EPTI honestly can't recall a story with a different scenario. I'm sure if happens don't get me wrong, but it seems like Israel is the perpetual bully in this story.
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
I honestly can't recall a story with a different scenario. I'm sure if happens don't get me wrong, but it seems like Israel is the perpetual bully in this story. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10598 Posts
On November 15 2012 23:15 Kurr wrote: Every time I read a story about this conflict, Israel is the one bombing a place while calling themselves the victim. I honestly can't recall a story with a different scenario. I'm sure if happens don't get me wrong, but it seems like Israel is the perpetual bully in this story. That’s probably cause of the Tech-Diffrence. Hamas/Palestinians shoot Rockets with bad accuracy. So they might kill someone "random" here and there out of "luck" but in general really hit "sensible" targets. Israel on the other hand hits the targets it wants to. Btw: I can't for the live of me figure out a a future in which Israel can/will keep existing along the lines it does now in 100 years. Sooner or later shit will hit the fan hard... | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On November 15 2012 23:15 Kurr wrote: Every time I read a story about this conflict, Israel is the one bombing a place while calling themselves the victim. I honestly can't recall a story with a different scenario. I'm sure if happens don't get me wrong, but it seems like Israel is the perpetual bully in this story. It's just a clusterfuck of people doing bad things to each other. If people would just stop doing bad things the Middle East would be good. | ||
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mindjames
Israel320 Posts
On November 15 2012 23:15 Kurr wrote: Every time I read a story about this conflict, Israel is the one bombing a place while calling themselves the victim. I honestly can't recall a story with a different scenario. I'm sure if happens don't get me wrong, but it seems like Israel is the perpetual bully in this story. The media will probably never tell you about the ongoing rocket attacks from Gaza onto Sderot (Israel), because it's not an actual "story" anymore - it's been going on for the past 7 years (ironically, it started right as Israel withdrew all military forces from Gaza). But when Israel strikes back it becomes a story worth publishing, since a) It doesn't happen as often, and b) It usually has greater consequences than the random, everyday rockets from Gaza. You can call it media bias, but I think it's really just more of a story when Israel responds, than citing how many rockets fell in Sderot today. | ||
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Op
73 Posts
On November 15 2012 23:15 Kurr wrote: Every time I read a story about this conflict, Israel is the one bombing a place while calling themselves the victim. I honestly can't recall a story with a different scenario. I'm sure if happens don't get me wrong, but it seems like Israel is the perpetual bully in this story. Looks like Hamas is launching rockets from time to time from the Gaza-strip (no victims, but of course not a nice living situation for the people living close to the border), and when convenient Israel retaliates (still reading up on the whole story, so evidence to the contrary is welcome..) like now with the upcoming UN general assembly vote. All different parties (Hamas, PLO, Israel) act when it is the most politically convenient for them, and undermine each others efforts (in a good or bad way)... | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9344 Posts
On November 15 2012 23:15 Kurr wrote: Every time I read a story about this conflict, Israel is the one bombing a place while calling themselves the victim. I honestly can't recall a story with a different scenario. I'm sure if happens don't get me wrong, but it seems like Israel is the perpetual bully in this story. You should try and find and watch this documentary: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004TX2W/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/ It is a very fair look at the conflict, and the only conclusion i was able to come up with was the following: Both sides have an ingrained hatred of each other so deep that as soon as there is an opportunity, an atrocity will be committed. There has been so much bloodshed caused by both sides that there is always some excuse to continue the violence. My view is this: Something needs to be done NOW. Continuing to allow this conflict to go on is just not humane. The victims are civilians, on both sides. But even those civilians (except the children) WANT the conflict to continue until their side has won. I would say that the Palestinians should just give up (i do understand this would mean a lot of people being made homeless, but those families will probably be made homeless anyway). They should do this for humanitarian reasons. They are not going to win this conflict unless something miraculous and unlikely happens. Clearly this won't happen, but its the only solution i can see. The rockets launched by Hamas very rarely even get through to Israel, most of them are intercepted. Their war is a waste of resources and time. Israel, however, through its constant bullying and the way it does not shy away from the most heinous war crimes, is making real ground in the war and will eventually win unless something very dramatic happens (which would be very harmful to the worldwide political situation). | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
It's moving toward war. I don't really care about politics a the moment. I'm just sad with every photo I see. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On November 15 2012 10:36 Cush wrote: Israel's always getting shit for defending themselves. I don't get it. I agree. Of course, civilians lose and both sides and that's the biggest tragedy. But Palestinians keep poking a bear, and Israel has been saintly in their response (hear me out on this). Palestinian attacks have been *intentionally* on Isreali civilian targets - markets, churches, etc. They're intentionally killing civilians and children. Israel, on the other hand, has routinely taken the high road and attacked targets of military significance. Can you imagine the bloodshed if Israel started targeting mosques and civilian centers for fun? It would be a heartbreaking amount of bloodshed. I've tried not to take sides in this matter, since the Palestinians did get royally screwed on land, but you simply cannot target civilians and get any sort of sympathy from the world. My only hope for the region is that the bloodshed stops. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On November 15 2012 23:15 Kurr wrote: Every time I read a story about this conflict, Israel is the one bombing a place while calling themselves the victim. I honestly can't recall a story with a different scenario. I'm sure if happens don't get me wrong, but it seems like Israel is the perpetual bully in this story. Have you not read the myriad suicide bombing reports? | ||
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Op
73 Posts
