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Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
August 17 2012 02:49 GMT
#421
On August 17 2012 11:12 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 11:06 Sroobz wrote:
On August 17 2012 11:04 Forikorder wrote:
On August 17 2012 11:01 Shiori wrote:
On August 17 2012 10:44 Forikorder wrote:
On August 17 2012 10:42 Turgid wrote:
On August 17 2012 10:33 Zephirdd wrote:
On August 17 2012 10:31 Shiori wrote:
On August 17 2012 10:30 Forikorder wrote:
Zealots and Stalkers are not more cost effective against Lings and Roaches, especially not in this phase of the game.


1 zealot beats one roach small numbers is where toss units are even more cost effective, try taking down small numbers of zealots with small numbers of lings especially if the Zealots are +1

You're not asking for a way to punish Nexus first. You're asking for a way for it to be impossible to do


no im not

1 Zealot beats a Roach? I'm done here.


if you consider a single 1v1 fight no kiting no upgrades, he is right.

Abstracting the situation so that it doesn't even include micro is absurd.

the point is the zealot is more cost effective

In a situation that doesn't actually exist, sure. I guess Drones are also efficient against Infestors if they don't use Fungal.

completely different scenarios its not always possible to perfectly micro roachs to kite zealots especailyl in early game scenarios



In a professional SC2 game, 1v1, 2v2, 3v3....100v100 roach beats zealots 100% of the time. Anything else is irrelevant. Stop arguing a STUPID FUCKING POINT

in a professional starcraft games its common for Zealots to outnumber the roachs so the raochs have to spend too much time kiting and the third gets sniped


Dang, guess professional starcraft 2 is different to different people
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
August 17 2012 02:49 GMT
#422
On August 17 2012 11:49 Sroobz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 11:12 Forikorder wrote:
On August 17 2012 11:06 Sroobz wrote:
On August 17 2012 11:04 Forikorder wrote:
On August 17 2012 11:01 Shiori wrote:
On August 17 2012 10:44 Forikorder wrote:
On August 17 2012 10:42 Turgid wrote:
On August 17 2012 10:33 Zephirdd wrote:
On August 17 2012 10:31 Shiori wrote:
On August 17 2012 10:30 Forikorder wrote:
[quote]

1 zealot beats one roach small numbers is where toss units are even more cost effective, try taking down small numbers of zealots with small numbers of lings especially if the Zealots are +1

[quote]

no im not

1 Zealot beats a Roach? I'm done here.


if you consider a single 1v1 fight no kiting no upgrades, he is right.

Abstracting the situation so that it doesn't even include micro is absurd.

the point is the zealot is more cost effective

In a situation that doesn't actually exist, sure. I guess Drones are also efficient against Infestors if they don't use Fungal.

completely different scenarios its not always possible to perfectly micro roachs to kite zealots especailyl in early game scenarios



In a professional SC2 game, 1v1, 2v2, 3v3....100v100 roach beats zealots 100% of the time. Anything else is irrelevant. Stop arguing a STUPID FUCKING POINT

in a professional starcraft games its common for Zealots to outnumber the roachs so the raochs have to spend too much time kiting and the third gets sniped


Dang, guess professional starcraft 2 is different to different people

youve never seen 2 base 4 gate pressure on a third before?
bumwithagun
Profile Joined January 2011
United States153 Posts
August 17 2012 02:52 GMT
#423
2 base 4 gateis old meta and pretty ineffective these days as zergs get quicker gas and thus roachs. its from a time when zergs didnt gas till 7min or later
Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
August 17 2012 02:55 GMT
#424
On August 17 2012 11:49 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 11:49 Sroobz wrote:
On August 17 2012 11:12 Forikorder wrote:
On August 17 2012 11:06 Sroobz wrote:
On August 17 2012 11:04 Forikorder wrote:
On August 17 2012 11:01 Shiori wrote:
On August 17 2012 10:44 Forikorder wrote:
On August 17 2012 10:42 Turgid wrote:
On August 17 2012 10:33 Zephirdd wrote:
On August 17 2012 10:31 Shiori wrote:
[quote]
1 Zealot beats a Roach? I'm done here.


if you consider a single 1v1 fight no kiting no upgrades, he is right.

