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On November 11 2012 17:29 Fr0d0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 17:25 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:22 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:10 rd wrote:On November 11 2012 16:17 Fr0d0 wrote:
I've got a good theory about current state of the ladder too.
Zerg were disgustingly underpowered for 2 years.
Terran took about 20 major nerfs to be balanced and toss took about 10.
So zergs worked their ass off to get any chance to win single game.
While terran/toss were collecting free wins against zerg in 10 minutes of play by executing blind 1/2 bases all-ins/pushes composed of 1-2 units.
And now instead of l2p on even footing most terrans/tosses are just whining big time.
Lol, zerg wasn't underpowered at all, Terran was just strong. The map pool being terrible was why Zerg struggled a little bit. Their winrates quickly asymptoted at 45-55 once GSL maps hit the scene, and despite all this Zerg's have had competitive performances since launch. And, "underpowered" for two years? Maybe WEAK for the first 5-6 months. What's really disgusting is the bias thats pervasive in this post. Well, now zerg is just strong. Terran struggle a little bit and still is dominating Code S. There were 14 terrans in Ro32. I really see no any reason to this bitching storm on forums. 8 zergs in the ro16 I don't see how terran is "dominating" anything. May be it is so, because better players chose zerg.
That is exactly what they said when all the Terrans were dominating in the GSL summer 2011
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On November 11 2012 17:46 dddoushio wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 17:44 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:37 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:29 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:25 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:22 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:10 rd wrote:On November 11 2012 16:17 Fr0d0 wrote:
I've got a good theory about current state of the ladder too.
Zerg were disgustingly underpowered for 2 years.
Terran took about 20 major nerfs to be balanced and toss took about 10.
So zergs worked their ass off to get any chance to win single game.
While terran/toss were collecting free wins against zerg in 10 minutes of play by executing blind 1/2 bases all-ins/pushes composed of 1-2 units.
And now instead of l2p on even footing most terrans/tosses are just whining big time.
Lol, zerg wasn't underpowered at all, Terran was just strong. The map pool being terrible was why Zerg struggled a little bit. Their winrates quickly asymptoted at 45-55 once GSL maps hit the scene, and despite all this Zerg's have had competitive performances since launch. And, "underpowered" for two years? Maybe WEAK for the first 5-6 months. What's really disgusting is the bias thats pervasive in this post. Well, now zerg is just strong. Terran struggle a little bit and still is dominating Code S. There were 14 terrans in Ro32. I really see no any reason to this bitching storm on forums. 8 zergs in the ro16 I don't see how terran is "dominating" anything. May be it is so, because better players chose zerg. How was terran imbalanced then? I have no full information, unfortunately. I can only guess and make theories. But Blizzard made 20 nerfs to terrans based on some internal statistics and extensive testing I believe. No no no, clearly terran and protoss just had the better players. Blizzard's nerfs were unnecessary and unjustified, and now zerg needs to be nerfed too so there is an even playing ground.
Dustin Browder and David Kim disagreed with you explicitly.
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On November 11 2012 17:48 Fr0d0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 17:46 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:44 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:37 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:29 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:25 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:22 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:10 rd wrote:On November 11 2012 16:17 Fr0d0 wrote:
I've got a good theory about current state of the ladder too.
Zerg were disgustingly underpowered for 2 years.
Terran took about 20 major nerfs to be balanced and toss took about 10.
So zergs worked their ass off to get any chance to win single game.
While terran/toss were collecting free wins against zerg in 10 minutes of play by executing blind 1/2 bases all-ins/pushes composed of 1-2 units.
And now instead of l2p on even footing most terrans/tosses are just whining big time.
