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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
October 11 2012 07:46 GMT
#41
You can't judge midas winrate on dotabuff, because that only counts midas in end-inventory.
If the midas is sold(which most of them are later on) it will not count as a win for the item.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
boxman22
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada430 Posts
October 11 2012 07:48 GMT
#42
On October 11 2012 16:46 Unleashing wrote:
You can't judge midas winrate on dotabuff, because that only counts midas in end-inventory.
If the midas is sold(which most of them are later on) it will not count as a win for the item.

It's tough to say "most" but it probably does underrate a little.
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
October 11 2012 08:45 GMT
#43
The thing with HoM is that, while on paper it is a good item, it has a huge opportunity cost. Sure, you can get extra farm for yourself. But you could also go kill them and screw up their farm. Push down a tower with the item you got instead of HoM and you basically just gave ~10 minutes worth of HoMing to your team (if you get the last hit, then ~4/5 minutes goes to you). Get a kill? ~2 minutes of HoMing. And you also get indirect benefits - pushing down towers means you have more space to farm, increasing your gpm and reducing the net benefit HoM would have given you. It also lets you contest roshan better - rosh often being a big factor in winning a game.

Not to mention that HoM is boring. Most of the time people play pubs to have fun, not to win. Ganking is generally better than farming for fun, and HoM is terrible if you are ganking.

Unless you are playing profit ofc. Then holla holla get dolla, gotta meet dem quotas.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-11 11:15:33
October 11 2012 11:12 GMT
#44
Only heroes I get midas on are

Natures Profit
Broodmother
Occasionally Sillybear
Silencer(don't ask why, I just do for some reason always)
Some carries that I play where I get fb in the first 2-3 min WITH a freefarm lane, most of the time ill get the quicker Bfury, Radiance, EB, Agha, Orchid or other items though.
WriterXiao8~~
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
October 11 2012 12:53 GMT
#45
Arc Warden gonna start the Midas Revolution(tm)
it's my first day
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-11 13:18:14
October 11 2012 13:17 GMT
#46
Getting midas on OD and silencer used to be pretty common.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
skyride
Profile Joined January 2011
Scotland103 Posts
October 11 2012 13:35 GMT
#47
He is right. Hand of Midas allows me to meet my quota quicker on heros that can't farm very well (like veno and omni). The attack speed also helps your DPS a lot.
Yacobs
Profile Joined March 2010
United States846 Posts
October 11 2012 13:38 GMT
#48
On October 11 2012 11:05 Heh_ wrote:
Don't post 3 in a row.


Don't tell me what to do, internet tough guy.


No. I'm implying that your title is sensationalist.


No it's not. When someone says "X is the best item," it's pretty obvious they're not including standard consumables that are basically a necessity.

User was temp banned for this post.
fleeze
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany895 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-11 14:30:11
October 11 2012 14:29 GMT
#49
On October 11 2012 22:38 Yacobs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 11:05 Heh_ wrote:
Don't post 3 in a row.


Don't tell me what to do, internet tough guy.


Show nested quote +
No. I'm implying that your title is sensationalist.


No it's not. When someone says "X is the best item," it's pretty obvious they're not including standard consumables that are basically a necessity.



You TRIPLEpost and flame the guy that critizes you for it.
You give bad advice with an absolute statement and deny your sensationalist title.
You ignore the myriad of better players that give better advice about midas
You insist on calling midas the best item although proven wrong multiple times

WTF is wrong with you? Please stop posting on TL.
Yacobs
Profile Joined March 2010
United States846 Posts
October 11 2012 14:32 GMT
#50
On October 11 2012 23:29 fleeze wrote:
You TRIPLEpost and flame the guy that critizes you for it.
You give bad advice with an absolute statement and deny your sensationalist title.
You ignore the myriad of better players that give better advice about midas
You insist on calling midas the best item although proven wrong multiple times

WTF is wrong with you? Please stop posting on TL.


When did I give advice?

Which player is better than me? And how would you know?

Who has "proven" me wrong?

