EPTIf he did actually killed that scv the other bunker would have been canceled as it was around 25%-30% completed.
[Spoilers] GSL Metropolis Neutral Depot Situation - Page 9
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kYem
United Kingdom412 Posts
If he did actually killed that scv the other bunker would have been canceled as it was around 25%-30% completed. | ||
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Slithe
United States985 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:55 havox_ wrote: If a map bug (about which you complain after the game) isnt "very wrong" - then what is? Still weird that not many ppl seem to have noticed this bug earlier, crazy^^ Games have been lost over pausing etiquette, even if the pause was warranted. I'm not surprised that Nestea did not pause because there was the chance that he was incorrect, in which case he might get handed an auto-loss. | ||
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Coolness53
United States668 Posts
Now he got stomped on in the next two games also. 3-0 didn't even win another game then we can discuss this issue. | ||
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Pazuzu
United States632 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:56 MaNaVoId wrote: Ridiculous that naniwa got harsh punishment for being unprofessional by probe rushing but when byun act unprofessionally by abusing a bug that he known had existed, he got away with it. Thats absurd. Byun took advantage of the map, and to great success. Nestea didn't, and suffered the consequences. Still that was only 1 game and in terms of that tilting him for the entire series....were talking about Nestea here. If every time he lost for a silly reason he went off tilt he wouldnt really have 3 gsls to his name... | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:55 havox_ wrote: If a map bug (about which you complain after the game) isnt "very wrong" - then what is? Still weird that not many ppl seem to have noticed this bug earlier, crazy^^ Well, considering the casters/john the translator/posters weren't even really sure if it was a bug and it happens so rarely. Nestea was probably really conflicted about pausing under that situation. Maybe he thought like many of us did "Oh shit, there is no neutral depot on Metropolis!!". I think it is likely he asked his coach to check once his game was over and that is the reason the protest was after game 2. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:58 Slithe wrote: Games have been lost over pausing etiquette, even if it was warranted. I'm not surprised that Nestea did not pause because there was the chance that he was incorrect, in which case he might get handed an auto-loss. gom has never handed an auto-lose for this, and has only given warning for pausing without consulting a admin i believe. i understand the concept because nestea was a bw player | ||
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Clefairy
1570 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:58 Slithe wrote: Games have been lost over pausing etiquette, even if the pause was warranted. I'm not surprised that Nestea did not pause because there was the chance that he was incorrect, in which case he might get handed an auto-loss. GOM doesn't do auto losses. KeSPA does though. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
On July 13 2012 00:01 Clefairy wrote: GOM doesn't do auto losses. KeSPA does though. Yeah, with that in mind, Nestea probably should have paused. Damn, that alternate timeline is so tempting  Maybe it has something to do with his BW days dealing with KeSPA :\ | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:56 MaNaVoId wrote: Ridiculous that naniwa got harsh punishment for being unprofessional by probe rushing but when byun act unprofessionally by abusing a bug that he known had existed, he got away with it. What kind of logic is that? o.0 | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:57 SeinGalton wrote: That's really unfortunate. Not sure how much it might have mattered - Nestea got completely outplayed in the other two games. Good on Byun - kid did his homework and played extremely well. As I've mentioned earlier in this thread; we should not underestimate the importance of that first game, Nestea has earlier said ( I believe it was during his "off the record" episode) that he's having trouble concentrating on the game in the GSL booths with all the lights blinking and whatnot and that he's uncomfortable. If one's already having trouble focusing and feeling calm, and he's been putting a lot of effort into something, and we all know how much Nestea prepares for matchups, something completely unexpected like this happens can easily throw him off his game. the more I think about it the more Im sure that this is the reason why he made so many mistakes in the following matches and didnt look at all like himself. With that said, yes Byun played very well but dont underestimate the mental part of the game | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:59 Pazuzu wrote: Thats absurd. Byun took advantage of the map, and to great success. Nestea didn't, and suffered the consequences. Still that was only 1 game and in terms of