Lol, zerg wasn't underpowered at all, Terran was just strong. The map pool being terrible was why Zerg struggled a little bit. Their winrates quickly asymptoted at 45-55 once GSL maps hit the scene, and despite all this Zerg's have had competitive performances since launch. And, "underpowered" for two years? Maybe WEAK for the first 5-6 months. What's really disgusting is the bias thats pervasive in this post. Well, now zerg is just strong. Terran struggle a little bit and still is dominating Code S. There were 14 terrans in Ro32. I really see no any reason to this bitching storm on forums. 8 zergs in the ro16 I don't see how terran is "dominating" anything. May be it is so, because better players chose zerg. How was terran imbalanced then? I have no full information, unfortunately. I can only guess and make theories. But Blizzard made 20 nerfs to terrans based on some internal statistics and extensive testing I believe. No no no, clearly terran and protoss just had the better players. Blizzard's nerfs were unnecessary and unjustified, and now zerg needs to be nerfed too so there is an even playing ground. Dustin Browder and David Kim disagreed with you explicitly.
Dude are you just trolling? Seriously, why would you suggest zergs are now just dominating because the player's are better, but denouncing this same idiotic theory when someone suggests it could have been the case when Terrans and Protoss were dominating.
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On November 11 2012 17:48 Fr0d0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 17:46 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:44 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:37 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:29 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:25 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:22 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:10 rd wrote:On November 11 2012 16:17 Fr0d0 wrote:
I've got a good theory about current state of the ladder too.
Zerg were disgustingly underpowered for 2 years.
Terran took about 20 major nerfs to be balanced and toss took about 10.
So zergs worked their ass off to get any chance to win single game.
While terran/toss were collecting free wins against zerg in 10 minutes of play by executing blind 1/2 bases all-ins/pushes composed of 1-2 units.
And now instead of l2p on even footing most terrans/tosses are just whining big time.
Lol, zerg wasn't underpowered at all, Terran was just strong. The map pool being terrible was why Zerg struggled a little bit. Their winrates quickly asymptoted at 45-55 once GSL maps hit the scene, and despite all this Zerg's have had competitive performances since launch. And, "underpowered" for two years? Maybe WEAK for the first 5-6 months. What's really disgusting is the bias thats pervasive in this post. Well, now zerg is just strong. Terran struggle a little bit and still is dominating Code S. There were 14 terrans in Ro32. I really see no any reason to this bitching storm on forums. 8 zergs in the ro16 I don't see how terran is "dominating" anything. May be it is so, because better players chose zerg. How was terran imbalanced then? I have no full information, unfortunately. I can only guess and make theories. But Blizzard made 20 nerfs to terrans based on some internal statistics and extensive testing I believe. No no no, clearly terran and protoss just had the better players. Blizzard's nerfs were unnecessary and unjustified, and now zerg needs to be nerfed too so there is an even playing ground. Dustin Browder and David Kim disagreed with you explicitly.
They're wrong and I'm right, obviously.
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On November 11 2012 17:29 Fr0d0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 17:25 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:22 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:10 rd wrote:On November 11 2012 16:17 Fr0d0 wrote:
I've got a good theory about current state of the ladder too.
Zerg were disgustingly underpowered for 2 years.
Terran took about 20 major nerfs to be balanced and toss took about 10.
So zergs worked their ass off to get any chance to win single game.
While terran/toss were collecting free wins against zerg in 10 minutes of play by executing blind 1/2 bases all-ins/pushes composed of 1-2 units.
And now instead of l2p on even footing most terrans/tosses are just whining big time.
Lol, zerg wasn't underpowered at all, Terran was just strong. The map pool being terrible was why Zerg struggled a little bit. Their winrates quickly asymptoted at 45-55 once GSL maps hit the scene, and despite all this Zerg's have had competitive performances since launch. And, "underpowered" for two years? Maybe WEAK for the first 5-6 months. What's really disgusting is the bias thats pervasive in this post. Well, now zerg is just strong. Terran struggle a little bit and still is dominating Code S. There were 14 terrans in Ro32. I really see no any reason to this bitching storm on forums. 8 zergs in the ro16 I don't see how terran is "dominating" anything. May be it is so, because better players chose zerg.
Lol, and better players chose terran at launch right?