On November 15 2012 23:36 Jockmcplop wrote: You should try and find and watch this documentary: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004TX2W/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/ It is a very fair look at the conflict, and the only conclusion i was able to come up with was the following: Both sides have an ingrained hatred of each other so deep that as soon as there is an opportunity, an atrocity will be committed. There has been so much bloodshed caused by both sides that there is always some excuse to continue the violence. My view is this: Something needs to be done NOW. Continuing to allow this conflict to go on is just not humane. The victims are civilians, on both sides. But even those civilians (except the children) WANT the conflict to continue until their side has won. I would say that the Palestinians should just give up (i do understand this would mean a lot of people being made homeless, but those families will probably be made homeless anyway). They should do this for humanitarian reasons. They are not going to win this conflict unless something miraculous and unlikely happens. Clearly this won't happen, but its the only solution i can see. The rockets launched by Hamas very rarely even get through to Israel, most of them are intercepted. Their war is a waste of resources and time. Israel, however, through its constant bullying and the way it does not shy away from the most heinous war crimes, is making real ground in the war and will eventually win unless something very dramatic happens (which would be very harmful to the worldwide political situation). Thanks, will have a look at it. What I have seen so far is the same, and not sure whether the leaders on either side have enough incentive to lead their people to a solution. History is what it is and both sides can make claims based on their history. At the current moment Israel is by far more powerful, so they create a ground situation which is to their advantage by colonizing parts of the west-bank (against UN resolutions, and against the will of a lot of israeli's), but which might hurt in the long time (palestinian population keeps growing fast, becoming a major headache in a democracy..). What would it mean for Palestinians to give up ? What do they give up ? What will be their situation ? Continue the current status-quo ? The only way to solve this would seem an independent outside power help broker/force a solution to which both parties have to adhere. Unfortunately the most likely outside power to play a major role is the US, which has shown itself very biased towards one of the parties.... Maybe an un-reelectable Obama could do something, but this is probably just wishful thinking... | ||
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
On November 15 2012 23:46 Crownlol wrote: Have you not read the myriad suicide bombing reports? I know it's a 2-way conflict, I'm just saying that's the impression I get from the reports/stories. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On November 15 2012 23:47 Op wrote: The only way to solve this would seem an independent outside power help broker/force a solution to which both parties have to adhere. Unfortunately the most likely outside power to play a major role is the US, which has shown itself very biased towards one of the parties.... Maybe an un-reelectable Obama could do something, but this is probably just wishful thinking... I nominate Iran | ||
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Op
73 Posts
Agree they seem more impartial ;-) Maybe the south-africans might be a good candidate, but they have no power to enforce any solution.. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On November 15 2012 23:46 Crownlol wrote: Have you not read the myriad suicide bombing reports? The myriad of suicide bombings? Not a single palestinian suicide bombing has taken place since 2008. All they do is fire highly inaccurate rockets, causing less civilian casualties a year then 1 single israeli airstrike, which then gets muffled away on the basis of 'collateral damage'. | ||
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MMOwnageSports
United Kingdom300 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7453 Posts
The facts and the subjective experiences are so mired that I have finally settled on this; racism and drastic social inequalities cannot exist in relative peace any longer. The arms markers have covered the world in weapons, the internet gave everybody the capability to become organized and militant, and build DIY weapons, so, I do not believe there can ever be peace in the middle east. A house divided cannot stand. I feel terrible for the poor people who have first world weapons reigning down upon them, I hope this spike in military operations peters out quickly. Also, I feel sorry for the poor Israelis that are caught up in a constant state of war and fear. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On November 15 2012 22:29 sgfightmaster wrote: in concentration camps: babies were roasted in ovens people were herded into gas chambers and killed women were made to strip naked and paraded before nazi soldiers etc etc etc does this stuff happen in the gaza strip? + Show Spoiler + i'm not exactly clear what happened in the past. if the UN unilaterally partitioned land from what was palestinian in the past then i suppose you could argue it was unfair. like a previous poster mentioned, though, basing claims to land simply on "they were mine in the past" is not indisputable. i dont quite see how an invasion and more "might is right" is very different from all out war. the scale would not approach millions dead presumably, but the no-holds-barred approach is something that i would not like to see taking place, for one because we are supposed to be more enlightened these days. i would think that a solution amenable to all in the short term is - terrorists stop firing rockets at israelis so israelis have no reason to fire back, and israel take steps to give palestinians a fair deal in terms of land. this completely sidesteps a violent solution. i'm not sure what you're trying to say with your last statement - you can't blame them for everything, but they are the problem, hence... you can blame them for everything? That's only partially correct. There were multiple types of concentration camps which also changed their type during the war. The massive killings also started during the later stages of the war. i.e. Aktion 14f13 started in 1941. Also the US also had concentration camps for the Japanese during WW2, but where none of those horrible murders happened. There are certain points which you can argue that Gaza is indeed like a concentration camp. | ||
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Grettin
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
On November 15 2012 23:15 Kurr wrote: Every time I read a story about this conflict, Israel is the one bombing a place while calling themselves the victim. I honestly can't recall a story with a different scenario. I'm sure if happens don't get me wrong, but it seems like Israel is the perpetual bully in this story. Really? Because every time that I read about this shit it always starts with Hamas shooting rockets into Israel and then a few days later they get hit by an airstrike.. I wonder why... What are they expecting to happen... | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On November 15 2012 23:58 TitaniumDesigns wrote: Israel talk about trying to get the sympathy vote, the fact that they declared war via Twitter is retarded, they do realize they are a "government" right? Not some teen age girl hold grudges against people and writes all about it online :L They've also just released a small series of YouTube videos. I posted one earlier, here's another. And who could argue with that? The tone actually reminds me of the Starship Troopers propaganda videos. Not being funny, not taking sides, I just find it creepy that their government is using social media like this. | ||
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