that when you write your book in 30-40 years in the attempt to cement your legacy.

Like what?


Read the transcripts from yesterday, he complains that gays already have enough/more voice in political discussion?! I mean really... Anyways....

Don't they?


In many states, your boss can legally fire you for being gay. If there were Federal ENDA legislation (or even just similar legislation in more than a slim majority of states), and being gay was considered a suspect classification, you might have a point. However, neither of those are true. So, no, they don't.
Try using both Irradiate and Defensive Matrix on an Overlord. It looks pretty neat.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
March 28 2013 17:33 GMT
#3540
On March 29 2013 02:28 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 02:24 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On March 29 2013 02:17 farvacola wrote:
On March 29 2013 02:15 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On March 29 2013 01:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 28 2013 10:32 ziggurat wrote:
On March 28 2013 04:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Someone needs to tell John Roberts to stop being such a douche as everything he says is public record and it would be wise to remember that when you write your book in 30-40 years in the attempt to cement your legacy.

Like what?


Read the transcripts from yesterday, he complains that gays already have enough/more voice in political discussion?! I mean really... Anyways....

Don't they?

They cannot legally marry in many, many states. I'd say no.

But that's changing quickly. Over half the country supports gay marriage. That's a lot of political power in a democracy.

Once gays have the basic right to marry whom they wish, I'll agree with you. The fact remains that many people consider something so basic still at the will of the states instead of guaranteed federally, effectively limiting a great deal of that political power you speak of.

I don't understand what you mean. Guaranteed federally would imply some constitutional protection (at least it my mind it does) which, in this case, really wouldn't have anything to do with political power.
Prev 1 175 176 177 178 179 10093 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 13h 56m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 76
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 15879
Calm 2222
Mini 165
Rush 112
EffOrt 96
Trap 21
Bale 16
scan(afreeca) 16
Dota 2
febbydoto17
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
fl0m5594
pashabiceps898
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King73
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby4127
Liquid`Hasu612
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi1877
Beastyqt702
RotterdaM635
B2W.Neo575
C9.Mang0295
shahzam225
IndyStarCraft 183
crisheroes167
QueenE100
Trikslyr91
Dewaltoss67
UpATreeSC59
ZombieGrub35
JuggernautJason22
ToD4
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream26
Other Games
Algost 4
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 29
• Michael_bg 15
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• TFBlade889
Other Games
• imaqtpie967
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
13h 56m
INu's Battles
14h 56m
Percival vs SHIN
Zoun vs herO
OSC
16h 56m
OSC
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 2h
OSC
2 days
AI Arena Tournament
2 days
BSL: Ladder Tournament
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Patches Events
3 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Open Qualifier
3 days
BSL Open Qualifier
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSB
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
HCC Season 3
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.