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SurroundSound
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
106 Posts
August 17 2012 16:34 GMT
#521
I have a question...Are the friggin widow mines cloaked when the burrow? i can't tell.
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MrJack1337
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 17:48:11
August 17 2012 16:36 GMT
#522
wow. HotS is really funny. I played it with my friends at GamesCom today. Mass tempest are soo op :D Just kiddin', I was just too bad :p

btw: The BattleCruiser speed-ability is really nice - the BC flew as fast as a viking with it activated!

I'm so pumped for the HotS Beta!


edit: btw: The woman at HotS-Stage said to us that we were the only guys with constant high apm. And we're just diamond league. There were so many bronze-players there :D
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
August 17 2012 16:42 GMT
#523
On August 18 2012 01:34 SurroundSound wrote:
I have a question...Are the friggin widow mines cloaked when the burrow? i can't tell.



Yes they are, as they are burrowed xD
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
August 17 2012 16:43 GMT
#524
How about making Widow Mines not able to be loaded into dropships?
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Wounded31
Profile Joined October 2011
124 Posts
August 17 2012 16:44 GMT
#525
Hope I get in :D
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
August 17 2012 16:48 GMT
#526
On August 18 2012 00:48 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 00:45 xPabt wrote:
On August 18 2012 00:09 Herect wrote:
Cons:

- You can't make 20 of it at same time, and, plus, it takes some factory time (you could be building BHs).
- It'll have to burrow before attacks, so it can't be used in a normal battle with the bio/mechball.
- It doesn't have a uniform AoE damage. Something like the Seeker Missile. It'll probalby stacks, but the damge will fall considerably with the radius.
- It'll break Deathballs just like banes.



That's a con??


I think he means "break" in the sense that it'll make them too strong. Imagine a mech Deathball surrounded by Mines. Wtf do you even do against that?

Sounds like a bit like BW TvP
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CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 16:50:37
August 17 2012 16:49 GMT
#527
On August 18 2012 01:43 digmouse wrote:
How about making Widow Mines not able to be loaded into dropships?


Are you sure tehy can do that right now?

If they can, its still not really a big deal as they are more expensive than a worker and their splash damage has already been decreased. This means that they will take out maybe 10 or 12 workers at most, and thats probably only if they clump all up around them. 10-12 workers for the cost of 8 widow mines? Not worth it if u ask me.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
August 17 2012 16:54 GMT
#528
On August 17 2012 23:58 DemigodcelpH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 23:22 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On August 17 2012 23:18 SupItsG wrote:
On August 17 2012 23:13 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On August 17 2012 23:04 Snowbear wrote:
It's blizzard. They will nerf OP things.

I know, I am following that logic, but I am not convinced. Currently Widow Mine doesn't cost a lot, 75/25, but it prevents Muta harass completely, which is retarded. There is no sane Zerg that will trade Mutas that are 100/100 for Widow Mines, and currently Widow Mine does 200 damage to single target unit, and they even BUFFED that damage...

We will see, but I hope for more diversity, not less.


It doesn't pervent muta harass. And any zerg who has been playing for more than 5 minutes or is older than 4 years old will be able to pull 1 muta out of his control group in 10 seconds.

That is not the point, you won't be trading one Muta that cost 100/100 for Mine that cost 75/25. Of course I will micro, but he can just put 5-6 Mines in the mineral line and 1 Turret, and I will be the at loss if I engage even with 15+ Mutas, not him.


Very narrow biased logic. Widow mines don't move at a ridiculous 3.75 speed and fly and have DPS and 120 HP.


yeah mines alone won't stop harassment, you can spot them with an overseer, fly in one muta and take down the rest of the mines in these 10 seconds. I think i will prefer upgraded turrets + few vikings to stop mutas still. But will mix widow mines in of course.
grapesludge
Profile Joined April 2012
United States28 Posts
August 17 2012 16:54 GMT
#529
I think we should move the strategy talk to the strategy forum. This is supposed to be a thread about beta access, not balance.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12043 Posts
August 17 2012 17:00 GMT
#530
One thing about the Widow Mine that they could do is make it so it can't hit workers like in Broodwar, that way they don't need to stop it being dropped and whatever.
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
August 17 2012 17:06 GMT
#531
On August 18 2012 02:00 Qikz wrote:
One thing about the Widow Mine that they could do is make it so it can't hit workers like in Broodwar, that way they don't need to stop it being dropped and whatever.

Eh, that was a really weird rule in BW. Spider Mines couldn't be activated by "hovering" units, but it was really hard to distinguish what was hovering and what wasn't.

