EPT[Spoilers] GSL Metropolis Neutral Depot Situation - Page 10
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On July 13 2012 00:07 vthree wrote: Look, no one knows what would have happened in G1. Let's assume Nestea wins and their 'mentalities' don't get any affect and Nestea and Byun played exactly that same and Byun wins G2 and G3. Nestea could still win in G4/G5. Because we HAVE seen players derp for 2 games and then make a comeback. And maybe Byun picks a different strategy if the depot was there and wins G1 anyways and still 3-0's Nestea. The point is, there is NO WAY anyone can say with 100% certainty that Byun would have won the series. Probably? Judging from the play, sure. But it was likely that Seed was going to lose vs Symbol when he went down 0-2 yesterday as well. This post says everything that needs to be said. Anyone certain that Byun would have 100% won the series is objectively wrong. The point is, again, that we just don't know what would have happened, and that's why this is such an unfortunate incident. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On July 13 2012 00:14 ohampatu wrote: people keep acting like byun knew it was a bug look at it in his pov: he watches this gsl/gstl season, has numeous vods of this map, no depot. he assumes its standard since 4-5 games and no change and no out-roar he does a legit strat and wins Byun didn't abuse a map bug. He thought this map didn't have depots. Some people will say 'dont be retarded all maps need them', but then i can just reply 'why was nestea retarded as well then and not pause' byun isn't the bad guy edit: what is clouds reponse "queens with 5 ground range are also a bug" | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On July 13 2012 00:16 HolyArrow wrote: "queens with 5 ground range are also a bug" i chuckled a bit  | ||
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Pazuzu
United States632 Posts
an excellent response indeed haha | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On July 13 2012 00:14 ohampatu wrote: people keep acting like byun knew it was a bug look at it in his pov: he watches this gsl/gstl season, has numeous vods of this map, no depot. he assumes its standard since 4-5 games and no change and no out-roar he does a legit strat and wins Byun didn't abuse a map bug. He thought this map didn't have depots. Some people will say 'dont be retarded all maps need them', but then i can just reply 'why was nestea retarded as well then and not pause' byun isn't the bad guy edit: what is clouds reponse Dude he's played the map with the neutral depots he even said he saw that the neutral supply depots were gone and decided to use that strategy, it's not standard at all every single map in the GSL map pool has a neutral supply depot, it's a bug if GOMTV never release a statement saying the map/s were changed, there was no official statement so it's clearly a map bug. clouds response was: "queens with 5 ground range are also a bug" | ||
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MaNaVoId
492 Posts
On July 13 2012 00:09 Fragile51 wrote: Bahahaha, because those situations are so very similar. Get out of here please... lol do you understand anything about professionalism at all? If this is a Kespa game , byun would have been disqualified because he abused a bug on the map that he knew. | ||
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Crisco
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Waxangel
United States33638 Posts
On July 13 2012 00:19 MaNaVoId wrote: lol do you understand anything about professionalism at all? If this is a Kespa game , byun would have been disqualified because he abused a bug on the map that he knew. hahahahahahahahhahhahhahaha, no chance | ||
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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
On July 13 2012 00:14 ohampatu wrote: people keep acting like byun knew it was a bug look at it in his pov: he watches this gsl/gstl season, has numeous vods of this map, no depot. he assumes its standard since 4-5 games and no change and no out-roar he does a legit strat and wins Byun didn't abuse a map bug. He thought this map didn't have depots. Some people will say 'dont be retarded all maps need them', but then i can just reply 'why was nestea retarded as well then and not pause' byun isn't the bad guy edit: what is clouds reponse This. Really surprised no one noticed the past few weeks. | ||
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Pazuzu
United States632 Posts
On July 13 2012 00:19 MaNaVoId wrote: lol do you understand anything about professionalism at all? If this is a Kespa game , byun would have been disqualified because he abused a bug on the map that he knew. as a player trying to win, if he sees an advantage, he will take it. Its not a matter 'this might be a bug so im not going to do it in case', hes going to do whatever he can to win | ||
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Orek
1665 Posts
