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On March 04 2018 08:27 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2018 08:06 WolfintheSheep wrote:On March 04 2018 07:42 Sermokala wrote:On March 04 2018 07:38 Toadesstern wrote:On March 04 2018 07:29 Sermokala wrote: Well he needs to continue his plan of paying off the national debt by lowering the nations trade imbalance with other countries. Its the only thing that makes sense. how does that even work? It's not like the US government is importing goods with federal money from EU/Asia/Canada etc. Or I guess, there's probably a small subset of government projects that actually do that to some degree but for the most part trade imbalance is private companies buying from other companies, right?... so how does that money those companies spend or don't spend on foreign import go into dealing with national debt? Trump once explained his plan to lower the national debt by closeing the trade deficit and he cited china as an example with their 288 billion a year that can be paid against the debt. And what are the taxes on that which would actually go to the government? No that was just the end of the idea. He explained he could pay the national debt off in a few years like that. It's following the internal logic of a fundamentally illogical plan. It only answers why Trump is doing it and why he's picking these means to rationalize it, not why it's wrong.
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guys, I'm pretty sure that's Sermokala's way of making fun of Trump. He's not actually trying to explain it
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I was just trying to figure out how it made sense, but I guess that's Trump-consistency sense as opposed to actual sense.
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Trump simply can't tell the difference between trade deficits and public debt/deficits. There really isn't any logic there. Also, are these steel tariffs actually going to come into place or is that one of those twitter policies that never actually get implemented?
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On March 04 2018 08:40 WolfintheSheep wrote: I was just trying to figure out how it made sense, but I guess that's Trump-consistency sense as opposed to actual sense. The trade deficit is a balance sheet to Trump. Balance trade, balance the budget.
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Does the fact that the cops involved in this conspiracy to cover a crime (and frame an innocent person) still have jobs indicate to you this is a incredibly pervasive problem, not a few bad apples?
EDIT: Also serves as a great illustration that driving is a privilege that the government can take away without any just cause.
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I read the full story hoping that at least there would be some kind of silver lining like a minor wrist slap for the officers involved, which would obviously be insufficient but better than nothing. But not even that... There's a chance something like that happened and it never became public but come on, you want to tell people that you put those officers on leave for a while or something like that
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On March 04 2018 08:57 Toadesstern wrote: I read the full story hoping that at least there would be some kind of silver lining like a minor wrist slap for the officers involved, which would obviously be insufficient but better than nothing. But not even that... There's a chance something like that happened and it never became public but come on, you want to tell people that you put those officers on leave for a while or something like that
Not if the message you want to send is that we protect our own over the civilian population. In fact, we'll frame innocent civilians and send them to jail to cover for criminal cops. Even if they cost us millions in legal fees/settlements to avoid admitting we're a criminal gang.
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If Trump wanted to actually do something about the trade deficit he woudln't have supported the legislation that increases it (just kidding, he would cuz he's an idiot and doesn't realize that's what he did, i'm just mocking him for it)
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On March 04 2018 08:51 GreenHorizons wrote:Does the fact that the cops involved in this conspiracy to cover a crime (and frame an innocent person) still have jobs indicate to you this is a incredibly pervasive problem, not a few bad apples? EDIT: Also serves as a great illustration that driving is a privilege that the government can take away without any just cause. An incredibly pervasive problem of juries and police management
We always differed about whether or not it's more about police corruption or additionally police targeting of blacks.
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On March 04 2018 09:02 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2018 08:51 GreenHorizons wrote:Does the fact that the cops involved in this conspiracy to cover a crime (and frame an innocent person) still have jobs indicate to you this is a incredibly pervasive problem, not a few bad apples? EDIT: Also serves as a great illustration that driving is a privilege that the government can take away without any just cause. An incredibly pervasive problem of juries and police management We always differed about whether or not it's more about police corruption or additionally police targeting of blacks.
There's no argument, one look at NYC's stop and frisk data shows anyone with eyes that they are disproportionately and illegally targeting black people.
I'm pretty sure if we go back we don't find that you endorse the idea that corruption (this has nothing to do with a jury) was a pervasive and corrosive problem in PD's across the country. Pretty sure you were more of a:
"Don't let the bad apples stain the credibility of police around the country."
kinda guy.
But as a group that highly values justice and law I expect a surge of folks on the right to speak up about this and call for punishment and reform. /s
Nice of leadership not to mention it also fell apart because they made a deal without the approval of their members.
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On March 04 2018 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2018 09:02 Danglars wrote:On March 04 2018 08:51 GreenHorizons wrote:Does the fact that the cops involved in this conspiracy to cover a crime (and frame an innocent person) still have jobs indicate to you this is a incredibly pervasive problem, not a few bad apples? EDIT: Also serves as a great illustration that driving is a privilege that the government can take away without any just cause. An incredibly pervasive problem of juries and police management We always differed about whether or not it's more about police corruption or additionally police targeting of blacks. There's no argument, one look at NYC's stop and frisk data shows anyone with eyes that they are disproportionately and illegally targeting black people. I'm pretty sure if we go back we don't find that you endorse the idea that corruption (this has nothing to do with a jury) was a pervasive and corrosive problem in PD's across the country. Pretty sure you were more of a: "Don't let the bad apples stain the credibility of police around the country." kinda guy. But as a group that highly values justice and law I expect a surge of folks on the right to speak up about this and call for punishment and reform. /s I'm pretty sure you're letting your black activism act as a standin for ignoring the points of agreement you might have with others in the forum. And if this forum proves anything, it's that ignorance promotes misunderstanding. In my neck of the woods, that's known as linking people not "down for the struggle" to all sorts of evils-by-proxy.