As well as Probes, SCVs, and Drones as well as Vultures themselves, Archons and Dark Archons couldn't activate mines. But this rule didn't feel that intuitive since since some units like Defilers and High Templar look like they're hovering but in fact aren't and so they do trigger mines. And it's really weird gameplay-wise that Archons would be considered "hovering."
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Zergrusher
Profile Joined November 2011
United States562 Posts
August 17 2012 17:11 GMT
#532
Blizzard better be ready to read my feedback because honestly after dealing with seeing other RTS franchises die because of stupid designs

they better listen.
R3m3mb3rM3
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany954 Posts
August 17 2012 17:12 GMT
#533
considering I never got a beta key before for any beta I wanted, and I tryd about 10 times for other games im pessimistic. However, come on, ONE TIME BABY ONE TIME
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
August 17 2012 17:15 GMT
#534
On August 18 2012 02:11 Zergrusher wrote:
Blizzard better be ready to read my feedback because honestly after dealing with seeing other RTS franchises die because of stupid designs

they better listen.


I'm sure they'll listen to you .
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Herect
Profile Joined January 2012
Brazil216 Posts
August 17 2012 17:40 GMT
#535
On August 18 2012 00:48 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 00:45 xPabt wrote:
On August 18 2012 00:09 Herect wrote:
Cons:

- You can't make 20 of it at same time, and, plus, it takes some factory time (you could be building BHs).
- It'll have to burrow before attacks, so it can't be used in a normal battle with the bio/mechball.
- It doesn't have a uniform AoE damage. Something like the Seeker Missile. It'll probalby stacks, but the damge will fall considerably with the radius.
- It'll break Deathballs just like banes.



That's a con??


I think he means "break" in the sense that it'll make them too strong. Imagine a mech Deathball surrounded by Mines. Wtf do you even do against that?


My mistake, i put on the wrong side. Breaking the deathbal is a pro.

But, well, in theorycraft, the mechball will be the most APM intensive army in the whole game while moving. You'll have to leapfrog all your tanks AND all your Widow MInes (unburrow ==> burrow ==> unburrow ...) to advance with safety.

Blizz is giving some shit to Protoss and Zerg to Fight that. (P: Tempest to make Siege lines to move, Oracle to abuse immobility harassing. Z : Swarm Host. New Nydus (and the old Nydus will be not bad against this new mech style). Vipers (and Bloodlords shoul be good too). So this Mech even well microe'd shouldn't be OP. They could mantain the Carrier too. I can see Carriers doin Well against the new style.

These scenarios do not sound bad for me. But we'll have to wait and see.
WilDMousE
Profile Joined July 2011
Chile1335 Posts
August 17 2012 17:52 GMT
#536
On August 18 2012 02:11 Zergrusher wrote:
Blizzard better be ready to read my feedback because honestly after dealing with seeing other RTS franchises die because of stupid designs

they better listen.

Wow that's some deep feedback sir, you know how to deal with it... keep in mind it's still a beta, if you're going to "contribute" please remain on the constructive criticism side.
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
August 17 2012 17:53 GMT
#537
Really hope this will be more of an SC2 WoL type of beta rather than a D3 beta, in terms of how easy it is to get into. Would be pretty bad for players who aren't pro or friends/family and not lucky enough to get in if they still take the game seriously and would then start off at a disadvantage on release.
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tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
August 17 2012 17:54 GMT
#538
On August 18 2012 02:11 Zergrusher wrote:
Blizzard better be ready to read my feedback because honestly after dealing with seeing other RTS franchises die because of stupid designs

they better listen.

Oh don't worry brah they'll listen BIGTIME or it's OVER for them
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pyrostat
Profile Joined August 2012
Korea (South)70 Posts
August 17 2012 17:59 GMT
#539
hovering units rule should be implemented
BamBam
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
745 Posts
August 17 2012 18:01 GMT
#540
On August 17 2012 23:53 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 23:13 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On August 17 2012 23:04 Snowbear wrote:
It's blizzard. They will nerf OP things.

I know, I am following that logic, but I am not convinced. Currently Widow Mine doesn't cost a lot, 75/25, but it prevents Muta harass completely, which is retarded. There is no sane Zerg that will trade Mutas that are 100/100 for Widow Mines, and currently Widow Mine does 200 damage to single target unit, and they even BUFFED that damage...

We will see, but I hope for more diversity, not less.


Please stop whining before the game is even in beta. If it's OP then blizzard WILL NERF IT. Ghost snipe was OP so blizzard nerfed it. Tanks were OP so blizzard nerfed them. Reapers were OP so blizzard nerfed them.

I got the feeling that blizzard will remove the splash damage from the mines. Reason? Drops. Low level players will lose their whole mineral line by 4 dropped mines. Even pro's miss drops somethimes.



Really? I was under the impression that Blizzard buffs/Nerfs according to the outcrys of outspoken groups. After all thats why the ghost/infestor were nerfed as much as they were followed by buffs to units like the Queen/Phoenix right?
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