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sam!zdat
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kwizach
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On February 18 2013 10:25 TerribleNoobling wrote: Either way it's a semantic discussion and hence unproductive but I don't see the point of having Republic and Democracy mean the same thing when you could have them mean separate things. They don't mean the same thing. The U.K. is a (constitutional) monarchy and a democracy. The U.S. is a republic and a democracy. | ||
JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On February 18 2013 11:21 acker wrote: Relative to what? Replacing a broken window is a fixed cost, not a variable one*. It's very possible that dipping into savings to replace such a window could easily pay for itself, depending on the interest rate on his savings. There's absolutely no reason why the shopkeeper must dip into his personal consumption. It's all relative to what he can get money for. *Well, in the long run, even his shop will turn into dust, so I guess it's variable. Not relevant. Even taking the example at face value, replacing the broken window could be $10,000 more profitable than NOT replacing the window. Assume that the broken window lowers sales by 10% and the shopkeeper normally makes 50k a year. But why would you arbitrarily add numbers to a theoretical discussion? Makes no sense. The PV of the interest the shopkeeper receives on his savings = his savings. The only way the shopkeeper wins is if the extra sales generated by the increased economic activity is more than enough to replace the $1,000 lost in replacing the window. For that to happen you need his sales to rise far more than $1,000. And your point about the broken window lowering sales is irrelevant. You can't price replacing the window as its own project. Edit: is this point even worth discussing? Are there any successful retailers out there with business models that follow this line of thinking? | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
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On February 18 2013 12:08 sam!zdat wrote: Yeah, I get it Jonny. the point is that you get these more complicated and more complicated models to try to express risk quantitatively using seriously flawed mathematical tools (the Gaussian) and the more complicated your air castles get, the more you are deluding yourself into thinking you understand what is going on. That's true! At best all the risk adjustment will do is tell you how risky the project is on average. You can't (well, you shouldn't) then go and assume that your project is average. Edit: you also run into problems like assuming a normal probability distribution only to find out that reality follows a different curve and other technical oddities. | ||
sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On February 18 2013 12:24 JonnyBNoHo wrote: Edit: you also run into problems like assuming a normal probability distribution only to find out that reality follows a different curve and other technical oddities. that's because reality is mandelbrotian, not gaussian | ||
JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On February 18 2013 12:33 sam!zdat wrote: And then you financialize your entire society, and tie everything together through a global stock exchange, and you know how risky your stock exchange is on average, and then you go and assume your society is average. It's like building a ship without any bulkheads. True. Entrepreneurs and regulators are supposed to find those flaws and exploit / fix them. But obviously that doesn't always work. yeah totally! ::smiles, nods, pretends he knows what those words mean::: | ||
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Souma
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On February 18 2013 13:21 aksfjh wrote: I know this is a US politics thread, but has anybody been keeping up with Japan? They've basically devalued their currency by at least 15% against the USD in 4 months. That's ridiculous by any accounts, but I don't see a ton of panic on either side of the Pacific. I wish they did that while I was still there... And I thought this is something both sides wanted, so I'm not sure why there'd be panic. | ||
aksfjh
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On February 18 2013 13:36 Souma wrote: I wish they did that while I was still there... And I thought this is something both sides wanted, so I'm not sure why there'd be panic. Well, it's mainly the speed at which it's going down. Losing their international purchasing power by almost 1/5 in a matter of months. I hear rumors of currency wars. | ||
oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On February 18 2013 12:48 aksfjh wrote: Gaussian is easier to represent mathematically. Blame the universe, not statisticians. it's more like complex interaction systems are harder to represent mathematically, yet economics has always liked simple math because the seeming simplicity equates with generality, which gave a sort of scientific appeal. physics equations, are always elegant because they are simple. it is a problem with how economics was done. the best economic models also cannot take into account of the fact of its own use and effect. this is the fundamental level of instability imho. if everyone uses a model that misses a certain kind of risk, then by the widespread adoption of this model by the top players in the game, they will have a runaway miscalculation of the risk. this kind of model-modeled world interaction is, mandelbrotian | ||
sam!zdat
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On February 18 2013 12:44 JonnyBNoHo wrote: True. Entrepreneurs and regulators are supposed to find those flaws and exploit / fix them. But obviously that doesn't always work. yeah totally! ::smiles, nods, pretends he knows what those words mean::: ![]() ![]() (edit: these are not equivalent or used for the same thing or anything. just an illustration) edit: but which one looks more like: ![]() | ||
oneofthem
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the concrete manifestation of thsi in finance is the uniformly bad miscalculation of risk due to use of a flawed model, high and interdependent leverage, and a debt fueled asset (real estate) market rise that led to further debt production. without intricate mathematical models, the way expectation works in a speculative bubble plays that role pretty well. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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After debuting with great fanfare, an RNC-backed scheme to rig the electoral college in blue states to favor Republican presidential candidates is looking mostly dead. But, to quote the Princess Bride, “there’s a big difference between mostly dead and all dead.” Enter Pennsylvania, where an electoral vote bill is more than slightly alive. State Senate president Dominic Pileggi (R) is pushing a plan to change Pennsylvania’s current winner-take-all allocation of the state’s 20 electoral votes to a system that apportions them proportionally by each candidate’s share of the statewide vote. Had it gone into effect before the 2012 election, President Obama would have won just 12 electoral votes to Mitt Romney’s 8. According to a memo Pileggi wrote debuting his new plan, the revamped system “much more accurately reflects the will of the voters in our state.” Pileggi’s bill is slightly less far-reaching a power grab than bills proposed in states like Virginia that would have divided electoral votes by congressional district, which thanks to gerrymandering strongly favors Republicans even in states Obama won handily. This is by design: Pileggi pitched a congressional district split along the lines of the Virginia bill in 2011 only to face near-unanimous opposition from Republican members of Congress in the state who feared Democrats would pour millions of dollars into winning their individual districts. While Pileggi has shifted on the issue, a pair of Pennsylvania state representatives have also introduced a congressional split version since the election. But the biggest difference that sets Pennsylvania apart is that each of the top leaders necessary to pass a bill have expressed support for changing its electoral college. Gov. Tom Corbett (R) strongly backed Pileggi’s 2011 effort. So did state House Majority Leader Mike Turzai (R), best known nationally for bragging that voter ID restrictions opposed by civil rights groups would help Romney win the state in 2012. By contrast, similar electoral vote bills elsewhere hit a wall this year after Republican statehouse leaders, key lawmakers, or governors indicated their opposition. Source | ||
aksfjh
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I'm actually ok with this. I don't like the people that support it and why they support it, but splitting the EC based on popular vote makes sense these days. | ||
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Souma
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On February 19 2013 08:25 aksfjh wrote: I'm actually ok with this. I don't like the people that support it and why they support it, but splitting the EC based on popular vote makes sense these days. It does make sense, but only if all the states do it imo, and if they aren't under the effect of partisan gerrymandering. Imagine if only blue states did this or vice-versa, the other party would never win an election. | ||
Rassy
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edit: these are not equivalent or used for the same thing or anything. just an illustration) edit: but which one looks more like: The bellcurve would be the most fitting to describe the stockmarket. On the x axes you would have the percentage drop or rise in a certain time frame (with the mean as unchanged), for example daily. | ||
sam!zdat
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