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Yacobs
United States846 Posts
relies on the other players being dead, super mega low MMR, or retardedly noobish Wrong. Let me guess, you're one of those people who thinks that "Very High" MMR in Dota2 means your games are indistinguishable from pro games and you could be a pro yourself if they'd only just give you a chance. | ||
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NaUj
United States47 Posts
My only problem with OPs post is stating that the anti-situation has only happened a handful of times in the history of pub Dota. Honestly? That single post just shows how little time you have been around Dota and therefore how wrong you are. | ||
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
On October 11 2012 05:14 Yacobs wrote: Wrong. Let me guess, you're one of those people who thinks that "Very High" MMR in Dota2 means your games are indistinguishable from pro games and you could be a pro yourself if they'd only just give you a chance. Then prove it. Post your profile, showcase your games where you won every single time you went midas. You should have a 100% winrate unless you somehow encountered those 5 times where the team countered your midas. Then we can also find out if you're theorycrafting noob or high-level strats. Also, I should criticize your other random statement that makes no sense: How many games have you played that had a hero reaching lvl 25? It's VERY RARE in the current metagame. Maybe about 1 in 10 games. Midas isn't some miracle xp generator that allows you to get lvl 25 in the blink of an eye; in fact if you played the strength of your hero you'll probably win long before hitting lvl 25. | ||
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Chronald
United States619 Posts
On October 11 2012 05:14 Yacobs wrote: Wrong. Let me guess, you're one of those people who thinks that "Very High" MMR in Dota2 means your games are indistinguishable from pro games and you could be a pro yourself if they'd only just give you a chance. Did I ever say that? I simply pointed out that you are most likely playing in a low MMR pool. Personally I do not really play matchmaking since people are, as I said, retards. I play in-house and custom games with friends so that we can actually have fun. And no, I could not go pro in DotA2, since I am not good enough, however I do have half a brain, and am not a generalizing idiot like yourself. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
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scorch-
United States816 Posts
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archonOOid
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paper
13197 Posts
https://dotabuff.com/matches/47467229 qed | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
Hand of Midas is a selfish item. You're basically discounting your ability to fight for about 10 minutes. If your teammates can hold their own, then it's all good. If you're needed to help in the fight, you won't be able to as much. A fast hand of midas against a team comp that won't push that don't gank well will be easily ok. But lots of things work well in pub games. also counters chen creeps!!! | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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Yacobs
United States846 Posts
On October 11 2012 10:29 flamewheel wrote: Let's play a hypothetical game. I won't buy Midas and see how that impacts me. You won't buy Town Portal Scrolls and see how that impacts you. Is that supposed to imply that buying a Midas means you can't afford a TP scroll? If so, lol. | ||
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Yacobs
United States846 Posts
On October 11 2012 06:27 Heh_ wrote: It's VERY RARE in the current metagame. You know how I know your opinion is irrelevant? Because you used the word "metagame" to describe pub games. Just in case you misread the OP, this is about pubs, not about pro games. | ||
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Yacobs
United States846 Posts
On October 11 2012 08:10 archonOOid wrote: I've played dota for a while and at my mmr I never see anybody going for midas except furion and with that statement I think that the argument presented in the OP is false. People copy what pros do. Pros don't buy Midas very much, for obvious reasons. I didn't say Midas is an item that pubs buy all the time. I said it's the best item. See the difference? It has to do with the meaning of the two sentences and the fact that they don't mean the same things. | ||
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Yacobs
United States846 Posts
On October 11 2012 07:29 Kznn wrote: Midas is pretty great if you have a good/great start. otherwise you go normal itens. I actually disagree with this. Dota is a snowballing game. If you're at a disadvantage early, you MAY need to take risks in order to come back (depending on the skill levels and strengths/weaknesses of the two teams). Midas allows you to take a risk in order to catch up in farm and levels. | ||
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Drow
Canada60 Posts
On October 11 2012 10:43 Yacobs wrote: Is that supposed to imply that buying a Midas means you can't afford a TP scroll? If so, lol. No he is proposing that a good way to measure if an item is "the best" is to look at how many games you would win if you didn't get it. Saying you can get both means nothing, the important part is if you didnt have an item would you lose games you otherwise would have won with it. | ||
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
On October 11 2012 10:45 Yacobs wrote: You know how I know your opinion is irrelevant? Because you used the word "metagame" to describe pub games. Just in case you misread the OP, this is about pubs, not about pro games. The metagame does cover pubs, if you want to be so anal about your definitions. How many pub games have you seen that drag so late that you can get lvl 25 heroes? A negligible amount of them. Take a look at this: https://dotabuff.com/matches How many matches drag on past 40 minutes? 50 minutes? 60 minutes? How often do you see lvl 25 heroes in these games? Hint: very rarely. On October 11 2012 10:49 Yacobs wrote: I actually disagree with this. Dota is a snowballing game. If you're at a disadvantage early, you MAY need to take risks in order to come back (depending on the skill levels and strengths/weaknesses of the two teams). Midas allows you to take a risk in order to catch up in farm and levels. If you're at a disadvantage early, midas sets you back even further until it has paid off, while the rest of your team gets slaughtered. And learn to edit your posts. Don't post 3 in a row. | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On October 11 2012 07:56 scorch- wrote: Midas is not solely an afkfarm item. There was a game where Na'Vi bought TWO hand of midases (hard carry and furion) and then played very aggressively, taking over the enemy jungle. This was the game where Dendi played Sven and ran around the enemy jungle getting kills for 10 minutes straight. By trading heroes aggressively, they amassed a gold and xp advantage because of the way midas gives extra gold and xp to your team. They weren't winning these gank engagements, only breaking even in most cases, but doing so gave them an advantage. 1900 gold is almost a Mek or Drums or various other support items that would far benefit you more than Midas will in direct engagements. If you're winning with dual midas, it means you're just outclassing the other team and can afford to handicap yourself early on. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On October 11 2012 10:43 Yacobs wrote: Is that supposed to imply that buying a Midas means you can't afford a TP scroll? If so, lol. No. I'm implying that your title is sensationalist. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I don´t even buy Midas on Naix and according to statistics, Naix is the second most buyer of Midas and has the only >50% winratio of the top 5 with it. Because games snowball I farm Treads and Armlet, then leave the wood to go be awesome. A 5 second magic immune thing that hits you for 200 damage while slowing you has a much better chance of winning, because at that point Naix is stronger than everyone else in the game. It´s a timing and it comes early. Getting a midas will make you hit later and weaker. Do tell which better hero to get midas on. | ||
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