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Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
December 18 2014 17:53 GMT
#30601
that's one thing I never understood about the US. at the core of a democracy should be the freedom of courts but at the same time you have the US government appointing judges and attorneys
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22596 Posts
December 18 2014 18:01 GMT
#30602
On December 19 2014 02:53 Skilledblob wrote:
that's one thing I never understood about the US. at the core of a democracy should be the freedom of courts but at the same time you have the US government appointing judges and attorneys

Same thing (more or less) happens is most countries. It happens in the Netherlands and it happens in Germany (unless wikipedia is wrong).
Your Bundesrad and Bundestag chose the judges who oversee the constitution (Bundesverfassungsgericht)
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
December 18 2014 18:18 GMT
#30603
On December 19 2014 03:01 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2014 02:53 Skilledblob wrote:
that's one thing I never understood about the US. at the core of a democracy should be the freedom of courts but at the same time you have the US government appointing judges and attorneys

Same thing (more or less) happens is most countries. It happens in the Netherlands and it happens in Germany (unless wikipedia is wrong).
Your Bundesrad and Bundestag chose the judges who oversee the constitution (Bundesverfassungsgericht)


well then that's just as bad, doesnt change the problem though
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 18 2014 18:41 GMT
#30604
On December 19 2014 03:18 Skilledblob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2014 03:01 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 19 2014 02:53 Skilledblob wrote:
that's one thing I never understood about the US. at the core of a democracy should be the freedom of courts but at the same time you have the US government appointing judges and attorneys

Same thing (more or less) happens is most countries. It happens in the Netherlands and it happens in Germany (unless wikipedia is wrong).
Your Bundesrad and Bundestag chose the judges who oversee the constitution (Bundesverfassungsgericht)


well then that's just as bad, doesnt change the problem though


It's the idea of checks and balances. Judges are generally appointed for life, so they get a lot of freedom after being appointed.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 18 2014 18:47 GMT
#30605
Backing this up is Congress which just defunded the policy which targeted such groups and activities.

Colorado health officials this week awarded $8 million in research grants to study the use of medical marijuana to treat symptoms associated with Parkinson's disease, childhood epilepsy and post-traumatic stress disorder. The funding comes from taxes imposed on the state-regulated sale of medical marijuana.

Colorado was one of the first two U.S. states to legalize recreational pot use, and it is among 23 states and the District of Columbia that permit use of the drug for medicinal purposes.

But weed use for any reason remains illegal under federal law, a situation that has long meant a dearth of funding for medical marijuana research. Results have been limited and largely anecdotal.

In awarding eight grants for landmark peer-reviewed studies into various maladies, the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment said on Wednesday that it hopes to provide objective scientific research on the efficacy of medical marijuana.

"The grant program ... should not be construed as encouraging tor sanctioning the social or recreational use of marijuana," the department said in a statement.

Colorado lawmakers set up a Medical Marijuana Scientific Advisory Council last year and allocated $10 million to administer a program to conduct the studies. The council received about three dozen applications, from which it chose the eight approved on Wednesday by the department.

Six of the grants will go to the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus, said university spokesman Mark Couch.


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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
December 18 2014 19:02 GMT
#30606
On December 19 2014 02:53 Skilledblob wrote:
that's one thing I never understood about the US. at the core of a democracy should be the freedom of courts but at the same time you have the US government appointing judges and attorneys

Federal judges decisions in general tend to be much more impartial than elected state judges precisely because judges have life tenure. Its true, its a very fascinating reality that the guardians of American democracy are essentially Platonic Philosopher King's whose career path is actually pretty narrow: to be a judge you first have to have graduated from a small elite circle of schools and then pursued a very specific trajectory. But the system works decently well, sometimes the court system drives the reforms -- Black freedom in the 1950s and 60s -- and sometimes it drives terribleness -- black legal re-enslavement under Jim Crow --. In general though the courts seem to reflect the zeitgeist of the America nation. So just as homosexuality became culturally accepted so the courts responded by striking down anti-gay laws.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
December 18 2014 19:04 GMT
#30607
On December 19 2014 01:25 oneofthem wrote:
sony etc are also making a statement of 'halp' to the government.

all corporations have dirty secrets, and media companies especially so because they deal with public celebrities and are very brutal with their IP territorial game.

As the verge editorialized, the only choice is to release the movie for free online. Otherwise terrorists win.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 18 2014 19:24 GMT
#30608
WASHINGTON -- The Justice Department will now interpret the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as protecting transgender government employees from discrimination, Attorney General Eric Holder announced Thursday.