that tilting him for the entire series....were talking about Nestea here. If every time he lost for a silly reason he went off tilt he wouldnt really have 3 gsls to his name... Look, no one knows what would have happened in G1. Let's assume Nestea wins and their 'mentalities' don't get any affect and Nestea and Byun played exactly that same and Byun wins G2 and G3. Nestea could still win in G4/G5. Because we HAVE seen players derp for 2 games and then make a comeback. And maybe Byun picks a different strategy if the depot was there and wins G1 anyways and still 3-0's Nestea. The point is, there is NO WAY anyone can say with 100% certainty that Byun would have won the series. Probably? Judging from the play, sure. But it was likely that Seed was going to lose vs Symbol when he went down 0-2 yesterday as well. | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:56 MaNaVoId wrote: Ridiculous that naniwa got harsh punishment for being unprofessional by probe rushing but when byun act unprofessionally by abusing a bug that he known had existed, he got away with it. Bahahaha, because those situations are so very similar. Get out of here please... | ||
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Crisco
1170 Posts
On July 13 2012 00:07 vthree wrote: Look, no one knows what would have happened in G1. Let's assume Nestea wins and their 'mentalities' don't get any affect and Nestea and Byun played exactly that same and Byun wins G2 and G3. Nestea could still win in G4/G5. Because we HAVE seen players derp for 2 games and then make a comeback. And maybe Byun picks a different strategy if the depot was there and wins G1 anyways and still 3-0's Nestea. The point is, there is NO WAY anyone can say with 100% certainty that Byun would have won the series. Probably? Judging from the play, sure. But it was likely that Seed was going to lose vs Symbol when he went down 0-2 yesterday as well. The games for Seed & Symbol were much, much, much closer than Nestea vs Byun. The argument for a comeback from 0-2 is much more likely because each game was neck & neck. Nestea vs Byun, was not neck & neck. It was horribly one sided. | ||
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Pazuzu
United States632 Posts
On July 13 2012 00:07 vthree wrote: Look, no one knows what would have happened in G1. Let's assume Nestea wins and their 'mentalities' don't get any affect and Nestea and Byun played exactly that same and Byun wins G2 and G3. Nestea could still win in G4/G5. Because we HAVE seen players derp for 2 games and then make a comeback. And maybe Byun picks a different strategy if the depot was there and wins G1 anyways and still 3-0's Nestea. The point is, there is NO WAY anyone can say with 100% certainty that Byun would have won the series. Probably? Judging from the play, sure. But it was likely that Seed was going to lose vs Symbol when he went down 0-2 yesterday as well. i agree completely with that (since thats logic haha). im just saying that in response to everyone saying the only reason nestea lost was cause of that; you cant conclude anything other than that Byun noticed the map and took advantage of it | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:59 Pazuzu wrote: Thats absurd. Byun took advantage of the map, and to great success. Nestea didn't, and suffered the consequences. Still that was only 1 game and in terms of that tilting him for the entire series....were talking about Nestea here. If every time he lost for a silly reason he went off tilt he wouldnt really have 3 gsls to his name... Wait what? How can Nestea take advantage of the map, only terrans and protoss can abuse the no neutral supply depot. Losing to a 2 rax like that when you don't even expect the map to be changed in a way that affects your play can be a huge mental loss even if it's nestea. also idra's thoughts on byuns bunker rushing because of the bug:https://twitter.com/idrajit/status/223429410198519808 "cant believe byun bunker blocked on metropolis because of a map bug. what a joke of a player." | ||
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PradamadeR
123 Posts
he really have watched it and if he did not notice its kind a his own fault | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On July 13 2012 00:10 NovemberstOrm wrote: Wait what? How can Nestea take advantage of the map, only terrans and protoss can abuse the no neutral supply depot. also idra's thoughts on byuns bunker rushing because of the bug:https://twitter.com/idrajit/status/223429410198519808 "cant believe byun bunker blocked on metropolis because of a map bug. what a joke of a player." ClouD's response makes it even better lol | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
look at it in his pov: he watches this gsl/gstl season, has numeous vods of this map, no depot. he assumes its standard since 4-5 games and no change and no out-roar he does a legit strat and wins Byun didn't abuse a map bug. He thought this map didn't have depots. Some people will say 'dont be retarded all maps need them', but then i can just reply 'why was nestea retarded as well then and not pause' byun isn't the bad guy edit: what is clouds reponse | ||
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