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On March 20 2018 03:25 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 03:23 Danglars wrote:On March 20 2018 02:01 CatharsisUT wrote:
As a Texan who went to school in Austin (see username...) I've followed the story very closely. Two reasons I wouldn't have thought to post it here. First, it seemed to stop after the first three attacks. Second, there wasn't much to talk about in terms of US politics. Initial reports were that they might be racially motivated, but could also have been personal attacks on people in a community. Yesterday's bomb using a trip-wire seems less targeted but who knows. Hard to have much discussion on this board (as opposed to the UT sports board I'm on where there is 6 pages of discussion, as there are posters who live in the neighborhood). There’s just too little known about the story to make it a story. If you’re in Texas, maybe this affects people you know or your family. If it’s the nation at large, there’s not much beyond disgust at the action the the desire that the perpetrator is caught. You're not concerned this could be someone loyal to/inspired by ISIS working their way up to a much larger attack and possibly Trump and the FBI are failing to stop him 4 bombs in?
I’m also concerned this could be the work of somebody disgusted with the conclusion of The Bachelor or that SXSW is a global shadow government. Of course I’m concerned that they haven’t caught the guy. No, I don’t think guessing about motivations or national policy is productive or useful in US politics. We still don’t have one for Vegas shooting, after all.
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On March 20 2018 03:42 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 03:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 20 2018 03:23 Danglars wrote:On March 20 2018 02:01 CatharsisUT wrote:
As a Texan who went to school in Austin (see username...) I've followed the story very closely. Two reasons I wouldn't have thought to post it here. First, it seemed to stop after the first three attacks. Second, there wasn't much to talk about in terms of US politics. Initial reports were that they might be racially motivated, but could also have been personal attacks on people in a community. Yesterday's bomb using a trip-wire seems less targeted but who knows. Hard to have much discussion on this board (as opposed to the UT sports board I'm on where there is 6 pages of discussion, as there are posters who live in the neighborhood). There’s just too little known about the story to make it a story. If you’re in Texas, maybe this affects people you know or your family. If it’s the nation at large, there’s not much beyond disgust at the action the the desire that the perpetrator is caught. You're not concerned this could be someone loyal to/inspired by ISIS working their way up to a much larger attack and possibly Trump and the FBI are failing to stop him 4 bombs in? I’m also concerned this could be the work of somebody disgusted with the conclusion of The Bachelor or that SXSW is a global shadow government. Of course I’m concerned that they haven’t caught the guy. No, I don’t think guessing about motivations or national policy is productive or useful in US politics. We still don’t have one for Vegas shooting, after all.
Do you think a serial bomber still running loose several weeks and bombs later reflects poorly on the FBI or other agencies charged with protecting us from such things?
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On March 20 2018 03:49 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 03:42 Danglars wrote:On March 20 2018 03:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 20 2018 03:23 Danglars wrote:On March 20 2018 02:01 CatharsisUT wrote:
As a Texan who went to school in Austin (see username...) I've followed the story very closely. Two reasons I wouldn't have thought to post it here. First, it seemed to stop after the first three attacks. Second, there wasn't much to talk about in terms of US politics. Initial reports were that they might be racially motivated, but could also have been personal attacks on people in a community. Yesterday's bomb using a trip-wire seems less targeted but who knows. Hard to have much discussion on this board (as opposed to the UT sports board I'm on where there is 6 pages of discussion, as there are posters who live in the neighborhood). There’s just too little known about the story to make it a story. If you’re in Texas, maybe this affects people you know or your family. If it’s the nation at large, there’s not much beyond disgust at the action the the desire that the perpetrator is caught. You're not concerned this could be someone loyal to/inspired by ISIS working their way up to a much larger attack and possibly Trump and the FBI are failing to stop him 4 bombs in? I’m also concerned this could be the work of somebody disgusted with the conclusion of The Bachelor or that SXSW is a global shadow government. Of course I’m concerned that they haven’t caught the guy. No, I don’t think guessing about motivations or national policy is productive or useful in US politics. We still don’t have one for Vegas shooting, after all. Do you think a serial bomber still running loose several weeks and bombs later reflects poorly on the FBI or other agencies charged with protecting us from such things?