In a memo, Holder wrote that the "best reading of Title VII's prohibition of sex discrimination is that it encompasses discrimination based on gender identity, including transgender status." Holder said that while Congress "may not have had such claims in mind when it enacted Title VII, the Supreme Court has made clear that Title VII must be interpreted according to its plain text."

In a statement, Holder called the move an “important shift" that "will ensure that the protections of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 are extended to those who suffer discrimination based on gender identity, including transgender status."

The Employment Litigation Section of the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division enforces Title VII of the Civil Rights Act against state and local governments. DOJ does not file suit against private employers for discrimination claims.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
December 18 2014 19:27 GMT
#30609
On December 19 2014 04:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
WASHINGTON -- The Justice Department will now interpret the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as protecting transgender government employees from discrimination, Attorney General Eric Holder announced Thursday.

In a memo, Holder wrote that the "best reading of Title VII's prohibition of sex discrimination is that it encompasses discrimination based on gender identity, including transgender status." Holder said that while Congress "may not have had such claims in mind when it enacted Title VII, the Supreme Court has made clear that Title VII must be interpreted according to its plain text."

In a statement, Holder called the move an “important shift" that "will ensure that the protections of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 are extended to those who suffer discrimination based on gender identity, including transgender status."

The Employment Litigation Section of the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division enforces Title VII of the Civil Rights Act against state and local governments. DOJ does not file suit against private employers for discrimination claims.


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Wow, excellent news!
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 18 2014 20:53 GMT
#30610
Workers at Walmart and Sam's Club stores in Pennsylvania who worked off the clock and when they were supposed to be on break, or who were forced to skip their breaks, will receive $151 million in unpaid wages and damages, Pennsylvania's Supreme Court ruled Monday, upholding lower- and appellate-court decisions.

The case affects nearly 187,000 people employed by Wal-Mart Stores Inc. from March 1998 through April 2006.

"This demonstrates that [this] type of shortchanging of workers at a mammoth employer should not be tolerated and that the justice system should provide some form of relief for low-wage workers, particularly through class actions," said Michael D. Donovan of Donovan Axler L.L.C., in Philadelphia, the workers' lawyer.

"We disagree with the decision, and continue to believe that these claims should not be bundled together into a class-action lawsuit," Wal-Mart said in a statement Monday.

"In our view, this was not a case of 'trial by formula' or of a class action 'run amok,' " Justices Ronald D. Castille, J. Michael Eakin, Max Baer, and Debra McCloskey Todd said in the opinion, with Thomas G. Saylor dissenting.

Wal-Mart said it was considering an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
December 18 2014 21:11 GMT
#30611
On December 19 2014 04:02 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2014 02:53 Skilledblob wrote:
that's one thing I never understood about the US. at the core of a democracy should be the freedom of courts but at the same time you have the US government appointing judges and attorneys

Federal judges decisions in general tend to be much more impartial than elected state judges precisely because judges have life tenure. Its true, its a very fascinating reality that the guardians of American democracy are essentially Platonic Philosopher King's whose career path is actually pretty narrow: to be a judge you first have to have graduated from a small elite circle of schools and then pursued a very specific trajectory. But the system works decently well, sometimes the court system drives the reforms -- Black freedom in the 1950s and 60s -- and sometimes it drives terribleness -- black legal re-enslavement under Jim Crow --. In general though the courts seem to reflect the zeitgeist of the America nation. So just as homosexuality became culturally accepted so the courts responded by striking down anti-gay laws.

Just remember that Thurgood Marshall came from Howard and Earl Warren from Berkeley
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
December 18 2014 21:16 GMT
#30612
On December 19 2014 02:53 Skilledblob wrote:
that's one thing I never understood about the US. at the core of a democracy should be the freedom of courts but at the same time you have the US government appointing judges and attorneys


How would you prefer they be selected? Some states elect theirs, which seems silly to me, but might be what you're after?

On December 18 2014 12:04 oneofthem wrote:
can francis run for president?


I'm pretty sure if you'd asked the framers what individuals they had in mind coming up with the "natural-born citizen" rule, "The Pope" would have been in the top five of the list, along with some European hereditary monarchs.

On December 18 2014 03:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
That I believe women in Cuba has allowed women to drive for well, since the invention of the car.