Abstracting the situation so that it doesn't even include micro is absurd.

the point is the zealot is more cost effective

In a situation that doesn't actually exist, sure. I guess Drones are also efficient against Infestors if they don't use Fungal.

completely different scenarios its not always possible to perfectly micro roachs to kite zealots especailyl in early game scenarios



In a professional SC2 game, 1v1, 2v2, 3v3....100v100 roach beats zealots 100% of the time. Anything else is irrelevant. Stop arguing a STUPID FUCKING POINT

in a professional starcraft games its common for Zealots to outnumber the roachs so the raochs have to spend too much time kiting and the third gets sniped


Dang, guess professional starcraft 2 is different to different people

youve never seen 2 base 4 gate pressure on a third before?


I saw it work effectively ~3 months ago.
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
metbull
Profile Joined April 2011
United States404 Posts
August 17 2012 03:58 GMT
#425
On August 17 2012 11:29 Darknat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 11:09 metbull wrote:
Someone please look up the definition of "Soon" in the blizzard dictionary bc Webster's definition obviously isn't correct.
"The Swarm is coming"......"in Summer 2013 at the earliest"



Anyone who truly believes Blizzard would wait until 2013 to release Heart of the Swarm is a moron.

Lol. no need for name calling.
I'm just going off past "soon" replies from Blizzard. If you need specific examples, you don't know Blizzard then.
Qntc.YuMe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States792 Posts
August 17 2012 04:21 GMT
#426
is this blizzard's definition of soon? lol
Achaia
Profile Joined July 2010
United States643 Posts
August 17 2012 04:27 GMT
#427
On August 17 2012 12:58 metbull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 11:29 Darknat wrote:
On August 17 2012 11:09 metbull wrote:
Someone please look up the definition of "Soon" in the blizzard dictionary bc Webster's definition obviously isn't correct.
"The Swarm is coming"......"in Summer 2013 at the earliest"



Anyone who truly believes Blizzard would wait until 2013 to release Heart of the Swarm is a moron.

Lol. no need for name calling.
I'm just going off past "soon" replies from Blizzard. If you need specific examples, you don't know Blizzard then.


But this isn't just "soon" it's "very soon" lol. In all seriousness though when they posted that announcement for the WoW expansion MoP it was out in like a day or two I believe so perhaps the "very soon" language is what we should have been waiting for all along.
http://www.youtube.com/SCBattleGrounds
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
August 17 2012 04:28 GMT
#428
if it wasnt imminent theyd stick with the "soon" from anaheim
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
August 17 2012 06:54 GMT
#429
http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=65279

The newest changes of HOTS units. Need translate
Rkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 07:13:05
August 17 2012 07:12 GMT
#430
On August 17 2012 15:54 larse wrote:
http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=65279

The newest changes of HOTS units. Need translate


From what I understand, they don't like how the mothership core has been working out, and spider (widow) mines are being changed. I can't read much else though.
KnT
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia243 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 07:20:04
August 17 2012 07:19 GMT
#431
http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=ko&tl=en&u=http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=65279

Not geat but kinda understandable
I played a PvP last night, he had stalkers I had stalkers they both shot laser. I lasered harder and won.
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
August 17 2012 07:20 GMT
#432
I think he's saying that the WoL mothership is removed. Nothing about mothership core not working out.

Btw, it turns out Bing translate is better than Google translate.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
August 17 2012 07:23 GMT
#433
I think they mean that the mine is changed from AOE to single target but to compensate this, they bring up the damage of the mine.

Wow. I don't know they can make the mine even worse.
Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
August 17 2012 07:29 GMT
#434
On August 17 2012 16:23 larse wrote:
I think they mean that the mine is changed from AOE to single target but to compensate this, they bring up the damage of the mine.

Wow. I don't know they can make the mine even worse.

Worse?
Okay, so you get a mine on a target (anything) and they run (or blink) said stalker into you. Then it dies and detonates. GG your army.

Or, hell, 10 seconds to split ONE unit out of your army?