Smart serial killers are notoriously difficult to track. Often they are only found after years if not decades and many, many victims. So, no, I don’t think it reflects poorly on law enforcement that they haven’t caught the bomber yet. I imagine the fact that the killer is using explosives makes things even harder.
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I know embarrassingly little about this. Could I get a link with detailed facts?
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On March 20 2018 01:37 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 01:34 A3th3r wrote:On March 19 2018 08:00 Doodsmack wrote:
A good example of Trump's contempt for the Constitution, especially the First Amendment.
i don't think so i guess. seems like a sensible way to do things There are multiple highly-qualified lawyers who have already offered to represent for free people who want to sue to break the NDA, because it is ridiculously illegal to force public servants to sign NDAs. The ONLY limitations on a public servant's ability to speak about his public service is national security considerations aka the classification system and certain federal ethics rules. That is it.
Wasn't it impossible for Trump to leak classified information (think that came up when he tweeted something about the location of nuclear submarines), because he is the be-all-end-all when it comes to classifying or declassifying information, so if he tweets it, he has ipso facto declassified it? So couldn't he just classify any and all information that passes through the WH? And that is what those NDAs do?
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On March 20 2018 04:00 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 03:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 20 2018 03:42 Danglars wrote:On March 20 2018 03:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 20 2018 03:23 Danglars wrote:On March 20 2018 02:01 CatharsisUT wrote:
As a Texan who went to school in Austin (see username...) I've followed the story very closely. Two reasons I wouldn't have thought to post it here. First, it seemed to stop after the first three attacks. Second, there wasn't much to talk about in terms of US politics. Initial reports were that they might be racially motivated, but could also have been personal attacks on people in a community. Yesterday's bomb using a trip-wire seems less targeted but who knows. Hard to have much discussion on this board (as opposed to the UT sports board I'm on where there is 6 pages of discussion, as there are posters who live in the neighborhood). There’s just too little known about the story to make it a story. If you’re in Texas, maybe this affects people you know or your family. If it’s the nation at large, there’s not much beyond disgust at the action the the desire that the perpetrator is caught. You're not concerned this could be someone loyal to/inspired by ISIS working their way up to a much larger attack and possibly Trump and the FBI are failing to stop him 4 bombs in? I’m also concerned this could be the work of somebody disgusted with the conclusion of The Bachelor or that SXSW is a global shadow government. Of course I’m concerned that they haven’t caught the guy. No, I don’t think guessing about motivations or national policy is productive or useful in US politics. We still don’t have one for Vegas shooting, after all. Do you think a serial bomber still running loose several weeks and bombs later reflects poorly on the FBI or other agencies charged with protecting us from such things? Smart serial killers are notoriously difficult to track. Often they are only found after years if not decades and many, many victims. So, no, I don’t think it reflects poorly on law enforcement that they haven’t caught the bomber yet. I imagine the fact that the killer is using explosives makes things even harder.
Is that something liberals generally agree with, is it fair to say that if this bomber goes on for months and years killing people possibly hundreds or thousands that it doesn't reflect poorly on Trump or his appointments to the top positions responsible for tracking, and preventing things like this?
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On March 20 2018 04:10 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 01:37 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 20 2018 01:34 A3th3r wrote:i don't think so i guess. seems like a sensible way to do things There are multiple highly-qualified lawyers who have already offered to represent for free people who want to sue to break the NDA, because it is ridiculously illegal to force public servants to sign NDAs. The ONLY limitations on a public servant's ability to speak about his public service is national security considerations aka the classification system and certain federal ethics rules. That is it. Wasn't it impossible for Trump to leak classified information (think that came up when he tweeted something about the location of nuclear submarines), because he is the be-all-end-all when it comes to classifying or declassifying information, so if he tweets it, he has ipso facto declassified it? So couldn't he just classify any and all information that passes through the WH? And that is what those NDAs do?