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On November 11 2012 17:41 Fr0d0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 17:33 zhurai wrote:On November 11 2012 17:22 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:10 rd wrote:On November 11 2012 16:17 Fr0d0 wrote:
I've got a good theory about current state of the ladder too.
Zerg were disgustingly underpowered for 2 years.
Terran took about 20 major nerfs to be balanced and toss took about 10.
So zergs worked their ass off to get any chance to win single game.
While terran/toss were collecting free wins against zerg in 10 minutes of play by executing blind 1/2 bases all-ins/pushes composed of 1-2 units.
And now instead of l2p on even footing most terrans/tosses are just whining big time.
Lol, zerg wasn't underpowered at all, Terran was just strong. The map pool being terrible was why Zerg struggled a little bit. Their winrates quickly asymptoted at 45-55 once GSL maps hit the scene, and despite all this Zerg's have had competitive performances since launch. And, "underpowered" for two years? Maybe WEAK for the first 5-6 months. What's really disgusting is the bias thats pervasive in this post. Well, now zerg is just strong. Terran struggle a little bit and still is dominating Code S. There were 14 terrans in Ro32. I really see no any reason to this bitching storm on forums. representation != dominating you have to look at the actual games to say anything about that. I totally agree with your point of view. I have no idea why people makes post like this one(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=380738¤tpage=34#670) and claims some imbalance and demands unjustified nerfs.
You come here, make post that is a generic whine of patchzerg, and then start raining blames on everyone for wanting the nerf of most unlogical and stupid unit that Browder has ever delivered.
You want a game for a proof? Liquid'HerO vs FXOLeenock(GSL S4, Ro16, Group B, Antiga Shipyard) - a typical showcase of how zerg can get outplayed for 90% of the game, then hit F button few times and collect currency.
Effort zerg has to make is miniscule. I find it pretty disgusting and unbalanced.
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On November 11 2012 17:57 Le BucheRON wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 17:29 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:25 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:22 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:10 rd wrote:On November 11 2012 16:17 Fr0d0 wrote:
I've got a good theory about current state of the ladder too.
Zerg were disgustingly underpowered for 2 years.
Terran took about 20 major nerfs to be balanced and toss took about 10.
So zergs worked their ass off to get any chance to win single game.
While terran/toss were collecting free wins against zerg in 10 minutes of play by executing blind 1/2 bases all-ins/pushes composed of 1-2 units.
And now instead of l2p on even footing most terrans/tosses are just whining big time.
Lol, zerg wasn't underpowered at all, Terran was just strong. The map pool being terrible was why Zerg struggled a little bit. Their winrates quickly asymptoted at 45-55 once GSL maps hit the scene, and despite all this Zerg's have had competitive performances since launch. And, "underpowered" for two years? Maybe WEAK for the first 5-6 months. What's really disgusting is the bias thats pervasive in this post. Well, now zerg is just strong. Terran struggle a little bit and still is dominating Code S. There were 14 terrans in Ro32. I really see no any reason to this bitching storm on forums. 8 zergs in the ro16 I don't see how terran is "dominating" anything. May be it is so, because better players chose zerg. Lol, and better players chose terran at launch right?
No, dude, those BoxeR, NaDa and Mvp guys are just retards compared to the true strength of great Idra and Destiny.
/s
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Infestors are by far the most interesting unit in the game. Rather than nerfing zerg, give the other races more interesting units.
The stale broodlord/infestor late game composition is a different issue.
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On November 11 2012 18:02 Incanus wrote:
Infestors are by far the most interesting unit in the game. Rather than nerfing zerg, give the other races more interesting units.
Have you seen the new expansion? I'd rather have them nerfed than wait for Dustin "destructible rocks" Browder to think of an interesting and fun unit.
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On November 11 2012 17:58 DidYuhim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 17:41 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:33 zhurai wrote:On November 11 2012 17:22 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:10 rd wrote:On November 11 2012 16:17 Fr0d0 wrote:
I've got a good theory about current state of the ladder too.
Zerg were disgustingly underpowered for 2 years.