Sure, but buying and selling of cars was practically illegal until a few years ago.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
December 18 2014 21:20 GMT
#30613
On December 19 2014 06:11 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2014 04:02 Sub40APM wrote:
On December 19 2014 02:53 Skilledblob wrote:
that's one thing I never understood about the US. at the core of a democracy should be the freedom of courts but at the same time you have the US government appointing judges and attorneys

Federal judges decisions in general tend to be much more impartial than elected state judges precisely because judges have life tenure. Its true, its a very fascinating reality that the guardians of American democracy are essentially Platonic Philosopher King's whose career path is actually pretty narrow: to be a judge you first have to have graduated from a small elite circle of schools and then pursued a very specific trajectory. But the system works decently well, sometimes the court system drives the reforms -- Black freedom in the 1950s and 60s -- and sometimes it drives terribleness -- black legal re-enslavement under Jim Crow --. In general though the courts seem to reflect the zeitgeist of the America nation. So just as homosexuality became culturally accepted so the courts responded by striking down anti-gay laws.

Just remember that Thurgood Marshall came from Howard and Earl Warren from Berkeley

Yes and Clarance Thomas sometimes gets University of Georgia Law School clerks. Its a Harvard-Yale duopoly at the SC.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
December 18 2014 21:28 GMT
#30614
On December 18 2014 22:30 paralleluniverse wrote:
Sony pulling The Interview is a cowardly move. They are caving into terrorist demands.

As for the comparison with the Danish Muhammad cartoons, that was worse. It led to deadly Muslim riots all around the world and hundreds of deaths.

Both show the lack of tolerance for free speech. But the latter also had progressives betraying the principle of free speech by demanding that the cartoons be censored. I don't see these people asking for The Interview to be censored now.

It's time to take a stand for free speech, and not cave in like the spineless cowards that Sony are. That means no idea, whether it's the fictional assassination of Kim Jong Un or cartoons of Muhammad or anything else, is beyond being depicted or mocked.


Progressives value free speech but not as much as they value bending over backwards to appease offended Muslims so they can pat themselves on the back for how tolerant they are. Suddenly they all want to criticize Sony/AMC for being cowardly when over the last 5 years they have gone out of their way to condemn any form of expression that might agitate Muslim extremists.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
December 18 2014 21:30 GMT
#30615
On December 19 2014 06:20 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2014 06:11 farvacola wrote:
On December 19 2014 04:02 Sub40APM wrote:
On December 19 2014 02:53 Skilledblob wrote:
that's one thing I never understood about the US. at the core of a democracy should be the freedom of courts but at the same time you have the US government appointing judges and attorneys

Federal judges decisions in general tend to be much more impartial than elected state judges precisely because judges have life tenure. Its true, its a very fascinating reality that the guardians of American democracy are essentially Platonic Philosopher King's whose career path is actually pretty narrow: to be a judge you first have to have graduated from a small elite circle of schools and then pursued a very specific trajectory. But the system works decently well, sometimes the court system drives the reforms -- Black freedom in the 1950s and 60s -- and sometimes it drives terribleness -- black legal re-enslavement under Jim Crow --. In general though the courts seem to reflect the zeitgeist of the America nation. So just as homosexuality became culturally accepted so the courts responded by striking down anti-gay laws.

Just remember that Thurgood Marshall came from Howard and Earl Warren from Berkeley

Yes and Clarance Thomas sometimes gets University of Georgia Law School clerks. Its a Harvard-Yale duopoly at the SC.

Yeah well Clarence Thomas also sometimes leaves his pubic hair on the tops of Coke cans, so I'll put him in his own box.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 18 2014 21:39 GMT
#30616
On December 19 2014 04:04 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2014 01:25 oneofthem wrote:
sony etc are also making a statement of 'halp' to the government.

all corporations have dirty secrets, and media companies especially so because they deal with public celebrities and are very brutal with their IP territorial game.

As the verge editorialized, the only choice is to release the movie for free online. Otherwise terrorists win.

they'll release it in some way but not free. they've got a ton of free hype about this probable shit movie
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
JumboJohnson
Profile Joined December 2011
537 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-18 22:12:21
December 18 2014 22:12 GMT
#30617
Someone mentioned Team America earlier, Paramount disallows theater to play Team America.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 18 2014 22:32 GMT
#30618
On December 19 2014 06:16 Yoav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2014 02:53 Skilledblob wrote:
that's one thing I never understood about the US. at the core of a democracy should be the freedom of courts but at the same time you have the US government appointing judges and attorneys


How would you prefer they be selected? Some states elect theirs, which seems silly to me, but might be what you're after?

Show nested quote +
On December 18 2014 12:04 oneofthem wrote:
can francis run for president?


I'm pretty sure if you'd asked the framers what individuals they had in mind coming up with the "natural-born citizen" rule, "The Pope" would have been in the top five of the list, along with some European hereditary monarchs.

Show nested quote +
On December 18 2014 03:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
That I believe women in Cuba has allowed women to drive for well, since the invention of the car.