This is actually a very interesting question that I will answer at length when I have access to something better than a phone.
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On March 20 2018 02:28 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Trump adds a new lawyer to his legal team!
I love how it’s a TV personality. His purpose is probably to continue to cast doubt on the FBI and DOJ generally with the buzzwords McCabe/Strzok + Page texts/deep state/Crooked Hillary.
If Trumps base is sufficiently fired up about the fact free denigration of the Mueller probe, the House would never impeach him.
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On March 20 2018 04:11 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 04:00 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 20 2018 03:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 20 2018 03:42 Danglars wrote:On March 20 2018 03:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 20 2018 03:23 Danglars wrote:On March 20 2018 02:01 CatharsisUT wrote:
As a Texan who went to school in Austin (see username...) I've followed the story very closely. Two reasons I wouldn't have thought to post it here. First, it seemed to stop after the first three attacks. Second, there wasn't much to talk about in terms of US politics. Initial reports were that they might be racially motivated, but could also have been personal attacks on people in a community. Yesterday's bomb using a trip-wire seems less targeted but who knows. Hard to have much discussion on this board (as opposed to the UT sports board I'm on where there is 6 pages of discussion, as there are posters who live in the neighborhood). There’s just too little known about the story to make it a story. If you’re in Texas, maybe this affects people you know or your family. If it’s the nation at large, there’s not much beyond disgust at the action the the desire that the perpetrator is caught. You're not concerned this could be someone loyal to/inspired by ISIS working their way up to a much larger attack and possibly Trump and the FBI are failing to stop him 4 bombs in? I’m also concerned this could be the work of somebody disgusted with the conclusion of The Bachelor or that SXSW is a global shadow government. Of course I’m concerned that they haven’t caught the guy. No, I don’t think guessing about motivations or national policy is productive or useful in US politics. We still don’t have one for Vegas shooting, after all. Do you think a serial bomber still running loose several weeks and bombs later reflects poorly on the FBI or other agencies charged with protecting us from such things? Smart serial killers are notoriously difficult to track. Often they are only found after years if not decades and many, many victims. So, no, I don’t think it reflects poorly on law enforcement that they haven’t caught the bomber yet. I imagine the fact that the killer is using explosives makes things even harder. Is that something liberals generally agree with, is it fair to say that if this bomber goes on for months and years killing people possibly hundreds or thousands that it doesn't reflect poorly on Trump or his appointments to the top positions responsible for tracking, and preventing things like this?
You seem to have become totally obsessed with blaming US law enforcement for everything you could possibly blame on them. Doesn’t matter what the conversation is, if there’s some way to turn it to “this is why the FBI sucks” or “does anyone else think this is why the FBI sucks” or “abolish the police.” It’s eeally quite tiresome at this point.
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Wow, that was the the connection I was expecting.
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On March 20 2018 04:11 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 04:00 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 20 2018 03:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 20 2018 03:42 Danglars wrote:On March 20 2018 03:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 20 2018 03:23 Danglars wrote:On March 20 2018 02:01 CatharsisUT wrote:
As a Texan who went to school in Austin (see username...) I've followed the story very closely. Two reasons I wouldn't have thought to post it here. First, it seemed to stop after the first three attacks. Second, there wasn't much to talk about in terms of US politics. Initial reports were that they might be racially motivated, but could also have been personal attacks on people in a community. Yesterday's bomb using a trip-wire seems less targeted but who knows. Hard to have much discussion on this board (as opposed to the UT sports board I'm on where there is 6 pages of discussion, as there are posters who live in the neighborhood). There’s just too little known about the story to make it a story. If you’re in Texas, maybe this affects people you know or your family. If it’s the nation at large, there’s not much beyond disgust at the action the the desire that the perpetrator is caught. You're not concerned this could be someone loyal to/inspired by ISIS working their way up to a much larger attack and possibly Trump and the FBI are failing to stop him 4 bombs in? I’m also concerned this could be the work of somebody disgusted with the conclusion of The Bachelor or that SXSW is a global shadow government. Of course I’m concerned that they haven’t caught the guy. No, I don’t think guessing about motivations or national policy is productive or useful in US politics. We still don’t have one for Vegas shooting, after all. Do you think a serial bomber still running loose several weeks and bombs later reflects poorly on the FBI or other agencies charged with protecting us from such things? Smart serial killers are notoriously difficult to track. Often they are only found after years if not decades and many, many victims. So, no, I don’t think it reflects poorly on law enforcement that they haven’t caught the bomber yet. I imagine the fact that the killer is using explosives makes things even harder. Is that something liberals generally agree with, is it fair to say that if this bomber goes on for months and years killing people possibly hundreds or thousands that it doesn't reflect poorly on Trump or his appointments to the top positions responsible for tracking, and preventing things like this?