Terran took about 20 major nerfs to be balanced and toss took about 10.
So zergs worked their ass off to get any chance to win single game.
While terran/toss were collecting free wins against zerg in 10 minutes of play by executing blind 1/2 bases all-ins/pushes composed of 1-2 units.
And now instead of l2p on even footing most terrans/tosses are just whining big time.
Lol, zerg wasn't underpowered at all, Terran was just strong. The map pool being terrible was why Zerg struggled a little bit. Their winrates quickly asymptoted at 45-55 once GSL maps hit the scene, and despite all this Zerg's have had competitive performances since launch. And, "underpowered" for two years? Maybe WEAK for the first 5-6 months. What's really disgusting is the bias thats pervasive in this post. Well, now zerg is just strong. Terran struggle a little bit and still is dominating Code S. There were 14 terrans in Ro32. I really see no any reason to this bitching storm on forums. representation != dominating you have to look at the actual games to say anything about that. I totally agree with your point of view. I have no idea why people makes post like this one(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=380738¤tpage=34#670) and claims some imbalance and demands unjustified nerfs. You come here, make post that is a generic whine of patchzerg, and then start raining blames on everyone for wanting the nerf of most unlogical and stupid unit that Browder has ever delivered. You want a game for a proof? Liquid'HerO vs FXOLeenock(GSL S4, Ro16, Group B, Antiga Shipyard) - a typical showcase of how zerg can get outplayed for 90% of the game, then hit F button few times and collect currency. Effort zerg has to make is miniscule. I find it pretty disgusting and unbalanced.
Dustin Browder still disagree with you nevertheless.
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On November 11 2012 18:09 Fr0d0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 17:58 DidYuhim wrote:On November 11 2012 17:41 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:33 zhurai wrote:On November 11 2012 17:22 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:10 rd wrote:On November 11 2012 16:17 Fr0d0 wrote:
I've got a good theory about current state of the ladder too.
Zerg were disgustingly underpowered for 2 years.
Terran took about 20 major nerfs to be balanced and toss took about 10.
So zergs worked their ass off to get any chance to win single game.
While terran/toss were collecting free wins against zerg in 10 minutes of play by executing blind 1/2 bases all-ins/pushes composed of 1-2 units.
And now instead of l2p on even footing most terrans/tosses are just whining big time.
Lol, zerg wasn't underpowered at all, Terran was just strong. The map pool being terrible was why Zerg struggled a little bit. Their winrates quickly asymptoted at 45-55 once GSL maps hit the scene, and despite all this Zerg's have had competitive performances since launch. And, "underpowered" for two years? Maybe WEAK for the first 5-6 months. What's really disgusting is the bias thats pervasive in this post. Well, now zerg is just strong. Terran struggle a little bit and still is dominating Code S. There were 14 terrans in Ro32. I really see no any reason to this bitching storm on forums. representation != dominating you have to look at the actual games to say anything about that. I totally agree with your point of view. I have no idea why people makes post like this one(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=380738¤tpage=34#670) and claims some imbalance and demands unjustified nerfs. You come here, make post that is a generic whine of patchzerg, and then start raining blames on everyone for wanting the nerf of most unlogical and stupid unit that Browder has ever delivered. You want a game for a proof? Liquid'HerO vs FXOLeenock(GSL S4, Ro16, Group B, Antiga Shipyard) - a typical showcase of how zerg can get outplayed for 90% of the game, then hit F button few times and collect currency. Effort zerg has to make is miniscule. I find it pretty disgusting and unbalanced. Dustin Browder still disagree with you nevertheless.
He also says that Tal'Darim Altar is one of the best balanced maps all-around.
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On November 11 2012 18:13 DidYuhim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 18:09 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:58 DidYuhim wrote:On November 11 2012 17:41 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:33 zhurai wrote:On November 11 2012 17:22 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:10 rd wrote:On November 11 2012 16:17 Fr0d0 wrote:
I've got a good theory about current state of the ladder too.
Zerg were disgustingly underpowered for 2 years.