Sure, but buying and selling of cars was practically illegal until a few years ago.


Oddly enough the Cubans are about to make serious bank as the Cars they drive now are classics in the US.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 18 2014 22:41 GMT
#30619
The states of Nebraska and Oklahoma filed a federal lawsuit in the U.S. Supreme Court Thursday, claiming that Colorado's legalization of recreational marijuana is unconstitutional under federal law.

"Federal law undisputedly prohibits the production and sale of marijuana," Nebraska Attorney General Jon Bruning said Thursday in a statement. "Colorado has undermined the United States Constitution, and I hope the U.S. Supreme Court will uphold our constitutional principles."

But Colorado Attorney General John Suthers isn't backing down. In a statement, he said he intends to defend the state's marijuana laws.

“Because neighboring states have expressed concern about Colorado-grown marijuana coming into their states, we are not entirely surprised by this action," Suthers said. "However, it appears the plaintiffs’ primary grievance stems from non-enforcement of federal laws regarding marijuana, as opposed to choices made by the voters of Colorado. We believe this suit is without merit and we will vigorously defend against it in the U.S. Supreme Court.”

Bruning, along with Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt, argue that under the U.S. Constitution's Supremacy Clause, Colorado's legalization of recreational marijuana is unconstitutional because marijuana remains illegal under federal law. The clause states that in general, federal law takes precedence over state law.

"The illegal products being distributed in Colorado are being trafficked across state lines thereby injuring neighboring states like Oklahoma and Nebraska," Pruitt said in a statement.

The regulation of recreational marijuana -- as seen in programs currently in place in Colorado and Washington state, as well as those that will soon go into effect in Oregon and Alaska -- remains illegal under the 1970 Controlled Substances Act. The states that have legalized marijuana or softened penalties for possession have only been able to do so because of federal guidance urging federal prosecutors to refrain from targeting state-legal marijuana operations.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
December 18 2014 22:50 GMT
#30620
On December 19 2014 02:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
President Barack Obama can thank outgoing Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) for triggering the "nuclear option" in November 2013 and securing him one of the most robust judicial legacies of any modern president.

In six years, he has appointed a whopping 307 judges, who will shape the law for decades after he leaves office. The final 12 district judges were confirmed in the closing night of the Senate session on Tuesday, Reid's final move before Democrats surrender control of the chamber.

"The Obama Administration and the United States Senate have given Americans the best possible holiday present: the gift of justice," said Nan Aron, the president of the progressive law and policy group Alliance For Justice.

A total of 132 judges were confirmed in the 113th Congress — the most since the 1970s.

Perhaps most significant is his appointment of 53 judges on federal circuit courts, which have the last word on most matters of law. When Obama took office, just one of 13 appeals courts had a majority of Democratic-appointed judges on the active bench. Today, nine of 13 appeals courts have a majority of Democratic appointees.

"There has been an extraordinary onslaught of confirmations in the last year," said Russell Wheeler, an expert on federal courts at the Brookings Institution.

Obama has named the first-ever Native American woman and Indian-American federal judge. He has placed more female and Hispanic judges than any previous president, and more Asian-American and openly gay judges than all other presidents combined.

"Before Obama, 59 percent of the active judges were white males. Now it's down to 51 percent. That's quite a change in 6 years," Wheeler said. "You probably want to have a judiciary that looks like the people it's serving, and if they're all white males then you don't have that."

Until November 2013, Obama lagged behind his predecessors in confirming judges, facing unusual delays by the Senate Republican minority. Then Reid and 51 Democrats triggered the "nuclear option" to scrap the 60-vote threshold for all nominations other than the Supreme Court, advancing some stalled nominations and kicking the process into overdrive. Since then, Obama has outpaced his two predecessors in confirming appellate court judges.

In the last year, Democrats have confirmed 14 of Obama's circuit court nominees, half with fewer than 60 votes. The most salient impact of the "nuclear option" was to add three judges to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, widely described as the second most powerful federal court, and a feeder to the Supreme Court. Senate Republicans had refused to fill the three vacancies. The nuclear option also freed Obama to appoint some more liberal judges, including Nina Pillard to the D.C. Circuit, who drew comparisons to Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg — and faced GOP opposition — for her work on gender equality.


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Hilarious how it was the worst thing ever and was going to destroy the republic.... Now that it's going to favor republicans it can't possibly go back to the rules that preserved the republic. Entirely not surprising to see McCain be one of few with the integrity to say it's ridiculous for them to have done all that complaining and then do nothing about it when they have the power to 'fix' it.

How can we take these people seriously?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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