Everyone here is expressing their opinion, nothing more, nothing less. I'll express another one of my opinions: don't post in threads if you have nothing to add to the discussion.
fleeze
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany895 Posts
October 11 2012 14:38 GMT
#51
On October 11 2012 23:32 Yacobs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 23:29 fleeze wrote:
You TRIPLEpost and flame the guy that critizes you for it.
You give bad advice with an absolute statement and deny your sensationalist title.
You ignore the myriad of better players that give better advice about midas
You insist on calling midas the best item although proven wrong multiple times

WTF is wrong with you? Please stop posting on TL.


When did I give advice?

Which player is better than me? And how would you know?

Who has "proven" me wrong?

Everyone here is expressing their opinion, nothing more, nothing less. I'll express another one of my opinions: don't post in threads if you have nothing to add to the discussion.


Read your fucking title and ask again where you give advice.
IF you cared you would know the players from general discussion and other topics. or just look at flamewheels pick for example, should give you a hint.
IF you could follow arguments you would have realised, just as anybody else in the thread, that midas has limited uses.

btw: it's disgusting and misleading for beginners seeing a thread on TL Dota STRATEGY section labeled MIDAS BEST ITEM.
i'm done with you and your thread. there is no point in discussing with someone that can only make absolute statements.
Yacobs
Profile Joined March 2010
United States846 Posts
October 11 2012 14:46 GMT
#52
On October 11 2012 23:38 fleeze wrote:
your fucking title

it's disgusting and misleading for beginners seeing a thread on TL Dota STRATEGY section labeled MIDAS BEST ITEM.


Whoa, whoa, fleeze. Did you forget to take your medicine this morning?

i'm done with you and your thread.


Thank you.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
October 11 2012 15:10 GMT
#53
Well, this fell apart quickly.
Legs = best item
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
October 11 2012 15:26 GMT
#54
Today we learned yacobs is retarded and mods don't care about this sub forum.
Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
October 11 2012 16:15 GMT
#55
This thread had potential but the OP is just awful and he doesn't care that it is.

Hand of Midas
PROS:
-Will increase your farm in the long run
-Pub players are bad at pushing so there isn't that much threat to getting it
-+30% ias is nice

CONS:
-makes you useless in fights for 15 mins
-You will lose many towers if they know how to push

discussing hand of midas in pubs is stupid because its so dependent on your team. The other pub threads we have are about how to have more impact in pubs, which is a great idea.

A hand of midas thread how to play passive and farm as much as you can so you can carry your team late game, which is not the best idea in pubs, but would also be a great thread. I didn't watch the Na'vi vs darer game where they went hand of midas' so I can't comment on that, but navi is pretty good so they can generally do whatever they want. They are the exception rather than the rule.

This thread is about getting hand of midas because OP says its the best item in the game with a low level pub mentality, which is a bad idea.
In Mushi we trust
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
October 11 2012 16:41 GMT
#56
On October 11 2012 22:38 Yacobs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 11:05 Heh_ wrote:
Don't post 3 in a row.


Don't tell me what to do, internet tough guy.

Here at Team Liquid, we refrain from posting multiple times in a row. You have an option to edit a post; elect to use it. Furthermore, calling someone else an "internet tough guy" most certainly doesn't characterize you as the actual internet tough guy.

Show nested quote +
No. I'm implying that your title is sensationalist.


No it's not. When someone says "X is the best item," it's pretty obvious they're not including standard consumables that are basically a necessity.

Given your demonstrated lack of reasoning and stubbornness toward sensible counterarguments, such an assumption (as the one I made) is both sensible and justified.

If I were in the mood to repeat what others have already stated in this thread, I'd also tell you that your title is not only sensationalist, but also flat out wrong. Thankfully, there are indeed levelheaded people in this mockery of a thread that have made well-reasoned arguments that you've managed to rebuff in a poor fashion.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-11 16:52:43
October 11 2012 16:52 GMT
#57
On October 12 2012 00:26 Ack1027 wrote:
Today we learned yacobs is retarded and mods don't care about this sub forum.

I care~

oh and this right after i said not to double post bahaha
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
October 11 2012 17:32 GMT
#58
Well this ended in disaster.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
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