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On March 04 2018 09:16 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2018 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 04 2018 09:02 Danglars wrote:On March 04 2018 08:51 GreenHorizons wrote:Does the fact that the cops involved in this conspiracy to cover a crime (and frame an innocent person) still have jobs indicate to you this is a incredibly pervasive problem, not a few bad apples? EDIT: Also serves as a great illustration that driving is a privilege that the government can take away without any just cause. An incredibly pervasive problem of juries and police management We always differed about whether or not it's more about police corruption or additionally police targeting of blacks. There's no argument, one look at NYC's stop and frisk data shows anyone with eyes that they are disproportionately and illegally targeting black people. I'm pretty sure if we go back we don't find that you endorse the idea that corruption (this has nothing to do with a jury) was a pervasive and corrosive problem in PD's across the country. Pretty sure you were more of a: "Don't let the bad apples stain the credibility of police around the country." kinda guy. But as a group that highly values justice and law I expect a surge of folks on the right to speak up about this and call for punishment and reform. /s I'm pretty sure you're letting your black activism act as a standin for ignoring the points of agreement you might have with others in the forum. And if this forum proves anything, it's that ignorance promotes misunderstanding. In my neck of the woods, that's known as linking people not "down for the struggle" to all sorts of evils-by-proxy.
Was that supposed to be a response to what I said? I know you quoted it, but that's a non sequitur.
If you're looking for praise for having the slightest bit of intellectual consistency (only to be washed away with a comment like this) you're barking up the wrong tree.
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Nice try. Your members didn't accept the deal your union negotiated with the government, and now you're trying to flip it around and say it's the government's fall for reneging on the plan the union members would not stop the strike to accept.
It's the teacher's demands against the government, and this union figurehead is trying to act like she wasn't completely sidelined in this process lol
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On March 04 2018 09:25 Danglars wrote:Nice try. Your members didn't accept the deal your union negotiated with the government, and now you're trying to flip it around and say it's the government's fall for reneging on the plan the union members would not stop the strike to accept. It's the teacher's demands against the government, and this union figurehead is trying to act like she wasn't completely sidelined in this process lol
Well they aren't wrong that if their members had accepted it (what usually happens), they wouldn't have got it anyway because of legislators. Sure looked like a trap to get them back in school without any concessions and they both got caught and are trying to diffuse blame.
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I was not aware that {CC}StealthBlue is a member of the West Virginia teachers' union, such that he is a representative of that side in the dispute and its members. If not, what exactly are the sides here?
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On March 04 2018 09:18 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2018 09:16 Danglars wrote:On March 04 2018 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 04 2018 09:02 Danglars wrote:On March 04 2018 08:51 GreenHorizons wrote:Does the fact that the cops involved in this conspiracy to cover a crime (and frame an innocent person) still have jobs indicate to you this is a incredibly pervasive problem, not a few bad apples? EDIT: Also serves as a great illustration that driving is a privilege that the government can take away without any just cause. An incredibly pervasive problem of juries and police management We always differed about whether or not it's more about police corruption or additionally police targeting of blacks. There's no argument, one look at NYC's stop and frisk data shows anyone with eyes that they are disproportionately and illegally targeting black people. I'm pretty sure if we go back we don't find that you endorse the idea that corruption (this has nothing to do with a jury) was a pervasive and corrosive problem in PD's across the country. Pretty sure you were more of a: "Don't let the bad apples stain the credibility of police around the country." kinda guy. But as a group that highly values justice and law I expect a surge of folks on the right to speak up about this and call for punishment and reform. /s I'm pretty sure you're letting your black activism act as a standin for ignoring the points of agreement you might have with others in the forum. And if this forum proves anything, it's that ignorance promotes misunderstanding. In my neck of the woods, that's known as linking people not "down for the struggle" to all sorts of evils-by-proxy. Was that supposed to be a response to what I said? I know you quoted it, but that's a non sequitur. If you're looking for praise for having the slightest bit of intellectual consistency (only to be washed away with a comment like this) you're barking up the wrong tree. I mean, you responded exactly with what I expected: the conflict I already said existed between us is the real disagreement beyond police reform. So, truth proven.
I think the immense racialization of the issue is one barrier to police reform generally.
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On March 04 2018 09:28 micronesia wrote: I was not aware that {CC}StealthBlue is a member of the West Virginia teachers' union, such that he is a representative of that side in the dispute and its members. If not, what exactly are the sides here? The twitter quote was from the WV leader, and spoke in the first person plural (our agreement). My response is to her, knowing that StealthBlue has made no claim to be a teacher or union leader in WV.
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