Terran took about 20 major nerfs to be balanced and toss took about 10.
So zergs worked their ass off to get any chance to win single game.
While terran/toss were collecting free wins against zerg in 10 minutes of play by executing blind 1/2 bases all-ins/pushes composed of 1-2 units.
And now instead of l2p on even footing most terrans/tosses are just whining big time.
Lol, zerg wasn't underpowered at all, Terran was just strong. The map pool being terrible was why Zerg struggled a little bit. Their winrates quickly asymptoted at 45-55 once GSL maps hit the scene, and despite all this Zerg's have had competitive performances since launch. And, "underpowered" for two years? Maybe WEAK for the first 5-6 months. What's really disgusting is the bias thats pervasive in this post. Well, now zerg is just strong. Terran struggle a little bit and still is dominating Code S. There were 14 terrans in Ro32. I really see no any reason to this bitching storm on forums. representation != dominating you have to look at the actual games to say anything about that. I totally agree with your point of view. I have no idea why people makes post like this one(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=380738¤tpage=34#670) and claims some imbalance and demands unjustified nerfs. You come here, make post that is a generic whine of patchzerg, and then start raining blames on everyone for wanting the nerf of most unlogical and stupid unit that Browder has ever delivered. You want a game for a proof? Liquid'HerO vs FXOLeenock(GSL S4, Ro16, Group B, Antiga Shipyard) - a typical showcase of how zerg can get outplayed for 90% of the game, then hit F button few times and collect currency. Effort zerg has to make is miniscule. I find it pretty disgusting and unbalanced. Dustin Browder still disagree with you nevertheless. He also says that Tal'Darim Altar is one of the best balanced maps all-around.
LOL. I'd rather play Steppes of War as a Season 1 2010 zerg.
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mass infestor is pretty much the new mass ghost, end game terran would just mass ghost and blizzard nerfed the strategy now, all zergs just mass infestors and win... fair is fair nerf infestor to :/
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No, dude, those BoxeR, NaDa and Mvp guys are just retards compared to the true strength of great Idra and Destiny.
/s
Yes, Hipster Destiny was using the infestor before it was mainstream. In fact, he invented it. Idra was using perfect mechanics before it was popular too, making him so much more awesome.
But on a serious note, PvZ is stupid, because of immortal all ins and BL/Infestor. Not even worrying about balance, its just retarded to watch. Drones Drones Drones, Robo, to all-in or not to all-in, that is the question. 50 mins later, the map is mined out and zerg has an army of 20BL's and 40 Infestors and 80 spines...
While I enjoy playing and watching the game, I think it needs some serious overhauling. Blizzard needs to GTFO the idea of spells that negate micro, free units (broodlings, infested terrans, and this new swarm host???) and destructable rocks.
LESS NERF, MORE BUFF.
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The point of SC2 is to play a game. A game needs too able competitors. Ghostss EMP range was nerfed because it was too effective against deathballs? Well, why can't Toss and Zerg send out scouts of their own to kill the ghosts that are trying to EMP them? Know what would happen? Awesome fun would happen, and splitting of units would happen, and a cool storyline of chasing, anticipation, sabotage, catching off guard, and coordination would happen.
The proactive clipping of abilities to equalize the style of play is backwards. The style of play (within a reasonable balanced game) should fit the game. In other words, Zerg and Toss would need to do something about Ghost EMP, like drop for the Ghost Academy or send out scouts to kill them.
THis continual loop of nerfing is silly, it was good the way it was before Ghost nerf.
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On November 11 2012 18:13 DidYuhim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 18:09 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:58 DidYuhim wrote:On November 11 2012 17:41 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:33 zhurai wrote:On November 11 2012 17:22 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:10 rd wrote:On November 11 2012 16:17 Fr0d0 wrote:
I've got a good theory about current state of the ladder too.
Zerg were disgustingly underpowered for 2 years.
Terran took about 20 major nerfs to be balanced and toss took about 10.
So zergs worked their ass off to get any chance to win single game.