i feel like you’re reaching a little too far outside the realm of possibilities here but i’m comfortable saying it’s hard to blame the president for a murder spree.
i mean if anyone’s killed a thousand people over the course of hundreds of attacks i’d expect (this) president to start mobilizing the military and literally declaring war on Chicago.
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On March 20 2018 04:18 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 04:11 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 20 2018 04:00 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 20 2018 03:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 20 2018 03:42 Danglars wrote:On March 20 2018 03:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 20 2018 03:23 Danglars wrote:On March 20 2018 02:01 CatharsisUT wrote:
As a Texan who went to school in Austin (see username...) I've followed the story very closely. Two reasons I wouldn't have thought to post it here. First, it seemed to stop after the first three attacks. Second, there wasn't much to talk about in terms of US politics. Initial reports were that they might be racially motivated, but could also have been personal attacks on people in a community. Yesterday's bomb using a trip-wire seems less targeted but who knows. Hard to have much discussion on this board (as opposed to the UT sports board I'm on where there is 6 pages of discussion, as there are posters who live in the neighborhood). There’s just too little known about the story to make it a story. If you’re in Texas, maybe this affects people you know or your family. If it’s the nation at large, there’s not much beyond disgust at the action the the desire that the perpetrator is caught. You're not concerned this could be someone loyal to/inspired by ISIS working their way up to a much larger attack and possibly Trump and the FBI are failing to stop him 4 bombs in? I’m also concerned this could be the work of somebody disgusted with the conclusion of The Bachelor or that SXSW is a global shadow government. Of course I’m concerned that they haven’t caught the guy. No, I don’t think guessing about motivations or national policy is productive or useful in US politics. We still don’t have one for Vegas shooting, after all. Do you think a serial bomber still running loose several weeks and bombs later reflects poorly on the FBI or other agencies charged with protecting us from such things? Smart serial killers are notoriously difficult to track. Often they are only found after years if not decades and many, many victims. So, no, I don’t think it reflects poorly on law enforcement that they haven’t caught the bomber yet. I imagine the fact that the killer is using explosives makes things even harder. Is that something liberals generally agree with, is it fair to say that if this bomber goes on for months and years killing people possibly hundreds or thousands that it doesn't reflect poorly on Trump or his appointments to the top positions responsible for tracking, and preventing things like this? You seem to have become totally obsessed with blaming US law enforcement for everything you could possibly blame on them. Doesn’t matter what the conversation is, if there’s some way to turn it to “this is why the FBI sucks” or “does anyone else think this is why the FBI sucks” or “abolish the police.” It’s eeally quite tiresome at this point.
Fair enough, let's keep specifically and only about Trump. Would a serial bomber running free around the country killing people for months or years reflect poorly on his leadership or do liberals think that would not be indicative of a poor performance by Trump?