It snipes t3 units, QQ more.
Ktk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)753 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 07:31:55
August 17 2012 07:30 GMT
#435
terran unit change.
spider mine had a 10sec timer, they took this away and they changed the splash radius and damage gradient
mothership will still be slow i think you guys misinterpreted; the article says they originally wanted to remove it, but decided to keep it
beta test begun, current balance is still changing (duh)
beta is for 1v1 multiplayer only
you can take replays and play from them :0 to fix the issue of progaming matches lagging out; it'll be a good thing for casuals too so they can play where a progamer left off, and investigate how to approach strategy in the mid to lategame
edit; forgot to add, there will be global play but we all knew that already.

there will be units exclusive to single player
hots was delayed, but that's because the dev team wanted the game to be more fun, now they're balance tweaking with the beta and the game should be released soon(tm).
KnT
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia243 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 07:32:45
August 17 2012 07:31 GMT
#436
"Greater than eliminate this delay, the damages for a single unit to give greater damage has been changed." Google
"Get rid of the delay, the greater damage than a single unit can change for more damage." Bing

I get from this that they've removed the detonation timer and upped the damage to the host that it grabs onto while still keeping AOE damage as is

Though Ktk is probably a more reliable source
I played a PvP last night, he had stalkers I had stalkers they both shot laser. I lasered harder and won.
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
August 17 2012 07:35 GMT
#437
On August 17 2012 16:30 Ktk wrote:
terran unit change.
spider mine had a 10sec timer, they took this away and they changed the splash radius and damage gradient
mothership will still be slow i think you guys misinterpreted; the article says they originally wanted to remove it, but decided to keep it
beta test begun, current balance is still changing (duh)
beta is for 1v1 multiplayer only
you can take replays and play from them :0 to fix the issue of progaming matches lagging out; it'll be a good thing for casuals too so they can play where a progamer left off, and investigate how to approach strategy in the mid to lategame
edit; forgot to add, there will be global play but we all knew that already.

there will be units exclusive to single player
hots was delayed, but that's because the dev team wanted the game to be more fun, now they're balance tweaking with the beta and the game should be released soon(tm).


So they're keeping the mothership instead of mothership core? Wow that sucks.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
Ktk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)753 Posts
August 17 2012 07:35 GMT
#438
On August 17 2012 16:35 AndAgain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 16:30 Ktk wrote:
terran unit change.
spider mine had a 10sec timer, they took this away and they changed the splash radius and damage gradient
mothership will still be slow i think you guys misinterpreted; the article says they originally wanted to remove it, but decided to keep it
beta test begun, current balance is still changing (duh)
beta is for 1v1 multiplayer only
you can take replays and play from them :0 to fix the issue of progaming matches lagging out; it'll be a good thing for casuals too so they can play where a progamer left off, and investigate how to approach strategy in the mid to lategame
edit; forgot to add, there will be global play but we all knew that already.

there will be units exclusive to single player
hots was delayed, but that's because the dev team wanted the game to be more fun, now they're balance tweaking with the beta and the game should be released soon(tm).


So they're keeping the mothership instead of mothership core? Wow that sucks.


No, they're saying what we already know, the mothership core turns into the mothership; the mothership has not been removed from the game.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10382 Posts
August 17 2012 07:38 GMT
#439
On August 17 2012 16:30 Ktk wrote:
terran unit change.
spider mine had a 10sec timer, they took this away and they changed the splash radius and damage gradient
mothership will still be slow i think you guys misinterpreted; the article says they originally wanted to remove it, but decided to keep it
beta test begun, current balance is still changing (duh)
beta is for 1v1 multiplayer only
you can take replays and play from them :0 to fix the issue of progaming matches lagging out; it'll be a good thing for casuals too so they can play where a progamer left off, and investigate how to approach strategy in the mid to lategame
edit; forgot to add, there will be global play but we all knew that already.

there will be units exclusive to single player
hots was delayed, but that's because the dev team wanted the game to be more fun, now they're balance tweaking with the beta and the game should be released soon(tm).


Wow, awesome! Thanks!

Wait the widow mine no longer has a 10 second timer? So basically it's a buildable spider mine? I guess i'm indifferent about that, too bad they couldn't figure out a way for hellions to lay them down though (and perhaps not need the battle hellion at all).


ALSO, HOLY SHIT! Global play and THE REPLAY THINGY (ya dat thingy!) in hots beta? AWESOME! that will be so useful for practicing!
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
August 17 2012 07:41 GMT
#440
OK. Thanks for the translation KTK. I thought they mean that mothership core now can move slowly.
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