While terran/toss were collecting free wins against zerg in 10 minutes of play by executing blind 1/2 bases all-ins/pushes composed of 1-2 units.
And now instead of l2p on even footing most terrans/tosses are just whining big time.
Lol, zerg wasn't underpowered at all, Terran was just strong. The map pool being terrible was why Zerg struggled a little bit. Their winrates quickly asymptoted at 45-55 once GSL maps hit the scene, and despite all this Zerg's have had competitive performances since launch. And, "underpowered" for two years? Maybe WEAK for the first 5-6 months. What's really disgusting is the bias thats pervasive in this post. Well, now zerg is just strong. Terran struggle a little bit and still is dominating Code S. There were 14 terrans in Ro32. I really see no any reason to this bitching storm on forums. representation != dominating you have to look at the actual games to say anything about that. I totally agree with your point of view. I have no idea why people makes post like this one(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=380738¤tpage=34#670) and claims some imbalance and demands unjustified nerfs. You come here, make post that is a generic whine of patchzerg, and then start raining blames on everyone for wanting the nerf of most unlogical and stupid unit that Browder has ever delivered. You want a game for a proof? Liquid'HerO vs FXOLeenock(GSL S4, Ro16, Group B, Antiga Shipyard) - a typical showcase of how zerg can get outplayed for 90% of the game, then hit F button few times and collect currency. Effort zerg has to make is miniscule. I find it pretty disgusting and unbalanced. Dustin Browder still disagree with you nevertheless. He also says that Tal'Darim Altar is one of the best balanced maps all-around.
He also sold you SC2:WOL for 60$.
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On November 11 2012 17:53 dddoushio wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 17:48 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:46 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:44 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:37 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:29 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:25 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:22 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:10 rd wrote:On November 11 2012 16:17 Fr0d0 wrote:
I've got a good theory about current state of the ladder too.
Zerg were disgustingly underpowered for 2 years.
Terran took about 20 major nerfs to be balanced and toss took about 10.
So zergs worked their ass off to get any chance to win single game.
While terran/toss were collecting free wins against zerg in 10 minutes of play by executing blind 1/2 bases all-ins/pushes composed of 1-2 units.
And now instead of l2p on even footing most terrans/tosses are just whining big time.
Lol, zerg wasn't underpowered at all, Terran was just strong. The map pool being terrible was why Zerg struggled a little bit. Their winrates quickly asymptoted at 45-55 once GSL maps hit the scene, and despite all this Zerg's have had competitive performances since launch. And, "underpowered" for two years? Maybe WEAK for the first 5-6 months. What's really disgusting is the bias thats pervasive in this post. Well, now zerg is just strong. Terran struggle a little bit and still is dominating Code S. There were 14 terrans in Ro32. I really see no any reason to this bitching storm on forums. 8 zergs in the ro16 I don't see how terran is "dominating" anything. May be it is so, because better players chose zerg. How was terran imbalanced then? I have no full information, unfortunately. I can only guess and make theories. But Blizzard made 20 nerfs to terrans based on some internal statistics and extensive testing I believe. No no no, clearly terran and protoss just had the better players. Blizzard's nerfs were unnecessary and unjustified, and now zerg needs to be nerfed too so there is an even playing ground. Dustin Browder and David Kim disagreed with you explicitly. They're wrong and I'm right, obviously.
Well, but what can you do about it ?
Whine moar ?
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On November 11 2012 18:15 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 18:13 DidYuhim wrote:On November 11 2012 18:09 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:58 DidYuhim wrote:On November 11 2012 17:41 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:33 zhurai wrote:On November 11 2012 17:22 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:10 rd wrote:On November 11 2012 16:17 Fr0d0 wrote:
I've got a good theory about current state of the ladder too.
Zerg were disgustingly underpowered for 2 years.
Terran took about 20 major nerfs to be balanced and toss took about 10.
So zergs worked their ass off to get any chance to win single game.
While terran/toss were collecting free wins against zerg in 10 minutes of play by executing blind 1/2 bases all-ins/pushes composed of 1-2 units.