On March 20 2018 04:21 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 04:11 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 20 2018 04:00 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 20 2018 03:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 20 2018 03:42 Danglars wrote:On March 20 2018 03:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 20 2018 03:23 Danglars wrote:On March 20 2018 02:01 CatharsisUT wrote:
As a Texan who went to school in Austin (see username...) I've followed the story very closely. Two reasons I wouldn't have thought to post it here. First, it seemed to stop after the first three attacks. Second, there wasn't much to talk about in terms of US politics. Initial reports were that they might be racially motivated, but could also have been personal attacks on people in a community. Yesterday's bomb using a trip-wire seems less targeted but who knows. Hard to have much discussion on this board (as opposed to the UT sports board I'm on where there is 6 pages of discussion, as there are posters who live in the neighborhood). There’s just too little known about the story to make it a story. If you’re in Texas, maybe this affects people you know or your family. If it’s the nation at large, there’s not much beyond disgust at the action the the desire that the perpetrator is caught. You're not concerned this could be someone loyal to/inspired by ISIS working their way up to a much larger attack and possibly Trump and the FBI are failing to stop him 4 bombs in? I’m also concerned this could be the work of somebody disgusted with the conclusion of The Bachelor or that SXSW is a global shadow government. Of course I’m concerned that they haven’t caught the guy. No, I don’t think guessing about motivations or national policy is productive or useful in US politics. We still don’t have one for Vegas shooting, after all. Do you think a serial bomber still running loose several weeks and bombs later reflects poorly on the FBI or other agencies charged with protecting us from such things? Smart serial killers are notoriously difficult to track. Often they are only found after years if not decades and many, many victims. So, no, I don’t think it reflects poorly on law enforcement that they haven’t caught the bomber yet. I imagine the fact that the killer is using explosives makes things even harder. Is that something liberals generally agree with, is it fair to say that if this bomber goes on for months and years killing people possibly hundreds or thousands that it doesn't reflect poorly on Trump or his appointments to the top positions responsible for tracking, and preventing things like this? i feel like you’re reaching a little too far outside the realm of possibilities here but i’m comfortable saying it’s hard to blame the president for a murder spree. i mean if anyone’s killed a thousand people i’d expect (this) president to start mobilizing the military and literally declaring war on Chicago.
The idea this could go on for months or years seems pretty far fetched to me too, but LotA took the position that it's not uncommon for someone like this to go years without getting caught so I was just seeing if liberals thought Trump would bear any responsibility. Like if we find out this guy is a white nationalist bent on starting an ethnostate, does the longer it go get worse than if it was an unknown motive?
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On March 20 2018 02:01 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 02:00 TheTenthDoc wrote:
At least from a societal standpoint it's probably better not to hear about things like this. It's not like there's anything an individual can do to deal with it, especially if the bomber is escalating and changing techniques as Sunday's bombings indicate, and media attention might only make him escalate faster.
Not that modern media are generally preoccupied with what's best for society, but still. I can concede that the Boston Bombing was a more significant event initially, but there was a pretty massive and illegal (depending how far you let them go in the name of national security) manhunt that followed. Is there any reason to think this person isn't capable of something comparable to whatever those brothers were after Boston? Or that they don't already have it planed? Isn't every major event in Texas a potential target every day for something worse than Boston? Should they be looking for them like they looked for the Boston Bombers, disregarding residents 4th amendment rights (or others) in favor of national security or should they continue to do what they've done for the first 2 weeks, whatever that has been?
I mean, with the Boston bombing they actually had images of the suspects hence the ability to conduct the massive manhunt and actually infringe on anyone's rights in the first place. Here they (as far as we know) have no images, no real idea of motive, and absolutely nothing to go on.
I mean, they only locked down Watertown after the brothers were already traced to there. They don't have anything close to that now. If you're talking releasing the images of the backpack'd men, they don't even have that material from what limited press we've heard!
If we find out that they were sitting on UPS cameras recording the men depositing the packages or tangible leads and are neglecting follow-up it would be one thing, but I haven't heard any evidence of that...
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I worked in Watertown during that lockdown. The only reason they found those two was before some officer stubbles across them one night and got killed. And they locked down all of Watertown and the surrounding area.