On July 13 2012 00:16 HolyArrow wrote: "queens with 5 ground range are also a bug" Entire Zerg race is. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On July 13 2012 00:19 MaNaVoId wrote: lol do you understand anything about professionalism at all? If this is a Kespa game , byun would have been disqualified because he abused a bug on the map that he knew. Aside from the fact that this is obviously not true, I'm pretty sure nobody was in favour of KeSPA's draconian punishments, even in the case where punishment is warranted. By the way, the absence of a supply depot isn't a bug, and it's certainly not a bug exploit, because nothing Byun did could cause the supply depot to be circumvented. It's just that the map editor screwed up a little bit and forgot to recheck his map. Byun took advantage of it because it's a feature of the map, which exists in vanilla Sc2, and has nothing to do with a loophole in programming in the game itself. | ||
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spbelky
United States623 Posts
Zerg is bug. Now I get it. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On July 13 2012 00:23 Shiori wrote: Aside from the fact that this is obviously not true, I'm pretty sure nobody was in favour of KeSPA's draconian punishments, even in the case where punishment is warranted. By the way, the absence of a supply depot isn't a bug, and it's certainly not a bug exploit, because nothing Byun did could cause the supply depot to be circumvented. It's just that the map editor screwed up a little bit and forgot to recheck his map. Byun took advantage of it because it's a feature of the map, which exists in vanilla Sc2, and has nothing to do with a loophole in programming in the game itself. That's just nitpicking about semantics >_> I'm sure when people use the word "bug" they realize it's not technically a bug, but it's a convenient word to use, easier to type than "unintended map feature". Though I guess the word does carry a more negative connotation... | ||
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SeinGalton
South Africa387 Posts
On July 13 2012 00:07 NEEDZMOAR wrote: As I've mentioned earlier in this thread; we should not underestimate the importance of that first game, Nestea has earlier said ( I believe it was during his "off the record" episode) that he's having trouble concentrating on the game in the GSL booths with all the lights blinking and whatnot and that he's uncomfortable. If one's already having trouble focusing and feeling calm, and he's been putting a lot of effort into something, and we all know how much Nestea prepares for matchups, something completely unexpected like this happens can easily throw him off his game. the more I think about it the more Im sure that this is the reason why he made so many mistakes in the following matches and didnt look at all like himself. With that said, yes Byun played very well but dont underestimate the mental part of the game Absolutely correct, and it's far more significant on a cerebral player like Nestea. I just hope people don't reduce Nestea's defeat to a bug because I thought Byun played incredible Starcraft today above and beyond Nestea's sloppiness. Byun definitely deserves credit for the way he played and the exploitation doesn't really detract from his victory in my eyes. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On July 13 2012 00:27 HolyArrow wrote: That's just nitpicking about semantics >_> I'm sure when people use the word "bug" they realize it's not technically a bug, but it's a convenient word to use, easier to type than "unintended map feature". Though I guess the word does carry a more negative connotation... Map features are not something that players can cause to occur, though. Further, Gom has within its power the ability to change map features. The reason why bugs are a problem is because only Blizzard can actually fix them, which means that Gom needs to rely on player honour to not use them until the patch is released. In the case of maps, anything which is in the map is fair game, unless it's some sort of programming loophole which gives one player an unfair advantage. The absence of a supply depot (which is purely elective and still doesn't feature on ladder maps) is not something that Byun caused to occur and has nothing to do with an action he took viz a vis the coding of the game, ergo it's not a bug and it's not his fault. | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On July 13 2012 00:19 MaNaVoId wrote: lol do you understand anything about professionalism at all? If this is a Kespa game , byun would have been disqualified because he abused a bug on the map that he knew. Jezus man, stop embarassing yourself. This argument of yours isn't going anywhere. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
the bunker block is something that has been actively prevented on every map for the last year of competition. it is something that the community has collectively decided is unfair and the maps for every legitimate tournament have blocked it since, including every other version of metropolis. for him to see that and plan on using it is utterly fucked up. its the same thing as pushing a guy down and kicking him in the balls because you realize the ref isnt looking. the only reason ramp blocking isnt explicitly banned in rules is because the community would get stupid about "banning a strategy" and its easily dealt with with map editting. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6660 Posts
On July 13 2012 00:19 MaNaVoId wrote: lol do you understand anything about professionalism at all? If this is a Kespa game , byun would have been disqualified because he abused a bug on the map that he knew. xD No... Just No... Please don't spout random bullshit and claim it as fact. Especially when its clear you have no clue wtf you are talking about. | ||
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