And now instead of l2p on even footing most terrans/tosses are just whining big time.
Lol, zerg wasn't underpowered at all, Terran was just strong. The map pool being terrible was why Zerg struggled a little bit. Their winrates quickly asymptoted at 45-55 once GSL maps hit the scene, and despite all this Zerg's have had competitive performances since launch. And, "underpowered" for two years? Maybe WEAK for the first 5-6 months. What's really disgusting is the bias thats pervasive in this post. Well, now zerg is just strong. Terran struggle a little bit and still is dominating Code S. There were 14 terrans in Ro32. I really see no any reason to this bitching storm on forums. representation != dominating you have to look at the actual games to say anything about that. I totally agree with your point of view. I have no idea why people makes post like this one(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=380738¤tpage=34#670) and claims some imbalance and demands unjustified nerfs. You come here, make post that is a generic whine of patchzerg, and then start raining blames on everyone for wanting the nerf of most unlogical and stupid unit that Browder has ever delivered. You want a game for a proof? Liquid'HerO vs FXOLeenock(GSL S4, Ro16, Group B, Antiga Shipyard) - a typical showcase of how zerg can get outplayed for 90% of the game, then hit F button few times and collect currency. Effort zerg has to make is miniscule. I find it pretty disgusting and unbalanced. Dustin Browder still disagree with you nevertheless. He also says that Tal'Darim Altar is one of the best balanced maps all-around. LOL. I'd rather play Steppes of War as a Season 1 2010 zerg.
No. No you would not.
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On November 11 2012 18:41 Fr0d0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 17:53 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:48 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:46 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:44 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:37 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:29 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:25 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:22 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:10 rd wrote:
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Lol, zerg wasn't underpowered at all, Terran was just strong. The map pool being terrible was why Zerg struggled a little bit. Their winrates quickly asymptoted at 45-55 once GSL maps hit the scene, and despite all this Zerg's have had competitive performances since launch. And, "underpowered" for two years? Maybe WEAK for the first 5-6 months. What's really disgusting is the bias thats pervasive in this post.
Well, now zerg is just strong. Terran struggle a little bit and still is dominating Code S. There were 14 terrans in Ro32. I really see no any reason to this bitching storm on forums. 8 zergs in the ro16 I don't see how terran is "dominating" anything. May be it is so, because better players chose zerg. How was terran imbalanced then? I have no full information, unfortunately. I can only guess and make theories. But Blizzard made 20 nerfs to terrans based on some internal statistics and extensive testing I believe. No no no, clearly terran and protoss just had the better players. Blizzard's nerfs were unnecessary and unjustified, and now zerg needs to be nerfed too so there is an even playing ground. Dustin Browder and David Kim disagreed with you explicitly. They're wrong and I'm right, obviously. Well, but what can you do about it ? Whine moar ?
Hey, it worked for zerg players.
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On November 11 2012 18:58 dddoushio wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 18:41 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:53 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:48 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:46 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:44 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:37 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:29 Fr0d0 wrote:On November 11 2012 17:25 dddoushio wrote:On November 11 2012 17:22 Fr0d0 wrote:
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Well, now zerg is just strong.
Terran struggle a little bit and still is dominating Code S. There were 14 terrans in Ro32.
I really see no any reason to this bitching storm on forums. 8 zergs in the ro16 I don't see how terran is "dominating" anything. May be it is so, because better players chose zerg. How was terran imbalanced then? I have no full information, unfortunately. I can only guess and make theories. But Blizzard made 20 nerfs to terrans based on some internal statistics and extensive testing I believe. No no no, clearly terran and protoss just had the better players. Blizzard's nerfs were unnecessary and unjustified, and now zerg needs to be nerfed too so there is an even playing ground. Dustin Browder and David Kim disagreed with you explicitly. They're wrong and I'm right, obviously. Well, but what can you do about it ? Whine moar ? Hey, it worked for zerg players.
Hey, they still do it.
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