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On March 20 2018 04:22 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 04:18 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 20 2018 04:11 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 20 2018 04:00 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On March 20 2018 03:49 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 20 2018 03:42 Danglars wrote:On March 20 2018 03:25 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 20 2018 03:23 Danglars wrote:On March 20 2018 02:01 CatharsisUT wrote:
As a Texan who went to school in Austin (see username...) I've followed the story very closely. Two reasons I wouldn't have thought to post it here. First, it seemed to stop after the first three attacks. Second, there wasn't much to talk about in terms of US politics. Initial reports were that they might be racially motivated, but could also have been personal attacks on people in a community. Yesterday's bomb using a trip-wire seems less targeted but who knows. Hard to have much discussion on this board (as opposed to the UT sports board I'm on where there is 6 pages of discussion, as there are posters who live in the neighborhood). There’s just too little known about the story to make it a story. If you’re in Texas, maybe this affects people you know or your family. If it’s the nation at large, there’s not much beyond disgust at the action the the desire that the perpetrator is caught. You're not concerned this could be someone loyal to/inspired by ISIS working their way up to a much larger attack and possibly Trump and the FBI are failing to stop him 4 bombs in? I’m also concerned this could be the work of somebody disgusted with the conclusion of The Bachelor or that SXSW is a global shadow government. Of course I’m concerned that they haven’t caught the guy. No, I don’t think guessing about motivations or national policy is productive or useful in US politics. We still don’t have one for Vegas shooting, after all. Do you think a serial bomber still running loose several weeks and bombs later reflects poorly on the FBI or other agencies charged with protecting us from such things? Smart serial killers are notoriously difficult to track. Often they are only found after years if not decades and many, many victims. So, no, I don’t think it reflects poorly on law enforcement that they haven’t caught the bomber yet. I imagine the fact that the killer is using explosives makes things even harder. Is that something liberals generally agree with, is it fair to say that if this bomber goes on for months and years killing people possibly hundreds or thousands that it doesn't reflect poorly on Trump or his appointments to the top positions responsible for tracking, and preventing things like this? You seem to have become totally obsessed with blaming US law enforcement for everything you could possibly blame on them. Doesn’t matter what the conversation is, if there’s some way to turn it to “this is why the FBI sucks” or “does anyone else think this is why the FBI sucks” or “abolish the police.” It’s eeally quite tiresome at this point. Fair enough, let's keep specifically and only about Trump. Would a serial bomber running free around the country killing people for months or years reflect poorly on his leadership or do liberals think that would not be indicative of a poor performance by Trump?
Depends. If it's because the FBI is horribly understaffed and he is either not hiring people, or can't hire people because nobody wants him as their shitty boss, then you can blame it on Trump. If it's because the serial killer is really fucking smart and despite having all the resources they (think they) need, they just can't catch him, then you can't blame it on Trump.
And you probably can't blame it on FBI incompetence either. Cases simply go unsolved. Or get "solved" but there is never enough actual evidence to hold up in court. We do not live in a Tom Clancy novel, where everything gets tidied up neatly by the end of the book.
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On March 20 2018 04:29 Plansix wrote:
I worked in Watertown during that lockdown. The only reason they found those two was before some officer stubbles across them one night and got killed. And they locked down all of Watertown and the surrounding area.
MIT campus police officer, no less. And it probably wouldn't have mattered if their hostage hadn't escaped and left his phone behind in the car they stole from him.
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because clearly ad campaigns are the answer to the opioid crises. So just say no to your doctor prescribing you painkillers when your in massive amounts of pain?
short article so I'll just quote the whole thing.
(CNN)President Donald Trump announced Monday that his administration will push a "large-scale" ad campaign aimed at combating the opioid epidemic.
The call harkens back to the "Just Say No" campaign -- and during his speech in New Hampshire, Trump said such commercials have made an impact before.
"The best way to beat the drug crisis is to keep people from getting hooked in the first place," Trump said. "This has been something I have been strongly in favor of -- spending a lot of money on great commercials showing how bad it is."
Trump added: "So that kids seeing those commercials during the right shows on television or wherever, the internet, when they see these commercials they, 'I don't want any part of it.' That is the least expensive thing we can do. Where you scare them from ending up like the people in the commercials and we will make them very, very bad commercials. We will make them pretty unsavory situations and you have seen it before and it is had an impact on smoking and cigarettes."
He later described the proposal as a "large-scale rollout of commercials."
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